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Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. * 7
    #25047342 - 03/07/18 08:30 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

1 and a quarter cups (300ml, 250g) of dry rye per quart jar. 


Pour dry rye into pot.


Rinse twice with hot water.
 

Fill pot with cold water 3 inches above level of level of rye.


Place pot onto stove.


Turn stove onto high.


When water reaches a full boil, set timer for 10 minutes.


Once rye has a boiled for 10 minutes, turn off stove, and allow rye to sit in hot water for 10 minutes.


After 10 minute hot water bath, place grains in strainer of choice.


Stirring occasionally, allow rye to cool until either steam stops escaping, or rye returns to room temp.


Load jars to between 5/8ths to 3/4ths full.


Cap jars.


Place foil square onto jar lids.


Fill PC with water.


Place jars into PC.


Pressure cook @ 15-20 psi for 90-120 minutes.


Fully colonized rye.


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: hamloaf] * 1
    #25047382 - 03/07/18 08:49 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

I like your tek ham, keeping it simple. That's what it's about. Do you ever just toss 1:1 rye/h20 into the jar and PC? It's so fast and convenient. I don't mind soaking at all. I just don't like simmering much, I'm a bit lazy. Love the tek, also your WBS version is great too have it bookmarked.

For those who want to see ham's wbs version of this: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24952939/


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: hamloaf]
    #25047383 - 03/07/18 08:49 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Man, this is simple as hell and looks great from the photos. Gonna have to try that once I finish off my bird seed. Thanks for the tek!


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: hamloaf]
    #25047392 - 03/07/18 08:55 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

:coolpost:

Basically how I do but with the 24 hr soak.


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: UnsungHero]
    #25047422 - 03/07/18 09:07 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Nice! Trying this for my next rye prep


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: Shineonyoucrazy]
    #25047486 - 03/07/18 09:49 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Love your simple 'so easy a cave man can do it' teks hammy! 

This is basically how I do my wheat. The last few times I've left it in the strainer and made sure that the grain was bone dry and cool on the outside. After the 2 hour pc cycle they came out pretty wet looking. Grain sticking to the sides, completely soaked on the bottom. After a good shake the jars all looked good.

I guess what I'm getting at is I'm wondering if that's normal or if my grain is too saturated to begin with? There are almost zero burst kernels after the boil as well.

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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: RomeoPapa]
    #25047565 - 03/07/18 10:41 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

It's fine.


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: RomeoPapa]
    #25048288 - 03/08/18 10:59 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

One of the purposes of the shake is to distribute/re-distribute moisture.


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: hamloaf]
    #25049871 - 03/08/18 04:17 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

:hi:


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: van hatton]
    #25049879 - 03/08/18 04:20 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Hey ham I got a question for you. So I've been having issues with my recent grows since switching to rye(using spitball Jedi' s prep). They seem to go good out of that gate then fizzle out a week in and stall or screech to a snails pace. Could grain hydration play a part in this? Still baffles me cause even the pf cakes using the same syringe do the same thing.


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: Shineonyoucrazy]
    #25049913 - 03/08/18 04:35 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Grains and cakes erring on the sides of either too dry, or too wet will surely thwart mycelial growth, and in extreme cases cause it to stall completely.  Another common reason for grains to stall is lack of adequate GE.  If grains are stalling after being shook the culprit is most likely bacteria.

Answer the grain prep section.
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: hamloaf]
    #25049970 - 03/08/18 04:56 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Grain prep- rye grain prepared spitball Jedi's how I do rye prep.  All jars are qt wide mouth mason jars with 4 3/32 holes for ge and sfd's. Grains were prepared in an AA925 modified with the sterilizer valve for 1hr 45 mins~ 2 hrs. All grain inoculation for this batch was blenderless li, and all work was done in a sab. Jars were colonized at a temp range of 68°F-74°F which took half the jars approximately 2 weeks to fully colonize and the others an extra week (faster jars got more li, and large portions of the agar puck. Need to soften my plate prep for blenderless li so the brake easier).
The bulk sub (eco earth coir) was all prepared using damion5050's elementary coir tek using those original numbers in the tek, but adding a bit more verm after to adjust field capacity. The sub is just CV.
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: hamloaf]
    #25049976 - 03/08/18 04:58 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

So glad when you answer one of my questions :smile:
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: BuffGuts] * 1
    #25049988 - 03/08/18 05:04 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Just curious, why do you switch to cold water for the boil?


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25050000 - 03/08/18 05:08 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Cold water boils faster than hot water believe it or not. That is my guess.


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: UnsungHero]
    #25050005 - 03/08/18 05:11 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Mpemba effect


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: UnsungHero]
    #25050014 - 03/08/18 05:13 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Cold water boils faster than hot water believe it or not. That is my guess.




That is not true. After working in kitchens since I was 16 I can tell there is absolutely no truth to that.

I was once scolded by my Japanese sensei because I used cold water for a giant pot of soup that we had to have ready by opening time and it set the whole preperation back an hour.

Hot water boils faster.


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25050021 - 03/08/18 05:14 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Theres even an episode of one of Gordon Ramseys cooking shows where he calls a poor girl "fucking stupid" for using cold water in a time-critical situation.


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: UnsungHero]
    #25050025 - 03/08/18 05:15 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Cold water boils faster than hot water believe it or not. That is my guess.



No it doesn't.

Also the Mpemba effect deals with freezing water not boiling it


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25050029 - 03/08/18 05:16 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

The Mpemba effect, named after Erasto Mpemba in 1963, is the observation that, in some circumstances, warmer water can freeze faster than colder water. Although there is evidence of the effect, there is disagreement on exactly what the effect is and under what circumstances it occurs.


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: BuffGuts]
    #25050036 - 03/08/18 05:18 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

What does freezing water have to do with boiling it though?


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25050037 - 03/08/18 05:18 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Cold water boils faster than hot water believe it or not. That is my guess.



No it doesn't.




Thank you bodhi :facepalm: I can't believe people believe this. The only reason cold water is sometimes recomended is because it doesnt leach as many heavy metals from pipes.

But they don't do that in restaurants because any half decent restaurant is going to have a good water filter.


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: BuffGuts]
    #25050041 - 03/08/18 05:19 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

i share a similar background with tiger.. in kitchens, if you told a chef 'cold water boils faster' hed laugh your ass to the unemployment line.


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: BuffGuts]
    #25050043 - 03/08/18 05:20 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I don't know the details behind it but that is what I've heard. Seems that is incorrect now after reading a few more recent studies on the subject.


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25052967 - 03/09/18 07:47 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Just curious, why do you switch to cold water for the boil?



No real reason.  I just like grains to heat up slowly.  The gunk is more soluble in hot water, so it readily releases from grains when they're rinsed with hot water.


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: hamloaf]
    #25065726 - 03/15/18 12:32 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Are there any negatives to also doing the 24 hour soak before the 10 minute boil like ive seen in RR's video? I thought that that was where most of the hydration occured for some reason. If just a 10 minute boil is enough then i feel like a 24 hour soak + a 10 minute boil would be way over hydrated right?


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: flyhighfunguy] * 1
    #25065736 - 03/15/18 12:39 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

With rye a soak isn't need to fully hydrate, or soften kernels.


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: hamloaf]
    #25065742 - 03/15/18 12:44 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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With rye a soak isn't need to fully hydrate, or soften kernels.



Wow im so happy i saw this before i started then.

So this will still hydrate my rye enough to do sclerotia jars that will be sitting there for a while?


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25065766 - 03/15/18 12:54 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I always had the understanding that the 24 hour soak of rye, was strictly to do with germinating endospores before PCing, which is what I have read and have been doing for ages lol. :shrug:


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: UnsungHero]
    #25065772 - 03/15/18 12:57 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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I always had the understanding that the 24 hour soak of rye, was strictly to do with germinating endospores before PCing, which is what I have read and have been doing for ages lol. :shrug:



Damn i dont know what to do lol. I've had a problem with bacteria in the past so maybe i should be safe and do a soak?

If i do do this method, i was planning on using coffee. Should i let it get cold before doing the boil?


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25065796 - 03/15/18 01:10 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

It's not the fault of the Tek if you are experiencing bacteria.  It's either faulty inoculum, sterile technique, cultivator error, or a combination of aforementioned issues.  No need to let the coffee get cold before boil.  No reason this wouldn't work for producing sclerotia either. 

Endospores aren't a problem.  I mean, it's clear that some are going to survive PC cycle no matter how grain is prepped.  With a proper sterilization cycle surviving endospores will be knocked back enough that if grains are inoculated with healthy culture in a timely manner said endospores will be consumed by healthy mushroom mycelium way before they can recover and germinate.


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: hamloaf]
    #25065802 - 03/15/18 01:15 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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It's not the fault of the Tek if you are experiencing bacteria.  It's either faulty inoculum, sterile technique, cultivator error, or a combination of aforementioned issues.  No need to let the coffee get cold before boil.  No reason this wouldn't work for producing sclerotia either. 

Endospores aren't a problem.  I mean, it's clear that some are going to survive PC cycle no matter how grain is prepped.  With a proper sterilization cycle surviving endospores will be knocked back enough that if grains are inoculated with healthy culture in a timely manner said endospores will be consumed by healthy mushroom mycelium way before they can recover and germinate.



Alright im convinced lol. Gonna go buy some rye right now and get started.

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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25065840 - 03/15/18 01:35 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

What is the idea behind the 10 min hot water soak?

I soak for 8-24h beforehand (hot water with a little coffee and gypsum) and after a 10 minute boil, they go right into the strainer.

Curious how the 10 min post boil soak came to be
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: hamloaf]
    #25065848 - 03/15/18 01:39 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Interesting.

Never bothered to question the 24 hour soak. Now that it is mentioned and brought up, I wouldnt mind skipping it, although I don't mind doing it either.

Here is a nice thread on the subject by bod.

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    #25065861 - 03/15/18 01:44 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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What is the idea behind the 10 min hot water soak?

I soak for 8-24h beforehand (hot water with a little coffee and gypsum) and after a 10 minute boil, they go right into the strainer.

Curious how the 10 min post boil soak came to be
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To cause surface of kernels to dry evenly via evacuation of steam.  It used to be thought that a soak was needed to soften kernels, and fully hydrate them, but I've discovered that with rye all that's needed is a 10 minute hard boil coupled with a 10 minute hot water soak to accomplish hydration while still being able to utilize steam evacuation to dry surface of kernels evenly.

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    #25065988 - 03/15/18 02:41 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Would this tek work with wheat berries? I can't find rye at my store anymore:sad:


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    #25066250 - 03/15/18 04:28 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not too familiar with wheat yet, so I don't know.  If wheat is soft like like rye then I don't see why not.


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I'm not too familiar with wheat yet, so I don't know.  If wheat is soft like like rye then I don't see why not.



I can't tel if it's any harder than rye. I just found some posts saying it can be prepared the same as RR's tek tho.

So Do u think that means that this tek would work also  since the soak is not necessary?


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    #25066325 - 03/15/18 04:57 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

It's a good indication, but I can't say for sure.  If it were me, I would use the same parameters as this Tek to prepare wheat berries in amount it would take to prepare one jar to see if same preparation parameters worked for foreign grain before proceeding further.


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Yea that’s a good idea. I’ll use a smaller pot to make one jar worth first.

If the wheat berries cook correctly they should be nice and soft throughout but dry on the outside after steaming right?

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Grains and cakes erring on the sides of either too dry, or too wet will surely thwart mycelial growth, and in extreme cases cause it to stall completely.  Another common reason for grains to stall is lack of adequate GE.  If grains are stalling after being shook the culprit is most likely bacteria.

Answer the grain prep section.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25030044#25030044



And also, do you think a 1/4 inch hole covered with a doubled up layer of tyvek and 2 layers of micro pore is adequate?


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i use a paper punch and it makes 0.25 inch holes in my metal lids and it works great. i also double up tyvek for filter material, but no tape


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Yea that’s a good idea. I’ll use a smaller pot to make one jar worth first.

If the wheat berries cook correctly they should be nice and soft throughout but dry on the outside after steaming right?

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Grains and cakes erring on the sides of either too dry, or too wet will surely thwart mycelial growth, and in extreme cases cause it to stall completely.  Another common reason for grains to stall is lack of adequate GE.  If grains are stalling after being shook the culprit is most likely bacteria.

Answer the grain prep section.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25030044#25030044



And also, do you think a 1/4 inch hole covered with a doubled up layer of tyvek and 2 layers of micro pore is adequate?



Correct concerning your moisture content quandary.  Grain won't be dry on outside until they've cooled, and steam has had a chance to escape. 

A quarter inch hole with double layers of tyvek, and micropore tape make a sufficient GE filter for grain jars.  Place tyvek down over hole, cover with pore tape, and repeat. 

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    #25066478 - 03/15/18 06:26 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Simplifying and speeding up the process. Efficient and noob friendly. Proof of concept included in OP.
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Yea that’s a good idea. I’ll use a smaller pot to make one jar worth first.

If the wheat berries cook correctly they should be nice and soft throughout but dry on the outside after steaming right?

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Grains and cakes erring on the sides of either too dry, or too wet will surely thwart mycelial growth, and in extreme cases cause it to stall completely.  Another common reason for grains to stall is lack of adequate GE.  If grains are stalling after being shook the culprit is most likely bacteria.

Answer the grain prep section.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25030044#25030044



And also, do you think a 1/4 inch hole covered with a doubled up layer of tyvek and 2 layers of micro pore is adequate?



Correct concerning your moisture content quandary.  Grain won't be dry on outside until they've cooled, and steam has had a chance to escape. 

A quarter inch hole with double layers of tyvek, and micropore tape make a sufficient GE filter for grain jars.  Place tyvek down over hole, cover with pore tape, and repeat. 
Lunchbox, good to know.  :thumbup:




Do you still want the grain to be completely dry outside before loading up the jars? I noticed in the thread you say just to let them cool. I’ve got the tester batch in the strainer right now.

Edit: I’m finished with the test batch, and it looks like 1 and a quarter cups of wheat hydrated to around the 2 cup mark in the mason  jar, so half way. Do you think this is because it’s under hydrated or because wheat just doesn’t expand as much?

The grain Still has a little  firmness too it when bitten, and has a slightly white center. I’m not sure if this means it’s under cooked or if they are supposed to be like this.

What do you think? Does it seem properly hydrated or should I try a longer boil or adding a soak or something? And if it is properly hydrated, should I use more since it only filled half way or will it expand even more in the pc?



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    #25066801 - 03/15/18 08:48 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Reason wheat didn't expand as much is because it's smaller.  Sounds like 1 & 1/2 to 1 & 3/4 cups of dry seed is what it would take to reach desired 5/8ths - 3/4ths level of hydrated grains in quart jar.  As far as grain expanding during PC cycle, opposite is true.

With these specs using rye it's completely, and thoroughly hydrated, so not sure about calling it satisfactory in hydration department.  One thing I can say is that when I prepare red milo it comes out in a similar fashion as your wheat berry trials, and I don't have any problems with it, so proceed with discretion.



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Alright sweet I’ll get started on cooking the big batch of them now then. The main thing that was throwing me off is how they are still quite firm when biting them.

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    #25069955 - 03/16/18 11:50 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Just got done prepping/noccing up my wheat berries with this tek.

Once out of the pressure cooker it only took a couple gentle turns and the grains completely broke loose, which i hope is a good sign. This is completely different than the clumpyness ive experienced with overly wet grains before.
However, i had someone say this looks too wet so now im not sure what to think.

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    #25069977 - 03/17/18 12:02 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Tried this method of less boiling time tonight and shall see how it works. One thing I noticed that there were a lot less burst oats and less burnt looking ones after boiling. Last ones I boiled around 40 mins and though they didn't look as nice after first boil they haven't given me any trouble yet


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that's how my wheat looks



Sweet thank you so much, someone told me it looked really wet for some reason so i was getting pretty worried.

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looks normal to me. any excess will be absorbed in the next 24 hours.



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Jesus my wheat looks like shit :lol:



Hahaha im glad to hear mine looks good, i was worried for nothing i guess.

When i was doing my Agar to grain transfers i didnt notice there was some grains stuck on the bottom of the jar lid. I knocked them down now, but do you think this will cause me any problems? Im hoping no mold/bacteria flew onto those grains when i lifted the lid off :facepalm3:


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    #25070514 - 03/17/18 09:23 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

It's a pretty well known method of innoculating called the tiger Drop.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20111637/fpart/all/vc/1
Innoculating with the whole plate isn't as sketchy as you think, it's a super smooth fast process. No scalpel used or anything, just detach the plate from the bottom of the mini round and dump it into the jar in one fast motion. I actually chose this method because I felt it would be easier to avoid contamination rather than cutting individual wedges woth a scalpel, which adds another vector for contam.


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    #25070590 - 03/17/18 09:58 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Stirring occasionally, allow rye to cool until either steam stops escaping, or rye returns to room temp.




It looks like you don't shake the grains in the strainer to get excess moisture off right? I hate that part and will stop doing it if I can get away with it....


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    #25071876 - 03/17/18 08:16 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Just got done prepping/noccing up my wheat berries with this tek.

Once out of the pressure cooker it only took a couple gentle turns and the grains completely broke loose, which i hope is a good sign. This is completely different than the clumpyness ive experienced with overly wet grains before.
However, i had someone say this looks too wet so now im not sure what to think.

What do you think, do they look alright?





They look fine.  Keep in mind that grains will lose some moisture content as mycelium colonizes them due to evaporation which is one purpose of shaking.  To redistribute moisture. 

One final test you can do to grains before loading them into jars to be sure surface moisture content is correct is to place about a tablespoonful of hydrated grains onto a piece of toilet paper, let them sit on toilet paper for about 15 seconds, then dump grains off, and there should not be a wet spot.  If there's a wet spot then the grains are too wet.

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Stirring occasionally, allow rye to cool until either steam stops escaping, or rye returns to room temp.




It looks like you don't shake the grains in the strainer to get excess moisture off right? I hate that part and will stop doing it if I can get away with it....



Correct, I just come by every 5-10 minutes and give grains a stir with a wooden spoon until they are ready to load into jars or spawn bags.


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When using liquid culture, is 1cc enough per quart jar of rye?


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    #25188338 - 05/06/18 06:24 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

1cc will work ok.  It'll work better if you inoculate in a 360 degree sweeping motion.  I prefer to shoot 1/2-1 cc per inoculation point.  It's really up to you.


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1cc will work ok.  It'll work better if you inoculate in a 360 degree sweeping motion.  I prefer to shoot 1/2-1 cc per inoculation point.  It's really up to you.



Do you make multiple holes in your jars, or by inoculation points do you just mean moving your syringe around?
Personally how much lc do you usually use per quart?

Also, what tool do you use to make holes in those plastic lids without cracking them?


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    #25188367 - 05/06/18 06:41 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I remove the lids to the jars to inoculate.  By inoculation point, I mean the spot where the inoculant is inoculated at onto the substrate. 

Personally I use about 2&1/2 cc's of LC to inoculate a quart jar with, and I use a cordless drill to make holes in lids without cracking them.


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I remove the lids to the jars to inoculate.  By inoculation point, I mean the spot where the inoculant is inoculated at onto the substrate. 

Personally I use about 2&1/2 cc's of LC to inoculate a quart jar with, and I use a cordless drill to make holes in lids without cracking them.



Alright cool, ill aim for around 2cc's then maybe to try to make my lc last a little longer. And for some reason i thought silicone didnt work with plastic lids. It'll be much easier unscrewing those plastic lids rather than messing around with metal ones.

Do you have any brands of rye berries that i can buy in bulk that youd recommend? I was told some brands are better than others but not sure which ones are the best.


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    #25188389 - 05/06/18 06:57 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Silicone works fine with plastic lids. 

As far as certain brands of rye berries being better than others, man, I'm not sure about that one.  I mean, it stands to reason that there would be a variation of quality in correlation to different prices, but I am blessed in the grain source department in that I live in a huge farmers' state, and all the grain choices available to me are grown in the state, are fresh, and are clean.  The rye that I use doesn't even have a brand name.  It just comes in a huge, blank, brown, heavy-duty paper bag.


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    #25188391 - 05/06/18 07:00 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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It just comes in a huge, blank, brown, heavy-duty paper bag.




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Silicone works fine with plastic lids. 

As far as certain brands of rye berries being better than others, man, I'm not sure about that one.  I mean, it stands to reason that there would be a variation of quality in correlation to different prices, but I am blessed in the grain source department in that I live in a huge farmers' state, and all the grain choices available to me are grown in the state, are fresh, and are clean.  The rye that I use doesn't even have a brand name.  It just comes in a huge, blank, brown, heavy-duty paper bag.



Damn thats pretty awesome. I wish i had grains available to me like that.

How much grain would you recommend i buy for 15 quart jars?


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    #25188398 - 05/06/18 07:04 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

@ 1&1/4 cups of dry rye per quart jar times 15 = 18.75 cups.  I'd round that off to about 20.


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@ 1&1/4 cups of dry rye per quart jar times 15 = 18.75 cups.  I'd round that off to about 20.



Oh somehow i must have missed those measurments in the tek. So ill buy about 8.5 pounds for the 15 jars.

One last question lol. Is there a difference in quality of SFD's or are they all similar?
Would these work you think? https://www.amazon.com/synthetic-filter-discs-90mm-Mouth/dp/B00UA8H2TE/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1525655525&sr=8-3&keywords=synthetic+filter+disc


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    #25188437 - 05/06/18 07:31 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Those will work.  :thumbup:



Do you know of any myco websites that carry both the SFD's as well as the plastic canning lids?

Im trying to figure out if theres a single place i can just order it all from, rather than a few different places.

EDIT: Just found out Shroomsupply.com has them both as well as rye berries

Thanks for the help man


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    #25188655 - 05/06/18 09:42 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Do you have any burst grains following this method? And what’s your view on burst rye grains anyway? I think my rye  colonize faster when I cook them until a few burst but i hate burst grains because they are too wet to colonize fully and look shit in otherwise perfect spawn jars.


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    #25188749 - 05/06/18 11:06 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Do you have any preference between preparing smaller/larger batches? or do larger batches of around 20-25 cups still cook evenly?

And do you think that washing my grains more than the 2 times you recommend in the tek would make them too wet? Sometime i feel like it takes around 5 times before the water looks nice and clear.

And lastly, do you find that gypsum doesnt really benfit the grow that much? And if i were to use gypsum do you have a recommended amount?


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    #25190545 - 05/07/18 09:17 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I get a burst grain or two with this tek once in a while.  Burst grains are inevitable sometimes.  Nothing is perfect.  As far as my take on burst grains?  So long as it's properly sterilized the myce likes the extra starches just as much as contamination, but it's bad practice to get into burst grains, and it is a contamantion vector as well.  Avoid it if possible. 

Small or large batch, so long as you fill the pot with water 3-4 inches above the level of seed this Tek will work like a charm. 

Some seed batches are dirtier than others, and require more rinses before the water returns clear.  The rinse step is to rid the seed of debris, and grime not to hydrate the seed, so no matter how many times you rinse the seed it will not affect the moisture content of the seed. 

Personally, I find gypsum to benefit growth in all stages.  If you've got gypsum there is no need to skimp on it.  For the grain spawning phase not only does it add calcium, and sulfate, it prevents grains from clumping together during the PC cycle, as well.  Add gypsum at 3-5% by volume of grains, and/or bulk substrate material, dry.


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I get a burst grain or two with this tek once in a while.  Burst grains are inevitable sometimes.  Nothing is perfect.  As far as my take on burst grains?  So long as it's properly sterilized the myce likes the extra starches just as much as contamination, but it's bad practice to get into burst grains, and it is a contamantion vector as well.  Avoid it if possible. 

Small or large batch, so long as you fill the pot with water 3-4 inches above the level of seed this Tek will work like a charm. 

Some seed batches are dirtier than others, and require more rinses before the water returns clear.  The rinse step is to rid the seed of debris, and grime not to hydrate the seed, so no matter how many times you rinse the seed it will not affect the moisture content of the seed. 

Personally, I find gypsum to benefit growth in all stages.  If you've got gypsum there is no need to skimp on it.  For the grain spawning phase not only does it add calcium, and sulfate, it prevents grains from clumping together during the PC cycle, as well.  Add gypsum at 3-5% by volume of grains, and/or bulk substrate material, dry.



Alright sweet ill cook it up all at once then.

Does the pelletized gypsum i have pictured below work for the grain prep? Or does it have to be the powdered kind?

And did you mean 5% by weight or volume? If you meant volume then for 15 jars i would do 15 table spoons right? since 1.25 cups X 15 jars = 18.75 cups X .05 = 0.9375 cups which is 15 tablespoons.



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    #25190643 - 05/07/18 10:19 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Garden gypsum is perfect.  Powered gypsum is more soluble in the water, so I prefer powered. 

As far as amount of gypsum, like I said, volume.  Add 140(3%)-240(5%) ml of gypsum for 20 cups of grain.  I'd go with the 3% range.  Add the gypsum to the water that the grain is to be boiled in.


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Garden gypsum is perfect.  Powered gypsum is more soluble in the water, so I prefer powered. 

As far as amount of gypsum, like I said, volume.  Add 140(3%)-240(5%) ml of gypsum for 20 cups of grain.  I'd go with the 3% range.  Add the gypsum to the water that the grain is to be boiled in.



Oh wow ive been using way to little gypsum then. For some reason i had it in my head that i was supposed to use 1 tablespoon for every 10 cups of grain lol.
I'll go with the 140 ml then.

Sorry for all the questions, im getting ready to do my grains in a couple days and questions keep popping into my head lol.

Will the gypsum still measure out the same even though its pelletized?

Also, whats your opinion on using coffee for cubensis varieties? I've used it for sclerotia before but never cubensis.


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    #25190725 - 05/07/18 11:55 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Correct, gypsum will measure out the same.  My opinion on adding some brewed coffee to the grain water is; if ya got it on hand, use it. 

There isn't too much of a noticeable difference between using coffee, and not using coffee worth going out of your way for, but it does add a boost in the nutrient, and compound department.  I'd also recommend to use weak/watered down coffee, so the grains aren't so nutritious that colonization may be slowed.

My flowhood allows me to remove the lids to any media vessel, and inoculate them safely.  Good sterile technique will allow for the same in a SAB, so it's up to you on the SHIPs.  If you do decide to go the SHIP route be sure to flame sterilze the needle real good as a vector against pushing through any contaminants upon inoculation that may have accumulated on the surface of a sanitized only SHIP.


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    #25190727 - 05/08/18 12:00 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Correct, gypsum will measure out the same.  My opinion on adding some brewed coffee to the grain water is; if ya got it on hand, use it. 

There isn't too much of a noticeable difference between using coffee, and not using coffee worth going out of your way for, but it does add a boost in the nutrient, and compound department.  I'd also recommend to use weak/watered down coffee, so the grains aren't so nutritious that colonization may be slowed.

My flowhood allows me to remove the lids to any media vessel, and inoculate them safely.  Good sterile technique will allow for the same in a SAB, so it's up to you on the SHIPs.  If you do decide to go the SHIP route be sure to flame sterilze the needle real good as a vector against pushing through any contaminants upon inoculation that may have accumulated on the surface of a sanitized only SHIP.



I used half coffee and half water for my sclerotia and it seemed super dark. The growth looks healthy but is going suuuuper slow. Maybe too much coffee was my problem?

Does 25% coffee sound good to you? Im using dunkin donuts brand Keurig cups , not sure if it makes a difference tho lol

And alright. I've had some fairly good success with my SAB so far so maybe ill give just cracking the lids a shot.

This is what my sclerotia grain water looked like. Too much coffee you think?


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25190796 - 05/08/18 02:50 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Getting ready to prep 100lbs of rye in this fashion.


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Correct, gypsum will measure out the same.  My opinion on adding some brewed coffee to the grain water is; if ya got it on hand, use it. 

There isn't too much of a noticeable difference between using coffee, and not using coffee worth going out of your way for, but it does add a boost in the nutrient, and compound department.  I'd also recommend to use weak/watered down coffee, so the grains aren't so nutritious that colonization may be slowed.

My flowhood allows me to remove the lids to any media vessel, and inoculate them safely.  Good sterile technique will allow for the same in a SAB, so it's up to you on the SHIPs.  If you do decide to go the SHIP route be sure to flame sterilze the needle real good as a vector against pushing through any contaminants upon inoculation that may have accumulated on the surface of a sanitized only SHIP.



I used half coffee and half water for my sclerotia and it seemed super dark. The growth looks healthy but is going suuuuper slow. Maybe too much coffee was my problem?

Does 25% coffee sound good to you? Im using dunkin donuts brand Keurig cups , not sure if it makes a difference tho lol

And alright. I've had some fairly good success with my SAB so far so maybe ill give just cracking the lids a shot.

This is what my sclerotia grain water looked like. Too much coffee you think?





That looks like a lot of coffee. I think I've read notes that too much coffee will slow things down, but maybe I'm just making that up :confused:

The coffee I brew is really strong and using it at 50:50 seems ridiculous and expensive, so I just throw in no more than a couple of cups.


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: space_shrooms]
    #25192891 - 05/09/18 03:47 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Great tek! I'll try it, I alwyas soak for 24 hours and it bugs me :-)


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Correct, gypsum will measure out the same.  My opinion on adding some brewed coffee to the grain water is; if ya got it on hand, use it. 

There isn't too much of a noticeable difference between using coffee, and not using coffee worth going out of your way for, but it does add a boost in the nutrient, and compound department.  I'd also recommend to use weak/watered down coffee, so the grains aren't so nutritious that colonization may be slowed.

My flowhood allows me to remove the lids to any media vessel, and inoculate them safely.  Good sterile technique will allow for the same in a SAB, so it's up to you on the SHIPs.  If you do decide to go the SHIP route be sure to flame sterilze the needle real good as a vector against pushing through any contaminants upon inoculation that may have accumulated on the surface of a sanitized only SHIP.



I used half coffee and half water for my sclerotia and it seemed super dark. The growth looks healthy but is going suuuuper slow. Maybe too much coffee was my problem?

Does 25% coffee sound good to you? Im using dunkin donuts brand Keurig cups , not sure if it makes a difference tho lol

And alright. I've had some fairly good success with my SAB so far so maybe ill give just cracking the lids a shot.

This is what my sclerotia grain water looked like. Too much coffee you think?





That looks like a lot of coffee. I think I've read notes that too much coffee will slow things down, but maybe I'm just making that up :confused:

The coffee I brew is really strong and using it at 50:50 seems ridiculous and expensive, so I just throw in no more than a couple of cups.



Yea i thought it mighta seemed a little dark. Im cooking up some grains tomorrow so ill try out using just a couple cups. Thanks for the advice

Do you guys know how long it usually takes for your grains to be completely dry after straining? Would it be fine if i let them dry for like 1-2 hours just to make sure that they are completely dry on the outside? Or could they get too dry from sitting out too long?


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25194980 - 05/10/18 07:58 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Can anyone say if the quality of Rye berries varies much?......recently used Oats and doesn't seem to be doing well, might not be the oats fault but see a lot of threads talking about "those oats look like shit", or "probably bad oats"....I haven't really seen that with rye berries, have some more LC and don't want to use the same product and get the same results, unfortunately limited supplies where I live.


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Can anyone say if the quality of Rye berries varies much?......recently used Oats and doesn't seem to be doing well, might not be the oats fault but see a lot of threads talking about "those oats look like shit", or "probably bad oats"....I haven't really seen that with rye berries, have some more LC and don't want to use the same product and get the same results, unfortunately limited supplies where I live.



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Correct, gypsum will measure out the same.  My opinion on adding some brewed coffee to the grain water is; if ya got it on hand, use it. 

There isn't too much of a noticeable difference between using coffee, and not using coffee worth going out of your way for, but it does add a boost in the nutrient, and compound department.  I'd also recommend to use weak/watered down coffee, so the grains aren't so nutritious that colonization may be slowed.

My flowhood allows me to remove the lids to any media vessel, and inoculate them safely.  Good sterile technique will allow for the same in a SAB, so it's up to you on the SHIPs.  If you do decide to go the SHIP route be sure to flame sterilze the needle real good as a vector against pushing through any contaminants upon inoculation that may have accumulated on the surface of a sanitized only SHIP.



I used half coffee and half water for my sclerotia and it seemed super dark. The growth looks healthy but is going suuuuper slow. Maybe too much coffee was my problem?

Does 25% coffee sound good to you? Im using dunkin donuts brand Keurig cups , not sure if it makes a difference tho lol

And alright. I've had some fairly good success with my SAB so far so maybe ill give just cracking the lids a shot.

This is what my sclerotia grain water looked like. Too much coffee you think?





That looks like a lot of coffee. I think I've read notes that too much coffee will slow things down, but maybe I'm just making that up :confused:

The coffee I brew is really strong and using it at 50:50 seems ridiculous and expensive, so I just throw in no more than a couple of cups.



Yea i thought it mighta seemed a little dark. Im cooking up some grains tomorrow so ill try out using just a couple cups. Thanks for the advice

Do you guys know how long it usually takes for your grains to be completely dry after straining? Would it be fine if i let them dry for like 1-2 hours just to make sure that they are completely dry on the outside? Or could they get too dry from sitting out too long?



Also, is it normal for there to be foam ontop of the water while boiling the grains. Im boiling some right now and im noticing a lot of foam. I used coffee and pellitized gypsum, not sure if that makes a difference tho.



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    #25199756 - 05/12/18 04:44 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

You will get all kinds of nasty foam when boiling rye. Totally normal.


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    #25200081 - 05/12/18 08:34 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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You will get all kinds of nasty foam when boiling rye. Totally normal.



Alright sweet I was worried my gypsum wasn't mixing in or something.

I just loaded my jars up into the pressure cooker. Do these grains look like they were dry enough you think?


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    #25200087 - 05/12/18 08:36 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Looks perfect to me



Awesome thanks bro

Edit: I noticed that a lot of my gypsum settled in the bottom of the pot. Has anyone ever experienced this before and how should I fix it?


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    #25204099 - 05/14/18 07:16 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Do these look too wet to you?

I just finished inoculating these with about 3cc of liquid culture each, and then noticed that some of the grains kind of look slightly wet now that they've been pressure cooked and inoculated.

Is this normal looking, or did i hydrate a little too much you think?



In the first picture of the bottom of the jar, those wet looking grains is what concerns me. Or is that just normal after PC'ing/inoculating with 3cc's?


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    #25871897 - 03/13/19 02:34 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Do you stir the grains at all while their cooking? Or do you just let them sit? Im worried if i dont stir the grains on the bottom of the pot will burn, and if i do stir maybe it will burst the grains more?


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    #25875622 - 03/15/19 11:05 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Personally I stir.  Stirring is optional, though.  The heat from the boil coupled with an ample amount of water used to boil the grains with causes the grains to roll around whilst boiling, thus stirring themselves.


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    #25875661 - 03/15/19 11:28 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Load jars to between 5/8ths to 3/4ths full.






Quick question. When bulk recipes say "1 qt spawn", does that mean a partially full quart jar like this, or do you need to adjust for the extra room (so like 1.25 - 1.5 jars) when mixing with full quarts of bulk sub?


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    #25875955 - 03/15/19 01:41 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

That means a mycoquart, so not an entire full quart of spawn.


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Thanks. And same for yield calculations?


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    #25876645 - 03/15/19 07:00 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Like when people write 1:1 does it mean 1 myco quart to 1 full quart of sub? If that's what you mean then yes, its the same for yield calculations. Hope that helps


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    #26067210 - 06/22/19 08:33 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Hi!!

How do you go from the colonized jars to the fruits in the monotub?? Do you break the jar inside the monotub? and what kind of sustrate should I put in the monotub?

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How do you go from the colonized jars to the fruits in the monotub?? Do you break the jar inside the monotub? and what kind of sustrate should I put in the monotub?

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    #26773844 - 06/22/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I only have a small pressure cooker that fits 2 quart jars at a time. Thus, I need to pressure cook several rounds to go through a significant amount of rye.
My question would be whether I can boil/hydrate all the rye at once and then leave it in the jars  for about a day or will they somehow go bad. In other words, does hydrated rye need to be pressure cooked directly?


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    #26773858 - 06/22/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldn't worry too much if it's only going to sit in the jars for a day before being pc'd. Try to save up and buy a 21 quart Presto if possible. It'll save you a lot of time.


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: FunnelMind]
    #27026752 - 11/07/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: kanemush]
    #27026797 - 11/07/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

thanks, ill give this tek a shot I got some rye lying around but was hesitant due to reading people do 24 hour soaks.


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: kanemush]
    #27026905 - 11/07/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Kanemush, thanks for answering. After I posted my question, I found that someone linked to Bod's explanation of this. I am still not 100% about it, but it seems enough people are saying that a soak is not necessary. I am boiling my rye berries right now! Looking forward to seeing how this turns out. Also, I am using an instapot as a PC.

I have used the Instapot to PC my agar with success. So, I am going to use it for this tek as well. When I did the agar, I did it for twice as long to be safe, since the Instapot that I have gets up to only 12 PSI. All of my plates did great. I also saw a YouTube video of someone using a Instapot to do something very similar to this tek. They only did it for 1 hour.  They had success with that. So, I am going to try to PC my rye for an hour and a half to be safe, and hope for the best.


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: hamloaf]
    #27600457 - 12/30/21 09:29 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Saving thread for future reference. Worked like a charm


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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: goodcleanfun]
    #27626588 - 01/21/22 03:15 AM (2 years, 26 days ago)

Thank you!


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