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BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH Updated 12/16/21 * 8
    #25008651 - 02/20/18 04:32 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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I am bi-polar so please forgive me if I skip around or sentences are not coherent to you. I do apologize, but sometimes the brain is in hyper mode.

Who is this for:

Beginners, experimenters, or just bored people.

Shout out and thanks too

Damion5050  My Elementary Coir Tek SpitballJedi Pressure Cooking Basics bodhisatta BOD's SIMPLE AS FUCK SAB TEK mushroomnate BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows mushboy Making shoeboxes and thank you Shroomery

Goal of this project:

My goal is to show from start to finish the entire process of making 6 brf cakes and spawning to bulk using coir inside a 6qt shoebox. There is nothing ground breaking here just a grow along from start to finish.

What we need:

George foreman grill
1/2 pound 85% or better ground beef
Steak and burger seasoning
Buns
Cheese
Condiments
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Now lets get serious here :smile:

6 1/2 pint mason jars
Drill with 1/8 drill bit
Vermiculite
BRF
Rubbing alcohol
Aluminum Foil
Mixing Bowl
Measuring Set
Fork
Spoon
Pressure cooker
Distilled water
Patience

6 1/2 pint mason jars sterilized
Disinfectant Spray
Latex Gloves
Rubbing alcohol
Hand sanitizer
Micropore tape
Flow hood or SAB
Spore syringe of your choice
Patience

5 gallon bucket with lid
650g of coco coir
Hot water
Vermiculite
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Colonized brf cakes
Cheese Grater
6qt clear shoe box container
32qt clear storage container
Drill with 1 1/2 circle drill bit
Ruler
Sharpie
Polyfil
Digital timer
6500k led light strip
Misting bottle
Patience


I did not price these out I am sure you can find any of these products at multiple stores and for various prices. I suggest you look around and use what you can find, and I am sure some of this stuff you already had at home. The big thing is follow the recipe and techniques exactly to insure best success.

Preparation Dec 14, 2021

You have got your supplies together time to get to work.

First make 4 holes in your mason jar lids. I use a drill and 1/8th drill bit, but you can use a hammer and nail. Some people make 2, 4, or even 5 holes so I will leave that up to you. I use the taller half pints not the short ones I just prefer them.

Second I like to either sand paper, or as I have done hammer the sharp pieces down on my lids.

Third grab your mixing bowl and put 4 cups of vermiculite and 2 cups of brf then mix it up with a fork. After I mix those up I add 2 cups of water and mix it again with a fork. After it is mixed well i grab a handful and squeeze to check water content. At most there should be none or only a drop or two of water coming from the squeeze no steady streams. Why mix with a fork we want to keep our brf mix light and airy not compacted.

Fourth fill jars up remember keep the mixture light and airy never pack or slam the jars as this causes compaction. Fill the jars up until you have only about a quarter inch, or I fill to the bottom line of space left in jar. Level gently the mix in the jar so we create a smooth surface. Now take a paper towel and go around the edge of the jar where there is no mix to clean it up.

Fifth now fill the quarter inch space with pure vermiculite remember not to pack it down, but gently level it with your finger. I leave a small gap between the verm layer and the lid I don't pack it full.

Sixth put your lids on and cover with tin foil. Follow your pressure cookers guide lines and fill with enough water to run a 1 hour cycle plus the heat up and vent. I will let it heat up for about 30 minutes then close the pressure valve let it get to 3-5 psi then open the vent again. I then let it vent for 15 minutes during this steam will be coming out of the vent. Close the valve and I wait for it to get to 15 psi then I start my 1 hour timer. I have a electric pc so it will stay in the range of 16-19 psi without really having to watch it once I get it set. Once your hour is up turn the pc off, and let the jars cool overnight.



Inoculation Dec 15, 2021

This is pretty simple so not much to explain here. I do all my inoculations in front of a FFU. Sab will work also, but I find it limits you in the movements you can do. I am 6'2 so hunched over for sometimes a hour or more doesn't work for my back.

Inoculation is simple wipe of the lid of jar with a paper towel and alcohol. Shake your spore syringe up real good sterilize the needle tilt jar about a quarter slant and inject as little solution as you can in each hole. Seriously you don't need much more then a drop don't FLOOD them. It is best to have the needle face your glass for looking at growth later on. Sterilize the needle between each jar no need to sterilize in each hole of the same jar.

I put micropore tape on the holes and put them on a shelf out of direct sunlight. Temperature 65-78 I prefer 68-72 they may colonize a little slower, but once I start going over 72 imho it increases chance of mold and bacteria growing. Just like in a fish tank they say keep it 76-78 then alga grows everywhere, but keep it 70-72 and very little algae will grow.

One suggestion is I always make 1 control jar and leave tin foil on it to make sure the pressure cooking was done correctly. I just put it along with the colonizing jars on a shelf out of direct sunlight. Also make sure to leave the tinfoil off during colonization that is what the verm and micropore tape is for. I never recommend a heating mat or any artificial heating during colonizing unless your doing it in a ice room.

Now remember that bold text up top if not Patience. 3-12 Days you should start to see some growth. Full colonization times will be 2-5 weeks depending on temp and your spore syringe. Then once your cake is all white even the bottom let it consolidate for 1 week. Pictures to follow and we will see how it goes from there.



Life begins



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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: kanemush] * 1
    #25008657 - 02/20/18 04:34 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

I'll be following along man nice write up.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: Shrooms4life]
    #25008668 - 02/20/18 04:37 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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I'll be following along man nice write up.




Thank you I hope this post will get a lot of people going.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: kanemush]
    #25008669 - 02/20/18 04:37 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: Mateja]
    #25008713 - 02/20/18 05:02 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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:popcorn:




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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: Adammotherfucker]
    #25008724 - 02/20/18 05:09 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

:popcorn:

Im gonna be starting a grow just like this soon so it'll be interesting to see how this goes.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25008746 - 02/20/18 05:22 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

:popcorn::super:


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25008755 - 02/20/18 05:28 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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:popcorn:

Im gonna be starting a grow just like this soon so it'll be interesting to see how this goes.




Feel free to update and post pictures for us here.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: kanemush]
    #25008780 - 02/20/18 05:40 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Sweet yea i definitely will. It'll be interesting to see how this goes too because i havent seen this strain anywhere on here yet. Its a wild albino cubensis that was stabilized/isolated, called E4K.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25009181 - 02/20/18 07:52 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: Tinytin]
    #25010292 - 02/21/18 10:43 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Small update the most important day inoculation. Last update until we see some growth.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: kanemush]
    #25010294 - 02/21/18 10:44 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Do you think I’d be fine using regular mouth jars if I’m gonna be spawning them? Can’t find wide mouth anywhere.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25010304 - 02/21/18 10:51 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Do you think I’d be fine using regular mouth jars if I’m gonna be spawning them? Can’t find wide mouth anywhere.




I ran into this problem ball does not make wide mouth half pints anymore. If you look at the regular mouth half pints as long as the inside is same size throughout your good. The last two times the regular mouths I bought where smooth inside.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: kanemush]
    #25010305 - 02/21/18 10:52 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Oh wow that makes sense cause I can’t find them anywhere.

Does it make a difference if the texture inside is different? It seems like the same size but maybe slightly taller


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25010311 - 02/21/18 10:56 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Oh wow that makes sense cause I can’t find them anywhere.

Does it make a difference if the texture inside is different? It seems like the same size but maybe slightly taller




I prefer the tall half pints not the short ones. If you use the short ones 4 cakes may not equal 2 quarts so you will have to see. The sides inside the jars should just be smooth. If you want I can take a picture of mine if you want.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: kanemush]
    #25010318 - 02/21/18 11:01 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Ohhh ok, yea they seem like they are the same size throughout on the inside. Does this look like the same as yours?



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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25010328 - 02/21/18 11:03 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Ohhh ok, yea they seem like they are the same size throughout on the inside. Does this look like the same as yours?






Exactly the same as mine.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25010335 - 02/21/18 11:07 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Ohhh ok, yea they seem like they are the same size throughout on the inside. Does this look like the same as yours?






Not sure those look square or smaller in the bottom then the top it might just be the camera angle. Here is a picture and the model number from target.



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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: kanemush]
    #25010343 - 02/21/18 11:12 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Sweet yea it must just be the camera angle, because my boxes have the same model number.

Appreciate the help :grin:


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25010348 - 02/21/18 11:12 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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flyhighfunguy said:
Sweet yea it must just be the camera angle, because my boxes have the same model number.

Appreciate the help :grin:




Awesome glad you found them.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: kanemush]
    #25010507 - 02/21/18 12:26 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Looking forward to this!


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: Shamanstatus]
    #25010885 - 02/21/18 03:16 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

5/5 rating from me!


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH Updated 2/22/18 [Re: kanemush]
    #25012870 - 02/22/18 10:13 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

6 days in we have good signs of growth pictures are in main post.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH Updated 2/22/18 [Re: kanemush]
    #25022865 - 02/26/18 09:16 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

A few updated pictures in the main post nothing exciting just some more growth.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH Updated 2/22/18 [Re: kanemush]
    #25022870 - 02/26/18 09:18 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Nice work.

I like the photo documentation :awesomenod:


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH Updated 2/22/18 [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #25022950 - 02/26/18 10:03 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Nice work.

I like the photo documentation :awesomenod:




Thank you very much for the comment.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: kanemush]
    #25033586 - 03/02/18 12:31 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

A couple of pictures sorry haven't updated threw my back out so been down a lot. Looks like we have about 2 weeks or so until we spawn to bulk and begin that journey.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: kanemush]
    #25075739 - 03/19/18 03:02 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Finally we made it time to spawn to bulk now full pictures are in first post.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: kanemush]
    #25076082 - 03/19/18 05:58 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

:thisisgonnabegood:


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: kanemush]
    #25076173 - 03/19/18 06:40 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

:popcorn::awesomenod:


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: mushroomnate]
    #25076478 - 03/19/18 09:09 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Dang! Just did my cakes the simple way... Wish I would've done this but I will be here to see the babies :smile:  :popcorn:


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: nothingtohide]
    #25076606 - 03/19/18 10:38 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Cool stuff man you are my BRF hero!


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: ElectricUniverse]
    #25076645 - 03/19/18 11:10 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Glad to see this post updated hoping you get some nice fruits. I did brf cakes to bulk a little while ago and was pretty happy with them :thumbup:


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: GnosticAstronaut]
    #25077229 - 03/20/18 09:05 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you everyone for the great comments keep them coming.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: kanemush]
    #25077608 - 03/20/18 12:26 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Hope it goes well. I hope there are more ways than PF tek available for those without pressure cookers.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: TrappinInNature]
    #25077631 - 03/20/18 12:34 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Hope it goes well. I hope there are more ways than PF tek available for those without pressure cookers.




Really none that I know of except pf tek steaming them. I am sure grains can be steamed just your talking about quite a few hours if it will even work.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH Updated 3/22/18 [Re: kanemush]
    #25082261 - 03/22/18 11:35 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

updated pictures in first thread life is coming along.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH Updated 3/22/18 [Re: kanemush]
    #25082788 - 03/22/18 03:20 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

For some reason i thought that a full brick of coir would make 10 quarts, meaning that the quarter brick of coir you used would make around 2-2.5 quarts. But you said that the quarter brick made 4.

Was that a typo in the post or was i just wrong about a whole brick making around 8-10 quarts?

Also, are the jars in the picture below considered full quarts of sub? I figured a full quart jar would be considered a quart of sub.



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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH Updated 3/22/18 [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25083008 - 03/22/18 04:59 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

One brick of coir will make roughly 10qts of sub if prepared bucket tek.(1 brick coir,2qt verm,4 qt water)I prep a qtr brick per shoebox.Also,I consider a FULL qt jar equal to a FULL qt.:shrug:


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH Updated 3/22/18 [Re: mushroomnate]
    #25083013 - 03/22/18 05:00 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Alright yea that makes more sense, thanks for the reply.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH Updated 3/22/18 [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25083056 - 03/22/18 05:27 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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For some reason i thought that a full brick of coir would make 10 quarts, meaning that the quarter brick of coir you used would make around 2-2.5 quarts. But you said that the quarter brick made 4.

Was that a typo in the post or was i just wrong about a whole brick making around 8-10 quarts?

Also, are the jars in the picture below considered full quarts of sub? I figured a full quart jar would be considered a quart of sub.





Quote:

flyhighfunguy said:
For some reason i thought that a full brick of coir would make 10 quarts, meaning that the quarter brick of coir you used would make around 2-2.5 quarts. But you said that the quarter brick made 4.

Was that a typo in the post or was i just wrong about a whole brick making around 8-10 quarts?

Also, are the jars in the picture below considered full quarts of sub? I figured a full quart jar would be considered a quart of sub.






The amount I do gets me about 6 quarts of substrate. That six quarts equals to about 2/3 full just like a grain jar not all the way up. I always make more to have some laying around when I need it real quick. The coir recipe can be tweaked to your exact needs.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH Updated 3/22/18 [Re: kanemush]
    #25083065 - 03/22/18 05:30 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

So the 175 grams of coir once prepared gets you around 6 quarts? If a full brick of coir is 10 quarts once prepared and thats a quarter brick i dont see how thats possible :confused: Do you have a different type of coir or something. Im gonna be preparing some tonight so i wanna make sure i definitely prepare enough.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH Updated 3/22/18 [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25083085 - 03/22/18 05:44 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

175gm of bricked coir prepped gets you roughly 2.5qt sub.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH Updated 3/22/18 [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25083567 - 03/22/18 09:29 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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So the 175 grams of coir once prepared gets you around 6 quarts? If a full brick of coir is 10 quarts once prepared and thats a quarter brick i dont see how thats possible :confused: Do you have a different type of coir or something. Im gonna be preparing some tonight so i wanna make sure i definitely prepare enough.




You got to remember these are shoe boxes they do not take much.
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So the 175 grams of coir once prepared gets you around 6 quarts? If a full brick of coir is 10 quarts once prepared and thats a quarter brick i dont see how thats possible :confused: Do you have a different type of coir or something. Im gonna be preparing some tonight so i wanna make sure i definitely prepare enough.




I stand in error I used 325 grams of coir nor 175 grams that would get you 2.5-3  quarts


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    #25087025 - 03/24/18 11:35 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

update new pictures in main post things are going good so far.


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    #25087048 - 03/24/18 11:45 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Coming along nicely!:super:


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    #25102687 - 03/30/18 04:31 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

pirates we have pins a little update new pictures is in the first post.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: kanemush]
    #25103799 - 03/31/18 05:49 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

This is brilliant! Thank you heaps!

Will make this my first real project :smile:


Ideally you would spawn the cakes directly to the bulk as soon as your spawn is ready. But, if I already had some cakes that are fruiting, could I skip trying to squeeze subsequent flushes out them and spawn them to a tub prepared as you have here? I’m guessing the less ‘work’ they do making fruit now, the more energy they will have to colonise a new substrate right?


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    #25104049 - 03/31/18 09:39 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I would say if there already fruiting to leave them as they are. I have moved cakes from a sgfc to this method and got not so good results, but you may have better luck.


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I would say if there already fruiting to leave them as they are. I have moved cakes from a sgfc to this method and got not so good results, but you may have better luck.



I agree.Once they've started fruiting it's better to just let fruit out.It can work,but it may slow things down for a bit,and contam may creep in.Personally I've never tried it tho,so...:shrug:


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    #25106904 - 04/01/18 03:47 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

updated pictures posted in first post.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH Updated 4/1/18 [Re: kanemush]
    #25108269 - 04/02/18 11:02 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Hey guys. Where should I post my BRF cakes to Coir stuff?
Here or the 'main thread'? If this is not the place, could you please show me where the right one is?
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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH Updated 4/1/18 [Re: EyeOnEmitter]
    #25109640 - 04/02/18 09:24 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Arent you supposed to wait until the sub is fully colonized to begin fruiting? I thought that if you used a pseudo casing at spawn you waited until it turned completely white to start fruiting.

Does it just not look fully colonized in this pic, or can you initiate fruiting before full colonization? My tubs are about 8 days in and the top is pretty much 100% white.



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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH Updated 4/1/18 [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25110234 - 04/03/18 05:56 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Well, check this out.
This is one half pint brf cake sliced up thin and layed in with coir.


Looks like it is working real good.
Started as an experiment.
I will wait a little longer and then put a dusting of vermiculite on it and keep it moist.


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    #25110934 - 04/03/18 12:57 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Arent you supposed to wait until the sub is fully colonized to begin fruiting? I thought that if you used a pseudo casing at spawn you waited until it turned completely white to start fruiting.

Does it just not look fully colonized in this pic, or can you initiate fruiting before full colonization? My tubs are about 8 days in and the top is pretty much 100% white.






When to fruit is a personal choice some do it soon as they spawn some wait for full colonization you will have to see whats best for you. I don't wait for casing because I want some moisture control. These boxes where spawned without the 7 day extra colonization we usually do for cakes. I have 2 more boxes just spawned that I waited that extra 7 days and it shows.

Box not waited for 7 day jar colonization spawned on Mar 19, 2018



Box waited for 7 day jar colonization spawned on Apr 1, 2018



You can look at how waiting the 7 days seems to help.


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    #25110947 - 04/03/18 01:02 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Lol.
What area code are you in?
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    #25110965 - 04/03/18 01:08 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH Updated 4/1/18 [Re: kanemush]
    #25140891 - 04/15/18 11:58 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

How did it end? ):


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    #25140931 - 04/15/18 12:11 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

drying right now sorry got lazy with update pictures.


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    #25141072 - 04/15/18 01:02 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Oh ok! How many grams did you get for 8 cakes? Im doing BRF Cakes but I don't want to continue with cakes since I want to start with bulk and with this way i can start right now with my remaining cakes :laugh:


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    #25141096 - 04/15/18 01:10 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I don't measure wet so once there dry I will post.


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    #25141098 - 04/15/18 01:12 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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    #25141386 - 04/15/18 03:21 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)



got a oz dried that is always my target for 2 shoe boxes.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: kanemush]
    #25155963 - 04/21/18 04:58 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Yo man, thanks for doing this. Just want to clarify that for the substrate coconut fiber and verm is all that’s needed and that I don’t need to add any gypsum or coffee grounds?


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    #25155988 - 04/21/18 05:07 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Yo man, thanks for doing this. Just want to clarify that for the substrate coconut fiber and verm is all that’s needed and that I don’t need to add any gypsum or coffee grounds?




no gypsum or coffee stuff. just simple coir verm mix.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH Updated 4/15/18 [Re: kanemush]
    #25493667 - 09/27/18 05:25 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for writing this out, it's very detailed and easy to follow. I've done a few brf cakes with the standard pf tek but am looking for something with a bit less daily maintenance.

You mention to mist as needed, how do you determine this? Just look for dryness or do you touch the substrate to check?

What is your yield for this versus fruiting regularly in a sgfc?


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    #25549101 - 10/19/18 02:52 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH [Re: kanemush]
    #26166059 - 09/02/19 10:36 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Oh wow that makes sense cause I can’t find them anywhere.

Does it make a difference if the texture inside is different? It seems like the same size but maybe slightly taller




I prefer the tall half pints not the short ones. If you use the short ones 4 cakes may not equal 2 quarts so you will have to see. The sides inside the jars should just be smooth. If you want I can take a picture of mine if you want.




Since there's two pints in one quart, wouldn't four half pints only equal one quart? To get two quarts you'd need 8 half pint cakes.


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH Updated 4/15/18 [Re: kanemush]
    #26410790 - 01/01/20 11:32 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I have really enjoyed following along with this tek! I am about to start it myself, and am super excited.
I have a question if anyone can help... the conditions in my basement are 65 f... I have a double tub with a water heater for my spawn jars.
I’m wondering if it would be smart or an awful idea to put my shoebox into a water bath with the heater during the spawn run... it keeps it at 75 f rather than my room at 65..
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    #26782596 - 06/25/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

this is great info! Would you be mad if I did the proofread/edit thing to make it more palatable and pm you the changes so you can edit the post? I just prepped my cvg so I can do exactly this.


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    #26929884 - 09/11/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Perfect just what I was looking for. I have two bricks of coco coir that need using and a couple cakes that I can grind. I am assuming you do not need 8? I can mix 2-3? What about cakes that have one flush pulled off them?


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    #27003735 - 10/25/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

This seems like a successful approach... I hope to use 100 quart tubs.. Unless it is not recommended..


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    #27003894 - 10/26/20 12:23 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Oh wow that makes sense cause I can’t find them anywhere.

Does it make a difference if the texture inside is different? It seems like the same size but maybe slightly taller




I prefer the tall half pints not the short ones. If you use the short ones 4 cakes may not equal 2 quarts so you will have to see. The sides inside the jars should just be smooth. If you want I can take a picture of mine if you want.




Since there's two pints in one quart, wouldn't four half pints only equal one quart? To get two quarts you'd need 8 half pint cakes.





I know the math does not make since, but once there shredded it comes up more as they puff out.

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this is great info! Would you be mad if I did the proofread/edit thing to make it more palatable and pm you the changes so you can edit the post? I just prepped my cvg so I can do exactly this.




no not at all i suck at sentences partly due to bi-polar.

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Perfect just what I was looking for. I have two bricks of coco coir that need using and a couple cakes that I can grind. I am assuming you do not need 8? I can mix 2-3? What about cakes that have one flush pulled off them?




I would not do brf cake that has already flushed, but hey give it a shot.

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This seems like a successful approach... I hope to use 100 quart tubs.. Unless it is not recommended..




some people use 100qts not me so cant say, but it would take a hell of alot of brf cakes for 100qt :smile:


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Re: BRF CAKE to COIR BULK START to FINISH Updated 4/15/18 [Re: kanemush]
    #27145484 - 01/13/21 09:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So I am half way through my first grow..actually I have spawn to bulk and now have pins developing.. I didnt read to black out the bottom half of my boxes. I now notice some side pinning.. Should I shade the out side of the boxes ???. I lost 3 jars of 24to contam.. Not bad .... For my first run
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    #27370502 - 07/01/21 01:56 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Trying to understand the logic here.

In my case, I have been using the PF Tek with good results and want to switch over to a more bulk oriented grow. In order to do so, starting at the middle of this TEK makes sense.

However, going through all the trouble to create brf cakes to be used specifically for bulk does not make sense. There are much simpler and easier ways if you want to start with bulk. You need to go through the PF process first, in order to understand growing fundamentals. That is the purpose of PF. Then, you transition and use your already flushed BRF cakes.

This Tek only makes sense if you have already done PF Tek and now want to step up your results. From there, yes, it is absolutely excellent.


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    #27380279 - 07/09/21 09:03 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Trying to understand the logic here.

In my case, I have been using the PF Tek with good results and want to switch over to a more bulk oriented grow. In order to do so, starting at the middle of this TEK makes sense.

However, going through all the trouble to create brf cakes to be used specifically for bulk does not make sense. There are much simpler and easier ways if you want to start with bulk. You need to go through the PF process first, in order to understand growing fundamentals. That is the purpose of PF. Then, you transition and use your already flushed BRF cakes.

This Tek only makes sense if you have already done PF Tek and now want to step up your results. From there, yes, it is absolutely excellent.




I am new. Personally, I want to jump into the deep end by starting with bulk while also leaving a little wiggle room for mitigating contaminants during the colonization stage. BRF is more forgiving than grain and starting with multiple small jars means that I am more likely to have something to move forward with even if I lose a few to contamination due to my inexperience.

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    #27380334 - 07/09/21 09:37 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Trying to understand the logic here.

In my case, I have been using the PF Tek with good results and want to switch over to a more bulk oriented grow. In order to do so, starting at the middle of this TEK makes sense.

However, going through all the trouble to create brf cakes to be used specifically for bulk does not make sense. There are much simpler and easier ways if you want to start with bulk. You need to go through the PF process first, in order to understand growing fundamentals. That is the purpose of PF. Then, you transition and use your already flushed BRF cakes.

This Tek only makes sense if you have already done PF Tek and now want to step up your results. From there, yes, it is absolutely excellent.




What are the much simpler and easier ways to grow bulk? Using BRF cakes as spawn lets you go to bulk using MSS and without the need of a PC. It unlocks bulk grows to new growers with very little complication or extra expense.


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    #27584004 - 12/16/21 05:44 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I have revised my methods, procedures, pictures, and I will be starting with fresh new cultures. Grow along with me, or just watch what I am doing its up to you.

For now I am waiting just like you would be if you just started growing with brf tek. I will post updates along the way good or bad, and fully intend to keep this post going for the long haul. If you decide to grow a long with me please post your pictures, and feel free to ask any questions as it may benefit a new musher.


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