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Re: What % of things are under your control...? [Re: Ferdinando]
    #25025710 - 02/27/18 10:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

meditation is an opportunity for cultivating bare awareness, i.e. being aware without feeding perceptions, just the bare sensing of mental objects, body, position, and breath.

bare awareness is extremely refreshing, but difficult if you don't at least try to practice sitting, but when you do get the hang of it you can do it anywhere, in any position.

it is never exactly the same.

anyway, yah,
when you practice bare awareness, adding nothing, and neither identifying nor resisting, it widens your ability to see things more clearly as they are (less wrapped up in conditioning or perceptions).


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Re: What % of things are under your control...? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #25025915 - 02/27/18 11:50 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

yes and I don't think it's like there is a time after a certain amount of meditation where it's now I've made it

I think it can keep being beneficial

after 1200 hours of meditation approximately it is like your influence skyrockets with approximately 15 minutes of meditation


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Re: What % of things are under your control...? [Re: Ferdinando]
    #25026136 - 02/27/18 01:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

it is almost incredible for mood

15 minutes is like a hit of acid

or 1/4


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Re: What % of things are under your control...? [Re: Ferdinando]
    #25026143 - 02/27/18 01:41 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

how many hours had you meditated when you attained liberation?

I think I have meditated approximately 1200 hours

on a cushion and on sofa

I
bought a cushion
about half a year ago.

I have used it since. 40 minutes a day approximately.
sometimes more.

it is part of (the teaching of)  buddhism, that when liberation has been achieved there is no more to b e done.

before we know it we are 21

and we stay like that until we are 22 and it's not like that any more

you are not really a plant

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redgreenvines and I don't entertain absolutes

I am not really a stone

precious time

everywhere I look money


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Edited by Ferdinando (02/27/18 03:15 PM)


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Re: What % of things are under your control...? [Re: Ferdinando]
    #25026315 - 02/27/18 03:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I never claimed to achieve liberation (relief exists, but liberation - is it real?:shrug:),
Anyway, I do get bare attention frequently,
and yes, it is kinda like 1/4 hit,
but it fades as I get entangled with my baloney, which is mine, and it often pops back when not sitting cross-legged just as a normal way to be.

how many hours? hmmm...maybe 4000 actual lotus sitting hours (not all of it in bare attention, but working with mind does not always go how you want), but I am way way older than you so you have done more sitting in a short time to get yourself together, but also you did more total drugs in less time than me too.


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Re: What % of things are under your control...? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #25026357 - 02/27/18 03:42 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

3/4 of my drug use was drug abuse

is there a way to like undo it or compensate for it?

like as if I filled a glass of water then emptying it?
like as if the water in the glass is screwed up ness and then like meditating it away or something like that


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Re: What % of things are under your control...? [Re: Ferdinando]
    #25026529 - 02/27/18 05:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

time and positive action, you are doing the thing to do.


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Re: What % of things are under your control...? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #25026792 - 02/27/18 07:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Well the obvious funny answer is: Knowing the percentage is not under my control.
Followed by wondering, is it under anybodies?
And lastly, is it even a meaningful question, since no one knows when they will die !!!!!


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Re: What % of things are under your control...? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #25027130 - 02/27/18 09:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
meditation is an opportunity for cultivating bare awareness, i.e. being aware without feeding perceptions, just the bare sensing of mental objects, body, position, and breath.

bare awareness is extremely refreshing, but difficult if you don't at least try to practice sitting, but when you do get the hang of it you can do it anywhere, in any position.

it is never exactly the same.

anyway, yah,
when you practice bare awareness, adding nothing, and neither identifying nor resisting, it widens your ability to see things more clearly as they are (less wrapped up in conditioning or perceptions).




That makes sense, less wrapped up..

Slack, crap, wrap.. aggregates of our individual natures.. needing to know is awareness, and energy of a boundless continuum. Put a wall around that and we have Freemasonry.. coming back and forth..


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Re: What % of things are under your control...? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #25027408 - 02/27/18 11:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

awareness, consciousness, and ratiocination are all synonymous to the same mental processes that act within our brains and the activity of the world.


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Re: What % of things are under your control...? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #25027951 - 02/28/18 07:02 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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awareness, consciousness, and ratiocination are all synonymous to the same mental processes that act within our brains and the activity of the world.



when you are watching a movie or listening to music, your awareness is directed to those sources, your consciousness produces memories of that experience, ratiocination can engage but when it does you may lose the thread of what is happening.
after you have left the "theater" ratiocination is the opportunity for your consciousness to review and critique the entertainments.

each of these things are the result of a functioning brain but they are not each  the same function.


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Re: What % of things are under your control...? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #25028337 - 02/28/18 11:26 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

that's actually true

I would say the reviewing and critiquing has potential or could make the state develop positively
even ad ininitum
if it was a never ending journey


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Re: What % of things are under your control...? [Re: Ferdinando]
    #25028450 - 02/28/18 12:11 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

i am in bare awareness, right now, of my ratiocination being aware of my consciousness and visa versa.

:chakras:

PS: the emoticons are still fucking up?


Edited by akira_akuma (03/02/18 12:25 AM)


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Re: What % of things are under your control...? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #25030661 - 03/01/18 02:04 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So your aware of what your attached to? In a budhhist sense..


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Re: What % of things are under your control...? [Re: sudly]
    #25031405 - 03/01/18 12:41 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

If I found your hand growing in the wild from some alder chips I would eat it.


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Re: What % of things are under your control...? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #25031477 - 03/01/18 01:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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i am in bare awareness, right now, of my ratiocination being aware of my consciousness and visa versa.





Typing with bare attention is possible but what you are describing is a series of concept envelopes (which are mental objects) that contain other concept envelopes.

Bare attention, however, is more of an engagement mode for the mind than a container concept in the stream of consciousness. The pre-communication ritual such as what you described - thinking up something to write/say - is a different activity.

The beginnings of ratiocination, with bare attention, stall under the cultivated flood of body signals before establishing links or resolving as  containers for other mental objects.

if we discuss bare attention, we are discussing concepts and forming mental objects to represent the aspects of it.
Thinking about it (in a series of embedded envelopes or however) is not the same as doing it.


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Re: What % of things are under your control...? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #25031827 - 03/01/18 03:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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BrendanFlock said:
So your aware of what your attached to? In a budhhist sense..



yes.

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
Quote:

akira_akuma said:
i am in bare awareness, right now, of my ratiocination being aware of my consciousness and visa versa.





Typing with bare attention is possible but what you are describing is a series of concept envelopes (which are mental objects) that contain other concept envelopes.

Bare attention, however, is more of an engagement mode for the mind than a container concept in the stream of consciousness. The pre-communication ritual such as what you described - thinking up something to write/say - is a different activity.

The beginnings of ratiocination, with bare attention, stall under the cultivated flood of body signals before establishing links or resolving as  containers for other mental objects.

if we discuss bare attention, we are discussing concepts and forming mental objects to represent the aspects of it.
Thinking about it (in a series of embedded envelopes or however) is not the same as doing it.



we're always doing it...we just aren't always enamored in it.


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Re: What % of things are under your control...? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #25032139 - 03/01/18 05:16 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

hey the pronoun is too vague
"we're always doing it...we just aren't always enamored in it. "
what is it? (ratiocination, mind, awareness, bare attention?)
what does enamored in it mean? (in love? with what? thinking?)


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Re: What % of things are under your control...? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #25032215 - 03/01/18 05:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

True control starts in the mind.


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Re: What % of things are under your control...? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #25032404 - 03/02/18 12:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
hey the pronoun is too vague
"we're always doing it...we just aren't always enamored in it. "
what is it? (ratiocination, mind, awareness, bare attention?)
what does enamored in it mean? (in love? with what? thinking?)




http://www.dictionary.com/browse/enamored

captivated by

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redgreenvines said:
doing it.




"it" being "bare awareness".


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