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Please help with advices of creating a fully automated fruiting chamber
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Hi to all of you, I am honored to be here with you. First of all please forgive me for a not so good english. I searched the google and the forum for similar device but I didn't find an understanding solution, so if there are such of you that have knowledge and experience and wish to help me with advices on how to compile such device, and I think  this will be useful for others. Please don't blame me because I am a beginner, noob and is no guilt in having a desire.
So I searched the net and founded two systems of such automated fruiting chambers and because they are unaffordable for me, and I had some of pieces already, I decided to make my one, I read about SGFC and TUBE but they are not automated, and I wanted to use what I have and to combine that two systems, so here they are:

1. 
HydroShroom Mushroom Growing System - HOME KIT!

2. 
Gorilla Mushroom Growing Kit - Fully Automated Mushroom Ecosystem Set and forget

And I have this parts :

1. Pre-wired INKBIRD temperature controller ITC-308 and humidity control IHC-200 temp


2. Vivarium Rain Forest Super Fogger Mist System


3. Metal Square Axial Fan Motor 120mm X 120mm X 25mm Cooling Fans


4. Grease and Carbon Cooker Hood Filters Vent Filters


5. 2 X Pifco Plug In 7 Day 24 Hor Digital Programmable Timmer


6. 10 Litre Vermiculite Grade Hydroponics Grow Medium


7. Interpet Av Air Pump Avmini Fish Tank with filters


8. Digital Reptile Tank Max Min Thermometer and Hygrometer With Remote Probes


9. Clay Pebbles 0.35cu/ft Vitalink Indoor Garden Hydroton


10. Submersible Aquarium Water Heater 300w Fish Tank Thermostat


11. 42L Large Clear Plastic Storage Box


12. Led Grow Light Full Spectrum T5 Tube LED Indoor Lamp Grow Lamps For Plants BE;  LED chip model: 2835;  Power: 6W;  Luminous flux: 300 LM


13. Brown rice flour

14. Glove box

15. IPA 100% Lab Grade Isopropyl

16. 5 L Pressure Cooker




Questions:

1. It is enough all this parts to build something workable or I need to buy more fans for example or another kind of lighting  or more air pumps or some stone tubes because I have only one small round?

2. How to put aeration, I understand that air pump in Hydroton and water is for oxygenation, and fan is for air flow to evaporate water from cakes and remove of excess mist from fogger.
Here I need to know the direction of air flow from fan because I saw some people wrote the air needs to go inside chamber, others the air needs to go from chamber  outside. To put the filter ahead fan to separate chamber and fun or behind. And what timing to put to fan for 15 min every 3 hours or every one hour. How to cool down temperature in case its going to hot, I thought that to connect to INKBIRD temperature controller but in this case how about timing, or I need another fan for this?

3. About heating system, in my house temperature may fluctuate very much so how to maintain a stabile temperature of 22-24 C for Golden Teacher. So Submersible Aquarium Water Heater I thought will solve the temperature needs, but for this is needed Hydroton and water, this is of what I understood from HydroShroom system. Maybe there are alternative ways for heating with my heating system or I need another kind of heating system, maybe some box inside box, I don't know this is why I am asking for your help and advices.

4. If I use Hydroton it can be reused or every time with new growing it had to be changed? I need to sterilize it before use ?

5. Some advice about the connecting all together, what to connect to timers Lighting and interval is 12/12 and fan timing.

6. In HydroShroom in wall of chamber are no holes but in SGFC are many, if to take in consideration the parts witch I have is needed to make some holes, if yes how many about what size? To cover them with surgical tape?

7. Is my pressure cooker fine for fractional sterilization of the BRF jars ?

I think for this moment I don’t have more questions, so I thank you all.

Namaste.

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Re: Please help with advices of creating a fully automated fruiting chamber [Re: dalex4c] * 2
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Go do some reading. The monotub is automated. The sgfc was invented for people who work 12 hour days and also need to shit and sleep.

If you cant manage to brush your own teeth then this hobby isn't for you. Fruiting mushrooms requires less work than brushing your teeth twice a day... Besides that the work up until fruiting you still need time for.

Fractional sterilization is garbage.

You'll never design something that works with 0 growing experience under your belt. Especially something automated.
Your even right now designing it based on what you think the mushrooms want not what actually works or is needed.


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Re: Please help with advices of creating a fully automated fruiting chamber [Re: bodhisatta]
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:whathesaid:

Monotub are automated.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19792837


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Re: Please help with advices of creating a fully automated fruiting chamber [Re: dalex4c]
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These threads sound to anyone whos been growing for a while like.
Hey I want to learn a foreign language all i have to do is rent foreign movies and watch the subtitles, better yet ill do it in my sleep with headphones.

Just doesn't work that way. You get out what you put in

Also both those kits you linked to are trash. Don't base your design off of crap that hardly works for shit.


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Re: Please help with advices of creating a fully automated fruiting chamber [Re: bodhisatta]
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:whathesaid:

You have many questions about your design but you didn't account for it being no good in the first place and you're not going to get help or advice here other than people telling you to ditch the idea and do some reading.

It's complete a waste of time and money. I'm not saying you can't make something like that work, it's just not needed at all.
Mushrooms like simple and the most effective and 'automated' fruiting chambers don't require more than a plastic tote and will very likey work far better than anything a novice may come up with.


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Re: Please help with advices of creating a fully automated fruiting chamber [Re: Josex]
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Drilling a thousand holes in all 6 sides of a plastic tote sux. But I hear it works, along with 5inches of damp perlite, misting a few times per day and fanning.Pretty automated once you build it. I tried a martha greenhouse with a humidifier and a dual air pump with a big tray of perlite for a bunch of cakes and a few trays, I like it. Never built the SGFC, to many holes, the greenhouse is bad was. I keep the door unzipped for FAE,mist and fan. The air pump tubes come up thru the bottom of the bin to the surface of the perlite, moving in fresh air to my cakes. I also put trays in the perlite bin  when I spawn rye berry jars to bulk and they colonize the tray 100%, which i have one going into fruiting any day now. Not sure what this has to do with automated systems.. oh yeah, my indoor greenhouse is  pretty self running, just fan and mist whenever possible. I do have plans on drilling hundreds of holes in a plastic bin eventually, but air pumps solved the issue of FAE, along with the humidifier for 95%plus RH. Soon I will have the chance to prove it works, got 19cakes colonizing as we speak. My lighting is 6000kelvin, it sits on top the outside of the G-house so the humidifier doesn't farg it up. Who wants to drill some holes in case my set up doesn't work? LoL no,I'm sure with the 3 pinning triggers accounted for, it'll be ok

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Re: Please help with advices of creating a fully automated fruiting chamber [Re: Shroomarican]
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Shroomarican said:
Drilling a thousand holes in all 6 sides of a plastic tote sux. But I hear it works, along with 5inches of damp perlite, misting a few times per day and fanning.Pretty automated once you build it. I tried a martha greenhouse with a humidifier and a dual air pump with a big tray of perlite for a bunch of cakes and a few trays, I like it. Never built the SGFC, to many holes, the greenhouse is bad was. I keep the door unzipped for FAE,mist and fan. The air pump tubes come up thru the bottom of the bin to the surface of the perlite, moving in fresh air to my cakes. I also put trays in the perlite bin  when I spawn rye berry jars to bulk and they colonize the tray 100%, which i have one going into fruiting any day now. Not sure what this has to do with automated systems.. oh yeah, my indoor greenhouse is  pretty self running, just fan and mist whenever possible. I do have plans on drilling hundreds of holes in a plastic bin eventually, but air pumps solved the issue of FAE, along with the humidifier for 95%plus RH. Soon I will have the chance to prove it works, got 19cakes colonizing as we speak. My lighting is 6000kelvin, it sits on top the outside of the G-house so the humidifier doesn't farg it up. Who wants to drill some holes in case my set up doesn't work? LoL no,I'm sure with the 3 pinning triggers accounted for, it'll be ok


RH doesn't mean shit.  I've grown shrooms in open air on my kitchen counter.

Surface conditions are everything.



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First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber

The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it :shrug:

Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger!
No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit.

"The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT

Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates)

Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen

Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson

EZEKIEL 23:20

Edited by elasticaltiger (03/18/18 05:54 PM)

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Re: Please help with advices of creating a fully automated fruiting chamber [Re: Shroomarican]
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Shroomarican said:
Drilling a thousand holes in all 6 sides of a plastic tote sux. But I hear it works, along with 5inches of damp perlite, misting a few times per day and fanning.Pretty automated once you build it. I tried a martha greenhouse with a humidifier and a dual air pump with a big tray of perlite for a bunch of cakes and a few trays, I like it. Never built the SGFC, to many holes, the greenhouse is bad was. I keep the door unzipped for FAE,mist and fan. The air pump tubes come up thru the bottom of the bin to the surface of the perlite, moving in fresh air to my cakes. I also put trays in the perlite bin  when I spawn rye berry jars to bulk and they colonize the tray 100%, which i have one going into fruiting any day now. Not sure what this has to do with automated systems.. oh yeah, my indoor greenhouse is  pretty self running, just fan and mist whenever possible. I do have plans on drilling hundreds of holes in a plastic bin eventually, but air pumps solved the issue of FAE, along with the humidifier for 95%plus RH. Soon I will have the chance to prove it works, got 19cakes colonizing as we speak. My lighting is 6000kelvin, it sits on top the outside of the G-house so the humidifier doesn't farg it up. Who wants to drill some holes in case my set up doesn't work? LoL no,I'm sure with the 3 pinning triggers accounted for, it'll be ok


:doublefacepalm:

Or you could just setup a monotub, dial that shit in and go live life.


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Re: Please help with advices of creating a fully automated fruiting chamber [Re: UnsungHero] * 2
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I've said it over and over - if it's more than a box with some holes in it it's probably too complicated, and noobs need not innovate.


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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.

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Re: Please help with advices of creating a fully automated fruiting chamber [Re: elasticaltiger]
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elasticaltiger said:
RH doesn't mean shit.  I've grown shrooms in open air on my kitchen counter.

Surface conditions are everything.




Hey ET, Yeah, I am new here and this is an old thread.  I checked through some of your posts and journal..Do you have a tek on this? It's interesting that this can be done, given all the trouble people go to with monotubs or other containers for maintaining supposed correct conditions. Is it as simple as fruiting to open air once you have a colonized substrate? I'm wondering what else you need to do, and what kind of substrates this would work with.
Pros and cons?
Looks like maybe you fruited directly from a grain jar...?
Thanks!

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Re: Please help with advices of creating a fully automated fruiting chamber [Re: incogneato]
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incogneato said:
elasticaltiger said:
RH doesn't mean shit.  I've grown shrooms in open air on my kitchen counter.

Surface conditions are everything.




Hey ET, Yeah, I am new here and this is an old thread.  I checked through some of your posts and journal..Do you have a tek on this? It's interesting that this can be done, given all the trouble people go to with monotubs or other containers for maintaining supposed correct conditions. Is it as simple as fruiting to open air once you have a colonized substrate? I'm wondering what else you need to do, and what kind of substrates this would work with.
Pros and cons?
Looks like maybe you fruited directly from a grain jar...?
Thanks!


cronicr i think has published some stuff on open air fruiting that you can search for.

they're not supposed correct conditions, they are real correct conditions. creating and maintaining those conditions is what separates the beginners from the experienced growers. it takes time to see and learn it first hand.

people overcomplicate things unnecessarily which makes tubs look like more trouble than they need to be. and a lot of the time when beginners get to fruiting bulk in tubs their inexperience in creating proper conditions or another underlying problem like dirty spawn compels them to respond by fucking with their tubs, making tubs look even more complicated to 'dial in' and master. An unmodified tub requires literally zero work beyond misting once or twice a day. Or not even that.

the reason people use tubs is because they keep moisture in, contams out, and help keep surface conditions within range. Open air is less forgiving.

In open air surface conditions need to be groovy until the pinset is in which can require a little more attending to or a plastic bag on top or something. Casings can also help with this. Once the pins are in they'll mature in low humidity.

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Re: Please help with advices of creating a fully automated fruiting chamber [Re: SpikeSpiegel]
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Yeah, it's amazing that mushrooms manage to grow and fruit all by themselves out in the wild with no help from anybody...  :aliceshocker:


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Re: Please help with advices of creating a fully automated fruiting chamber [Re: SpikeSpiegel]
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SpikeSpiegel said:
cronicr i think has published some stuff on open air fruiting that you can search for.

they're not supposed correct conditions, they are real correct conditions. creating and maintaining those conditions is what separates the beginners from the experienced growers. it takes time to see and learn it first hand.

people overcomplicate things unnecessarily which makes tubs look like more trouble than they need to be. and a lot of the time when beginners get to fruiting bulk in tubs their inexperience in creating proper conditions or another underlying problem like dirty spawn compels them to respond by fucking with their tubs, making tubs look even more complicated to 'dial in' and master. An unmodified tub requires literally zero work beyond misting once or twice a day. Or not even that.

the reason people use tubs is because they keep moisture in, contams out, and help keep surface conditions within range. Open air is less forgiving.

In open air surface conditions need to be groovy until the pinset is in which can require a little more attending to or a plastic bag on top or something. Casings can also help with this. Once the pins are in they'll mature in low humidity.


Thanks, I'll search some of cron's stuff.

I'm not dissing the monotubs at all. Using them now. Just interested to see a grow without a container.

Thanks for the response. Answers some questions!

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Re: Please help with advices of creating a fully automated fruiting chamber [Re: PrimalSoup]
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PrimalSoup said:
Yeah, it's amazing that mushrooms manage to grow and fruit all by themselves out in the wild with no help from anybody...  :aliceshocker:


Funny
I'll take a guess the conditions of those seasons in those particular climates aren't replicated in most of our houses. Not in my geographic region at all.

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