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Potency Question
    #25022969 - 02/26/18 12:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Over the weekend I harvested 35 g (wet) from one of my brf cakes. I ate around 20 g, and felt only very mild effects.

A friend ate the remainder, and reported not feeling much of anything.

It was my friend's first time. I've had shrooms on several occasions before.

I'm wondering why such a mild effect from what is about 2 g dry.

I harvested only a few from the cake, all of which had their veils torn.

Any ideas? I've had shrooms I bought from someone else a long time ago. I recall taking a similar amount (2g) and feeling a much more intense trip. What accounts for potency? How can I increase it?

Did I harvest too early? Should I dry them out before eating?


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Re: Potency Question [Re: delirrr]
    #25023328 - 02/26/18 12:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Multi spore?

Ms is usually fairly weak.  Seems like a lot fresh but it's not.


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Re: Potency Question [Re: Morel Guy]
    #25023383 - 02/26/18 12:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, multispore syringe... vendor listed as Cambodian variety. Was excited to get to fruiting stage. Somewhat disappointed with potency.

I've read around a bit now... people have said it varies from mushroom to mushroom, cake to cake for multispore.

So... it's just random then? What's my best bet here. Next time I eat, I'd like a stronger trip. Eat more? Dry first? :frown:


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Re: Potency Question [Re: delirrr]
    #25024570 - 02/26/18 08:02 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I have had similar results for multispore syringes I bought too. I grew a lot of several types of cubes and none I have tried yet are very strong.

tried fresh once and had a great trip on 35g, glad I did not eat much more. Seamed stronger than 3.5g dry.

I mostly make tea from dry - I really don't waste a trip on less than 4g. 5g is not too much certainly not a "hero dose". Last 3 times 7g was great. Saturday I tried 10g and was up all night but did not freak out or think it was too much.


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Re: Potency Question [Re: Hush]
    #25024658 - 02/26/18 08:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Try lc or plates.

Basically isolate good cultures and propgate those.

Sorta like pheno hunting for the holy grail ganja!


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Re: Potency Question [Re: delirrr]
    #25025669 - 02/27/18 09:46 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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delirrr said:
Over the weekend I harvested 35 g (wet) from one of my brf cakes. I ate around 20 g, and felt only very mild effects.

A friend ate the remainder, and reported not feeling much of anything.

It was my friend's first time. I've had shrooms on several occasions before.

I'm wondering why such a mild effect from what is about 2 g dry.

I harvested only a few from the cake, all of which had their veils torn.

Any ideas? I've had shrooms I bought from someone else a long time ago. I recall taking a similar amount (2g) and feeling a much more intense trip. What accounts for potency? How can I increase it?

Did I harvest too early? Should I dry them out before eating?





I bet those 2g dry were likely around 1.5g.

Add that with genetics and boom...dull experience.


You should have eaten the whole harvest.


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Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Potency Question [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #25025804 - 02/27/18 10:52 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Haven't had a potency issue with MS over the whole time I've been using it. I'm betting this has more to do with wet weight being closer to 95% water than 90%. So your 20g is closer to 1.5g than 2g, which barely crosses the threshold dose for most people.

Save up more, or make tea.


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Re: Potency Question [Re: LtLurker]
    #25026376 - 02/27/18 03:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the suggestions. On reflection, once picked they weighed 35g, and after a couple of hours when I was going to eat, I re-weighed and found them at 32g. 3g of water loss in 2 hours, maybe indicating >90% water content. Of course, this is just speculation.


Isolating a good culture on agar is a bit advanced for me right now. I also don't have the supplies. I'm learning, though. After I'm done harvesting and multi-flushing my current cakes. And once I've dried and have a little stash, I'll decide what to do next.

Have some more syringes. May try a bulk grow, but would be later in the year probably summer when it's warmer. This grow, in winter, has been quite slow due to the cold.

Weak effects were probably due to not enough eaten. So, what would you recommend in terms of dosage?

Since shrooms seem to vary in potency... can we even make a hard and fast rule, e.g., 3.5g for a 'heroic dose'?

I think that would depend on the shroom. Since I've sampled, and found this bunch to be weak, should I be aiming to eat more? For example if 3.5g is an average heroic dose. Should I eat 5 g (dry) next time to get a good trip?


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Re: Potency Question [Re: delirrr]
    #25026641 - 02/27/18 06:02 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Dosage can vary. With regular cubes I think of 2g as a mild dose, 3.5g a decent dose should be good strong effect without destroying you. After that things keep gettin weirder, might wanna work up to it.

Another consideration, tea or lemon tek will make it hit you faster and harder than eating it imo.


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