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Re: Is this contaminated? [Re: Fascistbullyboy]
    #25034321 - 03/02/18 08:40 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Good to know, I'll try to dunk and just keep it separate from the other cakes just in case. I think I'll pick up perlite and a plastic tub for a SGFC if I have time tomorrow (today was busy). I got 3 cakes soaking right now.  Thanks again for your huge help. Between your advice here and the shroomery FB page I'm learning a bunch. Cheers.


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Re: Is this contaminated? [Re: Mhushu]
    #25036143 - 03/03/18 04:24 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)



Not a huge yield but I feel very satisfied there was fruit to be harvested.
A SGFC has been built and well see how the cakes do :smile:

Dehydrating the fresh fruit for 5 hours on 160F, will that be enough dryness for long-term storage? After having cracker dry mushrooms,  what is the best container to store them in. (I don't have any vacuum seal stuff)
Would UV-resistant glass with a threaded lid be good? Like vitamin bottle?
Would it be wise to add a desiccant?

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Re: Is this contaminated? [Re: Mhushu]
    #25037395 - 03/04/18 03:50 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I just stick em in a jar when ready. Maybe a little bag of silica gel. That's it.


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Re: Is this contaminated? [Re: Fascistbullyboy]
    #25037776 - 03/04/18 11:07 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Is this contaminated? [Re: Mhushu]
    #25037886 - 03/04/18 12:01 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

temps above 90F have been theorized to deactivate the active alkaloid in magic mushrooms, so i recommend NOT putting the min the oven.

I let my mushrooms sit out for about 2-3 days and then i put it in a dehydrator for a day, some people use a cardboard shoe box and/or a fan.

I've never use silica jel for drying stuff out. I use it to keep things dry tho. Facisistbullyboy, how long does it take to dry em out using your method?


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Re: Is this contaminated? [Re: dmnats]
    #25039386 - 03/05/18 12:16 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I put mine on a radiator. They sit for 12 to 24 hrs until dry. I should've said I store mine in a jar with a packet of gel.

Also there is a fair few people who use dehydrators that are set to 160f and there is no loss of potency. Same as making mushie tea.


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Re: Is this contaminated? [Re: dmnats]
    #25039405 - 03/05/18 12:28 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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temps above 90F have been theorized to deactivate the active alkaloid in magic mushrooms, so i recommend NOT putting the min the oven.

I let my mushrooms sit out for about 2-3 days and then i put it in a dehydrator for a day, some people use a cardboard shoe box and/or a fan.

I've never use silica jel for drying stuff out. I use it to keep things dry tho. Facisistbullyboy, how long does it take to dry em out using your method?




That is not true at all what so ever. If temps above 90F did that, then tea would not work.


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Re: Is this contaminated? [Re: Ziran]
    #25039543 - 03/05/18 02:32 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Good point. Water boils at 212F lol.


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Re: Is this contaminated? [Re: Mhushu]
    #25039753 - 03/05/18 08:04 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Hi Mhushu,

I'm not a very experienced grower but I've tried to dunk the cake in between flushes with small undeveloped fruiting bodies and it didn't work out very well. Some were aborting after the dunk and those which didn't developed into quite ugly shrooms of mediocre size.
So I stopped doing that and started cutting all unmatured fruiting bodies before each redunk. This works really well. A few days after redunking the cakes and placing them back in the FC new primordia start to develop and from them I get very nice and healthy shrooms. So for me there is absolutely no advantage in letting undeveloped fruiting bodies on the cake during a redunk.
I also don't twist the shrooms but cut them with a scalpel which I always first flame sterilize and then cool quickly down with an ipa spray. I never had any issues with this method so I don't see any reason to try any other method. But twisting and pulling may work fine as well. If that works for you its totally fine.
Another point: Right after birthing your cakes you should dunk them for 24h and then put a layer of dry vermiculite on them to cover the naked mycelium. A few hours after rolling them in the vermiculite you can mist them to soak the dry vermiculite. If you do it to early, a lot of the vermiculite will fall of the cake. I do the extra step and bake the vermiculite for 30 minutes in the oven at 150°C or 300°F just to make sure there are no contaminations in it. But many people also skip this step without issues.

What I also can confirm is that spraying a large amount of water directly on the cakes while they are fruiting is totally unproblematic. I try not to hit the shrooms directly because they can get too moisty and need more time to dry after the harvest. But otherwise there's no problem so far. I really think that giving the cakes a lot of water during the fruiting leads to bigger shrooms.


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Re: Is this contaminated? [Re: kapps]
    #25039761 - 03/05/18 08:11 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Whaaat? Lol i geuss that was a bit of info i never decided to second guess.....

HOLD UP! That means my FOAF can make shroom brownies? He's only been using methods of cooking without too high of temp (like tempering chocolate).

Whenever my FOAF make shroom tea, it was very weak compared to taking them with chocolate or capsules.

Isnt the active alkaloid water-soluble? Why would there be such a large potency loss?


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Re: Is this contaminated? [Re: dmnats]
    #25039772 - 03/05/18 08:21 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Edited by Fascistbullyboy (03/05/18 08:21 AM)


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Re: Is this contaminated? [Re: dmnats]
    #25039775 - 03/05/18 08:21 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

When it comes to shrooms I'm definitely a 5G person. Any less I won't feel a thing. I always make a brew with mine or it can take a good hour to kick in. So I grind up 5g chuck it in a mug of coffee and wait for drinking temp. 20 mins later the walls are melting.

But yeah temp don't seem to affect potency and there is plenty here discussing it.

It's like when people make canna oil. They seem to think that using moldy bud is bad. Since doing this hobby I've found that mold isn't an issue. Boiling off the alcohol kills the spores. Probably a stoner ramble that last bit.


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Re: Is this contaminated? [Re: Fascistbullyboy]
    #25039784 - 03/05/18 08:29 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

A FOAF (a bodybuilder) can take .2 of his stuff and feel something.

1 gram is a trip
2 gram feels like a roll
3.5 grams lets you talk to aliens

My FOAF has to find different methods because he gags when he smells/taste dried mushroom. Brownies, cake, cookies! All great ideas, but he's worries about the temps.

5 grams is a good bit, but you dont strain your mushies out? No wonder is still works for you! But issnt mushy tea suppose to be used with wet fruit? You then strain out the plant matter. Im sure theres different methods, but im talking about this one.

I dont consider it a tea unless you strain out the plant matter. Its more of a lemon tek in my book if you drink the plant matter also.


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Re: Is this contaminated? [Re: dmnats]
    #25039826 - 03/05/18 09:04 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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My FOAF has to find different methods because he gags when he smells/taste dried mushroom. Brownies, cake, cookies! All great ideas, but he's worries about the temps.





Kinda everything off topic here, but: Why don't try alcohol extraction? Should preserve potency while making the consumption less nasty.


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Re: Is this contaminated? [Re: kapps]
    #25039884 - 03/05/18 09:54 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I could say I've got mushy soup that tastes like coffee lol. I e read melted chocolate with shrooms in is nice. I feel the need to eat/drink em as well as I feel you're chucking a good bit away.

Also as above try alcohol extraction. Or soaked in honey, I've read a tek about that somewhere. But with the booze he can evaporate some off so 1ml is equal to 1g


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Re: Is this contaminated? [Re: Ziran]
    #25040564 - 03/05/18 04:05 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

My FOAF is worried about the potency loss. The only time he ever disliked his trip was when it didnt have its full potential. Hes a "go hard or go home" kinda guy (ungrateful)

You can also make shroom Jello!

Make shroom tea with fresh mush and strain out the organic matter, then mix that water with some jello, put it in a fridge, boom shroom jello

But back to cake and booze.

Have you had experience with the -OH extraction Kapps/Facistbullyboy?


Also, overall, i think temp has an effect on potency. Ive been reading that 160F is okay, but thats borderline about to fuck up the potency. If you search this, most people say there is a potency loss. Correct me if im wrong Ziran or who else ever, please.

Fasictbullyboy, or whoever should run an experiment on your next shroom tea/coffees. Like varying temps of boiling water for X amount of time(212F, 150F, & 100F). Compare the trips by making trip logs? Just an idea, its just my FOAF cant stomach this experiment himself.


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Re: Is this contaminated? [Re: dmnats]
    #25040668 - 03/05/18 04:56 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I'll give it a go when mine are done. I've not tried the extraction yet but I will. Also have a search on here for blue honey (I think thats what it was called) your friend might be interested


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Re: Is this contaminated? [Re: Fascistbullyboy]
    #25040694 - 03/05/18 05:05 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Youre the man

I actually saw a video on youtube of someone debunking that method, but i could be wrong, it was just one video. 

Cultures through history have used honey to PRESERVE the mush/food. I dont think the alkaloids seep into the honey quick enough. Sounds kinda good tho, i like honey.


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Re: Is this contaminated? [Re: dmnats]
    #25041861 - 03/06/18 01:41 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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Whaaat? Lol i geuss that was a bit of info i never decided to second guess.....

HOLD UP! That means my FOAF can make shroom brownies? He's only been using methods of cooking without too high of temp (like tempering chocolate).

Whenever my FOAF make shroom tea, it was very weak compared to taking them with chocolate or capsules.

Isnt the active alkaloid water-soluble? Why would there be such a large potency loss?




Probably genetics man. some people batter and deep fry their mushrooms.


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Re: Is this contaminated? [Re: Ziran]
    #25042162 - 03/06/18 07:50 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

.2 will make my FOAF feel something, and 1 gram will have my friend tripping.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5019764

The thread is old, but it short and to the point. Theres another attached thread in there too. People theorize 160F being the highest temp before they degraded in potency.

Thank you for bringing this up though. My FOAF will be turning up his dehydrators temps.


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