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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: qman]
    #25037896 - 03/04/18 10:04 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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When the Democrats, Republicans and MSM all piss on the idea of Trump's tariffs, we know it's a good idea for US citizens.




Oh yeah, that totally makes sense.

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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: waves]
    #25037933 - 03/04/18 10:22 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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waves said:
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qman said:
When the Democrats, Republicans and MSM all piss on the idea of Trump's tariffs, we know it's a good idea for US citizens.




Oh yeah, that totally makes sense.





Do you understand WHY The Establishment is against economic tariffs?  Do you know what is potentially as sake?

Do you understand why BOTH parties and the MS Financial Media only give one side of the argument?


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: qman]
    #25037956 - 03/04/18 10:36 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

^ of course not, the media is always right didn't you know?


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #25037979 - 03/04/18 10:50 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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ou understand why BOTH parties and the MS Financial Media only give one side of the argument?





Thats fucking delusional conspiracy nutter  bullshit .
  I’ve been watching trump supporters attempt to explain this shit on CNN all morning .


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Psilynut2] * 2
    #25038104 - 03/04/18 11:48 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

TRUE THAT CHINA doesn't import lot of steel to the US.

The steel industry is not the same as 30 years ago.  Most of the US steel production is specialty steel mill, and recycled iron, steel, and other metals.

the tariffs do NOT make sense.

The Smoot Hawley act was (arguable) exacerbated the depression.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot%E2%80%93Hawley_Tariff_Act

the tariffs proposed can hurt economy.


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
    #25038114 - 03/04/18 11:52 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

The least economically savvy people in the country voted for trump. Why the hell would anyone think their ideas are worth anything. These are people who haven't had jobs in years and live off the nutritional value of oxycodone


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #25038192 - 03/04/18 12:38 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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I could support well reasoned tariffs, but I would prefer to simply require that goods sold in the U.S. conform to U.S. production and labor laws and regulations, regardless of where they are produced.



:whathesaid:


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: starfire_xes]
    #25038516 - 03/04/18 03:23 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Trump is just proposing some tariffs, nothing has been put in stone yet. He is firing warning shots and the final result will be much less. We may impose tariffs on countries in which we have a negative balance of trade or in which they are using dirty tricks to stop our imports. I wish previous presidents had the guts to bring up this conversation. We will be better off after its done

China may not sell us a lot of steel but they sell us boatloads of other stuff. A small tariff of perhaps 5% would do a world of good for usa manufacturers. I suspect something like that will come out of it.


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Stonehenge] * 3
    #25038690 - 03/04/18 04:44 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Come on dude. Trump is an impulsive moron. That's all there is to it


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Psilynut2]
    #25038711 - 03/04/18 04:59 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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ou understand why BOTH parties and the MS Financial Media only give one side of the argument?





Thats fucking delusional conspiracy nutter  bullshit .
  I’ve been watching trump supporters attempt to explain this shit on CNN all morning .




I'm sure CNN finds the best people to put out the most accurate counterarguments to The Establishments economic agenda. 

:huxleyfacepalm:

Is it also a conspiracy the D's give Bernie the shaft because he ALSO supported economic tariffs and many socialist programs?  :rofl2:


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: starfire_xes]
    #25038714 - 03/04/18 05:01 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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TRUE THAT CHINA doesn't import lot of steel to the US.

The steel industry is not the same as 30 years ago.  Most of the US steel production is specialty steel mill, and recycled iron, steel, and other metals.

the tariffs do NOT make sense.

The Smoot Hawley act was (arguable) exacerbated the depression.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot%E2%80%93Hawley_Tariff_Act

the tariffs proposed can hurt economy.




And your solution to massive trade deficits?  You do realize there's nothing free trade about the current exchange?


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25038721 - 03/04/18 05:04 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:
I could support well reasoned tariffs, but I would prefer to simply require that goods sold in the U.S. conform to U.S. production and labor laws and regulations, regardless of where they are produced.



:whathesaid:




And take away the cheap cost of labor/production, what would be the point in their minds?  :lol:


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: qman] * 1
    #25038766 - 03/04/18 05:30 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Lets never do anything that will upset the bourgeoisie.


Lol :lol:


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Zyiadem] * 1
    #25039017 - 03/04/18 07:22 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Well he already smashed the solar industry which employs more than coal and was making a big boom on the west coast, and was one of the fastest growing sectors of the economy, until he put a 30% tariff on that.

Seems to me like trump is going to bleed legitimate industry's dry, while ensuring less people rise to wealth. His attacks on small business are clear, taking most tax write offs away from small businesses.

These tactics are simply cut and burn, if this crashes the economy it's not like him or his friends are going to be here for the fallout.



Whats wrong with tariffs on imported solar panels? Wouldn't they just manufacture them at home, instead of importing from china?


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: qman] * 1
    #25040105 - 03/05/18 09:55 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm sure CNN finds the best people to put out the most accurate counterarguments to The Establishments economic agenda. 





They are usually former and current trump appointees / employees . They were and are the best people  according to trump .  Are you saying people who support trump policies generally don’t know what the fuck they are talking about ?


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Psilynut2]
    #25040199 - 03/05/18 10:54 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm sure CNN finds the best people to put out the most accurate counterarguments to The Establishments economic agenda. 





They are usually former and current trump appointees / employees . They were and are the best people  according to trump .  Are you saying people who support trump policies generally don’t know what the fuck they are talking about ?




I don't know who they were or what they said, so I'm not going to comment on it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/ryan-splits-with-trump-as-gop-lawmakers-move-to-block-planned-tariffs/2018/03/05/cbb5c786-2094-11e8-94da-ebf9d112159c_story.html

Paul Ryan and the bought and paid Republicans hate the idea, their sponsors don't want trade deficits to get reduced and they don't want tariffs to gain any form of momentum.

It appears you and Paul Ryan are on the same side of this issue, did you also favor the corporate tax cuts like Ryan did?


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: qman] * 1
    #25040309 - 03/05/18 11:45 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Everything you just said is irrelavent to the point I’m making . They do present both sides of the arguments .  Constantly .  My feelings about those people and things won’t make what you said not be bullshit .

  I don’t like Paul Ryan , his ideas , Republicans paid for or not ,  their ideas or trumps ideas , corporate tax cuts , or trade wars .


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #25040553 - 03/05/18 02:03 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

In response to the proposed tarrifs, Canada says they will also impose them on us. I'm guessing everyone else will too.

    Trump says "trade wars are so easy". If they were easy we would have done this decades ago.


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Psilynut2]
    #25040598 - 03/05/18 02:23 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Everything you just said is irrelavent to the point I’m making . They do present both sides of the arguments .  Constantly .  My feelings about those people and things won’t make what you said not be bullshit .

  I don’t like Paul Ryan , his ideas , Republicans paid for or not ,  their ideas or trumps ideas , corporate tax cuts , or trade wars .




"They do present both sides of the arguments"

In my opinion, CNN, Fox or any other MSM news outlet does NOT make a good attempt doing it, it's about ratings, not being intellectually honest.

"what you said not be bullshit"

So according to your logic, the very same Congress that passed the corporate tax cuts to benefit the wealthy are now looking out for the peasants to stop Trump's economic tariffs.  :flowstone:

It really doesn't even matter, there are not going to be any meaningful tariffs implemented, that would cost the elite trillions pre year in profits, that's not gonna happen.  This is theater and nothing more.


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Stonehenge]
    #25040603 - 03/05/18 02:25 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Trump is just proposing some tariffs, nothing has been put in stone yet. He is firing warning shots and the final result will be much less. We may impose tariffs on countries in which we have a negative balance of trade or in which they are using dirty tricks to stop our imports. I wish previous presidents had the guts to bring up this conversation. We will be better off after its done

China may not sell us a lot of steel but they sell us boatloads of other stuff. A small tariff of perhaps 5% would do a world of good for usa manufacturers. I suspect something like that will come out of it.




I'm not a Trump fan but I think and hope you might be right.

This could be art of the deal negotiating tactics. His alleged skill as a negotiator was about the only good thing I saw in Trump when he was elected.

The mega tarrifs he has proposed are ridiculous but there are some cases where tarrifs make sense. They could also be a leveraging to for other trade deals.


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