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Tight Lunchbox
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25066392 - 03/15/18 05:41 PM (6 years, 14 days ago) |
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this is exactly how i do my wheat
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Tight Lunchbox
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25066402 - 03/15/18 05:46 PM (6 years, 14 days ago) |
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i use a paper punch and it makes 0.25 inch holes in my metal lids and it works great. i also double up tyvek for filter material, but no tape
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25066408 - 03/15/18 05:50 PM (6 years, 14 days ago) |
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flyhighfunguy said: Yea that’s a good idea. I’ll use a smaller pot to make one jar worth first.
If the wheat berries cook correctly they should be nice and soft throughout but dry on the outside after steaming right?
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hamloaf said: Grains and cakes erring on the sides of either too dry, or too wet will surely thwart mycelial growth, and in extreme cases cause it to stall completely. Another common reason for grains to stall is lack of adequate GE. If grains are stalling after being shook the culprit is most likely bacteria.
Answer the grain prep section. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25030044#25030044
And also, do you think a 1/4 inch hole covered with a doubled up layer of tyvek and 2 layers of micro pore is adequate?
Correct concerning your moisture content quandary. Grain won't be dry on outside until they've cooled, and steam has had a chance to escape.
A quarter inch hole with double layers of tyvek, and micropore tape make a sufficient GE filter for grain jars. Place tyvek down over hole, cover with pore tape, and repeat.
Lunchbox, good to know.
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Tmethyl
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: hamloaf] 2
#25066478 - 03/15/18 06:26 PM (6 years, 14 days ago) |
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Simplifying and speeding up the process. Efficient and noob friendly. Proof of concept included in OP. What more can you ask for?
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flyhighfunguy
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: hamloaf]
#25066567 - 03/15/18 07:10 PM (6 years, 14 days ago) |
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hamloaf said:
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flyhighfunguy said: Yea that’s a good idea. I’ll use a smaller pot to make one jar worth first.
If the wheat berries cook correctly they should be nice and soft throughout but dry on the outside after steaming right?
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hamloaf said: Grains and cakes erring on the sides of either too dry, or too wet will surely thwart mycelial growth, and in extreme cases cause it to stall completely. Another common reason for grains to stall is lack of adequate GE. If grains are stalling after being shook the culprit is most likely bacteria.
Answer the grain prep section. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25030044#25030044
And also, do you think a 1/4 inch hole covered with a doubled up layer of tyvek and 2 layers of micro pore is adequate?
Correct concerning your moisture content quandary. Grain won't be dry on outside until they've cooled, and steam has had a chance to escape.
A quarter inch hole with double layers of tyvek, and micropore tape make a sufficient GE filter for grain jars. Place tyvek down over hole, cover with pore tape, and repeat. Lunchbox, good to know.
Do you still want the grain to be completely dry outside before loading up the jars? I noticed in the thread you say just to let them cool. I’ve got the tester batch in the strainer right now.
Edit: I’m finished with the test batch, and it looks like 1 and a quarter cups of wheat hydrated to around the 2 cup mark in the mason jar, so half way. Do you think this is because it’s under hydrated or because wheat just doesn’t expand as much?
The grain Still has a little firmness too it when bitten, and has a slightly white center. I’m not sure if this means it’s under cooked or if they are supposed to be like this.
What do you think? Does it seem properly hydrated or should I try a longer boil or adding a soak or something? And if it is properly hydrated, should I use more since it only filled half way or will it expand even more in the pc?
Edited by flyhighfunguy (03/15/18 07:42 PM)
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: flyhighfunguy] 1
#25066801 - 03/15/18 08:48 PM (6 years, 14 days ago) |
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Reason wheat didn't expand as much is because it's smaller. Sounds like 1 & 1/2 to 1 & 3/4 cups of dry seed is what it would take to reach desired 5/8ths - 3/4ths level of hydrated grains in quart jar. As far as grain expanding during PC cycle, opposite is true.
With these specs using rye it's completely, and thoroughly hydrated, so not sure about calling it satisfactory in hydration department. One thing I can say is that when I prepare red milo it comes out in a similar fashion as your wheat berry trials, and I don't have any problems with it, so proceed with discretion.
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flyhighfunguy
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: hamloaf]
#25066815 - 03/15/18 08:53 PM (6 years, 14 days ago) |
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Alright sweet I’ll get started on cooking the big batch of them now then. The main thing that was throwing me off is how they are still quite firm when biting them.
Thanks for all the help
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: Tight Lunchbox]
#25069955 - 03/16/18 11:50 PM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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Just got done prepping/noccing up my wheat berries with this tek.
Once out of the pressure cooker it only took a couple gentle turns and the grains completely broke loose, which i hope is a good sign. This is completely different than the clumpyness ive experienced with overly wet grains before. However, i had someone say this looks too wet so now im not sure what to think.
What do you think, do they look alright?
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25069974 - 03/17/18 12:00 AM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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that's how my wheat looks
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25069977 - 03/17/18 12:02 AM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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Tried this method of less boiling time tonight and shall see how it works. One thing I noticed that there were a lot less burst oats and less burnt looking ones after boiling. Last ones I boiled around 40 mins and though they didn't look as nice after first boil they haven't given me any trouble yet
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flyhighfunguy
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: Tight Lunchbox]
#25069985 - 03/17/18 12:05 AM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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Tight Lunchbox said: that's how my wheat looks
Sweet thank you so much, someone told me it looked really wet for some reason so i was getting pretty worried.
Appreciate the reassurance
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Tight Lunchbox
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25070006 - 03/17/18 12:16 AM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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looks normal to me. any excess will be absorbed in the next 24 hours.
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: Tight Lunchbox]
#25070018 - 03/17/18 12:23 AM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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Jesus my wheat looks like shit
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: van hatton]
#25070028 - 03/17/18 12:29 AM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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Tight Lunchbox said: looks normal to me. any excess will be absorbed in the next 24 hours.
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van hatton said: Jesus my wheat looks like shit
Hahaha im glad to hear mine looks good, i was worried for nothing i guess.
When i was doing my Agar to grain transfers i didnt notice there was some grains stuck on the bottom of the jar lid. I knocked them down now, but do you think this will cause me any problems? Im hoping no mold/bacteria flew onto those grains when i lifted the lid off
Edited by flyhighfunguy (03/17/18 12:31 AM)
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25070035 - 03/17/18 12:35 AM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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you'll just have to wait and see. you're probably fine though.
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: Tight Lunchbox]
#25070040 - 03/17/18 12:37 AM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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Alright awesome thanks for the help
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Tmethyl
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25070486 - 03/17/18 09:07 AM (6 years, 12 days ago) |
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X - Nevermind, I see.
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: Tmethyl] 1
#25070514 - 03/17/18 09:23 AM (6 years, 12 days ago) |
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It's a pretty well known method of innoculating called the tiger Drop. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20111637/fpart/all/vc/1 Innoculating with the whole plate isn't as sketchy as you think, it's a super smooth fast process. No scalpel used or anything, just detach the plate from the bottom of the mini round and dump it into the jar in one fast motion. I actually chose this method because I felt it would be easier to avoid contamination rather than cutting individual wedges woth a scalpel, which adds another vector for contam.
Edited by flyhighfunguy (03/17/18 09:26 AM)
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: hamloaf]
#25070590 - 03/17/18 09:58 AM (6 years, 12 days ago) |
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hamloaf said Stirring occasionally, allow rye to cool until either steam stops escaping, or rye returns to room temp.
It looks like you don't shake the grains in the strainer to get excess moisture off right? I hate that part and will stop doing it if I can get away with it....
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Re: Super Simple, 10/10, Rye Berry Prep Tek Like a Boss. [Re: senseit]
#25071876 - 03/17/18 08:16 PM (6 years, 12 days ago) |
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flyhighfunguy said: Just got done prepping/noccing up my wheat berries with this tek.
Once out of the pressure cooker it only took a couple gentle turns and the grains completely broke loose, which i hope is a good sign. This is completely different than the clumpyness ive experienced with overly wet grains before. However, i had someone say this looks too wet so now im not sure what to think.
What do you think, do they look alright?
They look fine. Keep in mind that grains will lose some moisture content as mycelium colonizes them due to evaporation which is one purpose of shaking. To redistribute moisture.
One final test you can do to grains before loading them into jars to be sure surface moisture content is correct is to place about a tablespoonful of hydrated grains onto a piece of toilet paper, let them sit on toilet paper for about 15 seconds, then dump grains off, and there should not be a wet spot. If there's a wet spot then the grains are too wet.
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hamloaf said Stirring occasionally, allow rye to cool until either steam stops escaping, or rye returns to room temp.
It looks like you don't shake the grains in the strainer to get excess moisture off right? I hate that part and will stop doing it if I can get away with it....
Correct, I just come by every 5-10 minutes and give grains a stir with a wooden spoon until they are ready to load into jars or spawn bags.
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