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Getting started
    #25047828 - 03/08/18 02:47 AM (6 years, 23 days ago)

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Picked up some goodies, guess it's time to get started! I have n clue what I'm doing, so I'll be learning on the fly. Got 7 of those jars. Got them from a former member here, syzergysticsoul, thanks bro!
Any good sources to check on YouTube beginner friendly?? I know I have a difficult one with the PC cambodginiesis

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco] * 1
    #25047830 - 03/08/18 02:50 AM (6 years, 23 days ago)

if that grain jar is inoculated take it out of the bag. You are blocking gas exchange.

Also. Build an SAB, and get into agar.


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Re: Getting started [Re: Ziran]
    #25047835 - 03/08/18 02:59 AM (6 years, 23 days ago)

I haven't done anything with it yet

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25047888 - 03/08/18 05:21 AM (6 years, 23 days ago)

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I haven't done anything with it yet




Then you should inoculate with 1cc of solution from the syringe in a SAB (still air box) at the very least. Even then, your chances of success aren't necessarily high.

Going from spores to agar (medium in a petri dish to expand mycelium growth) is the safest route as you are able to see if there is any contamination. Also, it will cut down on your time for the mycelium to take over the jar this way.

I would do some heavy reading. If you are not concerned with having total success, then inoculate as mentioned above. If you absolutely must have success, I would suggest researching as much as possible and investing to get into this hobby. For a very minimal investment, you can have an assembly line of shrooms popping up, ready to harvest on a weekly basis. And more than that, you will have acquired a new skill which you can take with you wherever you are.

Most of the stuff you need for this hobby you can literally buy at Walmart and/or local nursery/farm/pet supply store, etc.

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25327015 - 07/15/18 03:55 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

I am growing syzygy, Cambodian rust and an unlabeled p cubensis, the jars got kinda mixed up so idk what's what now. I have one more jar I put syzygy into so when that grows at least I'll know what is syzygy.

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25347150 - 07/25/18 10:24 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)



I had one jar which was incredibly full and ready to go. I broke the mycelium into some cow poo. I got a 2O-3O gallon tub and filled it with an inch or two of the poo and then a layer of mycelium and then more poo. I covered it with a trash bag. The pic is a small tub I got, same concept, and this one I'm going to fruit in a few days, to get an idea for the shrooms and the big tub after a couple of weeks.  I still have two jars getting more finished albeit slowly. The new jar I innocullated a week ago is showing life as well!

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25347166 - 07/25/18 10:33 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Your sub looks really dry or its a bad camera angle.

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Re: Getting started [Re: kanemush]
    #25347204 - 07/25/18 11:09 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Its supposed to be more moist? I just used it right out of the bag.i can mist it or something

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25347214 - 07/25/18 11:19 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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Its supposed to be more moist? I just used it right out of the bag.i can mist it or something




I am not sure I don't use poo let someone else chime in. most substrate is suppose to be filled with enough water to reach field capacity.

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25347224 - 07/25/18 11:24 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Was it completely dry? Like dusty? Then that is no bueno.

You need to have it just wet enough so that when you squeeze it just a few drops of water come out, which is field capacity like kanemush said.

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Re: Getting started [Re: JimAndGiantShrooms]
    #25347491 - 07/26/18 06:28 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

So what should I do mist it with water or soak it? I would think misting would get it more evenly wet instead of just pouring water in it

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25350333 - 07/27/18 12:31 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Mist it for sure, it might be too late though.

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Re: Getting started [Re: JimAndGiantShrooms]
    #25351408 - 07/27/18 10:53 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

It's still pretty moist. Gonna mist it and keep it just a little more moist. Should be good tho. Will update in a week or so

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25351455 - 07/27/18 11:25 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, I gotcha. I thought it was totally dry. Sounds like you're in a good spot :goodluck:

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25351557 - 07/28/18 01:10 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Substrates need to stay moist at all times. Do not let them dry out! That is bad!

Look into making tubs with coir or smaller tubes like shoeboxes.

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Re: Getting started [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #25355094 - 07/30/18 03:14 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)



Update.
Misted and shit. Hope I'm still doing it right. The smaller white tub has a thicker layer of poo on top so nothing has grown through it yet

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco] * 1
    #25384229 - 08/12/18 06:28 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)


Update.  Growing strong now. lots of mycelium, and it is growing and spreading. I might fruit it in the next week or so

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25384242 - 08/12/18 06:35 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldn't be lifting the lid for pics. Looking good though!


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Re: Getting started [Re: Wing]
    #25384305 - 08/12/18 07:06 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting. Why not? Contamination? It's my first time so I'm just winging it. How else would I mist it? I mist like once a day or every other day

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25384322 - 08/12/18 07:12 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

While colonizing you want lots of CO2. You shouldn't open it up until you are ready to fruit. You shouldn't be misting until you are ready to fruit. Each time you open it up and the substrate isn't fully colonized you are taking a chance that something in your air may land on the nutritious substrate and start growing.


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Re: Getting started [Re: Wing]
    #25384352 - 08/12/18 07:20 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

So what I should have done,just. Looking to improve for next time, is to get a lid for the tub, and treat the tub like my jars (forget about them for a while so they colonize)? The mycelium is growing strong I don't see anything that looks abnormal, I am not too sure of what I am looking for. To be honest, but what I am seeing is that everything looks the same, instead of like this bit looks different. I've seen how mold grows, I don't see anything that looks moldy. But I should then... Get an airtight lid? How do I keep it from drying out?  These pics are almost a week old too. I think it will be Fuller when I see it tonight. I might fruit it sooner then just to free space and to see more of what I am doing. I've grown a lot of plants. Never fungi

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25384391 - 08/12/18 07:39 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

You don't need an airtight lid (you want GE) but opening it fully is just asking for trouble. Treat it like anything that is colonizing; closed, patience, minimal handling.


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Re: Getting started [Re: Wing] * 1
    #25384455 - 08/12/18 08:19 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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While colonizing you want lots of CO2. You shouldn't open it up until you are ready to fruit. You shouldn't be misting until you are ready to fruit. Each time you open it up and the substrate isn't fully colonized you are taking a chance that something in your air may land on the nutritious substrate and start growing.



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Re: Getting started [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25384460 - 08/12/18 08:24 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Surface moisture wont be present until after the surface is colonized enough to be semi-impermeable enough to hold condensation, up to this point the sub will just soak it back up


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Re: Getting started [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25384830 - 08/13/18 02:20 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

With the way this grow has been going, opening the lid is the least of OPs worries.

It's not looking terrible so kudos to that. :thumbup:

But, yeah dude, you totally want to hydrate and pasteurize the poo first.

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Re: Getting started [Re: LotKid] * 1
    #25388582 - 08/14/18 07:03 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)



New pics. It's decided to start fruiting in the dark which is not ok I think. I wanted to wait a week or so more. I've now got a light on it for a little bit. I'm thinking of getting it outside so it can get sunlight or putting a lid on it and keeping a small desk lamp or something on it.

I have several small patches of like 1O-15 mushrooms each. I lost count at around 5O little ones. There's a couple of big ones already an inch or so tall. Gonna get a couple more tubs and get some other things going some of you guys have given me some good teks to look at and a way to make my second grow better.

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25388735 - 08/14/18 08:08 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

These guys need air, they're stretching and have fuzzy feet! Why not clear tubs?


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Re: Getting started [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25388758 - 08/14/18 08:16 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I was just using what I had. the stuff was a few years old already so I just wanted to get something going if I could

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25388778 - 08/14/18 08:25 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup: turn the lid over and keep an eye on surface moisture, did you case after a colonization period? I  (and others)have been seeing faster and better results spawning straight to fruiting conditions with no colonization period...


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Re: Getting started [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25388938 - 08/14/18 09:41 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I keep a trash bag over the top of the tub. I took it off today cause I saw the little shrooms so I can put an light on it. I'm thinking of either cutting holes in the sides and stuffing them with cotton like I'm seeing in other pics and putting a tighter fitting clear lid on it, or putting it outside.

There is going to be some people coming over to the house in a couple of days, after that I will be able to get a nicer set up for it.

My other jars seem to have stalled out completely. What should I do?

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25389547 - 08/15/18 07:25 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

That's outdated misinformation... try introducing fruiting conditions at spawn, and I bet (like myself and many others lately) you'll find faster and better results than with colonization periods and monotub configuration...

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Re: Getting started [Re: Caps McGee] * 1
    #25389785 - 08/15/18 09:47 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Check your pms  mike


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Re: Getting started [Re: filthyknees]
    #25390353 - 08/15/18 02:38 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I did bro I'll be using that information for my next round. This is just to get my feet wet kinda

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25392250 - 08/16/18 12:11 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)



Left it more open, got some much fatter stems and it's only been a day.
There is some weird looking color in the mycelium, not sure what it is. Its not getting larger or changing at all, so I'm confused. There was some green mold on it looking stuff my friend and I were looking at ways to deal with it, and he said to use salt. That green spot hasn't gotten larger or anything since last night. I see a few new shrooms

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25392427 - 08/16/18 01:17 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

A clear tub will do you some good ... it'll probably finish first flush, but wouldn't be hopeful for a second flush


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Re: Getting started [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25393116 - 08/16/18 06:38 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Fuck it! Salt dat bitch!

Mix up salt with a lil water to make a paste and put it on anything that looks extra fucked... like green


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    #25393202 - 08/16/18 07:12 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Getting started [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25393231 - 08/16/18 07:19 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I mean... da fuck else can anyone do at dis point?


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Re: Getting started [Re: LotKid]
    #25393382 - 08/16/18 08:36 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Salt paste has got me through a flush... and got a few outdoor from that sub too


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    #25393521 - 08/16/18 10:10 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Getting started [Re: LotKid]
    #25395187 - 08/17/18 08:01 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

How tall do these get? Some look like they might be done but I can't see if they have a veil or if it's broken

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25395189 - 08/17/18 08:03 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Just wait until the caps start to flatten out. That way there's no guesswork. When most are getting flat... pull 'em all!!!

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25395227 - 08/17/18 08:19 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

The one looks done there is another like it but only the couple I was thinking of taking them and drying them or will they get bigger

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25395242 - 08/17/18 08:30 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

It may get slightly larger... but that's done! You grew to harvest!
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Re: Getting started [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25395247 - 08/17/18 08:31 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Getting started [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25395249 - 08/17/18 08:32 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Neat! I'm going to let the rest grow and then just take this stuff outside and break it up. I'm going to start a new grow as soon as I can get to the store. I have like six bags of cow manure

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25396241 - 08/18/18 12:12 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

So far I've gotten around 2 little shrooms and a dozen aborts. These things are blue as fuck! How much of the aborts should I dose? I know that they are a little more potent, should I consider them to be about the equivalent of the regular shrooms? If so I have enough to dose if not I will wait

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25396326 - 08/18/18 12:54 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

By weight, or fruit count? How much do you usually consume?


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Re: Getting started [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25396353 - 08/18/18 01:00 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Take the dry weight you would like to eat and move the decimal point one place to the right. That's how many grams of fresh to eat. :thumbup:


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Re: Getting started [Re: LotKid]
    #25396356 - 08/18/18 01:02 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I think he's asking aborts vs typical fruit... I wouldn't treat them any differently, and just trip a little harder lol


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Re: Getting started [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25396367 - 08/18/18 01:06 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I know. I don't think it makes THAT much a diff. I still dose cubes the same way regarless of variety, mature or abort so... I figured the simple math for dry->fresh conversion would be most useful to him. :shrug:

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    #25396389 - 08/18/18 01:12 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I just eat mushrooms... lots and lots of them... psychedelic and otherwise... speaking of, cloned Portobello, oyster, and cremini a few days ago... cultures are growing well, but need to make transfers, and get the oyster away from the bacteria ride along... weird thing is, the oyster was the only one in a package, and the only one with contamination... the other 2 were loose fruit, not even in a bag or tray, and clean  as whistles
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Re: Getting started [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25400947 - 08/20/18 03:36 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I'm about to dose!! Dried to almost dry, 3.9 grams and one little fresh shroom. It stopped losing weight this morning, I have had a fan on them for two days, at 6 am it weighed 4.1 g now at 4 it's less than .2 lighter

It's in lemon and cranberry juice. I'm so freaking excited! Thanks for helping me out with this grow guys, and for watching. I got new supplies ordered and a better set up.

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25400991 - 08/20/18 04:07 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25402215 - 08/21/18 04:51 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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I got new supplies ordered and a better set up.



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    #25402373 - 08/21/18 07:40 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Getting started [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25402745 - 08/21/18 11:29 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

That's a good buy I'll get that my next purchase, money is tight but these things take just a little time anyway

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25402824 - 08/21/18 12:15 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I put my spent substrate outside, instead couple days the green spot has kinda shrunk and the mycelium is growing again. It rained the last two days two. I took a print of every shroom I got, and then mixed the spores in the stuff outside. It's in a little spot by the house so it gets partial sun all day.

Gonna get a new clear tub soon as my friend gets paid, we are basically splitting the cost of the supplies and dividing the final product.

My trip was a blast. Was probably 1-4 my normal dose, but I got visuals, spore prints in my vision, and they were familiar with me. It was so awesome. Like they knew that it was me who grew them. They just knew what my energy was like, almost as if they were aware of me helping them grow.

My roommates came home while I was starting to peak and I felt really awkward. Usually I dose 14-28 or so g. I will dose and then lie down and ignore everyone. I made sure to let them know I was tripping, then we started to watch criminal intent, and my mind picked it apart till I understood what was going to happen before it did. Really awesome and really positive. I woke up today bodily tired but mentally awake as fuck

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    #25402834 - 08/21/18 12:20 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I also like high doses, and it's definitely a more intimate experience when you grow them... you'll build a relationship with them with multiple doses, carrying you and your understanding further each time... exciting stuff!


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Re: Getting started [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25403369 - 08/21/18 04:37 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

My new rye jars got confirmed sent out today, I have mycelium growing inside in my new cleaner tub, and outside in the spot I dumped the old substrate. I'm even more excited this time cause all of the help I got, I feel smarter already

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    #25403407 - 08/21/18 04:51 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

But you ARE! You've got the knowledge of thousands at your fingertips


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Re: Getting started [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25405261 - 08/22/18 12:59 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Ordered four jars two days ago and I just got them. fast.....

It's corn. I thought I was ordering rye. Should still work right? I got four jars labeled. One of them is the last of my syzygy so I really hope it grows better so I can get a print.

My friend is going to get a couple of tubs here soon, we got a month or so before we really need them, so it's nice to get the list ready of improvements.

There is explosive growth in the tub I have now, it literally looked like there was nothing in it. I had washed everything, cleaned the manure and filled it but it rained and I had the tub outside and it had an inch or so of standing rain water when I saw it,I dumped it all out and it seemed the water washed away the mycelium. Here it is two days later and it is looking great.

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25405540 - 08/22/18 03:09 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Corn will colonize,though I remember reading that it sucked as spawn bc it dries faster, might consider sterilizing some oats or WBS and using the corn for G2G masters... though I've never used corn, so entirely anecdotal on my account...

You can always clone a fruit if you don't trust prints... if you believe it environmental on your part, could preserve the genes and be able to practice on the specific needs of a more narrow genetic sequencing... the entire substrate is colonized, but heavy drops can seemingly "wash off" surface mycelium... typically with no issues


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Re: Getting started [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25414672 - 08/26/18 01:41 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Got a couple of small spots of mold again... The mycelium was growing strong then I saw a little mold just now... I got some mycelium growing outside tho. Sucks cause it's the last of the syzygy

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25414778 - 08/26/18 02:40 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Oh no! is this on the corn?


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    #25414800 - 08/26/18 02:50 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

No it's on the tub. Sucks cause it was growing strong as fuck.

I put it outside and gave it some salt. The stuff I have outside is kinda growing the mold turned colors and is darker it looks like it's dying cause it's not growing that I can see. 

The corn still looks like corn and one or my jars spoiled

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    #25414823 - 08/26/18 02:59 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Man! Time to practice some sterile technique!


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Re: Getting started [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25414837 - 08/26/18 03:09 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I just gotta get an actual tub I think that will help a lot

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25414854 - 08/26/18 03:16 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

What are you using? And chances are, it's still from  your spawn...


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Re: Getting started [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25415255 - 08/26/18 06:30 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I cleaned the tub with Lysol and this was from a new jar. The house has some mold in it and there was some moldy fruit when I had the tub the first time. I'm going to get a tub with an actual lid so I'm not using Saran wrap. this time I really haven't messed with it at sll

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25416318 - 08/27/18 08:03 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Gave it a little salt and hydrogen peroxide. Should slow mold growth.

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    #25417119 - 08/27/18 03:41 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I sprayed it with the  hydrogen peroxide and it seems that killed or skowed the mold and there's a lot of new mycelium

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    #25417281 - 08/27/18 05:00 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Getting started [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25418729 - 08/28/18 08:40 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Got five or six outdoor mushrooms! Rained the last few days, went to check this morning... One mature one and several new healthy looking new ones. Indoor is growing well the treatment I did killed the mold. Wicked awesome.

Payday is tomorrow, let's see what goodies I can get!

Some dude came to the house the other day, friend of my roommates. He gave me some l so I gave him the print I was saving!

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Re: Getting started [Re: Mike4aco]
    #25419998 - 08/28/18 07:00 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)



A couple of outdoor guys. It's been raining and they just came from nowhere!

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Re: Getting started [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25427384 - 08/31/18 10:11 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

This mother fucker finally got a pressure cooker!! Got paid today, my final check from my last job,got a cooker, 4O# wbs and a clear tote... With a lid


Harvested from my outdoor grow...and more came out overnight.

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