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rossissekc
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Coco Coir (cleaning grade) *update*
#25040924 - 03/05/18 04:33 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey fellas
i just found out that one of my regulars at my bar works for a company that makes coco coir for cleaning up chemical spills. she said i can have as many sample bags as i want. i have yet used coco coir as ive just started out trying the PF tek and just inoculated my first grain jars (fingers crossed) my questions for everyone is that since this isnt the brick form will it still be able to be used as bulk substrate? she also says that theres tons of it that sit outside i can have, but it gets rained on/exposed to the elements, would that coir still be good to use if i can use this grade of coir?
Cheers
Edited by rossissekc (03/19/18 12:44 PM)
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Re: Coco Coir (cleaning grade) [Re: rossissekc]
#25040946 - 03/05/18 04:41 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd properly pasteurize or sterilize it if it had been sitting in the rain. Sounds like a potentially sweet connection. I wonder what condition it's in. The texture may be different, I don't know.
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rossissekc
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verum subsequentis said: I'd properly pasteurize or sterilize it if it had been sitting in the rain. Sounds like a potentially sweet connection. I wonder what condition it's in. The texture may be different, I don't know.
yea i was gonna pasteurize it with Bods tek, whether its out of the bag or been sitting out.
the texture is very powdery, apparently the stuff is designed to be plopped on an oil spill or liquid spill, it absorbs everything and you sweep it up. pretty neat action
ill post pics of the sample bag when i get home
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Re: Coco Coir (cleaning grade) [Re: rossissekc]
#25040991 - 03/05/18 04:59 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice. I'm curious. Bods Tek with the insulated cooler will probably be fine but I don't think I'd bucket Tek it if it has been sitting out much. Who knows.
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hamloaf
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If it's been sitting out, it will need proper pasteurization.
Bucket Tek works well with coir bricks due to high heat application it goes through to get coir into its brick form.
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Re: Coco Coir (cleaning grade) [Re: hamloaf]
#25041252 - 03/05/18 06:19 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wouldn't worry about it having sat outside. I would worry more about what kind of retting was done to "cleaning" grain coir. I know some super low grades of coir occasionally have the retting done in salt water instead of fresh.
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Re: Coco Coir (cleaning grade) [Re: hamloaf]
#25041271 - 03/05/18 06:23 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cool cool
yea i was on the fence about getting an insulated cooler, i have bucket and was just gonna do damiens tek. but it seems that Bods insulated cooler tek is the way to go. thanks for the feedback
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Re: Coco Coir (cleaning grade) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#25041289 - 03/05/18 06:32 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I wouldn't worry about it having sat outside. I would worry more about what kind of retting was done to "cleaning" grain coir. I know some super low grades of coir occasionally have the retting done in salt water instead of fresh.
That's true too, but the fact that's it's been sitting out means it collected microbes. Some of which will need to be pasteurized away, preserving beneficial microbes.
That heat application coir bricks go through in order to get it into it's brick form basically sterilizes it, thus making a hot water bath viable for making use of bricked coir as mushroom substrate. It's good to see you posting about.
Edited by hamloaf (03/05/18 08:04 PM)
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Re: Coco Coir (cleaning grade) [Re: hamloaf]
#25042582 - 03/06/18 10:18 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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hamloaf said:
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Pastywhyte said: I wouldn't worry about it having sat outside. I would worry more about what kind of retting was done to "cleaning" grain coir. I know some super low grades of coir occasionally have the retting done in salt water instead of fresh.
That's true too, but the fact that's it's been sitting out means it collected microbes. Some of which will need to be pasteurized away, preserving beneficial microbes.
That heat application coir bricks go through in order to get it into it's brick form basically sterilizes it, thus making a hot water bath viable for making use of bricked coir as mushroom substrate. It's good to see you posting about.
thats the same concern i had as well. im acquiring an insulated bucket this week. i also have a 23qt pressure cooker so i can sterilize the coir if needed.
i inoculated a half pint of oats the other day, if it takes off im gonna use that and a little bit of the sample package to make a quart size mini monotub from a restaurant deli. ill document the whole thing and reqort back
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Re: Coco Coir (cleaning grade) [Re: hamloaf] 1
#25044608 - 03/07/18 06:19 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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hamloaf said:
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Pastywhyte said: I wouldn't worry about it having sat outside. I would worry more about what kind of retting was done to "cleaning" grain coir. I know some super low grades of coir occasionally have the retting done in salt water instead of fresh.
That's true too, but the fact that's it's been sitting out means it collected microbes. Some of which will need to be pasteurized away, preserving beneficial microbes.
That heat application coir bricks go through in order to get it into it's brick form basically sterilizes it, thus making a hot water bath viable for making use of bricked coir as mushroom substrate. It's good to see you posting about.
Or you can just sterilize it all and not worry because coir doesn't need thermophiles to protect it. I'm hoping to be posting more again soon. Life is busy.
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Re: Coco Coir (cleaning grade) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#25045533 - 03/07/18 10:40 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey that's true too. Good idea. 
Cool, see you around then.
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rossissekc
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Re: Coco Coir (cleaning grade) [Re: hamloaf]
#25046335 - 03/07/18 03:21 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the feedback guys
this is what the stuff looks like

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rossissekc
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Re: Coco Coir (cleaning grade) [Re: rossissekc]
#25050212 - 03/08/18 06:30 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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bump (are those allowed here?)
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Re: Coco Coir (cleaning grade) [Re: rossissekc]
#25050216 - 03/08/18 06:31 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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yes if it's been 24 hours or you have something pretty good and relevant to add other than it being for the sake of going to the top
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Re: Coco Coir (cleaning grade) [Re: bodhisatta]
#25050244 - 03/08/18 06:41 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: yes if it's been 24 hours or you have something pretty good and relevant to add other than it being for the sake of going to the top
Heard that
i came back with pics of that coir i got from my friend, maybe you could help me out Bod. this is cleaning coir, was wondering if it could be used as substrate
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Re: Coco Coir (cleaning grade) [Re: bodhisatta]
#25050254 - 03/08/18 06:44 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd do a quick grain/coir jar and test it out. Fruit t straight out the jar. Easy least and you'll no if it works. If so, out can go hog wild. Have you brought any to feild capacity and tested the texture?
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rossissekc
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verum subsequentis said: I'd do a quick grain/coir jar and test it out. Fruit t straight out the jar. Easy least and you'll no if it works. If so, out can go hog wild. Have you brought any to feild capacity and tested the texture?
thats what i was thinking, was gonna do a half pint of oats to a half pint of this coir in a quart deli. i havent tested the field capacity of it yet, im still very much a noob lurking around reading as much as i can.
thanks for the feedback
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Re: Coco Coir (cleaning grade) [Re: rossissekc]
#25050406 - 03/08/18 07:46 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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lurking and reading is the best thing you can do. that and practice. i can't even begin to explain how much lurking and reading i did before i ever made a post.
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rossissekc
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for sure
i feel like ive read all of Bods teks like five times lol
like i said before if those oats take off ill keep you guys updated on it, should be fun
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Re: Coco Coir (cleaning grade) *Update* [Re: rossissekc] 1
#25075340 - 03/19/18 11:30 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey guys
So my half pint of malabar coast finished colonizing on the grain this weekend.
I took a clear restaurant quart deli and drilled 4 holes in it about a half inch in diameter each.
i did a mix of 1 cup coir, to 1/4 cup verm and found the field capacity to be qabout 1/2 cup of water.
i used a half pint of that to make a 1:1 ratio
i decided to go ahead and pressure cook the coir/verm mixture for an hour just to be safe.
after that cooled i mixed the colonized grain with the cv and set inside the deli, taped up the holes and cracked the lid and placed in my closet til it colonizes and is ready to fruit, ill update with pics when i get home
also this is my first grow, i hope i know what im doing
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