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InvisibleTheMilkMan84
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Re: Shitake growers' thread [Re: tiedma]
    #25009202 - 02/20/18 07:58 PM (6 years, 10 days ago)

Hello everyone, I recently cloned a grocery store shiitake on agar and want to attempt my 1st shiitake grow. I've noticed most people either inoculate hardwood logs, outdoor beds of woodchips, or sawdust bags, but had a difficult time procuring sawdust so I decided to do a little experiment. I don't really care all that much if it fails, I'm just trying to learn- but some fruits would be an added bonus for sure.

My plan was to go agar>> grain >> sterilized woodchips in a tray or mini monotub. I couldn't find oak or alder chips so I got the hardest wood I could find which ended up being mesquite. I'm going to be growing them indoors and was wondering if I can spawn my grains to the woodchips in open air like you would with coir? I searched around a bit but didn't spend a great deal of time doing so, so I apologize if this is redundant. As always, feedback is appreciated. Thanks :cool:


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Re: Shitake growers' thread [Re: TheMilkMan84]
    #25009318 - 02/20/18 08:50 PM (6 years, 10 days ago)

Shiitake are fairly co2 tolerant, i was thinking of the same thing.

The guys in mushroom cult talk about a SGFC a lot, and if you don't know what that is, its a container with holes poked in all 6 sides and you soak perlite and let it evaporate inside, making a humid chamber with passive airflow. I'd been considering making this for a friend to fruit full size shiitake blocks, or perhaps resting a block up on a stand of sorts, a 4" piece of 3" pvc pipe for example, and then you could mist it and put a plastic grocery bag over it poke a few holes in it perhaps. Remove to mist and remove co2 accumulations 2-3x day.


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Re: Shitake growers' thread [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #25009462 - 02/20/18 10:09 PM (6 years, 10 days ago)

Yeah, I have a SGFC as well as trays and monotubs- but since I won't be inoculating a bag I won't be creating a 'block'. So I'll be mixing my colonized grains with wood chips. I can either do this in some trays and put them in my SGFC or I can do this in one of my monotubs. I've never grown a wood loving species though, so I'm not familiar with whether you can spawn to wood chips in open air like you can with coir, or whether it will contaminate being exposed to the open air.


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Re: Shitake growers' thread [Re: TheMilkMan84]
    #25009499 - 02/20/18 10:38 PM (6 years, 10 days ago)

Oh I didn't see your post I saw the guy above asking about fruiting on the counter.

So you want to spawn to sterilized wood chips in open air? That's what you're asking?

That would be an absolute no.

You have a lot of reading to do my friend, there is a lot of info here if you use the search function, monos have been tried for many edibles including shiitake, hardwood chips mixed in a sawdust substrate, certain substrates u can pasteurize and spawn in open air, anything sterilized needs sterile procedure, but I'm not sure you're aware of the 60day roughly colonization period either, so with that knowledge of shiitake alone your mindset would benefit from avoiding any contamination you can at every step.

And I wouldn't think 100% wood chips would be advisable either, I could be wrong, but shooting from the hip I'd recommend a steirilized and enriched sawdust substrate with hardwood chips sprinkled in and maybe 1/4 cup of gypsum or something.

I'd focus on my agar / grain spawn run and while it grows do a ton more reading. Start with substrate, search for best shiitake substrate. Then decide past or sterilize. That tells you open air or not. Then decide fruiting. From my experience with yields of unsupplemented 5# blocks you will be very unhappy with unsupplemented shallow trays in a sgfc. If you want to grow bulk shiitake with cube stuff sounds like I'd definitely search for shiitake tubs or something.

Though if you have a large enough PC and get some mycobags and wood pellets the world will open up to you


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Re: Shitake growers' thread [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #25009514 - 02/20/18 10:49 PM (6 years, 10 days ago)

I've been thinking and if you were to do enough trays and stagger the dates, maybe, but I can't help but think you'd only get a few mushrooms per tray. Just from my yields of many big blocks and not 1-5 big shiitake on the unsupplemented blocks. I think with supplemented you may get the same amount on the smaller trays, but it would take 70 days to get them. For some reason everything I find in search function gets tried and then abandoned. Everything but mycobags in greenhouse


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Re: Shitake growers' thread [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #25009544 - 02/20/18 11:12 PM (6 years, 10 days ago)

Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I was just practicing my cloning technique so I honestly didn't even intend on growing shiitakes just yet- which is why I haven't read up on them too much. I have several other projects going on right now so I'm not taking this too seriously- just an experiment to learn something from. I figured hell, I have this clone I may as well try and throw something together.

I did search around a bit though, but couldn't find anything about monos or trays with wood chips- just sawdust. Everything I saw with wood chips was outdoor beds. Yeah I hadn't planned on using woodchips only, I was going to use some BRF as well after reading this-

Quote:

RogerRabbit said:
A good recipe is equal parts water, verm, sawdust, and rice flour or rice bran.




Anyway, I guess if I can't spawn to the chips in open air then I'll consider doing an outdoor patch. Probably no need to PC the woodchips if I do an outdoor bed, correct?

Edit: I just realized that I asked a stupid question. I already know that I can't expose BRF to open air, and I planned on mixing it with my woodchips soooo oops lol :rofl:  Been drinking a bit today and wasn't thinking properly haha. My mistake, sorry

Edited by TheMilkMan84 (02/20/18 11:16 PM)

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Re: Shitake growers' thread [Re: TheMilkMan84]
    #25009557 - 02/20/18 11:22 PM (6 years, 10 days ago)

Correct, pasteurised would work great there.

Don't let me discourage you, do two trays just to find out and put them in your sgfc anyway. Most of their time will be on the shelf covered colonizing, I'd peek at day 45 or so and again at day 60, if you can enrich some hardwood sawdust or hardwood fuel pellets with brf or rice meal or something that will double your yield but you have to innoc in SAB and honestly I'd wrap it with foil in SAB and Im not sure I'd even poke a ge Hole in it, If I had micropore tape I would and cover it with that.

Shiitake forms a brown hard crust around the substrate and so when the tray has browned and shelled I would put it into fruitinf and hopefully within a few days it'll pin. I wouldn't bother if you're not going to enrich, just the work / reward ratio.

I haven't read about outdoor shiitake beds, im going to have to search in those and see how well they  do. Ihave a shiitake log grow going that's a year long deal tho. I had found some bulk tubs if I recall correctly that had hardwood chips sprinkled in, i remember reading somewhere that was beneficial over straight sawdust.

But really in the beginning all that matters is achieving fruits, lol. So lots of options. RR mixture above will work for sure. As will 100% sawdust with no enrichment but will have poor yields.

Bc shiitake takes so long you should just start a few jars and a few trays and get them growing. And you can start reading about them in 30 days even and finish your current stuff and you still ahve another 30 days to study.

Edit - no worries buddy, I notice in cubes you learn to read directions (teks) a lot and that totally helps to get going and have success, in gourmet different species are very different in demands and you quickly learn to just learn how things work and you end up with a very solid knowledge and can do anything with anything. No worries, good luck with your grow


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Re: Shitake growers' thread [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #25009578 - 02/20/18 11:41 PM (6 years, 10 days ago)

What I may end up doing is just making my brf/woodchip mix, loading up some quart jars and leaving enough room to do grain transfers to the jars. Then once those are fully colonized I could break them up and spawn them to trays or a monotub. I'll have to report back once I get to that point and let you know how it goes. Thanks for your help :cheers:


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Re: Shitake growers' thread [Re: TheMilkMan84]
    #25009587 - 02/20/18 11:49 PM (6 years, 10 days ago)

Interestinf idea on how to get the enrichment in there hmm. If I  had two side by side I would do one that way and one a classic pasteurized way, which with as much sub as a mono can hold, you may try this too : if you can find a heat resistant plastic bag (mycobags) you could put your sawdust/chip mixture inside with a thermometer, put that bag in a tote, hot water in tote, once core of sub bag hits 160 I think maybe 170 I forget start timer for 3 hours  then remove and you can put that in a cleaned mono and pour in your quarts of grain spawn and mix in lysoled open air.  Or with hwfp bags we just add boiling water, the specific amount needed to bring to field capacity, and seal and insulate the bag for hours, after you get your mixtures and times dialed in it's effective pasteurization

Mono sub depth could very well be deeper too u would think, possibly 6"? If the blocks are 5" tall why not. Ideas, ideas..


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Re: Shitake growers' thread [Re: tiedma]
    #25095207 - 03/27/18 04:34 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Ive never done dunk and slap, could someone explain the procedure?

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Re: Shitake growers' thread [Re: mike-ologist]
    #25096283 - 03/28/18 02:40 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Soak the block for 12-24 hours. Slap the ever-loving shit out out of it about 10 times. RogerRabbit advised slapping it hard enough that you think you might split it.

If you read the pdf that is stickied, you'll find the story of the Japanese(?) Guy that got mad because his found shiitake trees weren't producing, so he beat them with a stick out of frustration/anger. The beating caused them to fruit hard.

The dunking is to allow the block to hydrate for fruiting.

Hence - dunk & slap

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Re: Shitake growers' thread [Re: Bry Bry]
    #25099438 - 03/29/18 12:15 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you :smile: i may try some outdoor logs this year :smile:

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Re: Shitake growers' thread [Re: mike-ologist]
    #25100106 - 03/29/18 05:00 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

mike-ologist said:
I've never done dunk and slap, could someone explain the procedure?



Actually it's slap and dunk. Hitting it hard enough to feel the sides give but avoid damaging large pins.

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Re: Shitake growers' thread [Re: Shu]
    #25100717 - 03/29/18 08:50 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

well, to be fair theres many methods and schools of thought on this. One grower in particular i look up to doesn't slap at all. or cold shock either if i recall, soaks in bag, removes, straight into GH.

I've read a lot about flipping blocks to induce the shock, less energy robbing or traumatic than slapping them supposedly, and now that i think about it another grower here i look up to does that on a commercial scale if i'm not mistaken, i remember that because i remember reading RR specifically saying its hurt his yields and he swears against it.

So all i know is nothing is set in stone
:shrug:

Edit - i read that wrong.  oh well.  Speaking of, has anyone done a side by side of this? i know slapping is very accepted, i'm merely making a point that some dudes here have massive eye dropping yields and don't slap and cold shock.

Personally, after taking out my frustrations and splitting a block one time, i haven't slapped in forever. I don't flip either, i fill the bag with water and shove it in the fridge to cold soak all at once, and 4hours to 12 hours i'll pull it out straight into GH.

But i have horrible yields, so...

I do fully plan on doing a side by side of at least 3 methods and i have 3782 spawn colonizing now for a G2G. it'll be a few months before i know my personal winning route. But i'll remember what bry bry has said today when i pick my routes, i'll beat one for all the bad yields ive had with this log culture lol maybe it'll fruit harder


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Re: Shitake growers' thread [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #25101633 - 03/30/18 08:13 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

mike-ologist, have you experimented with cottonwood yet? Going to try 3782 to some cottonwood sawdust today. Made some 50% cottonwood 50% oak sawdust some days ago and they look great. Looks like they are doing better than control which is only oak sawdust. All of them get 10% (by volume) wheat bran as supplementation. Lets see

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Re: Shitake growers' thread [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #25102073 - 03/30/18 11:54 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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well, to be fair theres many methods and schools of thought on this. One grower in particular i look up to doesn't slap at all. or cold shock either if i recall, soaks in bag, removes, straight into GH.

I've read a lot about flipping blocks to induce the shock, less energy robbing or traumatic than slapping them supposedly, and now that i think about it another grower here i look up to does that on a commercial scale if i'm not mistaken, i remember that because i remember reading RR specifically saying its hurt his yields and he swears against it.

So all i know is nothing is set in stone
:shrug:

Edit - i read that wrong.  oh well.  Speaking of, has anyone done a side by side of this? i know slapping is very accepted, i'm merely making a point that some dudes here have massive eye dropping yields and don't slap and cold shock.

Personally, after taking out my frustrations and splitting a block one time, i haven't slapped in forever. I don't flip either, i fill the bag with water and shove it in the fridge to cold soak all at once, and 4hours to 12 hours i'll pull it out straight into GH.

But i have horrible yields, so...

I do fully plan on doing a side by side of at least 3 methods and i have 3782 spawn colonizing now for a G2G. it'll be a few months before i know my personal winning route. But i'll remember what bry bry has said today when i pick my routes, i'll beat one for all the bad yields ive had with this log culture lol maybe it'll fruit harder



What is GH?
And to scot tony: ive only played with alder so far. Life has been rough and my last grainspawn jar is currently pinning xD

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Re: Shitake growers' thread [Re: mike-ologist]
    #25102355 - 03/30/18 02:15 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Shitake growers' thread [Re: Quadman]
    #25102483 - 03/30/18 03:12 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I feel dumb now xD id like to take a moment to thank all posters in this thread. You all have helped this thread become a wealth of knowledge and a great place for novice growers [such as myself] to gain relevant and up to date info :smile: i dont post much these days, but expect an influx in op posts soon :smile:

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Re: Shitake growers' thread [Re: mike-ologist]
    #25104093 - 03/31/18 10:06 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I tried posting an original thread about this, got 30 views and no response--so maybe the shiitake group will be able to help:

Has anyone here had any experience with shiitake dermatitis caused by lentinan in undercooked/raw shiitake? The literature suggests you need to cook to 145C (293F) to degrade the compound, thus making it safe for consumption. However, this seems like overkill to me, especially because lentinan is also a highly prized medicinal compound and only negatively impacts ~1% of people.

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Re: Shitake growers' thread [Re: Mr. Shiitake]
    #25104136 - 03/31/18 10:19 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Just to contribute a bit more:

I tested the Aloha 3782 strain a couple months ago, with the following results:

8 x 5-lb blocks, high supplementation, brown-out-of-bag

The average yield per block was
Flush1  0.74 lb
Flush2  0.90 lb
Flush3  0.15 lb
Total  1.81 lb (1.59-2.07 lb)

The strain fruited very quickly, producing hundreds of small, fragile mushrooms. Surprisingly, I averaged higher yields on second flush than first. One of the blocks reached over 100% Biological Efficiency in three flushes.


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