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Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey (No Longer Recruiting) * 13
    #25028603 - 02/28/18 11:53 AM (6 years, 30 days ago)

Hi!

We are researchers at Johns Hopkins University working on a study regarding the experiences of people who have had encounters with seemingly autonomous entities after taking DMT. This anonymous internet survey involves asking about your experiences with this entity encounter, including the short-term and long-term effects.

If you are interested in participating or would like to know more about the study, please click the link below to the secure study site. We anticipate that it will take you approximately 20-40 minutes to complete the survey. Your participation is completely anonymous.

https://jhmi.co1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_eqvCfk2u19kSzm5

Thanks,
Hopkins Psychedelic Research Team


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: johnclifton] * 2
    #25029387 - 02/28/18 03:36 PM (6 years, 30 days ago)

Define autonomous entities please.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: TNK]
    #25029418 - 02/28/18 03:54 PM (6 years, 30 days ago)

For people that the study does not apply to is their anyway to read the results? Seems like it would be an interesting read.

Edited by Thirdeyewide (02/28/18 03:55 PM)

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: johnclifton] * 1
    #25029419 - 02/28/18 03:55 PM (6 years, 30 days ago)

You should post this in TPE, you might get some more indepth responses.



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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #25029425 - 02/28/18 03:59 PM (6 years, 30 days ago)

Entity? Never heard of em..

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Zachsonpub]
    #25029444 - 02/28/18 04:06 PM (6 years, 30 days ago)

I've taken a few surveys on this site when they come up. They all seem pretty legit. I doubt it's a cop trying to figure out who uses DMT :lol:

And why would the pigs have any interest in these entities that people seem to have contact with anyways?

Sadly I cannot participate, I've never tried DMT yet.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Canadian Jesus]
    #25029450 - 02/28/18 04:09 PM (6 years, 30 days ago)

I've done DMT about eight times but am puzzled by what exactly they want to know.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Canadian Jesus] * 2
    #25029459 - 02/28/18 04:13 PM (6 years, 30 days ago)

Can you put handcuffs on an entity? ..:awenuhuh:


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Amanita86] * 2
    #25029467 - 02/28/18 04:17 PM (6 years, 30 days ago)

He's a prof of psych and behavioral sci at JHMI.  There's a ton of shit online supporting his credibility.  Ya'll got the internet?

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: TNK]
    #25029471 - 02/28/18 04:18 PM (6 years, 30 days ago)

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TNK said:
I've done DMT about eight times but am puzzled by what exactly they want to know.



I’ve always been confused by these one way sterile questionnaires, really all things like this.  The best action is really just cracking a beer and doing some chit chat in TPE or Nexus and actually talking with a person.  Those pre-scripted questions already have you at a disadvantage I would think but, I don’t punch the time clock in those places so maybe they get something from it I’m just not seeing.

In my world I would think if they’re curious they could just blast off and meet the matter at hand in the flesh..


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Amanita86]
    #25029502 - 02/28/18 04:33 PM (6 years, 30 days ago)

Even if he could it's unlikely he could write about personal experience without severe scrutiny/consequence and likely losing his job over illegal drug use.

:shrug:

FWIW, I've never met a "DMT entity" and I've gone pretty deep, likely the deepest being a mixture of lysergamides and DMT. I've been blasted through hyperspace at speeds I didn't know existed, but I never got to meet any self dribbling basketballs or machine elves :crazy:


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Amanita86]
    #25029504 - 02/28/18 04:34 PM (6 years, 30 days ago)

I dislike the study is set up to only talk to people who have perceived entities.

Ive done dmt a boatload of times its cool but theres no entities trying to make contact.

Imagine if there was some entities using dmt to contact us only dmt is worse than dial up because no one ever seems to actually get to be shown anything by these entities

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #25029547 - 02/28/18 04:56 PM (6 years, 30 days ago)

That’s the one thing about science that completely misses the bullseye with these things.  You can’t put it in a cup or a scale, it is completely beyond that.  So trying to “box it in” and somehow contain it, just doesnt work.

@shadows, if he was sincerely curious he could take part and then speak in terms that dont self implicate.  You shouldnt be afraid of what you believe in if its not wrong.  Are we, at our ‘highest levels of seeking understanding’ afraid to seek in first person?

Come on man, again “the system”.  You want to know what a hamburger tastes like?  Eat a hamburger and your knowledge will surpass the man who spent his entire life reading thousands of books about hamburgers.

Just do it :themoreyouknow:


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #25029614 - 02/28/18 05:32 PM (6 years, 30 days ago)

Science becomes more convincing when its quantitated and measured, then assessed via statistical measures. It becomes much more convincing when you have a sample size all saying the same thing versus one random person.

Whether or not it can be captured and in a cup and put on a scale is a matter of opinion. Many disagree and would point to the actual data suggesting that indeed, it can. Similarly, thousands of years ago most humans never would have imagined we'd step foot on the moon.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25029624 - 02/28/18 05:38 PM (6 years, 30 days ago)

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bodhisatta said:
I dislike the study is set up to only talk to people who have perceived entities.






Why's that?

There's countless other aspects of psychedelics that need to be studied, but many are much easier to study individually.

Even the shared experience of entities a couple of times is something that science has no answers for, and to me is more interesting than just about anything else being studied at the moment. In this small poll I made a little while back, 12 out of 18 people reported seeing entities, and 2 out of 4 who had done ayahuasca reported seeing a serpent. Definitely poses some interesting questions.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: badchad]
    #25029628 - 02/28/18 05:41 PM (6 years, 30 days ago)

Good point.

I’m just saying, one could read many reports about people’s visits to Mt Rushmore and know very well where washington’s nose is on the map.  But they could also get in the car and go see it personally to know exactly where it resides within this life.

I suppose if you’re crunching numbers, the reports work in your favor, on paper.  But, you’ll really never know what it really is.  And who better than one of the smart guys who understands all those structures within how they work and catalog?  It would be dope if a terrence or dennis worked for John Hopkins.

Either way, I feel I’m derailing from the origional point so, my blessings to all involved.  There’s gold in them thar hills and I’m glad this sort of thing is an ‘acceptable topic’.  It’s an exciting time.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: johnclifton]
    #25029649 - 02/28/18 05:52 PM (6 years, 30 days ago)

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We anticipate that it will take you approximately 20-40 minutes to complete the survey. Your participation is completely anonymous.




:justno:


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Great Scott]
    #25029705 - 02/28/18 06:11 PM (6 years, 30 days ago)

FUCKING ALIENS, dude they're on to us!

They made MHRB more expensive

They've been putting down all those videos about psychedelic drugs on YouTube!

And now they want to know about these entities that are contacting us while on DMT??

Its too coincidental that a substance makes strangers hallucinate the same shit, people


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Amanita86]
    #25029708 - 02/28/18 06:12 PM (6 years, 30 days ago)

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Good point.

I’m just saying, one could read many reports about people’s visits to Mt Rushmore and know very well where washington’s nose is on the map.  But they could also get in the car and go see it personally to know exactly where it resides within this life.

I suppose if you’re crunching numbers, the reports work in your favor, on paper.  But, you’ll really never know what it really is.  And who better than one of the smart guys who understands all those structures within how they work and catalog?  It would be dope if a terrence or dennis worked for John Hopkins.

Either way, I feel I’m derailing from the origional point so, my blessings to all involved.  There’s gold in them thar hills and I’m glad this sort of thing is an ‘acceptable topic’.  It’s an exciting time.




An exciting time indeed. And due to politics and other BS, it could be a terrible career move(a well as discrediting to your research) for anyone involved in these studies to admit personal use. That certainly doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, though  :cool:

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Mycolorado]
    #25029845 - 02/28/18 06:55 PM (6 years, 30 days ago)

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Mycolorado said:
He's a prof of psych and behavioral sci at JHMI.  There's a ton of shit online supporting his credibility.  Ya'll got the internet?




I think the author is looking for some info on the demographics of people who use DMT and report seeing "entities". Their's actually a lot of research being done right now using psychedelic substances because they closely mimic our body's own nuerotransmitters and so can offer a lot of insight into how the mind works and, to a certain extent, how and why certain mental disorders arise.

Very exciting times we are witnessing here.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Amanita86] * 2
    #25029850 - 02/28/18 06:57 PM (6 years, 30 days ago)

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Define autonomous entities please.




An autonamous entity is an entity you encounter that seems to operate completely independent of your thoughts, emotions, and actions - instead acting on its own will.  Basically, its saying that you experience an entity that isn’t under your “will”.

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You should post this in TPE, you might get some more indepth responses.






For the person who posted this, that means “The Psychedelic Experience” and is another subforum on the Shroomery.
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TNK said:
I've done DMT about eight times but am puzzled by what exactly they want to know.




They want to know if you’ve or if you have not experienced an autonomous entity, and entity that has will other then you’re own.  So even if you’ve done DMT and haven’t had an experience where an entity manifested itself and “seemed” autonomous, still reply.  They need those answers to contrast the people who have had those experiences.

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bodhisatta said:
I dislike the study is set up to only talk to people who have perceived entities.

Ive done dmt a boatload of times its cool but theres no entities trying to make contact.

Imagine if there was some entities using dmt to contact us only dmt is worse than dial up because no one ever seems to actually get to be shown anything by these entities




It is not setup like that - I took the study, and if you haven’t percieved entities it doesn’t discount your experiences and also wants to know what you’ve experienced otherwise.

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Good point.

I’m just saying, one could read many reports about people’s visits to Mt Rushmore and know very well where washington’s nose is on the map.  But they could also get in the car and go see it personally to know exactly where it resides within this life.

I suppose if you’re crunching numbers, the reports work in your favor, on paper.  But, you’ll really never know what it really is.  And who better than one of the smart guys who understands all those structures within how they work and catalog?  It would be dope if a terrence or dennis worked for John Hopkins.

Either way, I feel I’m derailing from the origional point so, my blessings to all involved.  There’s gold in them thar hills and I’m glad this sort of thing is an ‘acceptable topic’.  It’s an exciting time.





It’s a very exciting time, and Amanita86 you bring up a great principle represented well by the parabole of the man in the ivory tower with a book that contains all the information in the world.  This man knows everything about a flower there is to know, yet has never experienced one for himself; the question becomes does this man learn something knew when he finally smells, tastes, experiences a flower for himself?  Is there a certain knowledge that can only be gained through a subjective “taste” of said thing?

Can you ever really know honey without trying it?  Can you ever really know DMT without trying it?  Of course not - Sufi philosophy dictates this clearly as well as many other methods of belief - yet there is still a lot to gain and further science and mass understandings of these substances and the experiences we thusly have from them that to me, personally, are worth spending an entire life trying to uncover, discover, and figure out.

Yes, ideally - a frontier researcher would be someone who has tried these substances for themselves and can retain a subjective and objective view - only merging them for final theorems - yet that is VERY hard as to prevent subjective experience from bleeding in to objective results is tought... actually much science fails very much because of this - because the scientist is so passionate about proving his experiment right, he messes up the experiments, fudges results, subconsciously/unconsciously influences and creates his results and theses.

I agree - very, such exciting times we live in.  I would love to see this discovered in a way we can physically understand in my life.  I hope I can find a greater step to take on this path as I have tried to give as much as I can (not much).

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Typerwritermonky] * 1
    #25030161 - 02/28/18 08:58 PM (6 years, 29 days ago)

Read Radio Free Albemuth before deciding to tell authorities about your contact with other beings.

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    #25030183 - 02/28/18 09:12 PM (6 years, 29 days ago)

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Mycolorado] * 3
    #25030575 - 02/28/18 10:57 PM (6 years, 29 days ago)

I would gladly participate. Please send me some DMT so I can get started on my research.:wink:


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #25030657 - 03/01/18 12:00 AM (6 years, 29 days ago)

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Quote:

TNK said:
Define autonomous entities please.




An autonamous entity is an entity you encounter that seems to operate completely independent of your thoughts, emotions, and actions - instead acting on its own will.  Basically, its saying that you experience an entity that isn’t under your “will”.




I would say the majority of shit I see tripping is far from under my own control.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: TNK]
    #25030691 - 03/01/18 12:52 AM (6 years, 29 days ago)

I've never taken DMT but MDA, psilocybin, salvia extracts, ALD-52, copious amounts of weed. Anything I saw or said must of been there on account I wasn't using those substances. If I had a autonomous entity I'd also be fearful about telling other people about one such character, might as well be the devil and I'm Lorde Satan ruling over it's minions! Or some type of aging disorder, too many wires zapping my brain up there. The autonomous entities might just want to wish me a good nights sleep for some pottassium and whatever else I can feed them. Those glorious free falling days, the ones where I drift when I dream and I ride awake. To be seen without flying, how the mind must gasp when it slowly fades, nothingness... Oblivion.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: johnclifton]
    #25030713 - 03/01/18 01:30 AM (6 years, 29 days ago)

Ive got a friend that ate a haft oz of shrooms while pissed off, he said he saw golden glowing floating liquid beings.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: johnclifton] * 3
    #25030786 - 03/01/18 02:45 AM (6 years, 29 days ago)

I've heard so much talk about "entities" on these boards over the years that I'm pretty shocked that you guys are all reacting as if you've never heard it before. Of course the "entities" are just hallucinations and not real, but tons and tons and tons and tons of people on these forums talk about stuff like "entities" all the time. Not to mention the DMT Nexus is practically filled with discussion of "entities" as if they were alive. Again, it's all just hallucinated BS IMO, but still it's apparently a very common category of hallucination with DMT.

I don't think this study is unreasonable, and you guys are acting insanely immature by making fun of/rejecting it. This is a serious scientific study from JOHN HOPKINS for fuck sake. Get it together people. If you've had any experiences, please take the survey. This is a legit scientific study, so don't sit on your asses.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: johnclifton]
    #25030928 - 03/01/18 05:28 AM (6 years, 29 days ago)

I've done DMT a fuckload of times, but have never come across entities. Ergo, I'm not about to give twenty+ minutes of my life to a study that focuses on that aspect alone.

Now if you were asking about DMT experiences as a WHOLE...


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    #25030947 - 03/01/18 05:49 AM (6 years, 29 days ago)

Yep,
This study is looking for the same people who believe in ghosts and UFOs having actually visited the earth.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25030954 - 03/01/18 06:04 AM (6 years, 29 days ago)

More likely, it's part of a larger effort to document what are experiences that appear to be unique to DMT. There may be neuropharmacological mechanisms that lead to differences among psychedelics, and its a first step toward examining that.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25031065 - 03/01/18 07:15 AM (6 years, 29 days ago)

non-believers dont get to see entities

No aliens for you!


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: JonEveryman88]
    #25031182 - 03/01/18 08:25 AM (6 years, 29 days ago)

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Mycolorado said:
I think the author is looking for some info on the demographics of people who use DMT and report seeing "entities".




Usually, to see whether they are agnostics or have preconceived notions about religion.

From my perspective, it's not something like the Valentine's cupid or the angel, on top of the Christmas tree.



I dislike the term, monsters, because communication is usually non verbal, and they are not in a threatening context.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Canadian Jesus]
    #25031192 - 03/01/18 08:36 AM (6 years, 29 days ago)

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I've taken a few surveys on this site when they come up. They all seem pretty legit. I doubt it's a cop trying to figure out who uses DMT :lol:

And why would the pigs have any interest in these entities that people seem to have contact with anyways?

Sadly I cannot participate, I've never tried DMT yet.




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The police are in the employ of said entities, and have been engaged in an effort to improve the transparency of the entity's control of the Earth's infrastructure. There have been too many breaches in security, and DMT was involved in a high percentage of these events. Investigation was warranted.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Spivkurl]
    #25031248 - 03/01/18 09:17 AM (6 years, 29 days ago)

I wouldn't put it past them, to send some self-deluded person on a wild goose chase.

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    #25031685 - 03/01/18 12:57 PM (6 years, 29 days ago)

What is TPE, if you don't mind me asking? Thank you for the suggestion and interest in the research :smile:

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    #25031698 - 03/01/18 01:02 PM (6 years, 29 days ago)

It's a subforum here on the Shroomery, stands for The Psychedelic Experience. You've got this thread globally stickied though so you're gonna get as many responses as possible from the community on this.


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    #25031727 - 03/01/18 01:16 PM (6 years, 29 days ago)

Some people have trouble telling the difference between drug induced hallucinations and reality.


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    #25031734 - 03/01/18 01:19 PM (6 years, 29 days ago)

whats the difference?

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    #25031740 - 03/01/18 01:21 PM (6 years, 29 days ago)

Good question.

Maybe I'm wrong and reality is nothing but perspective. I use to be big into believing in my profound trips, but as I grew older and tripped more the profoundness faded.


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    #25031775 - 03/01/18 01:36 PM (6 years, 29 days ago)

There is a saying, to test the spirits, also, to test the prophet.

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    #25031862 - 03/01/18 02:16 PM (6 years, 29 days ago)

Hi everyone!

I'm going to try and stay communicative on here and address concerns and comments, but please forgive me if I don't respond to you individually because (luckily) the survey has generated lots of interest!

I just want to thank everyone that has participated so far; we deeply appreciate your interest in the research and overall support, and will certainly let you know when we publish the results. At the very least, we hope that the survey might serve as an uplifting opportunity to revisit and contemplate a profound or unusual experience.

In response to some concerns about the limitations of the survey- we understand that there are of course a myriad of limitations that preliminary studies such as this one have. At the moment there are very few studies that have investigated the subjective experiences of individuals who have taken DMT, and we know that no one single study will ever come close to completely unraveling the complex and mysterious experiences that many individuals have after taking DMT or other psychedelic substances. Nevertheless, we have to start somewhere and we hope that this study will serve as an important step in characterizing and understanding the scope of these experiences among people who take psychedelics, as well as potentially providing unique insights into the nature of these experiences and directing future research.

For those who are skeptical about our legitimacy as a research team or who would like to learn more about our research, feel free to check out the researchgate profiles of the principle investigators on the study, Drs. Roland Griffiths & Alan Davis, below. There you will find their many interesting publications and important contributions to the fields of psychedelic research, neuropharmacology, psychiatry, etc. (the list goes on!).

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Alan_Davis6
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Roland_Griffiths

In the meantime, please feel free to reach out to me with any questions, comments, or concerns via PM on the Shroomery!

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    #25031899 - 03/01/18 02:33 PM (6 years, 29 days ago)

I just want to say thank you so much for all of your hard and often thankless work studying psychedelics.

Studying psychedelics is a difficult and often thankless job, so I really want to thank you and your team for doing such an incredible job on such a hard and controversial subject. Keep up the great work, and know that many of us here are deeply thankful for the time and effort you put into studying psychedelics.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #25031910 - 03/01/18 02:35 PM (6 years, 29 days ago)

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Define autonomous entities please.




An autonamous entity is an entity you encounter that seems to operate completely independent of your thoughts, emotions, and actions - instead acting on its own will.  Basically, its saying that you experience an entity that isn’t under your “will”.

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You should post this in TPE, you might get some more indepth responses.






For the person who posted this, that means “The Psychedelic Experience” and is another subforum on the Shroomery.
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I've done DMT about eight times but am puzzled by what exactly they want to know.




They want to know if you’ve or if you have not experienced an autonomous entity, and entity that has will other then you’re own.  So even if you’ve done DMT and haven’t had an experience where an entity manifested itself and “seemed” autonomous, still reply.  They need those answers to contrast the people who have had those experiences.

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I dislike the study is set up to only talk to people who have perceived entities.

Ive done dmt a boatload of times its cool but theres no entities trying to make contact.

Imagine if there was some entities using dmt to contact us only dmt is worse than dial up because no one ever seems to actually get to be shown anything by these entities




It is not setup like that - I took the study, and if you haven’t percieved entities it doesn’t discount your experiences and also wants to know what you’ve experienced otherwise.

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Good point.

I’m just saying, one could read many reports about people’s visits to Mt Rushmore and know very well where washington’s nose is on the map.  But they could also get in the car and go see it personally to know exactly where it resides within this life.

I suppose if you’re crunching numbers, the reports work in your favor, on paper.  But, you’ll really never know what it really is.  And who better than one of the smart guys who understands all those structures within how they work and catalog?  It would be dope if a terrence or dennis worked for John Hopkins.

Either way, I feel I’m derailing from the origional point so, my blessings to all involved.  There’s gold in them thar hills and I’m glad this sort of thing is an ‘acceptable topic’.  It’s an exciting time.





It’s a very exciting time, and Amanita86 you bring up a great principle represented well by the parabole of the man in the ivory tower with a book that contains all the information in the world.  This man knows everything about a flower there is to know, yet has never experienced one for himself; the question becomes does this man learn something knew when he finally smells, tastes, experiences a flower for himself?  Is there a certain knowledge that can only be gained through a subjective “taste” of said thing?

Can you ever really know honey without trying it?  Can you ever really know DMT without trying it?  Of course not - Sufi philosophy dictates this clearly as well as many other methods of belief - yet there is still a lot to gain and further science and mass understandings of these substances and the experiences we thusly have from them that to me, personally, are worth spending an entire life trying to uncover, discover, and figure out.

Yes, ideally - a frontier researcher would be someone who has tried these substances for themselves and can retain a subjective and objective view - only merging them for final theorems - yet that is VERY hard as to prevent subjective experience from bleeding in to objective results is tought... actually much science fails very much because of this - because the scientist is so passionate about proving his experiment right, he messes up the experiments, fudges results, subconsciously/unconsciously influences and creates his results and theses.

I agree - very, such exciting times we live in.  I would love to see this discovered in a way we can physically understand in my life.  I hope I can find a greater step to take on this path as I have tried to give as much as I can (not much).




Thanks for your support and hope you enjoyed the survey! Valid points to bring up across the board. "Entities" can be a very elusive and subjective term, so if you think you might have encountered anything that you might consider an "entity" or "being" in any form at all after taking DMT, please take the survey!

We are at the very rudimentary stages of the research into DMT, and hopefully this study can serve as an exciting stepping stone for the future of psychedelic research. Feel free to PM me with any comments or concerns :smile:

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: TNK]
    #25032134 - 03/01/18 03:13 PM (6 years, 29 days ago)

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Define autonomous entities please.




Let me help.

Any precieved object that appears to be living and has its own consciousness. For example, an insect being or a jester or lizard or an alien. Typically theres communication, telepathy for example.

Ive tried DMT a couple times, never made contact yet.


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    #25032145 - 03/01/18 03:18 PM (6 years, 29 days ago)

The only time I properly broke through, it looked *almost* exactly like this:



Definitely couldn't tell whether my eyes were open or closed. It was like having my mind forcefully held in the present moment for a couple of minutes.

One of the most amazing experiences of my life.


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    #25032164 - 03/01/18 03:27 PM (6 years, 29 days ago)

So beautiful!

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    #25032176 - 03/01/18 03:30 PM (6 years, 29 days ago)

That type of imagery is what hits right at the beginning for me and I know I'm going in deep when that happens.  Then the waiting room and portal(mckenna's chrysanthemum)...mine is a chrome tripartite with salmon pink/orange around the perimeter .  Often, I'll pass through a series of wormholes, though it's more like I'm the wormhole and end up exiting in what seems to be space and witnessing what looks like a golden mist that I've dubbed "The Pool" and have interpreted as the collection of all the souls or sparks in the universe.  The serpent coil in my sig is a representation of the wormholes I travel through.  Another phenomenon I experience every time i take it is the loop at the beginning...typically the last action I've done before the experience begins (like hitting the pipe and setting it down), repeating itself.  The loop is so real, hyper-real even, to the point that it's like I'm actually doing it again, which leads me to believe that all experiences are relivable/repeatable/time travel is possible and we're likely in a simulation.

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    #25032183 - 03/01/18 03:32 PM (6 years, 29 days ago)

Fuck, now I feel like taking DMT.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25032211 - 03/01/18 03:49 PM (6 years, 29 days ago)

I got the fear..


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Mycolorado]
    #25032367 - 03/01/18 10:09 PM (6 years, 28 days ago)

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That type of imagery is what hits right at the beginning for me and I know I'm going in deep when that happens.  Then the waiting room and portal(mckenna's chrysanthemum)...mine is a chrome tripartite with salmon pink/orange around the perimeter .  Often, I'll pass through a series of wormholes, though it's more like I'm the wormhole and end up exiting in what seems to be space and witnessing what looks like a golden mist that I've dubbed "The Pool" and have interpreted as the collection of all the souls or sparks in the universe.  The serpent coil in my sig is a representation of the wormholes I travel through.  Another phenomenon I experience every time i take it is the loop at the beginning...typically the last action I've done before the experience begins (like hitting the pipe and setting it down), repeating itself.  The loop is so real, hyper-real even, to the point that it's like I'm actually doing it again, which leads me to believe that all experiences are relivable/repeatable/time travel is possible and we're likely in a simulation.





How much is your repeatable experience tied to dose?  I have reoccurring scenes with DMT sometimes, but I don't go through a repeatable loop whenever I blast off. A close friend of mine who is experienced says he goes to the same series of places every time now.


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    #25032549 - 03/01/18 11:52 PM (6 years, 28 days ago)

when feds can track you by the size of your tor browser window while you are surfing dark web with a VPN i doubt that anything on regular internet is really anonymous

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:agentgtfo:


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    #25032877 - 03/02/18 07:06 AM (6 years, 28 days ago)

Pre breakthrough/breakthrough dosage.  Less just gives oev/cev but to the point that I can’t tell if my eyes are open or not and then just wears off....no loading/waiting room or portal.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: lowbrow]
    #25032888 - 03/02/18 07:15 AM (6 years, 28 days ago)

Stellar work. Have no clue how I missed this.

I've never broken through.

I'm gonna have to go back to the beginning and read.

Mycolorado. I feel like I know you more now. Kinda strange. Just from reading that above.

I with you 100 percent on the simulation theory.

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    #25032935 - 03/02/18 07:44 AM (6 years, 28 days ago)

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I just want to say thank you so much for all of your hard and often thankless work studying psychedelics.

Studying psychedelics is a difficult and often thankless job, so I really want to thank you and your team for doing such an incredible job on such a hard and controversial subject. Keep up the great work, and know that many of us here are deeply thankful for the time and effort you put into studying psychedelics.

Thank you. You are amazing.
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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: johnclifton]
    #25033019 - 03/02/18 08:41 AM (6 years, 28 days ago)

This is off topic but if you guys are interested in entities and have some downtime or a day off, get yourself a cup of coffee and a nice chair and take a look into salvia also.  I’m sure you’re familiar but if it’s entities you’re looking for salvia ties at first place with dmt according to my research.

This is not the only ‘world’ you’ve lived in.  :ancientaliens:


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Amanita86]
    #25033043 - 03/02/18 08:55 AM (6 years, 28 days ago)

I experienced entities on salvia. And salvia gives that same looping sensation dmt does but way more intense and real.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #25033050 - 03/02/18 08:58 AM (6 years, 28 days ago)

No entities for me on Salvia either. Just the ultimate heights of weirdness. But it seems to have no purpose to the strangeness of it for me, whilst DMT feels like it has the most pure intent and purpose of any drug I've ever known.


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    #25033057 - 03/02/18 09:03 AM (6 years, 28 days ago)

Most of my out of body experiences were all on yeah you probably guessed it. Never seen entities. And the idea of possibly experiencing something like so really gets me going. Lol. Can't wait to get this train going myself. Plenty of teachers.

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    #25033059 - 03/02/18 09:03 AM (6 years, 28 days ago)

You should try non extract plain leaf.  Different plants have different personalities and when you slam a mass amount into one dose it’s like trying to personally know someone via standing in the middle of an auditorium or city yelling through a microphone, if that makes sense.  Sure you see the people, but there’s no personal exchange.

I’m wondering if perhaps people report the differences between aya and extracted dmt for a similar reason.  Plants within a species are individuals too.


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    #25033075 - 03/02/18 09:13 AM (6 years, 28 days ago)

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This is off topic but if you guys are interested in entities and have some downtime or a day off, get yourself a cup of coffee and a nice chair and take a look into salvia also.  I’m sure you’re familiar but if it’s entities you’re looking for salvia ties at first place with dmt according to my research.

This is not the only ‘world’ you’ve lived in.  :ancientaliens:




We actually just started an inhaled Salvinorin A study! We're examining the effects of Salvinorin A on brain functioning by having participants inhale Salvinorin A in the MRI scanner. Very exciting and interesting study.

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    #25033093 - 03/02/18 09:22 AM (6 years, 28 days ago)

... :manofapproval:

Are there easily found reports from the people partaking?  I’ve seen clips of people talking, like on The Spirit Molecule, but not a condensed group of experience reports that go indepth on the first person experiences.  It would be interesting since I’m sure your product and dosing procedures are most likely a little more ‘precise and controlled’ than your average random internet forum report.


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    #25033094 - 03/02/18 09:22 AM (6 years, 28 days ago)

Sign me up!

Dmt, either smoked, aya or shrooms always gives me the impression that whatever is happening is an extension of my own self.

Whereas salvia, in high enough doses feels like the plant is possessing me. The sensation is the alien enity to me. Because it truly gives me out of this world hallucinations foreign to anything I am aware of.

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    #25033657 - 03/02/18 01:07 PM (6 years, 28 days ago)

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Are there easily found reports from the people partaking?  I’ve seen clips of people talking, like on The Spirit Molecule, but not a condensed group of experience reports that go indepth on the first person experiences.  It would be interesting since I’m sure your product and dosing procedures are most likely a little more ‘precise and controlled’ than your average random internet forum report.




Usually when written into a scientific publication the reports are (probably) much less descript than you'd expect. This is because most publications report statistical details so quite often subjective effects are reported on scales and via questionnaires etc. Participants can be offered an opportunity to write a "free response" description but those are difficult to quantify capture.

The articles look LIKE THIS.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: dmnats] * 1
    #25034064 - 03/02/18 04:31 PM (6 years, 28 days ago)

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Yep,
This study is looking for the same people who believe in ghosts and UFOs having actually visited the earth.







I don't believe in ghosts.


I have seen two "UFOs" in my life (orbs of light), just a few years ago...I'm not at all saying it was aliens, but it was certainly something bizarre. I'm not a UFO/alien nut at all, but I have observed some things with my own eyes that appeared to not be of this planet/man made. Could be a natural phenomena we don't understand yet, could be all sorts of things.







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non-believers dont get to see entities

No aliens for you!






I'm not a believer of anything really. I'm a suuuuper skeptical person.


Even as a kid I never once believed in Santa Clause or any of those sorts of things, not even the slightest bit. I came into this world being very skeptical of things that don't make logical since to me or things that I don't have any direct experience with.


....but I have had a handful of encounters with entities from smoked DMT :yesnod:. I'm not saying or believing they are in fact a separate/autonomous conscious "thing" (though I am open to the idea), but the way the encounters go it sure feels like it :yesnod: , there's usually a communication of sorts going on. I'm open minded and scientifically/logically minded enough that I understand it could just be "my gourd on drugs", but they're some incredibly thought provoking and interesting experiences and usually so gosh darn "real" and convincing. (I've even had an entity tell me a cop was about to pull up in front of the place that my friend and I were smoking the DMT, no more than 1 minute later a sheriff pulls up and sits there for several minutes...even with those experiences I still hold onto doubt, part of me still says "it could of just been purely coincidence"...but it is hard for me to dismiss those occurrences as coincidence)


I too would be super skeptical of such things unless I had direct experience....even after having direct experience, I still hold onto doubt....Or I'll say I don't have any firm belief about what these "entities" are, I simply go into the experience with a silent/observant and open mind, no beliefs or expectations, just simply going into it to observe and see what happens.





Strange strange stuff, though, that's for sure.





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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: openmind] * 2
    #25034421 - 03/02/18 07:20 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: johnclifton]
    #25034428 - 03/02/18 07:24 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

I've done DMT multiple hundreds of times, but according to the criteria, do not qualify to take the survey because I have failed to do "a breakthrough dose."

I've no idea what that criteria actually is meant to establish since it is wholly subjective.  Who is to say when or if you've taken or achieved a "breakthrough dose."  It's a stupid, artificial limitation on the entry criteria for the survey since it calls for a subjective claim to whatever one would consider a breakthrough.

Fuck 'em.  They don't deserve my data point if they can't craft a better threshold survey criteria.


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    #25034507 - 03/02/18 07:55 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

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    #25034786 - 03/02/18 09:39 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

i define breaking though as full dissociation effects with complete dissolving of reality.


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    #25034792 - 03/02/18 09:41 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

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Fuck 'em.  They don't deserve my data point if they can't craft a better threshold survey criteria.




you dont even know if youve had a breakthrough experience yet you want others take your pussy footing seriously?
breaking through is like breaking a bone. you'll know when it happens.. and if you arnt sure? it hasnt happened:shrug:

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    #25034800 - 03/02/18 09:42 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

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i define breaking though as full dissociation effects with complete dissolving of reality.




Interesting. That's what leads me to believe I've never broken through. I haven't gotten to a dissociation state yet. Not like with ketamine


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    #25034801 - 03/02/18 09:43 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

I would never peer pressure someone into trying a drug like salvia
DMT eh I could see why people wouldn't want to do it, even if it's not a total nightmare lol

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: mushboy]
    #25034808 - 03/02/18 09:45 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

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Quote:

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Fuck 'em.  They don't deserve my data point if they can't craft a better threshold survey criteria.




you dont even know if youve had a breakthrough experience yet you want others take your pussy footing seriously?
breaking through is like breaking a bone. you'll know when it happens.. and if you arnt sure? it hasnt happened:shrug:

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    #25034814 - 03/02/18 09:46 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

my only problem is i dont stay for as long as most people seem to....i only dissociate max three or four minutes tops


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    #25034817 - 03/02/18 09:47 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

his point is irrelevant to the survey:shrug:

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    #25034885 - 03/02/18 10:26 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

Lol. Very true. Actually don't listen to me. Lol


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    #25034893 - 03/02/18 10:32 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

That is a bad anology tho. When I broke the growth plates in my fingers I didn't know it till a few days later. I knew something wasn't right.  But I didn't think it was broken by any means.


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    #25035018 - 03/03/18 12:06 AM (6 years, 27 days ago)

There are thousands of alien species and many have visited Earth for a long time. Just because you can't perceive them doesn't mean they don't exist.


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    #25035145 - 03/03/18 03:49 AM (6 years, 27 days ago)

Ive "felt" a sensation of an entity on salvia.

I didnt see it but it felt like "something" was looking at me, kinda like a sixth sense thing. It was odd. I should do more salvia exploring...

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    #25035164 - 03/03/18 04:12 AM (6 years, 27 days ago)

Damn that cop story is crazy!

Im convinced entities are some kind of spiritual being or aliens in UFOs.

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    #25035186 - 03/03/18 04:30 AM (6 years, 27 days ago)

Yeah I've only perceived beings trying to communicate with me a couple times. But the feeling of a "presence" is almost always there, even before the breakthrough. It has been a while though.

Not that I believe there is an actual presence.  I mean, you don't have to be crazy to see things on drugs.

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    #25035247 - 03/03/18 05:40 AM (6 years, 27 days ago)

When I had a homemade ayahuasca brew I had no clue what I was getting myself into.

Laying in bed with all the lights off was the most intense experience I've had, I couldn't know if I was dreaming, hallucinating or if I was awake. I could feel a feminine presence, it made me feel loved at one point and at another point it made me scared. It felt ancient and it was prodding my brain, teasing me with ideas good and bad and some very fucking deranged.

When I started to panic a bit I decided to go on my phone and I was able to distract myself until I fell asleep.

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    #25035280 - 03/03/18 06:07 AM (6 years, 27 days ago)

My wife Traveled the cosmos. Maybe you folks could help me ascertain whAt it was exactly that she was high on. All I can tell you is whAt she told me. And what she tells.me sounds similar to a dmt. Except it was on something sold as E.  But it definitely wasn't mdma or even mda. They were tweetie birds that were in the shape of twettie bird. And a jar was all birds. But they were all different colors.

Anyways I had a weird experience on these rolls at 3. At one point felt like whAt I was doing at that very moment I had done before. Over and over.  Like a hyper de jars vu. And it led me to believe I was outside my body. My wife saw the look on my face and was like how many did u eat.  I tried to say 3 but my hand came up with 3 fingers on it. Then just as soon as it had come it left.  I was back in my body. The hyper de ja vu feeling was the out of body feeling. Anyways my wife ate another one after seeing me and That got her into a unique but basically unresponsive state. Eyes were open. She could make noises. But not formulate sentences. Sometimes maybe a word.

When. She came.back she had totaLly left her body. And not just into the room her body was in. She said to me.  Bub. Don't cry. I as crying historically at that point. But she goes don't cry bub. I'm back. She goes I fell from the tree life. I've been reborn. She goes there was a deep freeze at one point. And there were pod ppl too she said. I forgot that. And she said she was a pod person too. And all the pod ppl fell from the tree of life . She goes it was weird. I'm like babe look where u are. I had her in the tube with ice cubes all over.the place..


Fucking RCs. Being sold as other shut is one of the worst things we as brother and sister can do to one another. I don't mind RCs. Just fucking tell me. Lol.

Oh and my wife speaks of a I don't know if it's a entity. But a presence.  And it had a name Tanya lol. So weird

These rolls in the beginning felt similar to E on lower doses. Higher doses. Anything more then 2 becomes very visual. But not for long. Maybe a hour or 2


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    #25035301 - 03/03/18 06:27 AM (6 years, 27 days ago)

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I find it hard to believe that so many of you have not encountered entities on your journeys! What do you experience if you don't encounter other beings? I frequently encounter a variety of entities, spirits, aliens, and usually experience a type of telepathy receiving messages. My logical brain is inclined to believe that these are all part of the experience, but my heart/spirit wants to believe that these are real, or at least meaningful hallucinations.

I took the survey, but I had trouble only focusing on one experience. I've had so many. Here's a few off the top of my head:

My last experience was with a sort of octopus like god being. It was very dark, and it emanated a supreme power. It was more neutral, slightly more negative. Not evil, but more like an I was an ant, perceiving a human - a potential threat. It didn't really communicate, just radiate an all powerful vibe. I never felt so humbled. I returned from the experience in tears.

I experienced a primary alien with small aliens of the same shape rapidly jumping behind it. It had an angular face, morphing body, limbs, and everything was so rapid. It was holding a box (gift/tool) of some sort. I kept on focusing on the box. I received a telepathic message that the human perception can be hijacked, as we can't look away and take it for what it really can be used for. I failed miserably.

I also was transported to a library/machine of sorts. Tall walls arranged like rows at a library - yellow, orange, and red. Seated at various points on this machine were little workers operating it. They could sense my presence, but it was insignificant compared to the importance of what they were doing. The machine had a sort of rhythm to it. Pulsing, and their actions influenced it. Every few seconds, blocks would turn within it, and a pulsing could be observed. I just observed this for the duration of the experience.

Lots of other "common" experiences with what I call "spirits" usually radiating energy of female, love, etc. They flock to you, and seem to play with you. Sometimes they communicate, sometimes we have a language barrier.






so, you met cthulhu rite there ?

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Yesum] * 1
    #25035306 - 03/03/18 06:33 AM (6 years, 27 days ago)

Sounds kinda like  5-aco-dmt to me.

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    #25035311 - 03/03/18 06:37 AM (6 years, 27 days ago)

They were the weirdest rolls ever. Evrytime id do 1, I'd get a different feeling from it.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: cannabinated] * 1
    #25035335 - 03/03/18 06:58 AM (6 years, 27 days ago)

IMO Don't get into this before you do the survey (if you do it at all):

What is this notion that you couldn't possibly analyze experiences to see if there are patterns that can help elucidate how they may be brought about?

While my encounters have felt very convincing (suspiciously so actually), I think there are plenty of reasons to think they are projections and illusions. I think the entities being projections integrates well with other known psychedelic effects such as synaesthesia.

Two ways such effects can arise may be from (artificial / chemical) stimulation of certain detection circuits in our brains, for example for detection of living beings / a presence or entity, faces (FFA) or eyes. We have evolved to (attempt to) detect e.g. predators in the jungle. The second way is probably more like synaesthesia where there is 'inappropriate' chatter between brain circuits interpreting the signals of one another.
I think this ties into other specialized brain circuits like the cortical homunculus as well, we are highly adapted in our perception of ourselves and others.

We should really use synaesthesia as an exemplary model: it can already explain some more straightforward experiences of one sensation being interpreted as another (like sound as vision) but it gets really interesting if you apply this to more complicated percepts.
If you include emotions or social cues, you can actually form a hypothesis for the perception of auras, is one example.

Telepathic communication (which is also mentioned in the study) can also be explained in this model: rather than communicating at a distance with an entity which seems separate from you this is simply integral communication with a projection in your mind, i.e. not separate at all.

The malleability of the experiences I've had just seems to reflect that it happens in the mind where we have these fluid models.

Actual entities should not be so extremely variable and personal as DMT encounters are.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Solipsis] * 1
    #25035353 - 03/03/18 07:12 AM (6 years, 27 days ago)

Having done the survey now, I found it quite analytical. More about how I felt about what I saw, what I think it actually was and how it has effected me in the long term. Even though there was a small section where I could make explain what I saw, it clearly wasn't an individual psychoanalysis survey.

It'll be good to see the results published, to get a better understanding of how these things effect people and what they think really happened.


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    #25035362 - 03/03/18 07:19 AM (6 years, 27 days ago)

i met inter dimensional pirates........ ive never heard this before.

on a side note i just last night vaporized at least 70 mg in a vapor genie and no enity contact...easily three times what ive had entitys on.


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    #25036150 - 03/03/18 02:27 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

I think once you get to a point, the chemical is essentially just a door bell.  Salvia dosages were wildly inconsistent with results.  There were days when I would pound down the smoke trying to get somewhere only to get the ground base tingles and eye static and then other days hit a 1/4 full pipe of ‘leftovers’ and get rocked, full on transport.  For this reason I refer to salvia as more a burnt offering than it is something like alcohol or cannabis where the exact dose more or less equals an exact effect that you could base trust on.

Sometimes there just isnt anyone home, other days the door is wide open and everyone is invited.  That’s what plays with my mind on the “are they real” debate.  They act just like real lifeforms in that, sometimes they’re happy, other times quiet, you can actually piss them off or make them happy.  Sometimes it’s like they’re too busy to talk and other times jabber on like a monkey in a tree.  It really is a strange thing to get from basically just smoking a plant.  And there’s only a few things like that.

That’s what makes it semi bittersweet about being entirely too smart at this point to ever go deep into datura.  Curiosity has it that I would love to know first hand how those cigarette smoking conversations present themselves, but that’s an entirely different category all together in my opinion.


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    #25036244 - 03/03/18 03:11 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

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I find it hard to believe that so many of you have not encountered entities on your journeys! What do you experience if you don't encounter other beings? I frequently encounter a variety of entities, spirits, aliens, and usually experience a type of telepathy receiving messages. My logical brain is inclined to believe that these are all part of the experience, but my heart/spirit wants to believe that these are real, or at least meaningful hallucinations.

I took the survey, but I had trouble only focusing on one experience. I've had so many. Here's a few off the top of my head:

My last experience was with a sort of octopus like god being. It was very dark, and it emanated a supreme power. It was more neutral, slightly more negative. Not evil, but more like an I was an ant, perceiving a human - a potential threat. It didn't really communicate, just radiate an all powerful vibe. I never felt so humbled. I returned from the experience in tears.

I experienced a primary alien with small aliens of the same shape rapidly jumping behind it. It had an angular face, morphing body, limbs, and everything was so rapid. It was holding a box (gift/tool) of some sort. I kept on focusing on the box. I received a telepathic message that the human perception can be hijacked, as we can't look away and take it for what it really can be used for. I failed miserably.

I also was transported to a library/machine of sorts. Tall walls arranged like rows at a library - yellow, orange, and red. Seated at various points on this machine were little workers operating it. They could sense my presence, but it was insignificant compared to the importance of what they were doing. The machine had a sort of rhythm to it. Pulsing, and their actions influenced it. Every few seconds, blocks would turn within it, and a pulsing could be observed. I just observed this for the duration of the experience.

Lots of other "common" experiences with what I call "spirits" usually radiating energy of female, love, etc. They flock to you, and seem to play with you. Sometimes they communicate, sometimes we have a language barrier.






Thanks for taking the survey- very interesting stories!

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Nature Boy] * 1
    #25036276 - 03/03/18 03:23 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

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I've done DMT multiple hundreds of times, but according to the criteria, do not qualify to take the survey because I have failed to do "a breakthrough dose."

I've no idea what that criteria actually is meant to establish since it is wholly subjective.  Who is to say when or if you've taken or achieved a "breakthrough dose."  It's a stupid, artificial limitation on the entry criteria for the survey since it calls for a subjective claim to whatever one would consider a breakthrough.

Fuck 'em.  They don't deserve my data point if they can't craft a better threshold survey criteria.




Hi! The "breakthrough dose" criteria is basically attempting to establish if our survey participants have taken a dose of DMT that produced strong psychoactive effects. It is indeed subjective because individual responses to the same dose of DMT might vary significantly. Please send me a PM if you have any questions about the criteria or the survey more generally.

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    #25036302 - 03/03/18 03:34 PM (6 years, 27 days ago)

Makes sense.

If the user thinks its a breakthru, then it is. Its a subjective experience and its different for everyone as everyones mind works differently.

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    #25036884 - 03/03/18 08:23 PM (6 years, 26 days ago)

No doubt, I've always gotten pestered by entities in dmt land.

The deal is my smoked or im dmt experiences have largely been unusable and non-integratable with this reality. Same with any of the hard knockers, like salvia. Ayahuasca is awesome, slow integration and application. Chewing a quid of salvia, awesome, you can work with it.

But come on, entities, they're everywhere if you look close enough, it's all layers and layers of Us.

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    #25037749 - 03/04/18 08:55 AM (6 years, 26 days ago)

I always like to think of things in terms of size

Google actually has a nice representation of this. From nucleus to universe. Actually a really cool simulation.

Like how small we actually are.
And now add layers to that. Or dimensions. = perceived reality.
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    #25040007 - 03/05/18 09:13 AM (6 years, 25 days ago)

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IMO Don't get into this before you do the survey (if you do it at all):

What is this notion that you couldn't possibly analyze experiences to see if there are patterns that can help elucidate how they may be brought about?

While my encounters have felt very convincing (suspiciously so actually), I think there are plenty of reasons to think they are projections and illusions. I think the entities being projections integrates well with other known psychedelic effects such as synaesthesia.

Two ways such effects can arise may be from (artificial / chemical) stimulation of certain detection circuits in our brains, for example for detection of living beings / a presence or entity, faces (FFA) or eyes. We have evolved to (attempt to) detect e.g. predators in the jungle. The second way is probably more like synaesthesia where there is 'inappropriate' chatter between brain circuits interpreting the signals of one another.
I think this ties into other specialized brain circuits like the cortical homunculus as well, we are highly adapted in our perception of ourselves and others.

We should really use synaesthesia as an exemplary model: it can already explain some more straightforward experiences of one sensation being interpreted as another (like sound as vision) but it gets really interesting if you apply this to more complicated percepts.
If you include emotions or social cues, you can actually form a hypothesis for the perception of auras, is one example.

Telepathic communication (which is also mentioned in the study) can also be explained in this model: rather than communicating at a distance with an entity which seems separate from you this is simply integral communication with a projection in your mind, i.e. not separate at all.

The malleability of the experiences I've had just seems to reflect that it happens in the mind where we have these fluid models.

Actual entities should not be so extremely variable and personal as DMT encounters are.






In terms of stimulation to the brain providing effects, that's all that our "real" experiences are as well, and using the exact same circuitry. Only difference is the ones we consider real are the ones with an outside physical stimulus that others can also detect.

In terms of evolution/predators, I've always thought that was an interesting idea for why so many people experience serpents/big cats while on ayahuasca.

The FFA idea is one I've considered as well, but in my own experience and many others I've read, the face wasn't a prominent feature or was not detected at all. More of a presence, and far from anything recognizable. Even when recognizable, I've found the form to be more prominent than a face.

One thing that can't be explained is telepathy between nearby people on the same substance. It's not uncommon at all during aya ceremonies, I've experienced it with LSD, TM writes about experiencing it for a month with his brother after an absurdly large dose... the weird part is that it doesn't seem unusual when it occurs, only after when you have time to think and consult with the other person to confirm that it actually did occur.

If the current science behind psilocybin holds for DMT as well, it's not so much random chatter as a disruption in the regular, seemingly controlled chatter. The posterior cingulate cortex connects and reroutes pathways from all of our senses, and helps us to experience reality as something whole and with depth instead of raw input analyzed and experienced at different, independent levels. Many neuroscientists consider it central to the sense of 'self', body location, etc.

If a disruption in that system is what brings about the DMT experience(as is shown in psilocybin fMRI's), then it might not be that signals are mixed up in the brain, it might be that at the point when the drug takes hold, we're experiencing that raw data of what makes up our reality. Instead of being processed through the usual channels, the input bypasses the filter that condenses input from reality(the multiverse?) and gives us a friendly GUI or interactive model that makes survival more likely. Evolution rewards fitness over perception of reality, what we experience when our evolved brain is fully functional is an interactive model that suits evolution, not what is 'actually' there. Tons of examples of this, the easiest surface-level one is why we don't see our nose all the time even though it's directly in our visual field.

Does this mean that what's behind the curtains is what we see on DMT, as opposed to the evolution-suited reality we're used to? Could be, but it's hard for me to believe.  I think evolution is too powerful of a force to allow us to turn back the clock with one inhale. I do think it's possible that DMT is as close as we can get to seeing reality as it is. There's way too much going on for us to see, let alone understand. Some of it is happening consciously and with purpose(entities), much of it is seemingly random and unexplainable.

My mind is far from made up when it comes to this. I just don't see anything in current science that can explain away, or prove, what the experience of entities means. Even if they are in our head so to speak, that only prompts a million more questions of why ingesting a substance that's been found in every living thing it's been tested for in(?) presents us with an illusion where we leave our bodies, merge with the multiversal hyperspace, and communicate with other seemingly living things that take many forms.

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    #25040062 - 03/05/18 09:35 AM (6 years, 25 days ago)

i have had the illusion that the dmt world is more real then the normal world


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i have had the illusion that the dmt world is more real then the normal world



Illusion, or intuition?

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    #25040084 - 03/05/18 09:47 AM (6 years, 25 days ago)

ahahahaha yes ......


in all seriosness though i can have a very visual strong reaction on dmt but do not consider any thing less than complete loss of self/body a breakthrough dose for me

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: feevers] * 1
    #25040098 - 03/05/18 09:52 AM (6 years, 25 days ago)

Don't worry about 'breakthrough' doses IMO. If you took enough to have a full-on encounter with an entity then I would argue this qualifies as a breakthrough experience at least by the apparent definition of these Johns Hopkins researchers. :smile:

@ the previous long poster:


I don't see how there's any way we are 'experiencing raw reality' on DMT etc. No matter how hard chemicals tweak the way the brain works, the model of reality we hold in our mind is still based on our senses and perception mechanisms built for survival.

We make sense of the world in terms of functioning specific for us and somewhat specific for the earth, even in breakthrough trips and dreams we use those themes even if some rules are broken about the way the world is supposed to work. In dreams, the imagination and DMT trips everything more or less seems to be possible.

As far as I can tell what reality is it's a sort of source code and perception of reality depends on perceptual requests: cones in our eyes sensitive to specific wavelengths etc narrow down what we need to see. We derive meaning from that and ultimately a narrative. Even if there was any way to transmit the pure source code information it would not be meaningful and I suppose it would be like 'whiting out'.

I don't even think that happens, I think when we have a sort of white out or other mystical states of consciousness involving non-duality and the like, we still experience our mental state but we may gradually lose differentiation. fMRI of people on acid reveals that it causes a sort harmonization of brain faculties, a sort of melding which explains the aforementioned synaesthesia and - what I believe: - not yet well understood forms of synaesthesia which are at the moment only explained by phenomena like 'auras' and even phenomena which work like synaesthesia but involve cross-chatter of cognitive faculties rather than sensory stimuli.

I agree accounts of telepathy between fellow trippers is not yet explained but I think it eventually will be in ways which agree with both science and the phenomena without degrading the experiences.

In a way I do agree that DMT and similar drugs lift the veil of reality but not in the way you seem to be talking about ^ . I think it reveals our mental model of reality and the inner workings of our sensory faculties and how we try to make sense of it with a stream of consciousness and narrative. However our model of reality is hardly accurate because we only see such a limited part of the spectrum.
If we are able to see a sort of source code it will not be that of actual reality but of our personal mental models of reality. Most people are not aware that this distinction exists.
I see you argue the very same thing: that we are not adapted to see "reality" but instead parts that are relevant to our functioning and survival. The idea that we could experience the whole electromagnetic spectrum is absurd and we really don't have the wetware to do it. We also probably don't want to see other levels of reality like seeing upside down and being overly aware of your nose etc.

At best we may experience such things because psychedelics tend to have effects on our sense of novelty which can cause us to experience things as if it is our first time. Nichols argues this involves the locus coeruleus. Effects of psychedelics may also cause us to divert from trodden paths and consolidated neural pathways but more free activity. Without as much constraint we are much freeer to see beyond routine vision and without hiding things like our nose.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Solipsis]
    #25040206 - 03/05/18 10:57 AM (6 years, 25 days ago)

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I don't see how there's any way we are 'experiencing raw reality' on DMT etc. No matter how hard chemicals tweak the way the brain works, the model of reality we hold in our mind is still based on our senses and perception mechanisms built for survival.




Very true. As I said towards the end of my post, I don't believe that simply taking a substance can turn back the clock of evolution, giving us an experience devoid of the perceptions we've developed. The "raw data" would be an attempt to experience the nature of existence, still with only our senses, but unbound by much of the surface-level filtering the brain takes part in. I see the brain as just another evolutionary representation, not 'real' in a sense but representative of some process that is at work.


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As far as I can tell what reality is it's a sort of source code and perception of reality depends on perceptual requests: cones in our eyes sensitive to specific wavelengths etc narrow down what we need to see. We derive meaning from that and ultimately a narrative. Even if there was any way to transmit the pure source code information it would not be meaningful and I suppose it would be like 'whiting out'.




Certainly possible, but it's hard for me to believe that everything is code yet eyeballs, rods and cones are somehow separate from that code, and are 'real' physical objects, that serve as mechanical detectors, that trigger simple sparks of energy in which exists key ingredients of conscious existence. I'd be much more inclined to believe that none of it exists at all, and is again a representation formed by evolution(possibly a multi-dimensional force) to explain this illusion of reality we experience. In that case, the code itself is an illusion as well. If any of this is true, I have no idea how deep the human mind is even able to go in recognition.





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I don't even think that happens, I think when we have a sort of white out or other mystical states of consciousness involving non-duality and the like, we still experience our mental state but we may gradually lose differentiation. fMRI of people on acid reveals that it causes a sort harmonization of brain faculties, a sort of melding which explains the aforementioned synaesthesia and - what I believe: - not yet well understood forms of synaesthesia which are at the moment only explained by phenomena like 'auras' and even phenomena which work like synaesthesia but involve cross-chatter of cognitive faculties rather than sensory stimuli.




What exactly is our mental state, though? With meditation, it is possible for even beginners to reach states devoid of any sense of their "self"... it doesn't much matter what your past sensory experience is, or even if you're deaf, blind, etc. Experienced practitioners can reach the point where at the neurological level they basically eliminate the startle response and are unresponsive to incoming perceptual stimulation.
A shaman from the Amazon and an american oil CEO can take ayahuasca and have hauntingly similar experiences. Yes, it's all surface-level and tied to what we're able to perceive, but I don't believe that makes it any more explainable. There may be a sense of self that continues to exist beyond the senses we know here, there may be a way of tuning into some 'other', we just don't know.

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I agree accounts of telepathy between fellow trippers is not yet explained but I think it eventually will be in ways which agree with both science and the phenomena without degrading the experiences.



You're much more optimistic than I am :grin:

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In a way I do agree that DMT and similar drugs lift the veil of reality but not in the way you seem to be talking about ^ . I think it reveals our mental model of reality and the inner workings of our sensory faculties and how we try to make sense of it with a stream of consciousness and narrative. However our model of reality is hardly accurate because we only see such a limited part of the spectrum.



Very good point. I don't think we're too far off in what we're saying. I'm not arguing that my theories are correct, only that the science can be applied in ways that make them interesting to ponder.

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If we are able to see a sort of source code it will not be that of actual reality but of our personal mental models of reality. Most people are not aware that this distinction exists.



I feel the same way, but it could be that "actual reality" is something we are intimately familiar with already, and in this realm the only way of experiencing it is through sensory representation, in which DMT/psilocybin can give us as accurate of a picture as we're able to perceive and bring back.

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At best we may experience such things because psychedelics tend to have effects on our sense of novelty which can cause us to experience things as if it is our first time.



Quite often I actually have the opposite effect. I experience realms that seem like places I have a history with, things that are familiar.

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Nichols argues this involves the locus coeruleus. Effects of psychedelics may also cause us to divert from trodden paths and consolidated neural pathways but more free activity. Without as much constraint we are much freeer to see beyond routine vision and without hiding things like our nose.




I always attributed the LC activation by LSD/mescaline to simply account for the stimulant type effects, I never really dug deeper. It'd be interesting to see what else that it could suggest, especially since it appears a similar process takes place with DMT/psilocybin.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: feevers]
    #25040386 - 03/05/18 12:35 PM (6 years, 25 days ago)

It's easy to confuse "reality", any perception, with "consensus", the group density of a perception.

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    #25040478 - 03/05/18 01:27 PM (6 years, 25 days ago)

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It's easy to confuse "reality", any perception, with "consensus", the group density of a perception.



I assume you're talking about qualia, which is always interesting to consider and often overlooked

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    #25040652 - 03/05/18 02:50 PM (6 years, 25 days ago)

It would almost seem as though we have our face in some simulation, almost like the purpose of this ‘class’ is to learn what we do here and then when the class is over we unplug back to where we really live.  Time is an illusion etc.  Upon considering that, a person’s cup runeth over because if infinity is a thing, that is a lot of time to create different classes to just keep on further enriching.

I think that maybe why some people behave as badly as they do.  It’s easy to forget this is just a quick class and actually start believing you’re human.  When you forget where you come from this can be a scary place and appetites run amok.

Psychedelics man, religious sacraments.  Really bad people love when people forget.

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    #25043330 - 03/06/18 03:40 PM (6 years, 24 days ago)

ill share my epic UFO encounter on dmt and mushrooms. but i dont want it to be anonymous and i want OP to actually read it


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
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Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
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I do not know its name; I call it tao.
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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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    #25043346 - 03/06/18 03:47 PM (6 years, 24 days ago)

DMT is the antidote to the compound responsible for the human condition.

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DMT is the antidote to the compound responsible for the human condition.






Im willing to bet theres many chemicals involved responsible for "the human condition"


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    #25043379 - 03/06/18 04:00 PM (6 years, 24 days ago)

You misunderstand...when you take DMT, it acts as the antidote to the shit you're currently on.  When taken, it starts to counteract the initial drug that is inducing the human condition...the entities, often described as mischievous or "in on" some joke that you are not, are actually your buddies in the "true reality" laughing at you as you fish around and start to come out of the human condition trance.  Otherwise, one must ride out the experience until it wears off (death).

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    #25043477 - 03/06/18 04:33 PM (6 years, 24 days ago)

All psychedelic drugs are neuromodulators. Perhaps dmt modulates the figure and identities recognition part of brains hence visualizations that often represent other sentient beings.

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    #25043995 - 03/06/18 08:47 PM (6 years, 23 days ago)

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ill share my epic UFO encounter on dmt and mushrooms. but i dont want it to be anonymous and i want OP to actually read it



I will never forget the fucking aliens crashing into your bedroom. This is up there in the top 10 trip reports ever for me.


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    #25044081 - 03/06/18 09:38 PM (6 years, 23 days ago)

I have such little experience with DMT, though this summer looks promising.I wish you had a mushrooms entity survey because then I could add some worth while information.

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He wants to see what the entities look like.


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    #25044678 - 03/07/18 07:35 AM (6 years, 23 days ago)

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ill share my epic UFO encounter on dmt and mushrooms. but i dont want it to be anonymous and i want OP to actually read it



I will never forget the fucking aliens crashing into your bedroom. This is up there in the top 10 trip reports ever for me.




Hi there! Although the survey is anonymous we will certainly be reading all of the responses so please feel free to get started :smile:

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    #25044779 - 03/07/18 08:42 AM (6 years, 23 days ago)

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ill share my epic UFO encounter on dmt and mushrooms. but i dont want it to be anonymous and i want OP to actually read it



I will never forget the fucking aliens crashing into your bedroom. This is up there in the top 10 trip reports ever for me.





Thanks I don't mean to say my experiences are more meaningful or whatever than anyone else's but that trip I just don't see how I could match..its tied with when I shot 4aco and just above me having sex with an alien on pharmahuasca

But yeah in the spirit of truth it wasn't aliens crashing into my room..it was a golden starship that resembled the mellenium falcon from star wars. It slowly hovered up to my left eye and stopped about 2 feet away. 30 seconds after staring in amazement I went out to slowly touch it and when I was about to it slowly hovered away from my grasp and went back into my wall. I came down and my mind felt literally ripped wide open..like I tore some membrane or something.


Not to mention upon the starships arrival, I or it made it rain outside and soon as it popped out of a vortex from my wall the rain stopped


I make the joke that rappers make it rain at strip clubs and I actually made it rain :lol:


Edit: the ship wasn't really shaped like the mellenium falcon but I compare it to it because what I saw was very machine like and mechanical. It was solid gold and I felt like it knew absolutely everything.


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It's just a shot away..

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    #25045107 - 03/07/18 10:08 AM (6 years, 23 days ago)

Thanks again for everyone's engagement in the study thus far, the team greatly appreciates it. Please feel free to spread the word about this survey to anyone that you think might be interested.

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    #25045704 - 03/07/18 11:47 AM (6 years, 23 days ago)

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ill share my epic UFO encounter on dmt and mushrooms. but i dont want it to be anonymous and i want OP to actually read it



I will never forget the fucking aliens crashing into your bedroom. This is up there in the top 10 trip reports ever for me.




Same!

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    #25045805 - 03/07/18 12:26 PM (6 years, 23 days ago)

Why only DMT? Entity encounters are common with all the traditional tryptamines. Even non-tryptamines like Mescaline.

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    #25045841 - 03/07/18 12:45 PM (6 years, 23 days ago)

Who says there's only one kind of alien trying to communicate with us?

Mckenna believed that mushroom spores were able to survive space travel to become the catalyst of human evolution.

I wouldn't be surprised if these entities we see are actual aliens, but specific to DMT.

My FOAF regularly communicates with entities while on an eighth of shrooms.

It happens once a month, but its consistent to each trip. 

This is why he began to believe in aliens, my FOAF thought that shit was crazy before.


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    #25045932 - 03/07/18 01:19 PM (6 years, 23 days ago)

They have to test a specific claim.

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They have to test a specific claim.




Elaborate

I thought the point was to make sense of entity encounters? How would narrowing it down to just DMT help your data? It lowers the sample size. Also I understand that the  entities of LSD and Mescaline may be different or inconsistent compared to DMT but on Mushrooms people have the exact same encounters. McKenna's supposed "Machine Elves" are just as if not more common on Mushrooms than with DMT.

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    #25045947 - 03/07/18 01:33 PM (6 years, 23 days ago)

imho, the point is to lower the sample size.

To prove that something interesting has happened, in one narrow way.

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    #25046603 - 03/07/18 04:14 PM (6 years, 23 days ago)

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ill share my epic UFO encounter on dmt and mushrooms. but i dont want it to be anonymous and i want OP to actually read it



I will never forget the fucking aliens crashing into your bedroom. This is up there in the top 10 trip reports ever for me.





Thanks I don't mean to say my experiences are more meaningful or whatever than anyone else's but that trip I just don't see how I could match..its tied with when I shot 4aco and just above me having sex with an alien on pharmahuasca

But yeah in the spirit of truth it wasn't aliens crashing into my room..it was a golden starship that resembled the mellenium falcon from star wars. It slowly hovered up to my left eye and stopped about 2 feet away. 30 seconds after staring in amazement I went out to slowly touch it and when I was about to it slowly hovered away from my grasp and went back into my wall. I came down and my mind felt literally ripped wide open..like I tore some membrane or something.


Not to mention upon the starships arrival, I or it made it rain outside and soon as it popped out of a vortex from my wall the rain stopped


I make the joke that rappers make it rain at strip clubs and I actually made it rain :lol:


Edit: the ship wasn't really shaped like the mellenium falcon but I compare it to it because what I saw was very machine like and mechanical. It was solid gold and I felt like it knew absolutely everything.



Yeah man, it's kinda like the time I had a black hole entity come back through from hyperspace and discuss with me telepathically what things were good to eat, we agreed fish were okay too... just not my pet fish. I mean literally. It was there in the lounge room with me, but there was also a fence and all these other creatures penned in there, of which most of them we decided were edible. lol.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Northerner]
    #25048067 - 03/08/18 08:27 AM (6 years, 22 days ago)

I find this thread to be quite interesting. I have had suspicions of themes, that people often (trip) on. Including entities. trip reports and video clips sometimes show evidence of people having conversations with entities. There is a long standing tradition among shamans who employ herbs and fungi to communicate with spirits/ deities.

Although I have not experienced DMT, I had a VERY strong dose and experience with Salvia, that changed how I thought about the herb before I took it, and now after.

I ended up smoking an extraction of salvia that at first severed my control of my body, like a near death experience. I couldn't control breathing, or connect thought to action, to say. .move my arms or legs. But that was not the only thing that I experienced.

what happened next, was one of the scariest experiences of my life. I was then visited by the (spirit) of the Plant. Who I will just Call, (Mother-Salvia). I can remember the conversation I had with her quite well; as this was also a hallmark life changing moment.

She presented herself to me as an Old Native Central American Woman dressed in High-country Guatemalan clothing. She told me, that there are other entities besides herself on the other side of the (veil). Not all of these other beings are positive or have good intentions for humanity. She basicly made it clear to me that Salvia opens a doorway to this other side, and not all things that we see or have contact with while under the influence of Salvia will be good. And what's more, some things can be unleashed from the other side, and haunt or follow us. Causing misery and lifelong metaphysical problems.

She then showed me something to be afraid of, that was similar to these images from Full Metal Alchemist/Anime-Manga. The Door to the veil its self, and glimpse beyond it to where the Great Spirit had banished things to the (dark), Long ago.




Although this all Played out over the course of  a couple mins.,  To this day, I can quite vividly remember her warning to me, that some plants and herbs and fungi, act as a Key to (open the door). These are the tools of the Shaman and they should be respected.

For me, after this experience, I learned that some substances are fine for relaxation and recreation, like cannabis. However, others like Salvia, are Far different and in my opinion are not something for recreation. To me, Salvia falls into a potentially dangerous class of substances that can have unforseen consequences.

I am not sure what else I can add here. I can discuss further thoughts on this topic, if people want in replies, or people can message me in private. I know that my response was not specific to DMT., However I did experience the (presence of an entity), even if it wasn't under the influence of DMT.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #25048197 - 03/08/18 10:11 AM (6 years, 22 days ago)

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... dangerous class of substances that can have unforseen consequences.




salvia is great for recreation. its you thats not ment for the salvia.
whats dangerous about a spooky experience made from your perception?

you are not real anyway. thats what dmt is for. it helped me understand this.

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    #25048203 - 03/08/18 10:16 AM (6 years, 22 days ago)

:breakout:

This reaction to salvia looks pretty dangerous and likely wasn't the intended result.  :shrug:  I've heard plenty of stories and seen plenty of people fuck themselves up while in the salvia trance.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Mycolorado]
    #25048205 - 03/08/18 10:17 AM (6 years, 22 days ago)

me too. i saw myself:uhoh:

best thing to do is sit down and just accept it. nothing bads gonna happen silly gooses!!

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    #25048232 - 03/08/18 10:31 AM (6 years, 22 days ago)

i get up and walk around somtimes on very large doses dmt....but only when incorporating it into a ritual.


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    #25048243 - 03/08/18 10:39 AM (6 years, 22 days ago)

Almost noone else is saying that there is a kind of imaginary terrain. You can talk to coherent personalities, which claim to effect change in the physical world.

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    #25048270 - 03/08/18 10:50 AM (6 years, 22 days ago)

what about being taken over by entities other than yourself?


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    #25048274 - 03/08/18 10:51 AM (6 years, 22 days ago)

:scaryshroom:

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    #25048285 - 03/08/18 10:56 AM (6 years, 22 days ago)

sounds freaky...i just never get a fear response on high dose triptamines.....i think im going to do a trip report on my what ever it was where do i go for that?


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    #25048306 - 03/08/18 11:07 AM (6 years, 22 days ago)

I've never seen anyone move while in the dmt trance....maybe a quick look around as it's hitting but nothing after that until the experience is over.

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    #25048312 - 03/08/18 11:11 AM (6 years, 22 days ago)

nope i get up and do my ritual shit but it like entering another world i even run to the bathroom when i need to puke but last time it was me throwing up into the mouth of an ancient flesh eating aztec god that demanded the contents of my stomach as toll to the jungle which is how  icarecterise the world that takes hold in my mind. this is from going through a half gram over two hours.


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    #25048314 - 03/08/18 11:12 AM (6 years, 22 days ago)

I'm talking smoked DMT.

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    #25048317 - 03/08/18 11:13 AM (6 years, 22 days ago)

being able to get up is the thing. you arent in your body. standing on legs? what are legs?:lolwut:

you have no use for them in that space.

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    #25048321 - 03/08/18 11:16 AM (6 years, 22 days ago)

yes vaporized in a vapor genie....and this is worked into a psuedo voodoo framework where im replaced in all sense of the word by a god....your right when im not in this specific framework im a mutha fuckin puddle

i keep smoking until i breath out fractal clouds and i know its going to take hold hard....several times in a row

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    #25048325 - 03/08/18 11:17 AM (6 years, 22 days ago)

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what about being taken over by entities other than yourself?




Moral free agency is the rule, in exopolitics and mediumship, if not in real life.

In general, if you have been dwelling on some particular problem, they play the role of concierge.

I leave it up to the reader, to determine whether this is a representation of your own mental faculties. 

But, this all happens silently, as you fixate on them. It's all automatic.

You might imagine a sort of thought balloon, like in comic strips. This has pictures inside, and follows all people around, naturally. It grows brighter and more detailed, the more you think about something.

Anyone or anything, in a  visionary, mental state, is able to see your mental problems or dilemmas. These are communicated, nonverbally, spontaneously, as though you were a cuttlefish or lizard, which had reflexively changed colors, based on your mood. Your inward thought life is as important as the work of your hands. There are ultimately no secrets. Also, be the right kind of person, inside. It's not hidden.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: mushboy]
    #25048326 - 03/08/18 11:18 AM (6 years, 22 days ago)

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being able to get up is the thing. you arent in your body. standing on legs? what are legs?:lolwut:

you have no use for them in that space.




Yes, it's conceivably possible to walk upon the terrain of a parallel dimension.

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    #25048328 - 03/08/18 11:20 AM (6 years, 22 days ago)

sure but my physical body was face down on my floor. in my mind i doing all kinds of unreal physical movements.

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    #25048335 - 03/08/18 11:24 AM (6 years, 22 days ago)

so your saying an expirence i can also achieve with achohol+pot in my religious  practice is also a manifestation of my problems as well? im just saying....your probly wrong

i just take an unmeasured pile put it the top of my genie and keep going
then i force myself up and then im not in control of my body any more....im just shoved in the corner while being thanked....somtimes.....


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: mushboy]
    #25048342 - 03/08/18 11:28 AM (6 years, 22 days ago)

Just pay attention, to what you are looking at, right in front of you. Like if you were to hang out with a baby or an animal, and you were focusing on eachother's presence. People are getting hung-up on trivial nuances, but much of communication is non-verbal and with no particular form of etiquette. Say it the way that a nice, mute person would say it.

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    #25049024 - 03/08/18 01:12 PM (6 years, 22 days ago)

Im always amazed at the people who talk about dmt as if its no big deal. They talk about doing it multiple times a day like its nothing. They act as if they are not even remotely afraid or traumatized to do it and just act like its just another 100ug lsd trip.

For me, dmt is a miracle. Its the most amazing and shocking thing i can do to myself and each time i do it my knees shake and im praying to come out okay.

But when its done i always regret thinking that way and im so happy i did it and couldn't understand why i was so afraid.


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    #25049035 - 03/08/18 01:20 PM (6 years, 22 days ago)

True dat.  Lots of posers on these boards.

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    #25049111 - 03/08/18 01:53 PM (6 years, 22 days ago)

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True dat.  Lots of posers on these boards.





I always put members on here on a pedestal. I always assume thry know more than me and have more experience

I think it might be time to stop thinking that way because im noticing now there are lots of posers


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    #25049127 - 03/08/18 01:57 PM (6 years, 22 days ago)

i remember my first beer

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    #25049131 - 03/08/18 01:58 PM (6 years, 22 days ago)

Bet it was a lager.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Mycolorado]
    #25049134 - 03/08/18 02:00 PM (6 years, 22 days ago)

wait man im not a poser just have very strange body chemistry.......mayby you will meet me some day and we can get down on a gram....doesn't that sound fun?
or i guess i can post a video of me doing this? why the fuck would i want the full melt body gone trip again i feel that this more shamanic trip is way better. plus it takes way more to produce the obe type of reaction than when i started this sort of multi daily use


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    #25049149 - 03/08/18 02:08 PM (6 years, 22 days ago)

A gram?!?  This is the type of shit I'm talking about....and why would you presume I was referring to you unless you are a poser?

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    #25049177 - 03/08/18 02:21 PM (6 years, 22 days ago)

back to back blasts are much diferent than single blasts if you havnt tried several back to back then how do you know?

plus i know when im being insulted ....jackass:hank:

yes i could definitely smoke a gram in a day

i mean you should see the horrified looks on my friends faces when i pile out my hits


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    #25049190 - 03/08/18 02:23 PM (6 years, 22 days ago)

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    #25049417 - 03/08/18 02:36 PM (6 years, 22 days ago)

A gram with a vapor genie could be over 30 breakthroughs.

I've typically stopped at 1, but I think it's due to some sort of "respect" I feel I should have for the substance. In theory I see this respect as important but it may also be baseless. I've certainly had the urge to dive back in, even if my body is still wobbly and my mind isn't sure that it can make the trip home the next time.

I just don't know that 5 DMT trips(or more) would be any more powerful or beneficial than just the one. There's certainly nothing on earth more powerful than even a single DMT experience, in terms of lasting impact I think less trips and more integration would have the best results.

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    #25049617 - 03/08/18 02:47 PM (6 years, 22 days ago)

my first one is always very dissociative....all the next ones are like im literally stepping into a different world....


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    #25049626 - 03/08/18 02:51 PM (6 years, 22 days ago)

Lol "poser", feels like HS


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    #25049769 - 03/08/18 03:38 PM (6 years, 22 days ago)

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A gram with a vapor genie could be over 30 breakthroughs.

I've typically stopped at 1, but I think it's due to some sort of "respect" I feel I should have for the substance. In theory I see this respect as important but it may also be baseless. I've certainly had the urge to dive back in, even if my body is still wobbly and my mind isn't sure that it can make the trip home the next time.

I just don't know that 5 DMT trips(or more) would be any more powerful or beneficial than just the one. There's certainly nothing on earth more powerful than even a single DMT experience, in terms of lasting impact I think less trips and more integration would have the best results.





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    #25050207 - 03/08/18 06:24 PM (6 years, 22 days ago)

this more a ritualistic shamanistic framework when i do this kind of high dose anything.  i mean my altar is to Baron Samedi. ive nevr been rode by any thing but him before now


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    #25050295 - 03/08/18 06:57 PM (6 years, 22 days ago)

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    #25050430 - 03/08/18 08:03 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

I tried pm'ing him. No answer


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    #25050435 - 03/08/18 08:06 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

nah im calling into his office... this guy..... Roland R. Griffiths, Ph.D.

i would like to know how i can do this seeing as every one else that has tried this batch of dmt cant stand and have to lay right down 


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    #25050743 - 03/08/18 11:23 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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nah im calling into his office... this guy..... Roland R. Griffiths, Ph.D.

i would like to know how i can do this seeing as every one else that has tried this batch of dmt cant stand and have to lay right down 


ps i dont like being called a liar it hurts my feels





So youre saying because you have a batch of dmt that makes you lay down you need to get in touch with one of the leaders in psychedelic research?


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    #25050766 - 03/08/18 11:50 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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Im always amazed at the people who talk about dmt as if its no big deal. They talk about doing it multiple times a day like its nothing. They act as if they are not even remotely afraid or traumatized to do it and just act like its just another 100ug lsd trip.

For me, dmt is a miracle. Its the most amazing and shocking thing i can do to myself and each time i do it my knees shake and im praying to come out okay.

But when its done i always regret thinking that way and im so happy i did it and couldn't understand why i was so afraid.



For sure brother. Maybe it doesn't effect some other people the same way.

Fear, joy, questions... more

Maybe it's just flashy lights for stupid/immature/trapped people?

I've done it less than 50 times(sessions)... maybe, I guess.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #25051093 - 03/09/18 05:18 AM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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nah im calling into his office... this guy..... Roland R. Griffiths, Ph.D.

i would like to know how i can do this seeing as every one else that has tried this batch of dmt cant stand and have to lay right down 


ps i dont like being called a liar it hurts my feels





So youre saying because you have a batch of dmt that makes you lay down you need to get in touch with one of the leaders in psychedelic research?




no. Becuase i can get up and move around and shit and every one else is coffining through hyperspace with much less dmt than i normaly would use for a blastoff.... i have had the complete seperation of mind and body but now to achieve that i have to smoke insane amounts.


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    #25051195 - 03/09/18 06:34 AM (6 years, 21 days ago)

sword fight at the urinal.


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    #25051196 - 03/09/18 06:35 AM (6 years, 21 days ago)

...maybe your dmt is crap. Do you make it?

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    #25051197 - 03/09/18 06:36 AM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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no. Becuase i can get up and move around and shit and every one else is coffining through hyperspace with much less dmt than i normaly would use for a blastoff.... i have had the complete seperation of mind and body but now to achieve that i have to smoke insane amounts.




So pretty much, you're going to call the PI to say: "hey, even though this may be totally unrelated to the study, let me bother you to tell you how special I think I am."


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: badchad]
    #25051215 - 03/09/18 06:46 AM (6 years, 21 days ago)

well ....
1 other people get the full dmt expirence from the same dmt from the same batch. and there must be a reason why i dont anymore

2 even if its not relevant to the current study it could still be of interest to the head researcher.

3 everyone is special

4 if you dont believe me then what ever...i dont tend to exaggerate when i post as that would be dishonest..... so i guess lets hug it out and put this hostility behind us

5 even when i get a full blast off i still come back in about three minutes.


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    #25051250 - 03/09/18 07:14 AM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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5 even when i get a full blast off i still come back in about three minutes.




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    #25051252 - 03/09/18 07:16 AM (6 years, 21 days ago)

Nah, just some silly kid trying to be cool.  The more he spews, the more evident it becomes.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: mushboy]
    #25051262 - 03/09/18 07:24 AM (6 years, 21 days ago)

but then why does every one else that has tried this dmt goes away for much longer.....mushrooms on average also last a relatively short time for me as well....and its not like there isnt a very strong reaction...i would equate my reaction at 7 or more grams of mushrooms in psychedelic effects and i definitely have ego death.....so thats what im trying to get across is i dont have the same reaction to this dmt as at least 15 other people off the same pulls. its not like im just doing this all by me lonesome. other people all have the big blastoff hyperspacial wowser that is supposed to happen. i take a hits out of the same pile and its easily twice what anyone else has taken....understanding why this happens might shed light on my pre existing mental disorders....or into shamanic mindsets.

my dmt is dark purple under blacklight....

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: psilly the kid]
    #25051285 - 03/09/18 07:49 AM (6 years, 21 days ago)

honestly dude.. get better dmt. if you are truthful and your friends are the ones saying they blast off??..leaving you feeling ..:shrug: sober.. and maybe annoyed.

maybe your '15' friends are the posers dude. and they want to be cool. that sounds more reasonable than ANYONE smoking a gram and still be walking around.


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    #25051315 - 03/09/18 08:03 AM (6 years, 21 days ago)

no i am definatly not sober when i take my hits i just said that the effects on me are comparable to 7 or more grams of P. Cubensis...  do you guys only read half of my posts or something?


also im not fully come down yet when i hit again so i think that plays into it as well. i might just have developed a tolerance which is why im waiting a week to try agian....ill come back here with my results......if i get to blast off all the way then this can most likely be attributed to tolerance.

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    #25051332 - 03/09/18 08:10 AM (6 years, 21 days ago)

DMT comparable to 7grams of cubes??? come on. arnt we supposed to be talking about aliens here? not this silly stuff.

if you said 'dmt felt like 7grams jammed into about a millisecond' then id take you more seriously. but instead chose to tell us you walked around??

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    #25051343 - 03/09/18 08:16 AM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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sword fight at the urinal.





:lolsy:

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    #25051355 - 03/09/18 08:20 AM (6 years, 21 days ago)

not the initial hit.....thats always insane but all the subsequent ones are not even in the same caliber of experience.
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DMT comparable to 7grams of cubes??? come on. arnt we supposed to be talking about aliens here? not this silly stuff.

if you said 'dmt felt like 7grams jammed into about a millisecond' then id take you more seriously. but instead chose to tell us you walked around??

:ancientaliens:





actually this is a great description of a single large dose for me....but multiple doses are very much a different animal... try it sometime...when your able to start being yourself but still under the influence of the spice take the same amount and smoke it....totally different than the single hits that apperently everyone else has expirence with .....if you havent done this multi hit thing then how can you tell me im wrong?or let me put it this wa,y do you know any one who has tried chainsmoking dmt? no? hmmmmmmm.....

its not about how much i can smoke its about the difference in expirence between muli dose and single dose dmt...... i believe any one could smoke like that. im not special.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: psilly the kid]
    #25051370 - 03/09/18 08:26 AM (6 years, 21 days ago)

this is why its illegal:facepalm:

other people read this and get all riled and feared up. dont be part of the problem. break the cycle. peace.

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    #25051372 - 03/09/18 08:27 AM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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    #25051373 - 03/09/18 08:28 AM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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not the initial hit.....thats always insane but all the subsequent ones are not even in the same caliber of experience.
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DMT comparable to 7grams of cubes??? come on. arnt we supposed to be talking about aliens here? not this silly stuff.

if you said 'dmt felt like 7grams jammed into about a millisecond' then id take you more seriously. but instead chose to tell us you walked around??

:ancientaliens:





actually this is a great description of a single large dose for me....but multiple doses are very much a different animal... try it sometime...when your able to start being yourself but still under the influence of the spice take the same amount and smoke it....totally different than the single hits that apperently everyone else has expirence with .....if you havent done this multi hit thing then how can you tell me im wrong?or let me put it this wa,y do you know any one who has tried chainsmoking dmt? no? hmmmmmmm.....

its not about how much i can smoke its about the difference in expirence between muli dose and single dose dmt...... i believe any one could smoke like that. im not special.






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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: mushboy]
    #25051376 - 03/09/18 08:31 AM (6 years, 21 days ago)

well i guees ill just keep my psychedelic experiences to myself from now on becuase i go overboard with almost any drug i do so in the name of site safety ill fuck off back to the WCA and keep my strange shit to myself. still like you mushboy... Bill:nodofunderstanding:


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    #25051484 - 03/09/18 09:23 AM (6 years, 21 days ago)

Potentiation and re-dosing. :shrug:

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    #25051815 - 03/09/18 12:05 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

the dmt nexus says its totally possible to get up on a breakthrough dose of dmt dose......sooo ima trust their knowledge on the subject....seems prudent.


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    #25051836 - 03/09/18 12:17 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

Who cares.  What’s your product look like?

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    #25051838 - 03/09/18 12:18 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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    #25051855 - 03/09/18 12:29 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

Why is this thread in every forum, BTW?

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    #25051867 - 03/09/18 12:33 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

i assume for max people to see it and participate


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    #25051901 - 03/09/18 12:52 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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dark purple in the blacklight




Sounds dirty.  I just popped this under a uv between 320-400nm and the only thing that turned dark purple-ish were the residual, orange-colored fats and waxes from an old batch that didn’t get defatted, the dmt remained white.  I’d be curious to see a pic of what you have and any other’s under uv.


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    #25051908 - 03/09/18 12:55 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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    #25051912 - 03/09/18 12:58 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

thanks  for the pics. i will re x and repeat my dosing schedule so i can know weather my results can be reapeated with cleaner stuffs....i do have some powder that has no purple under blacklight but havnt been smoking that becuase i thought it would be weaker. mayby ill try that too.
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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Mycolorado] * 1
    #25051914 - 03/09/18 12:59 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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Why is this thread in every forum, BTW?



It's globally stickied. Only the Admins can do that.

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You've got a hair in your pot of DMT.

I used to have a pot like that, but fuck me, tiny, powdery crystals compared to those chunks.

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    #25051918 - 03/09/18 01:00 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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    #25052036 - 03/09/18 01:45 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

The hair and weed fragments add an additional dimension to the experience...JK

Standard AB extraction.  I used ph down as my acid as phosphoric acid reportedly works better than acetic.  I'd have to check my notes for specifics but these came from a couple re-x's.  Naphtha as the solvent and precipitated at room temp.  Some other cats on here have some super clean, clear AF crystals.  Here were some of my first batch...pic is old and shitty:


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    #25052044 - 03/09/18 01:48 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

ah i went STB only one re x on the non purple stuff
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    #25052595 - 03/09/18 05:31 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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dark purple in the blacklight




Sounds dirty.  I just popped this under a uv between 320-400nm and the only thing that turned dark purple-ish were the residual, orange-colored fats and waxes from an old batch that didn’t get defatted, the dmt remained white.  I’d be curious to see a pic of what you have and any other’s under uv.





:whoah:Nice!Room temp precip you say?...


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    #25052627 - 03/09/18 05:41 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

I don't know why folks are giving OP such a hard time.  I posted this recently in another thread, but it bears repeating.  Rick Strassman (author of DMT: The Spirit Molecule) found that a full 10% of his test subjects had a blunted or no response to IV DMT.  It's clearly a spectrum, with some folks exquisitely sensitive and others not at all.  OP could be one of the unfortunate folks who has a blunted response to DMT.

There's lots of precedence for this.  Just look at people's responses to other psychedelic substances.  Why would you think DMT is exempt?

Sure...there CAN be other factors...like purity of product or vaporization technique.  But given that other people seem to respond to the same product as expected, I would propose it's the individual variation well documented in the literature at play here.


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    #25052635 - 03/09/18 05:42 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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    #25052646 - 03/09/18 05:45 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

Sorry, room temp on the rx.

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    #25052663 - 03/09/18 05:50 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

:super:

Adding to the thread,I do tend to see or feel entities while on dmt.Never tried to walk around,but once I smoked while sitting in the grass and flopped back harder than I intended.On reflex,I went to sit back up and the entity appeared and wagged its finger at me like "no".:eek:


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    #25052835 - 03/09/18 06:54 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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I don't know why folks are giving OP such a hard time.  I posted this recently in another thread, but it bears repeating.  Rick Strassman (author of DMT: The Spirit Molecule) found that a full 10% of his test subjects had a blunted or no response to IV DMT.  It's clearly a spectrum, with some folks exquisitely sensitive and others not at all.  OP could be one of the unfortunate folks who has a blunted response to DMT.

There's lots of precedence for this.  Just look at people's responses to other psychedelic substances.  Why would you think DMT is exempt?

Sure...there CAN be other factors...like purity of product or vaporization technique.  But given that other people seem to respond to the same product as expected, I would propose it's the individual variation well documented in the literature at play here.





That can only mean one thing....OP is the antichrist

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    #25052902 - 03/09/18 07:22 PM (6 years, 20 days ago)

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #25053280 - 03/09/18 09:37 PM (6 years, 20 days ago)

and im not even op wow and i get mistaken for him
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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: mushboy]
    #25053708 - 03/10/18 05:27 AM (6 years, 20 days ago)

Kettle calling the pot black, eh Bill???  :lol:

Hope all is well with you and yours.  Summer is coming.  Hopefully the opportunity to do some fun personal experimentation out in nature will present.  You know how I love to vaporize DMT sitting in the garden.  :super:


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Nature Boy]
    #25053874 - 03/10/18 07:30 AM (6 years, 20 days ago)

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Kettle calling the pot black, eh Bill???  :lol:

Hope all is well with you and yours.  Summer is coming.  Hopefully the opportunity to do some fun personal experimentation out in nature will present.  You know how I love to vaporize DMT sitting in the garden.  :super:





:lol: got me there

But yeah man I'm so jealous because believe it or not the ONLY time I can remember doing a psychedelic outside was my first time ever when I did LSD with some friends and we decided to go out in the dark and roam the town mid trip. After that it's been me pounding myself indoors and alone nonstop hundreds of times.

The thing with being outside is that I need a place I can really trust and I just don't have that now. Hopefully when I'm your age I will.

But man..you hit the nail on the head with pharmahuasca. That stuff hits the receptors like a knife through butter. I did it my first time about 5 months ago and it was just plain awesome. Now all I want to do is pharmahuasca. I can't wait until i grow some balls and smoke DMT again of course

Things are definitely looking up compared to other opiate filled summers. The last few summers I couldn't even wear short sleeves so I basically stayed inside and got high as heavens but I really want to take it outside this year and really get my 5 year old into nature this year. I feel like I'm ruining him slowly with movies and tv because of the cold weather. In the end I just need discipline and creativity


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: bacillus] * 1
    #25054711 - 03/10/18 03:00 PM (6 years, 20 days ago)

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Why is this thread in every forum, BTW?

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Because its a rare, special event where a qualitative scientific study is being done using the help from the members of the Shroomery.

Its kinda a big deal IMO.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 4
    #25054741 - 03/10/18 03:10 PM (6 years, 20 days ago)

@ Bill:

Nothing "planned", but I've had 3 grams of finely powdered mush powder in a nice block of dark chocolate sitting in a baggie in my underwear drawer for about 8 months now.  Have had the opportunity to nom, nom, nom, but not the balls.  :lol:

I know it's filled with trippy goodness, but shrooms often give me a difficult time - forcing me to confront past decisions, present anxiety, and future woes.  Sucks getting old.  Too much "past" to reconcile, too LITTLE future to accomplish unaccomplished goals, and hell...with Trump in office, EVERYBODY should be worried about the here and now.

That knucklehead seems to be on the wrong side of every issue.  He's taking this country for a ride.  Full speed ahead in the wrong direction.  :facepalm:


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Nature Boy]
    #25055423 - 03/10/18 11:43 PM (6 years, 19 days ago)

Mushrooms have always been a more poignant experience for me as well.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Nature Boy] * 2
    #25055862 - 03/11/18 09:43 AM (6 years, 19 days ago)

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@ Bill:

Nothing "planned", but I've had 3 grams of finely powdered mush powder in a nice block of dark chocolate sitting in a baggie in my underwear drawer for about 8 months now.  Have had the opportunity to nom, nom, nom, but not the balls.  :lol:

I know it's filled with trippy goodness, but shrooms often give me a difficult time - forcing me to confront past decisions, present anxiety, and future woes.  Sucks getting old.  Too much "past" to reconcile, too LITTLE future to accomplish unaccomplished goals, and hell...with Trump in office, EVERYBODY should be worried about the here and now.

That knucklehead seems to be on the wrong side of every issue.  He's taking this country for a ride.  Full speed ahead in the wrong direction.  :facepalm:





Yeah for me mushrooms always give me a very hard comeup. Its so bad that i choose now to give in to it and agree with it...it will start convincing me im a piece of shit and all that and ill just be like "yup..im even worse" and i choose to believe the trip is going to be horrible but in the back of my mind i know i will "resurrect" and have a great trip after the initial comeup

The key is to not fight it. If the mushroom is telling you that you suck, agree with it. I find that works best. It always digs you back up and exalts you. Everytime. 


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #25055950 - 03/11/18 10:33 AM (6 years, 19 days ago)

I once saw 3 little men with turtle shells on their backs all holding this large spanner and they were tightening and loosening a big bolt, true story never seen anything else whilest on dmt.


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    #25056353 - 03/11/18 01:49 PM (6 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #25056448 - 03/11/18 02:24 PM (6 years, 19 days ago)

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Why only DMT? Entity encounters are common with all the traditional tryptamines. Even non-tryptamines like Mescaline.




Hi! While entity encounters are certainly not limited to DMT experiences, this is one of the first studies of its kind and we hope that our results will better inform researchers in the future who want to study the interesting topic of entity encounters more generally. Hope that helps answer your question :smile:

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: johnclifton]
    #25056477 - 03/11/18 02:39 PM (6 years, 19 days ago)

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I tried pm'ing him. No answer




Hey! Sorry about the delay in response, I'll try to answer everyone's PMs as soon as I can.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: johnclifton] * 1
    #25057338 - 03/11/18 10:19 PM (6 years, 18 days ago)

I've had disorienting entity contact on two occasions. Once on salvia and once on dmt.

I didn't learn terribly much from either, and couldn't describe what happened if I tried. I answered the survey as best as I could but my answers won't be as "colorful" as some on here


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    #25059321 - 03/12/18 09:28 PM (6 years, 17 days ago)

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I find this thread to be quite interesting. I have had suspicions of themes, that people often (trip) on. Including entities. trip reports and video clips sometimes show evidence of people having conversations with entities. There is a long standing tradition among shamans who employ herbs and fungi to communicate with spirits/ deities.

Although I have not experienced DMT, I had a VERY strong dose and experience with Salvia, that changed how I thought about the herb before I took it, and now after.

I ended up smoking an extraction of salvia that at first severed my control of my body, like a near death experience. I couldn't control breathing, or connect thought to action, to say. .move my arms or legs. But that was not the only thing that I experienced.

what happened next, was one of the scariest experiences of my life. I was then visited by the (spirit) of the Plant. Who I will just Call, (Mother-Salvia). I can remember the conversation I had with her quite well; as this was also a hallmark life changing moment.

She presented herself to me as an Old Native Central American Woman dressed in High-country Guatemalan clothing. She told me, that there are other entities besides herself on the other side of the (veil). Not all of these other beings are positive or have good intentions for humanity. She basicly made it clear to me that Salvia opens a doorway to this other side, and not all things that we see or have contact with while under the influence of Salvia will be good. And what's more, some things can be unleashed from the other side, and haunt or follow us. Causing misery and lifelong metaphysical problems.

She then showed me something to be afraid of, that was similar to these images from Full Metal Alchemist/Anime-Manga. The Door to the veil its self, and glimpse beyond it to where the Great Spirit had banished things to the (dark), Long ago.




Although this all Played out over the course of  a couple mins.,  To this day, I can quite vividly remember her warning to me, that some plants and herbs and fungi, act as a Key to (open the door). These are the tools of the Shaman and they should be respected.

For me, after this experience, I learned that some substances are fine for relaxation and recreation, like cannabis. However, others like Salvia, are Far different and in my opinion are not something for recreation. To me, Salvia falls into a potentially dangerous class of substances that can have unforseen consequences.

I am not sure what else I can add here. I can discuss further thoughts on this topic, if people want in replies, or people can message me in private. I know that my response was not specific to DMT., However I did experience the (presence of an entity), even if it wasn't under the influence of DMT.

Miss-K





OH DUDE! I just posted that scene from FMA in the pub on a thread called "Rick and Morty trip scene" Those scenes with the Doorway of Truth give me chills every time I've seen it!

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Blipstir]
    #25059606 - 03/13/18 01:57 AM (6 years, 17 days ago)

I'd just like to mention...

We can re-x and re-x to achieve closer to pure DMT which will form pretty crystals, but the yellow goo we could start out with is still ~98% pure and kicks ass in exactly the same way. :wink:


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #25059992 - 03/13/18 07:56 AM (6 years, 17 days ago)

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I'd just like to mention...

We can re-x and re-x to achieve closer to pure DMT which will form pretty crystals, but the yellow goo we could start out with is still ~98% pure and kicks ass in exactly the same way. :wink:




Not to mention the whole NMT factor, and how much of a role that plays in the experience. Many people swear there is a noticeable difference, but the reports between people seem to vary too much to really mean anything. I read a paper awhile back where they had extracted pure NMT and experienced psychoactive effects from it, saying it was short lived and less vivid hallucinations but provided a very noticeable "feel" of hyperspace and entity contact. Since the two typically appear together in nature, I wouldn't be surprised if there are synergistic effects. 

Maybe this should've been a question on the survey as well?

The yellow mix gets me everything I need and more. Also wouldn't be sad if I had the pure instead... doesn't matter to me but I think I'd lean more towards yellow acacia product with NMT  :smile:

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: feevers]
    #25061201 - 03/13/18 05:55 PM (6 years, 17 days ago)

What the hell does this have to do with advanced mycology?


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Khepri]
    #25061360 - 03/13/18 07:24 PM (6 years, 17 days ago)

Is Hopkins gonna put me on the waiting list?


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: MrMoon] * 5
    #25063222 - 03/14/18 02:58 PM (6 years, 16 days ago)

I just completed the survey. What a great place the Shroomery is. This website is responsible for bringing so much positivity to the human species.

Thanks to the Shroomery and thanks to the researchers who pursue psychedelic research. I'm not sure if we will ever understand conciousness or the psychedelic experience but God bless the researchers who study the subject in such a professional and disciplined manner.

Even though we might not explain it we can share data to help psychonauts understand they are not alone in this mystery!


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Headrush] * 2
    #25063358 - 03/14/18 03:54 PM (6 years, 16 days ago)

Well said :congrats:


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Yesum] * 1
    #25064204 - 03/14/18 09:51 PM (6 years, 15 days ago)

This kinda stuff is important. These are the same type of people bringing mdma to treat ptsd :wink:


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: maddchef]
    #25068338 - 03/16/18 10:10 AM (6 years, 14 days ago)

i wish they wouldnt waste money on MDMA and stick to mushrooms, dmt, lsd, peyote and ayahuasca


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 2
    #25068432 - 03/16/18 10:58 AM (6 years, 14 days ago)

Mdma is not a waste of money different compounds different effects... they are all equally important in the evolution of man/womankind.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Khepri] * 1
    #25068505 - 03/16/18 11:21 AM (6 years, 14 days ago)

MDMA changed my life, and probably saved my marriage. I have not used it in nearly a decade, but it's lessons remain with me always.

As far as a synthetic substance goes, it is the best in my experience.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Spivkurl]
    #25068963 - 03/16/18 02:55 PM (6 years, 14 days ago)

What if the elves said "shhhh... uuh..uh..dont tell" of my experience. I am bound to higher agreements.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 2
    #25068995 - 03/16/18 03:06 PM (6 years, 14 days ago)

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i wish they wouldnt waste money on MDMA and stick to mushrooms, dmt, lsd, peyote and ayahuasca






Not a waste.


MDMA has tremendous potential to help folks in ways that classic psychedelics don't. They all have their place and use. Different tools used for different reasons or different circumstances.

MDMA is unique...It leaves the mind crystal clear, allows the person to be totally open and melts away fear/anxiety entirely, it is very useful in therapy for all sorts of reasons.




Have you ever taken actual real MDMA before?






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    #25069339 - 03/16/18 05:39 PM (6 years, 14 days ago)

I'm with you... sounds like a way to Market to us using symbolism that resonates on a deep deep level. Like terrance McKenna said, your expiriences is vital to no one but you.

And openmind I couldn't have said it better, if you haven't expirienced lab verified mdma your missing out. If all of your expiriences are with a substance called "molly" I suggest you rethink your opinion of the substance, because it is truly magical and just as life changing in the correct setting as dmt, ayahuasca...etc


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    #25069555 - 03/16/18 08:00 PM (6 years, 14 days ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
i wish they wouldnt waste money on MDMA and stick to mushrooms, dmt, lsd, peyote and ayahuasca






Not a waste.


MDMA has tremendous potential to help folks in ways that classic psychedelics don't. They all have their place and use. Different tools used for different reasons or different circumstances.

MDMA is unique...It leaves the mind crystal clear, allows the person to be totally open and melts away fear/anxiety entirely, it is very useful in therapy for all sorts of reasons.




Have you ever taken actual real MDMA before?






-OM


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i actually have not despite having many chances too.

im all for mdma research unless it gets in the way of researching classic psychedelics. thats my only point


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #25069690 - 03/16/18 09:05 PM (6 years, 13 days ago)

Yeah you can do the classic psychedelics all the time and not cause any physical harm.


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    #25069784 - 03/16/18 10:02 PM (6 years, 13 days ago)

If you read Tihkal, shulgin states that there are no adverse effects to mdma consumption and all reports have been fabricated by the dea. Plus MDMA was invented in 1912 by Anton Köllisch. I would consider it a classic in my book.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Khepri]
    #25070034 - 03/17/18 12:34 AM (6 years, 13 days ago)

McKenna says it mows down one's dendric ganglions or so ething. He also said we dont know what the ganglions do. Tripping has told me they are brain feelers that are used for subtle but powerful sense-gathering.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: johnclifton]
    #25070080 - 03/17/18 01:20 AM (6 years, 13 days ago)

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Hi!

We are researchers at Johns Hopkins University working on a study regarding the experiences of people who have had encounters with seemingly autonomous entities after taking DMT.




One does not simply *take* DMT

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Fiery]
    #25070348 - 03/17/18 07:57 AM (6 years, 13 days ago)

Yeah mdma does damage to a part of the brain overtime but we don't know if that part or the brain is useful for any important functions or not.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #25072361 - 03/18/18 04:38 AM (6 years, 12 days ago)

I'm probably misreading it but my brain is pretty useful. Lol


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: ServantOfBaphomet]
    #25072467 - 03/18/18 07:19 AM (6 years, 12 days ago)

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McKenna says it mows down one's dendric ganglions or so ething. He also said we dont know what the ganglions do. Tripping has told me they are brain feelers that are used for subtle but powerful sense-gathering.




So, maybe it's like giving your brain a hair cut? :lol:

Many Native American tribes believed was an important part of how we sense and experience the world around us, from what I've read. Even with this in mind, and occasional trim can do a world of good.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #25072487 - 03/18/18 07:34 AM (6 years, 12 days ago)

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im all for mdma research unless it gets in the way of researching classic psychedelics. thats my only point




Being barely over 100 years old, MDMA is quite new compared to the natural psychedelics. There is literally thousands of years of research done on these psychedelics already. If only governments/corporations would support and encourage the lives of tribal cultures, instead of killing their land, their culture, and all of their collected understanding of the world - then these substances would no longer require scientific study. We would know all that we need.

The really sad part about chemical substances invented in the modern era, such as LSD and MDMA, is the distinctions between them and other drugs. As the medical/pharma industry has become more powerful, it has been given leeway to do the tests/research with patients as unwitting subjects. Despite some amount of scientific research, the true destructive effects of many drugs are only found after they have destroyed the lives of those who paid for them in the name of health. Even after this happens, many of these drugs are still available, despite the horrible side effects.

MDMA, on the other hand, was used successfully and legally for marriage counseling in the 1970's. It was mainly when the people took it into their own hands to reap the benefits of it that it became taboo and illegal. This is the last thing that the medical industry wants - people to be able to take care of themselves. It's job security!

Of course, like most other synthetics, once it became outlawed the black market took over. When this happens, money is far more important than helping people. When MDMA is either cut with other various substances, or not even present in the product, then the harm becomes much more drastic. It is unpredictable, since people do not know what they are taking. When combined with the pharmas that people are already prescribed, then the unpredictable situation becomes even worse. This does not require scientific study for harm reduction, but simply a clean and true product available to those who need it.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Spivkurl]
    #25072658 - 03/18/18 09:23 AM (6 years, 12 days ago)

I agree with what your saying, but even synthetic chemicals stem from natural sources and maybe we ended up discovering them do our strong connection to these natural sources. For example
http://today.oregonstate.edu/archives/2015/feb/amber-fossil-links-earliest-grasses-dinosaurs-and-fungus-used-produce-lsd
Even the earliest dinosaurs had a deep rooted connection to the source of lsd, as well as humans, considering grain is one of our biggest and oldest agricultural crops.  Now this does leave the conversation open to question  such as " Are highly refined materials bad for our health mentally and spiritually?"


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Khepri]
    #25072716 - 03/18/18 10:02 AM (6 years, 12 days ago)

Precursors do not produce the effects in humans that the synthetic chemicals produced from them do. I would wager that synthesis is more of a product of capitalist greed, and the tendency to want things to be "bigger, harder, faster, more." Both of these sort of go hand in hand... once you synthesize a product which is active at microgram levels, then it can easily be marketed, cut, and profited from.

LSD in general seems like kind of a fluke in human history. Don't get me wrong, I have loved it, and still would were it available. I do believe that things would have progressed far differently for humans if ergot had the kind of effects that LSD has.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Spivkurl]
    #25073868 - 03/18/18 06:05 PM (6 years, 12 days ago)

After having spent some time seriously experimenting with IV dmt, there are times even years later, where even after having woken up from a dream, where I may feel generally confused, similarly to the dmt experience itself. Sometimes I truly feel like I haven't come back from that trip yet.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: snoot]
    #25074195 - 03/18/18 08:37 PM (6 years, 11 days ago)

I feel this way about my first psilocybin expirience from when I was 12 that was 17 years ago and from time to time the thought will cross my mind that maybe the last 17 years is still just that first trip.

But it's that same expirience that has caused me to be able to see the good when things are rough.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: snoot]
    #25076010 - 03/19/18 05:24 PM (6 years, 11 days ago)

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After having spent some time seriously experimenting with IV dmt, there are times even years later, where even after having woken up from a dream, where I may feel generally confused, similarly to the dmt experience itself. Sometimes I truly feel like I haven't come back from that trip yet.



I can't even begin to truly understand. Just from smoking the stuff it has changed me and brought colours and dimensions into my dream states that were previously impossible.

I really don't think I could bring myself to IV it. I don't know. Unimaginable. I often fight off white outs and struggle with trip amnesia on 40-50mg doses... IV would probably just turn the lights off.

Did you write a trip report?


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Northerner]
    #25076806 - 03/20/18 01:48 AM (6 years, 10 days ago)

One time I ate a gram of around 90% pure deem with full maoi inhibition... absolute truth...



Wheeewwww....


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: ServantOfBaphomet]
    #25076808 - 03/20/18 01:50 AM (6 years, 10 days ago)

It was almost white, but fresh and very bitter. I washed it down with vinegar and wated to break it down (fb).


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: ServantOfBaphomet]
    #25076818 - 03/20/18 02:03 AM (6 years, 10 days ago)

They said "weve got your mind", as I watched countless elves handle the ungodly expansion of my co sciousness that was a raging caliope whirlpool.
On the way down in 4 hours, tho. Always 4 with eaten deam, 6 for mushrooms, 8 for l, to be on the way down.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: ServantOfBaphomet]
    #25077397 - 03/20/18 10:38 AM (6 years, 10 days ago)

Did I break the thread?
I made the deem and weighed it out on a miligram scale. I didn't respond to up to 50mg with maois, so I figured the head needed to be blown open so I could reduce natural tolerance. I can now go balls to the wall on 35mg +maoi.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: ServantOfBaphomet]
    #25079159 - 03/21/18 01:23 AM (6 years, 9 days ago)

I don't plan on doing DMT. I want to experience it naturally when I die. I've had some crazy put of body experiences on that and LSD


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    #25080115 - 03/21/18 01:50 PM (6 years, 9 days ago)

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I don't plan on doing DMT. I want to experience it naturally when I die.....






How do you know you'll have a DMT experience when you die?

How do you know that's what happens when one dies?

...or are you just assuming & hoping that's what happens? If so, I'm curious where you got those assumptions from?




What if you die from getting your head smashed or some other severe physical trauma? How are you going to have a "natural DMT experience" if the brain is torn apart & splattered about into a puddle of blood & flesh?









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....I've had some crazy put of body experiences on that and LSD






So you have done DMT before?

What do you mean? What is is "that"?










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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: openmind]
    #25080266 - 03/21/18 03:02 PM (6 years, 9 days ago)

"Mystics" who make a lot of money "mystifying", will always be caught in redundant lies.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: openmind]
    #25080294 - 03/21/18 03:16 PM (6 years, 9 days ago)

I don't know why it auto corrected shrooms to the word "that. It's suppose to be shrooms and LSD. If I were to die from any cause I'd be ok with it. I would preferably like to not have my brain smashed so I could experience it. There have been a few articles from God knows where (I don't keep up on DMT related news so what a read was years ago) that stated how it is said that the penile gland in the brain will release all of the DMT into one's brain when death comes. Again though there are many factors that might prevent that from happening. Either way I'm fine not trying DMT because I've tripped hard enough to experience a complete out of body experience which is pretty much where I'm fine staying at.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #25080321 - 03/21/18 03:30 PM (6 years, 9 days ago)

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I don't know why it auto corrected shrooms to the word "that. It's suppose to be shrooms and LSD.






Oh...I gotcha.







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There have been a few articles from God knows where (I don't keep up on DMT related news so what a read was years ago) that stated how it is said that the penile gland in the brain will release all of the DMT into one's brain when death comes....






So you take some random articles online as being absolute truth? How do they know? How did they come to the conclusion that DMT is released upon death? How do they know DMT is produced/stored/released from the pineal? None of that has been proven, it's all random/wild speculation and not factual.


I'm sorry, but there's absolutely no proof or anything that shows DMT is released upon death. There's no proof that DMT is stored or produced in the pineal gland. I'm totally open to the idea of and I do feel that DMT is indeed something "special"/"magical" & plays a role in something :yesnod:, and that the pineal may be as well, but there's no solid evidence backing any of that up yet.


I wouldn't take random articles online as being absolute fact/truth.







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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: openmind]
    #25080334 - 03/21/18 03:39 PM (6 years, 9 days ago)

I believe he may be referring to the research done by Dr. Strassman.

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