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impatientguy
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When to harvest for maximum weight?
#25039102 - 03/04/18 08:00 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I know everybody says to harvest when the veil breaks for potency but I've searched and the advanced search and haven't been able to find anything.
I'm wondering when does the mushroom gain the maximum weight?
When does it start gaining only water weight and quit gaining actual weight?
If anybody could help me I would really appreciate it
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Re: When to harvest for maximum weight? [Re: impatientguy]
#25039148 - 03/04/18 08:16 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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They are mostly water anyways but, once the viels break. The furthest I like to go is the cap is just starting to open and barely begins to flatten. Cause from there the caps open and then begin to tilt and curve upward for spore splosion. They just suck water at that point and dont gain anymore potency, Only water weight.
Really, harvesting at that point is the best for potency, and beyond is preference or a bit later if you want to take prints.
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Re: When to harvest for maximum weight? [Re: Ziran]
#25039164 - 03/04/18 08:22 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Your shrooms will definitely gain dry weight if you let them keep growing bigger and bigger. I As far as what the ratio of water to shroom material is I couldn't say but they definitely gain weight.
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Re: When to harvest for maximum weight? [Re: elasticaltiger]
#25039274 - 03/04/18 09:12 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks ET
That's what I was hoping to hear lol Your always a great help!
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Re: When to harvest for maximum weight? [Re: elasticaltiger]
#25039282 - 03/04/18 09:15 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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elasticaltiger said: Your shrooms will definitely gain dry weight if you let them keep growing bigger and bigger. I As far as what the ratio of water to shroom material is I couldn't say but they definitely gain weight.
Yep. but the potency by weight goes down a bit. But its minuscule. I eat enough when I eat them that it doesn't make to much of a difference.
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impatientguy
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Re: When to harvest for maximum weight? [Re: Ziran]
#25039287 - 03/04/18 09:17 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I already knew that and stated it in the original post
Not to be a dick but you basically just restated what was in my original post.
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Re: When to harvest for maximum weight? [Re: impatientguy]
#25039288 - 03/04/18 09:17 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would wait until the cap is fully extended if your going for weight.
Edit: once the cap fully extends it done growing, it starts focusing on spore dispersion, once it drops it's spores, it starts dying.
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Re: When to harvest for maximum weight? [Re: Doc9151]
#25039296 - 03/04/18 09:20 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alright, thanks for the input man
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Re: When to harvest for maximum weight? [Re: impatientguy]
#25131419 - 04/11/18 05:43 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you harvest them right when the vail breaks, as opposed to letting them continue growing some more, do you miss out on a considerable amount of weight? Or is it not really that much.
It sounds like if you want maximum potency and dont care about extra weight, the best time to harvest is right when the veil completely breaks and separates from the cap correct?
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Re: When to harvest for maximum weight? [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25131565 - 04/11/18 06:48 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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That’s when I harvest mine, unless I’m taking a print, obviously. For me personally, I don’t care about the extra weight. I get pleanty of shrooms from what I’ve grown, that adding extra weight means nothing to me.
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Re: When to harvest for maximum weight? [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25131891 - 04/11/18 09:09 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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flyhighfunguy said: If you harvest them right when the vail breaks, as opposed to letting them continue growing some more, do you miss out on a considerable amount of weight? Or is it not really that much.
It sounds like if you want maximum potency and dont care about extra weight, the best time to harvest is right when the veil completely breaks and separates from the cap correct?
You get a decent amount more weight, I'd say 10 to 20 % more.
Edited by impatientguy (04/11/18 09:30 PM)
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Re: When to harvest for maximum weight? [Re: impatientguy]
#25131952 - 04/11/18 09:40 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok. Let’s say mushrooms keep getting more potent until they are fully matured, then yeah sure, I would want the extra weight. But at some point in a mushrooms life, I have to believe it quits producing psilocybin and psilocin. What point is that? I dont know. It just seems logical that it quits producing actives and uses its energy for spore production. In the past I’ve bought mushrooms that were fully matured flat caps and wasn’t that impressed with them. And it also seems that every time I indulge in my own, they kick my ass.
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Re: When to harvest for maximum weight? [Re: Cybin_man]
#25131966 - 04/11/18 09:46 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I let mine mature fully and there are no complaints about potency, and they bruise nicely.
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impatientguy
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I've done it both ways, and not noticed much of a difference if any.
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Re: When to harvest for maximum weight? [Re: impatientguy]
#25131989 - 04/11/18 09:56 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I will do what I do. Everybody else will do what they do. In the end it doesn’t matter. We are all tripping, and it’s a matter of personal preference. If you want extra weight grow them that way, if you like your shrooms not as mature grow them that way. It’s all serving the same function.
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Re: When to harvest for maximum weight? [Re: Cybin_man]
#25132096 - 04/11/18 10:56 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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No doubt
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Re: When to harvest for maximum weight? [Re: impatientguy]
#25132409 - 04/12/18 04:24 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Once the veil rips they stop producing Psilocybin and put energy into spores(as stated). After that it is water weight, they still grow. People pick them when the veil rips to avoid spore mess. Once the cap flattens and and starts to flip up they are all but dead. I havent noticed much difference in weight or potency inbetween any of those stages. Dont pick premature or let them rot and your golden 
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Re: When to harvest for maximum weight? [Re: Ama420]
#25133277 - 04/12/18 01:37 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes but where did you hear the potency thing?
Seems like everyone kinda says that with no real testing ever been done.
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Re: When to harvest for maximum weight? [Re: impatientguy]
#25133310 - 04/12/18 01:51 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Terrance mckenna, grow guides, different online sources. I have seen it more than a dozen times. Am i correct? Your guess is as good as mine, but i have seen it more than not. I havent heard of it any other way. I will research into it
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Re: When to harvest for maximum weight? [Re: Ama420]
#25133329 - 04/12/18 02:05 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Veil is only a way to measure fruit. Not relation to potency. If maximum potency to weight ratio is sought after pick largest sized pins. Also, no more than 15-20% in weight will be added to Cubensis after veil tears which is not worth mess spores cause.
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