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Jackhammer2113
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ID plz.

#25036193 - 03/03/18 02:52 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Could someone ID these. I dropped some spores in the location I found these. Weilii.

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Byrain

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[Re: Jackhammer2113]
#25036414 - 03/03/18 04:23 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

What color are the spores? I'm guessing Entoloma. Take the spore print on foil in case the spores are white.

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Jackhammer2113
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[Re: Byrain]
#25036475 - 03/03/18 04:55 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

See that’s what I thought too, but they smell like cucumbers, also dry tops.

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breeg89
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[Re: Jackhammer2113]
#25036630 - 03/03/18 06:11 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Not weilii. I agree with Entoloma; some of them smell like cucumbers too.

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Doc9151
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#25037012 - 03/03/18 09:31 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Entoloma is what Ithink too

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Jackhammer2113
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[Re: Doc9151]
#25037545 - 03/04/18 05:44 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I tossed em, these were so similar. Gills for sure through me off

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Jackhammer2113
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#25037548 - 03/04/18 05:47 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Also the time of year was strange, but we have had some weird weather here. I’m gonna go check my main spot.

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Aleks.T
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[Re: Jackhammer2113]
#25038634 - 03/04/18 04:15 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Lamellar attachment is off for Entoloma though. I don't really have a good suggestion.

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Byrain

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#25038651 - 03/04/18 04:20 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I'd still like to see a spore print personally.

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Aleks.T
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[Re: Byrain]
#25040338 - 03/05/18 11:58 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Byrain said:
I'd still like to see a spore print personally.

Agree, even though I hate sporeprints :P

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Anglerfish
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[Re: Aleks.T]
#25040347 - 03/05/18 12:07 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Aleks.T said:
I hate sporeprints :P

Like, hate to look at them, make them or plainly hate them full stop?

Other than that I think OP's mushroom resembles one of the late winter/ early spring Clitocybe spp.

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Byrain

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#25040369 - 03/05/18 12:19 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Yea, Clitocybe sounds better than Entoloma now that you mention it.

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Doc9151
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#25040465 - 03/05/18 01:22 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Microscopy is going to be needed to determine this one imo.

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Byrain

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#25040473 - 03/05/18 01:25 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

If its Clitocybe microscopy may not be very helpful, Clitocybe don't tend to have many useful microscopic characteristics, mostly just spore size. The Californian key relies mostly on macroscopic details like how hygrophanous they are and smell...

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Doc9151
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[Re: Byrain]
#25040492 - 03/05/18 01:37 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I meant for genus id, it would determine whether its Entoloma or clitocybe by spore shape or atleast rule out Entoloma.

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Byrain

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#25040524 - 03/05/18 01:50 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Yea, the angular spores in Entoloma should be distinct from the spore sin Clitocybe. Wouldn't spore color work too though? I've never seen a Clitocybe leave a salmon pink spore print.

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#25040673 - 03/05/18 02:58 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

True, but if the specimens no longer dropping spores that's the only way to tell. I'm just assuming that the specimens are too old now that's where I come up with that

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#25040854 - 03/05/18 04:06 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Or maybe do a DNA sequence and end up with Melanoleuca.

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Byrain

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#25040894 - 03/05/18 04:18 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Melanoleauca spores are amyloid with ornamented warts and may have conspicuous cystidia so microscopy should help there. :smile:

:smile:

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Doc9151
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#25041174 - 03/05/18 05:45 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anglerfish said:
Or maybe do a DNA sequence and end up with Melanoleuca.

Right, that would definitely narrow it dowm.

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Aleks.T
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#25042005 - 03/06/18 02:01 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anglerfish said:
Quote:

Aleks.T said:
I hate sporeprints :P

Like, hate to look at them, make them or plainly hate them full stop?

Other than that I think OP's mushroom resembles one of the late winter/ early spring Clitocybe spp.

Sporeprints are vastly over exaggerated in value for identification purposes. There's very few times when you actually *need* them to make a solid id outside of Russulaceae for example. Macroscopic features are far more useful. I was thinking Melanoleuca at first as well but the decurrent lamellar attachment doesn't fit. Clitocybe might, but black stiped with an umbo kinda threw that off a bit. This one's really puzzling.

Edited by Aleks.T (03/06/18 02:03 AM)

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Byrain

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#25042367 - 03/06/18 08:35 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Spore prints are valuable if you want a good spore size, but yes, you can often tell what the spore color is before making a spore print with experience. In this example I'm not sure if it will be a pink print or a white print.

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#25042500 - 03/06/18 09:41 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Aleks.T said:

Sporeprints are vastly over exaggerated in value for identification purposes. There's very few times when you actually *need* them to make a solid id outside of Russulaceae for example.

I think this depends on what means and methods one has for identification. Like me, collecting a fair amount, need to send
material off to a more experienced mycologist for microscopy, for instance. And a spore print will often be very helpful to
make a primer for what he should expect to look for under the scope, thus making the further identification work easier.

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Macroscopic features are far more useful.

Usually they are, but on quite a few occasions I have seen rather atypical features, or lack of typical ones, where the
spore print was essential to know which direction to look in.

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[Re: Anglerfish]
#25043565 - 03/06/18 05:22 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

:whathesaid:

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