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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
    #25033144 - 03/02/18 09:45 AM (6 years, 1 day ago)

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lid colors dont seem to affect anything.




I do wish I could find clear lids just to even out some light distribution. I'm a fan of keeping the lid on. Thanks Mush :thumbup:

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker]
    #25033158 - 03/02/18 09:52 AM (6 years, 1 day ago)

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Not a terrible thing to wake up to. Time for prints and  clone attempt after coffee.




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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Josex]
    #25033208 - 03/02/18 10:07 AM (6 years, 1 day ago)

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I've been doing the same with big tubs. :shrug:
I don't notice any difference whith tubs with the lid flipped vs not flipped.
Full canopies, healthy fruits, no fuzzy feet. :shrug::shrug::shrug: :shrug::shrug::shrug:

My only regret is having drilled holes in my tubs in the first place, now they're all taped up.
Seriously, this whole FAE thing (hate that term) that's been parroted for ages and accepted as the ultimate truth needs to stop. There's plenty of air in a tub with no holes. You leave me inside a tub with the lid flipped and I won't suffocate, ever. What makes people think myc needs more air than a human? It's a nearly anaerbic organism by comparison.



I´ll do three tubs, one with the lid flipped, one with the lid on and one tub with the lid taped up during fruiting.
20L tubs should be okej for this test. Fuzzy feet should be noticed in the taped up tub if lack of oxygen causes this.
I will wait until I see pins forming, when the pinset reveals itself I will tape the lid shut and leave it alone for a week.

Anyone else that has a suggestion for this test, something that can be added to test this theory?


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
    #25033231 - 03/02/18 10:14 AM (6 years, 1 day ago)

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when the pinset reveals itself I will tape the lid shut and leave it alone for a week.

Anyone else that has a suggestion for this test, something that can be added to test this theory?




That's not what I do at all. I use tubs from Ikea, the same ones you use but bigger, and you know how those lids fit in the box, very loose. It just lets in plenty of air without the need to flip the lid.
I'm not suggesting to tape that shit up, but if you wanna experiment be my guest. :thumbup:

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Josex]
    #25033245 - 03/02/18 10:21 AM (6 years, 1 day ago)

What about one more but dubtubbed?

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Josex]
    #25033255 - 03/02/18 10:26 AM (6 years, 1 day ago)

Yep the Ikea tubs are obviously designed to breathe and I´m sure the fruits would develop fine without the lid being flipped.
I´m doing the test just to see how the fruits will react to being deprived of oxygen, and that´s why I want to see what
will happen to developing fruits inside a tub that has the lid sealed with tape.

@Rabbit
I have done plenty of side by sides with dubtub and flipped lid and I did not notice any difference at all :shrug:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
    #25033659 - 03/02/18 01:08 PM (6 years, 21 hours ago)

I have been having better results with boxes that were dubtubbed after the first pinset comes in fully. The best second flushed have come from those that were dubtubbed during the first flush.

I am not an expert at all. It seems that much advise about shoeboxing is very dependent upon the climate/environment that the user deals with. Personally, I need to both mist often and fan in this season's climate. (furnace heated Winter in MN). If I don't mist often, the sub dries before the full pinset comes in. If I do not fan after misting, then usually the required evaporation does not occur.

As a background... Here in our house, the humidity is 90-100% in recent times OUTSIDE, but in right around 40% in the fruiting area. Temp is around -10 to +45 F outside and 70-82 F in the fruiting area. There is much air circulation in my fruiting area due to raising plants in the same room. I think it is a good trade off, providing CO2 to the plants and the freshest air I can provide to the mushrooms. Either way, it seems to provide a strange set of circumstances for the substrates. A brutal dance.

Even so, I've gotten over 30 dry G from a CVG shoebox with only 1 1/2 pints of spawn. People will either tell me that my subs look too dry or too wet, but I like to listen to the mushrooms.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
    #25033831 - 03/02/18 02:37 PM (6 years, 20 hours ago)

MT

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: tanukihimself]
    #25034289 - 03/02/18 06:27 PM (6 years, 16 hours ago)

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Spivkurl]
    #25035090 - 03/03/18 02:27 AM (6 years, 8 hours ago)

First shoebox attempt as well as my first bulk attempt.

One is B+ and the other is GT, both agar to rye berries and  both transferred at least 3 time’s before going to grain (I’ve got them all labeled in my notebook and have since started putting the transfer number in my labels).. Jars recovered from shake in roughly 30 hours, spawned the next day to a ratio of 1:1.5 CVG.

I had one colonizing for 10 days and the other for 12 days. Originally just a normal dubtub, but after a few days ended up drilling some 1.25 inch holes at each of the short ends and stuffing them with polyfil, they seemed to have excessive condensation so I assumed they needed more FAE.

Still seem a bit wet to me but obviously I’m still so new that I really have no idea. Any suggestions? Put the normal top back on (no holes), put the lid back on, keep it as is and see what happens? Any ideas would be great at this point!

Thanks in advance!









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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Spivkurl]
    #25035101 - 03/03/18 02:48 AM (6 years, 8 hours ago)

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MT




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Many Thanks?

@Spivkurl, I read yesterday that the soil for potted plants can be a breeding ground for trich and was best to not use plants in the same room where you grow. Have you had any problems?

I like the concept of keeping plants and mushrooms together due to the reasons you suggested but was scared off by what I read.

MT ;-)

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Zachsonpub] * 1
    #25035102 - 03/03/18 02:49 AM (6 years, 8 hours ago)


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: MrRabbit-HMR]
    #25035298 - 03/03/18 06:24 AM (6 years, 4 hours ago)

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MT




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Many Thanks?

@Spivkurl, I read yesterday that the soil for potted plants can be a breeding ground for trich and was best to not use plants in the same room where you grow. Have you had any problems?

I like the concept of keeping plants and mushrooms together due to the reasons you suggested but was scared off by what I read.

MT ;-)




Thank you for clearing up the newspeak!

Just as with mushroom cultivation, plants like a pretty clean space and a clean substrate. I try to maintain this as best as I can, though perhaps I've just been lucky. I've started making all my own potting soil from my own compost, which is oven pasteurized. Usually hydroponic is even cleaner mold wise.

The only trich that I've seen in these first few months of mushroom work were on germination plates for african transki spore prints. Two out of three germ plates triched within a day or two of dropping the spores. I used the same sterile techniques as the five other varieties I've germinated, yet none of the others had this issue, even the ones germed on the same day. For this reason, I have come to assume that it was present on the spore print itself. I've since carried on with the one plate which did not trich out, and the transfers have been vigorous.

None of my shoeboxes have gone green so far. I suppose I'm a bit surprised at that.

I decided that having them with the plants was worth the risk. I think that they have a somewhat symbiotic relationship going as far as CO2 and O2 exchange, and at that the air in the room feels better than outside (it's getting quite polluted here in town).

The colonizing subs and jars do tend to add a bit of heat to the room, but this is manageable since I stop growing indoors in the summer. Around here, 1250 watts of HID can quickly make the room exceed 100F even with a window AC. I decided it's not worth the cost to run the AC, since even with that the plants suffer from the heat and humidity.

I will probably keep growing shrooms through the summmer though, since they don't require such intense light... plus they don't smell like a dead skunk in the middle of the road, so I can open my windows up!

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Spivkurl]
    #25035364 - 03/03/18 07:20 AM (6 years, 3 hours ago)

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Spivkurl said:
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Spivkurl said:
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MT




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Many Thanks?

@Spivkurl, I read yesterday that the soil for potted plants can be a breeding ground for trich and was best to not use plants in the same room where you grow. Have you had any problems?

I like the concept of keeping plants and mushrooms together due to the reasons you suggested but was scared off by what I read.

MT ;-)




Thank you for clearing up the newspeak!

Just as with mushroom cultivation, plants like a pretty clean space and a clean substrate. I try to maintain this as best as I can, though perhaps I've just been lucky. I've started making all my own potting soil from my own compost, which is oven pasteurized. Usually hydroponic is even cleaner mold wise.

The only trich that I've seen in these first few months of mushroom work were on germination plates for african transki spore prints. Two out of three germ plates triched within a day or two of dropping the spores. I used the same sterile techniques as the five other varieties I've germinated, yet none of the others had this issue, even the ones germed on the same day. For this reason, I have come to assume that it was present on the spore print itself. I've since carried on with the one plate which did not trich out, and the transfers have been vigorous.





I just dropped some Transke spores on agar.  No signs of germination yet, nor any signs of contaminates.  The guy I got the print from said no matter what he did, he couldn't get them to germinate.  Fingers crossed that I have better luck.  You said the culture was pretty aggressive?


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: CultiCat]
    #25035431 - 03/03/18 07:55 AM (6 years, 3 hours ago)

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I just dropped some Transke spores on agar.  No signs of germination yet, nor any signs of contaminates.  The guy I got the print from said no matter what he did, he couldn't get them to germinate.  Fingers crossed that I have better luck.  You said the culture was pretty aggressive?




The one plate that did not grow trich is definitely very agressive. The first transfer is almost 100% in just over two weeks (mind you, this is around a four inch diameter PP5). Looks like the germ plate is almost ready to pin after a month... compared to GT, B+ and GWM, which are just now showing signs of pinning on the original plates, after 2 to 2 1/2 months.

I'm liking the look of the mycelium from it, and I hope to get it to cakes today, along with the leucistic golden teacher. Finally have the right pint jars for BRF work, so I get more cake to shoebox stuff going.

EDIT - Oh yeah, the contaminate mold on the two transki plates showed up within a day or two from spore drop. Seems common that certain molds will germinate far quicker than mycelium, so the lack of any signs may be a good thing.

Edited by Spivkurl (03/03/18 07:57 AM)

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Spivkurl]
    #25035571 - 03/03/18 09:20 AM (6 years, 1 hour ago)

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I just dropped some Transke spores on agar.  No signs of germination yet, nor any signs of contaminates.  The guy I got the print from said no matter what he did, he couldn't get them to germinate.  Fingers crossed that I have better luck.  You said the culture was pretty aggressive?




The one plate that did not grow trich is definitely very agressive. The first transfer is almost 100% in just over two weeks (mind you, this is around a four inch diameter PP5). Looks like the germ plate is almost ready to pin after a month... compared to GT, B+ and GWM, which are just now showing signs of pinning on the original plates, after 2 to 2 1/2 months.

I'm liking the look of the mycelium from it, and I hope to get it to cakes today, along with the leucistic golden teacher. Finally have the right pint jars for BRF work, so I get more cake to shoebox stuff going.

EDIT - Oh yeah, the contaminate mold on the two transki plates showed up within a day or two from spore drop. Seems common that certain molds will germinate far quicker than mycelium, so the lack of any signs may be a good thing.




I never did brf cakes at all... Started messing with grain bags that i bought online that were presterilized before I got my pc.  a 50lb bag of whole oats is 13 bucks and that lasts quite a while... also you don't have to take the oats to a cheese grater


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: CultiCat]
    #25035584 - 03/03/18 09:28 AM (6 years, 1 hour ago)

It's more a matter of time, since I can PC a bunch of cakes in 45 minutes. Plus I find it far easier dropping agar wedges to BRF than making LI and putting it too grains. Have had far more trouble with moisture levels on grains than cakes. My main goal is to get clones, which I have already done with B+ and GWM.

I actually really enjoy the process of grating the cakes (it smells so good!), and next time I will be reserving a small amount to drop straight to grains. Had great luck with BRF to grains. After that though, I will be cloning with both pin2grain and pin2agar. I have a B+ pin on rye which is pretty much ready for G2G. I'm finding the process of G2G to be a bit wasteful until I'm expanding a good clone. With the cakes, I can spawn a shoebox and expand to grains simultaneously.

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Spivkurl]
    #25035714 - 03/03/18 10:41 AM (6 years, 18 minutes ago)

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It's more a matter of time, since I can PC a bunch of cakes in 45 minutes. Plus I find it far easier dropping agar wedges to BRF than making LI and putting it too grains. Have had far more trouble with moisture levels on grains than cakes. My main goal is to get clones, which I have already done with B+ and GWM.

I actually really enjoy the process of grating the cakes (it smells so good!), and next time I will be reserving a small amount to drop straight to grains. Had great luck with BRF to grains. After that though, I will be cloning with both pin2grain and pin2agar. I have a B+ pin on rye which is pretty much ready for G2G. I'm finding the process of G2G to be a bit wasteful until I'm expanding a good clone. With the cakes, I can spawn a shoebox and expand to grains simultaneously.




funny you should say that im really struggling with moisture levels with the grains atm, cakes are so much resilient,
got about a 50 percent rate with grain atm, fuck knows were im going wrong but cakes are all good..


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Sutty86]
    #25035930 - 03/03/18 12:22 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

I think, that sort of like cooking food (exactly like it actually), it can have a lot to do with weather conditions when you are prepping the grains. Some foods need a lot of adjustment to turn out when humidity is very high or very low.

My first batch of LI to grains turned out 100%. The second batch was probably less than 50%. The third batch was probably like 50%. Pin to grain and cake to grain has been 100% each time, regardless of the variance in grain moisture levels. Perhaps if I used a syringe to add the LI, then it would be more consistent... which I will probably do soon. I have my first decent looking jar of LC ready as well, just as a side project.

At first, I thought cakes would be a dead end, then I noted that people were taking them to bulk just like grains. Since I can whip up a bunch sterile cakes in an hour or two (minus cooling time), it's nice compared to rinse/soak/boil/strain/cool/dry/jar/PC/cool. Can take some time to make a PC full of rye jars.

Got my AA21 loaded with eleven jars now, for PC in a little while!

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: PsiloSci]
    #25035938 - 03/03/18 12:26 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Beautiful fruits!  :cheers:


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