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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #25015869 - 02/23/18 12:05 PM (6 years, 7 days ago)

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I like to bring the temp up slowly.

I also have my water heater turned up full blast.  So the water that comes out is basically  pasteurization  temps. This let's me not babysit the stove as much too.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
    #25015962 - 02/23/18 12:44 PM (6 years, 7 days ago)

I didn’t, I had to run and left it soaking. I’m pretty a little worried it wasn’t long enough. We will find out :shrug:
Fingers crossed though, just got a presto so hoping to do more stuff at home.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FishLevelMidnight]
    #25016009 - 02/23/18 01:09 PM (6 years, 7 days ago)

You may very well lose whatever you spawned to it so hopefully you didn't put all of your eggs in one basket.

The first time I ended fucking up and temps rose to about 170 or so and didn't go back down for at least a half hr. I lost those two shoeboxes. The next time I did it I let the water come up to temp slowly and as soon as it hit 140 I set my timer for 1hr and waited and baby sat the pot. Temps stayed in that sweet spot for the full hr then I pulled the jars and let them cool on the counter top overnight. I've done it the exact same way with great results since


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Steevo]
    #25016020 - 02/23/18 01:13 PM (6 years, 7 days ago)

Hmmmm. I have 3 bags for the APE redboy and AA+, maybe I should repasteurize and baby it more?

The internal temps hit 140 then I turned it off... I'm hoping for the best but preparing for the worst, maybe I'll lose that PE...


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FishLevelMidnight]
    #25016023 - 02/23/18 01:14 PM (6 years, 7 days ago)

Or maybe I should just get rid of the cow manure based compost and bucket tek a 70-30 coir-verm substrate so I can be a little lazier

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FishLevelMidnight]
    #25016034 - 02/23/18 01:21 PM (6 years, 7 days ago)

For pastutizing once i see the water start to bubble i shut the stove off entirely and my temp rises to just under 160 and holds good for an hour(i use my pc) i dont even use my thermometer anymore


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FishLevelMidnight]
    #25016044 - 02/23/18 01:24 PM (6 years, 7 days ago)

Again, I think the legit concern is it reaching partial sterilization temps and not whether it stayed at 140F long enough. If that happened, pasteurizing again won't matter because it's already too late.

Did you check and see how fast it was climbing before it reached 140? I use a probe thermometer so I can look and see the climb.

However, if they're in bags, I don't see a problem with partial or full sterilization, provided you're not spawning in open air. Just spawn in SAB/LFH and you'll be fine.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #25016065 - 02/23/18 01:29 PM (6 years, 7 days ago)

The bags are just for making up more than a qt at a time, I intend to spawn these to shoeboxes and bootboxes actually, so sterilizing wouldn't work for me.

Why would repasteurizing not help in theory?

If it went over 160 for too long and partially sterilized than a second pasteurization would kill any of the baddies but keep some thermophilic microorganisms.
If it was under (didn't remain at 140 long enough) than the second one would kill the baddies that didn't get taken care of the first time?

Curious what the alternative explanation would be or how you're seeing it buddy


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: FishLevelMidnight]
    #25016081 - 02/23/18 01:34 PM (6 years, 7 days ago)

Someone will probably  beat me to it.

But when you go above 160 your killing those beneficial microbes they don't just come back unfortunately.  So if she got too hot there's not much left too combat contams.

If it goes under I don't see why u couldn't repasteurize.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
    #25016095 - 02/23/18 01:38 PM (6 years, 7 days ago)

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Someone will probably  beat me to it.

But when you go above 160 your killing those beneficial microbes they don't just come back unfortunately.  So if she got too hot there's not much left too combat contams.

If it goes under I don't see why u couldn't repasteurize.




I see this line of reasoning but after it cools down at least SOME of the thermophilic microorganisms that are normally present will recolonize the substrate. The second pasteurization will leave them to then take over the substrate  and provide the protective qualities?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #25016532 - 02/23/18 04:14 PM (6 years, 7 days ago)

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I'm using "emergency food" wheat grains presently, after oats did me wrong enough times.




I finally got fed up with "horse" quality oats that were full of dust, weevils and endospores.  Switched over to food grade organic white wheat and doubt I'll ever go back.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: grainbrain]
    #25016605 - 02/23/18 04:47 PM (6 years, 7 days ago)

fisherman,

If you hit 140 for 15 minutes before dropping down, you can pasteurize again, I believe. If you went above 170F for a while, you likely killed too many beneficial microbes and baddies will take over. This is generally why you pay attention to the temperatures to avoid guesswork. If it were me, I'd mix in some oats and sterilize in bottles to noc with LI.

I don't have an exact answer for the full process. I've asked before and it's not been explained super detailed to me. But I don't think it's beneficial bacteria that help out mycelium directly in some symbiotic relationship. It's more like wiping out certain harmful bacteria (harmful in the sense that they're competition, not necessary attacking mycelium directly), but leaving enough "beneficial" bacteria to  compete with bad shit we introduce through spawning. With pasteurization, we're killing off everything but thermophillic bacteria which don't thrive within our standard temp range of 70-75F. But these bacteria also do something or another to keep the other bacteria in check, allowing our 5 quarts of healthy mushroom mycelium to takeover ASAP.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #25016684 - 02/23/18 05:26 PM (6 years, 7 days ago)

Stare,

That’s right. The idea is that the thermophiloc bacteria that are left just take up “retail” space on the substrate. If something is living there, than the microorganisms we call “contaminants” have no literally space to take over. That is my understanding, the same way all of our skin is colonized by bacteria and they mostly just act to stop other things from living on our skin that can hurt us (but can be pathogenic if in the wrong location)

I can understand how going too far will kill the good guys enough such that they won’t recolonize upon cooling and repasteurization.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #25016687 - 02/23/18 05:28 PM (6 years, 7 days ago)

Sorry, this may be more confusing, but whatever:

Imagine some rich sadistic dude tossed you in Blader Runner/Hunger Games death arena with 100 others. Pasteurizing is like pressing a button that kills the 80 young, athletic, armed, and handsome studs (like me), leaving 20 relatively harmless old people. This allows you to run off, do steroids, call friends (also on steroids), and fortify the area to establish a stronghold. This stronghold prevents more buff, handsome studs (me again) from entering the arena. While too slow to hurt you, the old people still want some action. While you're busy securing the arena for yourself, their mere presence prevents and ties up more handsome, ripped dudes (ahem) from establishing their own stronghold. They're setting up coffee tables with terrible tasting candy and telling the same story over and over, preventing would-be threats from attacking us. While the old people smell weird, we can deal with it, but new gladiators can't. It ain't perfect, but it'll do.

Sterilizing is the button that wipes out everyone and everything, including your weapon, but also triggers the next wave of healthy and armed competitors, spread out through the arena.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: grainbrain]
    #25016725 - 02/23/18 05:43 PM (6 years, 7 days ago)

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I'm using "emergency food" wheat grains presently, after oats did me wrong enough times.




I finally got fed up with "horse" quality oats that were full of dust, weevils and endospores.  Switched over to food grade organic white wheat and doubt I'll ever go back.




are these what you use?

Soft White Wheat Berries

or these or maybe neither lol

Organic Hard White Wheat Berries

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: kanemush]
    #25016751 - 02/23/18 05:52 PM (6 years, 7 days ago)

I'm using hard white wheat berries from Honeyville Farms.  $50/50lbs, $5 flat shipping.


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    #25016755 - 02/23/18 05:56 PM (6 years, 7 days ago)

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I'm using hard white wheat berries from Honeyville Farms.  $50/50lbs, $5 flat shipping.




And general prep like rye or oats?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: grainbrain]
    #25016773 - 02/23/18 06:04 PM (6 years, 7 days ago)

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I'm using hard white wheat berries from Honeyville Farms.  $50/50lbs, $5 flat shipping.



Thanks for the plug. Gonna try it out. I’m interested in your prep too.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #25016797 - 02/23/18 06:14 PM (6 years, 7 days ago)

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  One option is getting grain that's actually supposed to be eaten by humans.  More expensive, sure, but it's got a lot more stringent QA process than horse oats or whatever else.

I'm using "emergency food" wheat grains presently, after oats did me wrong enough times.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
    #25016806 - 02/23/18 06:17 PM (6 years, 7 days ago)

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I'm using hard white wheat berries from Honeyville Farms.  $50/50lbs, $5 flat shipping.



Thanks for the plug. Gonna try it out. I’m interested in your prep too.




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