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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: koods] * 1
    #25049152 - 03/08/18 02:11 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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you do realize that anonymous sources are simply people who don't want their names used, right? The reporters know who they are. You can't just anonymously talk to journalists. They won't take you seriously unless they know who you are.




It's funny too as you can list tons of sources and just skew data/quotes in your favor anyways (cough cough fox cough) Or just blatantly lie (cough cough Hannity cough)

But it seems like "fake news" usually refers to news people don't want to be real.

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Fake news is a type of yellow journalism or propaganda that consists of deliberate misinformation or hoaxes spread via traditional print and broadcast news media or online social media.[




That is what "fake news" was originally. What we are seeing currently with the overuse of the term is a clear attempt at making the term seem less serious.

The GOP has done the same thing with tons of other terms, anytime they become guilty of something they overuse the term until it loses meaning with a good chunk of people...

Not sure what the term is for that technique but they are pro's. Trump did it himself with treason and some other words, like when he said not clapping for him is treason...

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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: musiclover420]
    #25049931 - 03/08/18 04:41 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I have to agree with the president for once... From a national security standpoint it makes complete sense that we do what we can to resurrect the steel and aluminum manufacturing industries. I'm not sure going about it by imposing "select tarrifs" was a wise move though.

We don't add many new jobs in the big picture and risk losing out in a larger number of export sectors...

We'll have to wait and see because he signed the order today... We may have been better off subsidizing both sectors.


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Nikon Addict]
    #25049943 - 03/08/18 04:44 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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I have to agree with the president for once... From a national security standpoint it makes complete sense that we do what we can to resurrect the steel and aluminum manufacturing industries. I'm not sure going about it by imposing "select tarrifs" was a wise move though.

We don't add many new jobs in the big picture and risk losing out in a larger number of export sectors...

We'll have to wait and see because he signed the order today... We may have been better off subsidizing both sectors.




Did you hear about the guy in Trump's administration who sold off around a million shares related to the steel industry a few days before Trump announced the tariffs?

http://www.startribune.com/ex-trump-adviser-sells-before-steel-tariff-news-hits-stock/475740773/

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Billionaire investor Carl Icahn sold nearly 1 million shares of stock in a company tied to the steel industry leading up to President Donald Trump's decision to impose costly tariffs on steel and aluminum imported into the U.S.

Icahn also has ties to Trump; he was an unpaid adviser to the president before resigning last August.

A recent regulatory filing disclosed Icahn sold $31.3 million worth of stock in northeastern Wisconsin-based crane manufacturer Manitowoc Co. last month. Manitowoc could be hurt by Trump's tariffs, a threat that caused the company's shares to drop by 9 percent to $26.93 since the president's announcement.




Would that be considered insider trading?

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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Nikon Addict] * 1
    #25050053 - 03/08/18 05:24 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

No, that would be "executive privilege". Trump is involved.


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Nikon Addict said:
I have to agree with the president for once... From a national security standpoint it makes complete sense that we do what we can to resurrect the steel and aluminum manufacturing industries. I'm not sure going about it by imposing "select tarrifs" was a wise move though.

We don't add many new jobs in the big picture and risk losing out in a larger number of export sectors...

We'll have to wait and see because he signed the order today... We may have been better off subsidizing both sectors.




Why does this make sense from a national security standpoint? Canada supplies most of our steel and aluminum. Last time we went to war with them, we were British and they were French.


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Kryptos]
    #25050261 - 03/08/18 06:46 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Anyone post this yet?

Trump tariffs: US President imposes levy on steel and aluminium

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President Trump has signed controversial orders imposing heavy tariffs on steel and aluminium - but some countries will be spared.

Mr Trump has said the US is suffering from "unfair trade" and that the move would boost US industry.

But countries have expressed outrage at his plans, and experts have warned of new trade wars.

The tariffs will go into effect in 15 days and include exemptions for Canada and Mexico.

Tariffs of 25% are to be placed on steel and 10% on aluminium imported into the US.

The tariffs are opposed by many in the president's own party and by the US's major trading partners.

Republican Senator Jeff Flake - a prominent critic of Mr Trump who opposes the move - said he was drafting legislation to nullify the tariffs, saying trade wars are only ever lost.

House Speaker Paul Ryan said he disagreed with the action and feared its unintended consequences.

What are possible repercussions?
Mr Trump's announcement last week about his plan to impose the hefty tariffs sparked alarm and upset markets at home and abroad.

Major trading partners have threatened retaliation and the plans are opposed by many in his own party.

The president's top economic adviser Gary Cohn, a supporter of free trade, resigned on Tuesday. More than 100 Republicans have signed a letter addressed to the president, expressing their "deep concern" about the tariffs

International Monetary Fund chief Christine Lagarde has warned "nobody wins" in a trade war, saying it would harm global economic growth
The EU has proposed retaliatory measures against a number of US goods including bourbon and peanut butter
China has threatened an "appropriate and necessary response" in any trade war with the US. Foreign Minister Wang Yi said China and the US should strive to be partners rather than rivals

Mr Trump has said that the US would "win big" in a trade war.

Other countries are likely to take the US to court, arguing that the decision violates World Trade Organization moves.

The White House says that the national security rationale for the move is "unassailable" and national security considerations are allowed under WTO rules.

The director of UK Steel said the tariffs would have a profound and detrimental impact on the UK steel sector.

"Imposing such measures on US allies in the name of national security is difficult to comprehend," Gareth Stace added.




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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: musiclover420]
    #25050337 - 03/08/18 07:12 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Nothing has happened but as usual you guys are falling for the hype. In 15 days, if nothing is changed then it will go into effect. Before then and after then there is plenty of room for negotiating. We don't want a trade war but our trading partners want it even less. To get the tariffs removed they simply have to follow instructions from trump.


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Stonehenge]
    #25050443 - 03/08/18 08:11 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

And now Trump is gonna meet with ole Kimmy and deal with him. Something nobody has done in what 70 years?


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Stonehenge]
    #25050478 - 03/08/18 08:29 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Nothing has happened but as usual you guys are falling for the hype. In 15 days, if nothing is changed then it will go into effect. Before then and after then there is plenty of room for negotiating. We don't want a trade war but our trading partners want it even less. To get the tariffs removed they simply have to follow instructions from trump.




Quote:

The president's top economic adviser Gary Cohn, a supporter of free trade, resigned on Tuesday. More than 100 Republicans have signed a letter addressed to the president, expressing their "deep concern" about the tariffs




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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #25051254 - 03/09/18 07:19 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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And now Trump is gonna meet with ole Kimmy and deal with him. Something nobody has done in what 70 years?




70?  wtf?

kim isn't nearly that old, but around eight years ago two (former) presidents met with the regime.


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #25051819 - 03/09/18 12:09 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

lol
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And now Trump is gonna meet with ole Kimmy and deal with him. Something nobody has done in what 70 years?



Wtf are you taking about. This has happened so many times before

This is the first time we'll send a total fucking moron to do the job


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: relic] * 1
    #25051839 - 03/09/18 12:18 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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And now Trump is gonna meet with ole Kimmy and deal with him. Something nobody has done in what 70 years?




70?  wtf?

kim isn't nearly that old, but around eight years ago two (former) presidents met with the regime.




Trump supporters suck at history


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: koods]
    #25051929 - 03/09/18 01:09 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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lol
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Patlal said:
And now Trump is gonna meet with ole Kimmy and deal with him. Something nobody has done in what 70 years?



Wtf are you taking about. This has happened so many times before

This is the first time we'll send a total fucking moron to do the job



Trump should hire dennis Rodman as his North Korean advisor


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: MagicMush123]
    #25052185 - 03/09/18 02:53 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

No he's just as mentally unstable


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: koods]
    #25052212 - 03/09/18 02:59 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

The irony that trump is playing the role of Alec Baldwin from team America


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: koods]
    #25052267 - 03/09/18 03:22 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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No he's just as mentally unstable



Its been proven he is quite stable


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Stonehenge]
    #25052310 - 03/09/18 03:46 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Stable genius already realized he fucked up and gave NK what they wanted by being willing to meet without requiring they halt their nuclear program.

Now he's backpedaling.

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Nothing has happened but as usual you guys are falling for the hype. In 15 days, if nothing is changed then it will go into effect. Before then and after then there is plenty of room for negotiating. We don't want a trade war but our trading partners want it even less. To get the tariffs removed they simply have to follow instructions from trump.




Or they could just remove the US from world trade agreements. We may be a big economy, but the EU is bigger and China is getting there. It's like how the TPP (or whatever the new one without the US is called now) just got renegotiated. Now US beef pays a 39% tariff in Japan, but EU beef tariffs are dropping to 3% in a decade.

Put short: the US will lose a trade war, badly, if the world decides to move on without us. Which is what seems to be happening.


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: MagicMush123]
    #25052395 - 03/09/18 04:19 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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koods said:
No he's just as mentally unstable



Its been proven he is quite stable




Are you serious?...

It doesn't take a degree in psychology to see how crazy and or senile he is...

According to him it's also "proven" that he is 6'3" and weighs 240 pounds which seems impossible to me. I am around 6' and probably weigh around 220-250 and am not nearly as "bulky" as he is.

Hopefully in the future we make all our presidents take strict mental health screenings, as well as release their tax returns... It's nice to see some states already making tax returns required just to get on their ballot.


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: koods]
    #25052434 - 03/09/18 04:34 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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No he's just as mentally unstable



Hi my name is koods and I... like to make shit up!


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #25052447 - 03/09/18 04:39 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Oh look, more BS from Trump:

White House: Never Mind the North Korea Meeting, Trump Was Just Babbling

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Donald Trump snared headlines across the world by announcing yesterday he would meet with North Korea, breaking with years of American policy that held such a meeting could only happen if North Korea made concessions on its nuclear program first. It turns out Trump’s foreign policy masterstroke did not come as the result of a Metternichtian calculation but instead a completely spontaneous outburst.

South Korean official Chung Eui-yong was in the White House yesterday meeting with other officials. Trump decided to see Chung right away; maybe Fox News was in repeats or something. Trump “then asked Mr. Chung to tell him about his meeting with Mr. Kim,” reports the New York Times. “When Mr. Chung said that the North Korean leader had expressed a desire to meet Mr. Trump, the president immediately said he would do it, and directed Mr. Chung to announce it to the White House press corps.”

It sounds from this account that Trump had no real idea that North Korea has always wanted a face-to-face meeting with the U.S. president, and the U.S. has always imposed conditions. That would certainly be the logical interpretation of this account, given that, in the last week, Trump has confused North Korea with the other, extremely different South Korea, and demanded a laughably tiny $1 billion trade concession from China when he was supposed to demand $100 billion. It certainly appears Trump believed, in the moment, that North Korea had not been interested in a meeting until then, so he needed to take the deal before they changed their mind. Whatever. Art of the Deal.

So then the administration rushed out its breakthrough announcement. But now the administration has to slowly back away without quite acknowledging it is doing so. Press Secretary Sarah Sanders told reporters today Trump won’t meet with North Korea unless they offer concrete concessions beforehand:




Funny seeing people try and give Trump credit for this when he had next to nothing to do with these relations and he can't even do his part correctly :lol:


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #25052454 - 03/09/18 04:42 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Stable genius already realized he fucked up and gave NK what they wanted by being willing to meet without requiring they halt their nuclear program.

Now he's backpedaling.

Quote:

Stonehenge said:
Nothing has happened but as usual you guys are falling for the hype. In 15 days, if nothing is changed then it will go into effect. Before then and after then there is plenty of room for negotiating. We don't want a trade war but our trading partners want it even less. To get the tariffs removed they simply have to follow instructions from trump.




Or they could just remove the US from world trade agreements. We may be a big economy, but the EU is bigger and China is getting there. It's like how the TPP (or whatever the new one without the US is called now) just got renegotiated. Now US beef pays a 39% tariff in Japan, but EU beef tariffs are dropping to 3% in a decade.

Put short: the US will lose a trade war, badly, if the world decides to move on without us. Which is what seems to be happening.





If we really wanted to play hard ball (which we don't), we could just stop using our navy to protect international shipping.  Maybe even interdict a few vessels coming or going to countries that want to charge us 39% tariffs.  Close the Suez and Panama canals.

One day, we won't have the clout to do any of that.  That seems to be the plan anyway.  For now, we do.  It's actually funny, because this stuff has all been in the works for at least a hundred and twenty years.  When you read about the end of the Spanish-American War, there was big controversy over whether or not to keep the territories we took from spain(except for cuba).  One of the primary reasons laid out in favor of keeping them was the Phillipines' proximity to China, which had a helluva population even then, and potential as a consumer market.


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