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Re: 'it's natural!' [Re: quinn]
    #25050717 - 03/09/18 12:56 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Natural is an element in itself.. sometimes the feeling of wrong seems unnatural..


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Re: 'it's natural!' [Re: quinn]
    #25050811 - 03/09/18 02:25 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

- GM foods aren't all bad.
- Not all chemicals are natural, some synthetic ones are bad, some organic ones are too.
- Who the F would say social media is natural?
- I'm a green collar worker so sure.
- Lions fuck each other and some male apes suck each other off so it certainly happens in nature, (in the wild with or without humans)
- Abortion is complicated and emotionally weighty, the decision to do so is usually because someone who isn't mentally or financially able to raise a child would fuck up their childs life and consequently their own. To not abort in some cases is to put a child up for adoption or commit them to foster homes.

Guns aren't natural tho, point, click, boom, dead; GG evolution and survival of the fittest.

Maybe you'd be interested in the terms organic and man made :shrug:


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Re: 'it's natural!' [Re: sudly]
    #25050944 - 03/09/18 04:44 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

I like the artificial environment you built less
like jordan peterson's "I am a horrible person"

so unless god is not a horripble person maybe it makes sense to hope there is no god

but the christian's also believe god is not a horrible entity I think
there is no confinement with him, so we don't like his creation less than if it wasn't created by anyone

in a way everything is nature to me


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Re: 'it's natural!' [Re: Ferdinando]
    #25050961 - 03/09/18 04:57 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

What the flup?


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Re: 'it's natural!' [Re: sudly]
    #25050983 - 03/09/18 05:21 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

i wasnt arguing for or against any of those things listed, the point of them was to illustrate that when ppl say 'X is/isnt natural' generally there are further beliefs/assumptions nestled within


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Re: 'it's natural!' [Re: quinn]
    #25050991 - 03/09/18 05:29 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Dont join the army, the military industrial corporation/complex makes money off wars and soldiers are pawns in the money making machine that war has become.


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Re: 'it's natural!' [Re: sudly]
    #25050994 - 03/09/18 05:31 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

how is that relevant?


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Re: 'it's natural!' [Re: quinn]
    #25050997 - 03/09/18 05:38 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Saying something is natural means it's real and not some hokey pokey metaphysical bull catoowey.


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Re: 'it's natural!' [Re: sudly] * 1
    #25051069 - 03/09/18 06:51 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

I repeat,
people here do not seem equipped to use the term "natural" consistently or intelligently.

But observing nature remains the best way to gain perspective, especially the of observing one's own nature, which is constantly changing. (note perspective is a reasonable point of view, not a comprehensive handle on everything)

Each confident usage of the term in the various comments of this thread seems charged with the member's politics, programming, and by the propaganda they struggle through.- in short, their own nature.


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Re: 'it's natural!' [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #25051080 - 03/09/18 07:01 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Saying it's natural to fuck on the first date is pretty shifty IMO, though saying something in the environment is natural seems self explanatory. Seems pretty fitting to say that's a natural waterfall, and that that is a man made biobasin that's over flowing.


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Re: 'it's natural!' *DELETED* [Re: sudly]
    #25051115 - 03/09/18 07:37 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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Re: 'it's natural!' [Re: Ferdinando]
    #25051137 - 03/09/18 07:50 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Yass, you would feel the surge, the beat, the tension of your angles.

Gimme ya money :cactuarrun:


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Re: 'it's natural!' [Re: quinn]
    #25051218 - 03/09/18 08:49 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Nature has an order to it, things are in a certain balance or they can't exist. But something created in a lab by men can easily ignore this balance.

This is why natural drugs are in general safer than man made. It doesn't mean every natural drug is safer than every synthetic drug in every instance, but you will definitely notice a major trend if you look at drug overdose deaths for example. It's the synthetic drugs topping the charts.

That's one way in which I think the word natural can be used. If you're talking about a natural plant you know it is part of an ancient order.


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Re: 'it's natural!' [Re: Peyote Road]
    #25051311 - 03/09/18 10:02 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

thinking that way, is full of prejudice, ignorance, and tricks.
the lab and modern man are not fundamentally inimical to nature or life, and ancient concepts were more geared to plunder, anti-intellectualism, and enslavement, and these traditions color the ancient healing arts as well (they also remain foundational to big pharma - so keep your own counsel on that).

you can find enlightenment and salvation in nature, but not through prejudice, generalization or anti-intellectual luddism.


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Re: 'it's natural!' [Re: redgreenvines]
    #25051565 - 03/09/18 12:00 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

I just use this term (imagination of 'without-humans') at any time and place to imagine how would it be, if man had no 'influence' on what I look at (consider), or how would it go on, if at some places, suddenly humans wouldn't influence the environment anymore.
I just now come to the realization that very few people consider 'natural' that way. :shrug:


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Re: 'it's natural!' [Re: quinn]
    #25051907 - 03/09/18 02:54 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

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Re: 'it's natural!' [Re: redgreenvines]
    #25051923 - 03/09/18 03:03 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

i agree nature is complex,

yet the distinction between man made and organic remain.


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Re: 'it's natural!' [Re: Green7Alchemist]
    #25051933 - 03/09/18 03:10 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

dude what do you mean who cares? this is your thread, you made this :lol:

im not calling evolution unnatural. if one isolated rat(general) changes his eating pattern.. then it is unnatural (and this is the correct wording), that is not evolution, maybe mutation, most likely the rat is sick and will die shortly, im no vet but i can look at it and say its unnatural for certain.

i know the difference, if you would read my posts in their entirety, as i said with high quantities of aluminum in the body that its unnatural even tho the element is found in nature in its natural state for it to reside in your body in high quantities is unnatural, obviously for the effects, this is a given its unnatural, whenever a foreign entity enters a new environment there is always going to be some kind of side effect, in this particular case a negative one.

in the sentence natural and humane are not synonymous, chickens (or any animal) are not meant to be treated like that? its not about how safely and painless you torture them its still torture for a chicken to trapped in a cage for its whole existence, it is abnormal to do that.

my cat is a feral cat, he's huge, i like to keep him indoors because he's just so pretty and i like cuddling with him, also he's crazy, every now and then i can tell he gets into a funk and i let him go outside because its not natural for him to be inside my house 24/7 365, some people do it, ok fine by me, i think its the better decision to keep your cats indoors, they are just too curious and get themselves into trouble, but i if you ask me  my opinion, what i do, its only natural to let your cat roam around a little.

i think to create an artificial environment for him wouldnt serve justice, thats like if you lived your life thru VR.


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Re: 'it's natural!' [Re: Green7Alchemist]
    #25052569 - 03/09/18 07:22 PM (3 months, 13 days ago)

Quote:

Green7Alchemist said:
i agree nature is complex,

yet the distinction between man made and organic remain.



imaginary


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Re: 'it's natural!' [Re: Green7Alchemist]
    #25053582 - 03/10/18 04:14 AM (3 months, 13 days ago)

your seem insistent on missing the point :ohwell:


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