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P. cubensis from previously unreported states & extended range / climate maps
#25033344 - 03/02/18 10:58 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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hi, i am seeking help/information to update/create new climate data/range maps for p cubensis
at the moment i have made this according to MO and the mushrooms by state list here on shroomery. the Ohio region was added because of these posts and i have been told as long as 10+ yrs ago about cubes being hunted in the same general region as the posts below indicate for ohio
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23720510/fpart/1/vc/1 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23723073/fpart/2/vc/1#23723073
I'm seeking information about WV being on the list, because i can't find any posts about cubes in WV, but that list is up to date afaik.. but I know people who have found them in WV, just can't find it discussed online aside from one post, from another forum and i think it was Tera Alta, WV were the cube was found.
but I'm wondering where else isn't posted about that cubes do infact grow

I also intend to update the climate maps and some of the other maps from here http://www.lycaeum.org/mv/mu/us_shrooms.html http://www.lycaeum.org/mv/mu/_us_shroom_climate_model.html http://www.lycaeum.org/mv/mu/_state_shroom_finder.html http://www.lycaeum.org/mv/mu/_us_cubensis_autumn_climate_model.html http://www.lycaeum.org/mv/mu/us_shrooms_model.html
if anyone wishes to help they are more than welcome!
Edited by catnip40 (03/02/18 11:01 AM)
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Re: P. cubensis from previously unreported states & extended range / climate maps [Re: catnip40]
#25033631 - 03/02/18 12:50 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I seem to recall a thread that claimed they were found in the southernmost part of Virginia as well, not sure if I am remembering that correctly
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Re: P. cubensis from previously unreported states & extended range / climate maps [Re: doctorghosty]
#25033676 - 03/02/18 01:20 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I like how on the map, except for a few rouges, they all respect the state borders. Did not know mushrooms cared about lines on a map.
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Re: P. cubensis from previously unreported states & extended range / climate maps *DELETED* [Re: Chaz08]
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Re: P. cubensis from previously unreported states & extended range / climate maps [Re: stevo]
#25042209 - 03/06/18 06:35 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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doctorghosty said: I seem to recall a thread that claimed they were found in the southernmost part of Virginia as well, not sure if I am remembering that correctly
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stevo said: I do not remember who posted the virginia finds but it was a very long time ago, perhaps in the end of last century when the shroomery was only a year or 2 old. And I do not believe they were abundant either. I think it was around the norfolk area. I saw the pics too, legit cubensis. I'm not all that suprised that on the coast they have naturally occured. In the southeastern most part of virginia it is borderline subtropical. The dismal swamp which is half in virginia, half carolina, is known to have aligators, mostly females that migrate a little bit out of their usual range. Winter, and summer here aren't much colder or hotter than some of the southeast known spots, except that the mildish winter lasts a little bit longer. I bet in west virginia and especially ohio you are more likely to find some other cool Psilocybe, perhaps undescribed before you find cubensis. If a lot of new hunters look at what has been reported and assume cow fields are not worthy, they might not be looking.
I have found that a lot of the more northern most find are reported in horse pastures rather than on cow dung or pastures.
I have also read a long the lines somewhere that cube spores won't overwinter/survive but the mycelium can? (not sure of the credibility or date of the claim, i will try and dig it back up.)
So if that's the case possibly cubes exist in some of these niche type warmer/more humid regions of states, and if the mycelium stays in tact, they possibly could return year after year if the mycelium is there, but they won't spread from sporulation? unless the spores germinate and establish strong enough myc before winter?
I have also saw some member here speculate that cubes may not occur in areas due to not being humid enough rather than being too north or too cold to exist, and that cubes can and will fruit anywhere(? maybe not anywhere, but definitely out of their range..) if there is enough moisture
is there some sort of tool that shows outlier temperature regions within states? to see the warm/more humid niche regions?
I appreciate the information guys, was kinda bummed to only get a few replies
I'll come back and edit this post and provide links to these claims and other stuff, if i can remember :confused
Edited by catnip40 (03/06/18 08:20 AM)
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Re: P. cubensis from previously unreported states & extended range / climate maps [Re: catnip40]
#25042229 - 03/06/18 06:46 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have never seen cubensis grow from horse poo directly like they do in cowpoo. The will however grow in horse poo compost.
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Re: P. cubensis from previously unreported states & extended range / climate maps [Re: Doc9151]
#25042238 - 03/06/18 06:54 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Doc9151 said: I have never seen cubensis grow from horse poo directly like they do in cowpoo. The will however grow in horse poo compost.
Thanks! I'll clarify that in my post when I come back to edit with the links and other information
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Re: P. cubensis from previously unreported states & extended range / climate maps [Re: catnip40]
#25042266 - 03/06/18 07:15 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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You'll also see them emerge in compost piles before you will in the pastures due to compost generating heat as it decomposes
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Re: P. cubensis from previously unreported states & extended range / climate maps [Re: catnip40]
#25042359 - 03/06/18 08:31 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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*i am going to post links from other forums for the sake of information, will delete and quote if needed but i am too lazy at the moment *as well as I am not saying that these posts are credible in any way, just for the sake of compiling anecdotal claims of cubes outside their range and ect
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catnip40 said: I have found that a lot of the more northern most find are reported in horse pastures rather than on cow dung or pastures.
OH: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23720510/fpart/1/vc/1 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23723073/fpart/1/vc/1 very empty claim: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23601719#23601719 PA: https://mycotopia.net/topic/50394-looking-for-wild-shrooms-in-pa/?p=633891 https://mycotopia.net/topic/50394-looking-for-wild-shrooms-in-pa/?p=634995
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Yeah there def is some cubes in Pa. Esp with you saying about horse farms. Next year just take a walk through the fields see what you find. Its def to cold though now to find any good stuff.
WV: https://mycotopia.net/topic/7403-psilocybe-west-virginian-specimens/
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catnip40 said: I have also read a long the lines somewhere that cube spores won't overwinter/survive but the mycelium can? (not sure of the credibility or date of the claim, i will try and dig it back up.)
https://mycotopia.net/topic/50394-looking-for-wild-shrooms-in-pa/?p=635010 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17857162#17857162
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catnip40 said: I have also saw some member here speculate that cubes may not occur in areas due to not being humid enough rather than being too north or too cold to exist, and that cubes can and will fruit anywhere(? maybe not anywhere, but definitely out of their range..) if there is enough moisture
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17857162#17857162
Edited by catnip40 (03/06/18 08:45 AM)
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Re: P. cubensis from previously unreported states & extended range / climate maps [Re: catnip40]
#27856877 - 07/10/22 02:04 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Bumping to see if anyone has any more recent out of bounds cube finds
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Re: P. cubensis from previously unreported states & extended range / climate maps [Re: catnip40]
#27858148 - 07/11/22 01:08 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Someone posted about a cube find in NY here sometime in the last 6 months.
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Re: P. cubensis from previously unreported states & extended range / climate maps [Re: Dandurn777]
#27858169 - 07/11/22 02:24 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Dandurn777 said: Someone posted about a cube find in NY here sometime in the last 6 months.
Thank you!
I believe I found the post you are referring to https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27622541#27622541
I don't want to disagree with Alan's expertise, but I think there are enough out of bounds/northern cube finds to warrant more discussion rather than just say
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Alan Rockefeller said: I imagine someone must have planted some spawn there, as P. cubensis doesn't occur naturally that far north.
One thing to consider is the cattle egret and their relation to cubes. They spread spores and they do migrate north. Although it wouldn't be commonplace I think that cattle egret could potentially explain some of the rare and seldom found northern finds. It certainly isn't out of the realm of possibility that a cattle egret could migrate north and land in a cow/horse or other grazing animal field and spread some spores and if its the right conditions/weather ect those spores could germinate and fruit before winter strikes. If this has taken place they could be considered naturally occurring outliers.
Although this wouldn't really explain the NY find as it appears that was found in January, and I believe the cattle egret migrates north in spring/summer to breed and I assume they would fly back south in the fall/before winter
I do think that planted spawn or escapees from cultivation are more likely but a lot of these reports seem more random than that as well
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Re: P. cubensis from previously unreported states & extended range / climate maps [Re: catnip40]
#27858646 - 07/11/22 12:32 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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my sense is its not winters rather conditions. while yes they may have a week of 95% humidity and 30C.. the chances of that happening when viable spores from a cow moved from texas is low. I suspect the humidity along with consistently warm temps ie 23C at night isnt uber common further north u go. ie even if u go and spread spores in a cow feild in wyoming or manitoba during hot summer, enough rain and consistent temps cubes like are likely to prevent enough myc to grow. possible 100%, but many a person has tried and never hear of success esp BIG success. could u plant spawn in a cow pasture and grow 100% but thats not "natural" way and wont propogate further on its own. I could be wrong but that is just my sense, as folks say spores can handle cold and myc can be frozen and thawed, so why wouldnt cubes be able to grow further north.
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Re: P. cubensis from previously unreported states & extended range / climate maps [Re: the man]
#27858805 - 07/11/22 02:30 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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There's a lot more cultivation going on everywhere, the mushrooms are very smart. Things are slowly getting warmer everywhere. The strains are evolving. They're taking over!
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Re: P. cubensis from previously unreported states & extended range / climate maps [Re: KeyMaker]
#27859376 - 07/11/22 10:02 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Not that this means or solidifies anything but the pinkish area which signifies breeding residents in eastern Ohio is about the area where one of the Ohio cube finds was reported

Here are the threads I'm speaking of https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23723112#23723112 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23720510
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Re: P. cubensis from previously unreported states & extended range / climate maps [Re: catnip40]
#27859639 - 07/12/22 07:22 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Very cool, I love maps. Looks like near Youngstown? Could you explain to a dummy what the difference is between a breeding resident, and a permanent resident?
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Re: P. cubensis from previously unreported states & extended range / climate maps [Re: KeyMaker]
#27859910 - 07/12/22 12:43 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Some populations of cattle egret will migrate north for breeding. I think the breeding season is April-October for north america. Not all populations will migrate for whatever reason. I've read some live migratory lifestyles and others more sedentary lifestyles
I assume the permanent residents would be considered sedentary and just chill where they are all year round
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Re: P. cubensis from previously unreported states & extended range / climate maps [Re: Dandurn777]
#27860266 - 07/12/22 06:32 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Dandurn777 said: Someone posted about a cube find in NY here sometime in the last 6 months.
It sounds as though those were found in a heated cattle shed, so I don't think that climate change is the reason for this. Chlorophyllum molybdites, for example, has been found in the UK as far north a Scotland, well out of it's habitable zone, but only in people's greenhouses. I wonder if the cattle trade in the USA could be a possible vector in the transmission of spores from the south to the north?
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Re: P. cubensis from previously unreported states & extended range / climate maps [Re: Duggstar]
#27860323 - 07/12/22 07:11 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Duggstar said:
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Dandurn777 said: Someone posted about a cube find in NY here sometime in the last 6 months.
It sounds as though those were found in a heated cattle shed, so I don't think that climate change is the reason for this. Chlorophyllum molybdites, for example, has been found in the UK as far north a Scotland, well out of it's habitable zone, but only in people's greenhouses. I wonder if the cattle trade in the USA could be a possible vector in the transmission of spores from the south to the north?
Great thinking with the cattle trade. I hadn't considered interstate cattle commerce. I feel like I was just reading or talking to someone that mentioned cows getting shipped in from Florida to up north somewhere but didn't even think about it further than that
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Re: P. cubensis from previously unreported states & extended range / climate maps [Re: catnip40]
#27860390 - 07/12/22 08:20 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Either way, it’s very interesting to see these species of mushrooms expanding their habitats. I wonder what things will look like 100 years from now with regards to active mushroom habitat? Hopefully many psilocybes can become naturalized all across the USA. 🤞🏼
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