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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
    #25007015 - 02/20/18 12:01 AM (6 years, 11 days ago)

Im not saying it is a bad idea...i love soawning cakes im saying the goal is not about what is better suited for cakes it is what is needed to fruit cubensis...i have seen cakes thrive in every fruiting chamber from monos to a sgfcto gh to a pop bottle not because if the chamver but because conditions are key and that us fundemental.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
    #25007030 - 02/20/18 12:10 AM (6 years, 11 days ago)

Thanks ham took two transfers :cheers:


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Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
    #25007051 - 02/20/18 12:20 AM (6 years, 11 days ago)

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Im not saying it is a bad idea...i love soawning cakes im saying the goal is not about what is better suited for cakes it is what is needed to fruit cubensis...i have seen cakes thrive in every fruiting chamber from monos to a sgfcto gh to a pop bottle not because if the chamver but because conditions are key and that us fundemental.



I agree with this 100 percent.

Some chambers keep conditions easier some need more attention, would you agree?

Some FC´s are harder to fuck the conditions in and some are easier to fuck up would you agree?

I´m making a point that your statement is true for people who are confident in maintaining proper fruiting conditions.
But many new growers struggle with keeping BRF cakes happy inside the SGFC from what I´ve seen so far :shrug:

That´s also the reason why I decided to try to help out as much as I can, I was tired of seeing all the lackluster cakes inside SGFC,
depressing to see to tell you the truth. Especially when I know the potential of the cakes when spawned.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
    #25007055 - 02/20/18 12:25 AM (6 years, 11 days ago)

I have zero experience with sgfc  and cakes  but..

Monos forever.  I feel like a sgfc is too much be to deal with (making it)

Mono is 6 holes and done.

:shrug:

Grain FTW.

Like what has been said (I think) it depends on what your need is.  5 grams a month or 500 grams a month :bongload:


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Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy.

Caps McGee said:
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
    #25007069 - 02/20/18 12:35 AM (6 years, 11 days ago)

I hear what your saying and like i said it isnt that i disagree with you it just brings me to the same point we brought to mushboy, write your tek or whatever but keep it to what it is...an option because if you come out saying stuff like a sgfc is not ideal for cakes it will be nothing short of a headache and a very justified one at that.

People need to understand the design of the fc before the expect the results desired...most fails we see with a sgfc come from this, ofyen peopke do not realize a sgfc is designed to be full of cakes...cakes are meant to be close not spaced apart...we mist the cakes to replace moisture.
Like any other chamber though we see people fail at mono tubs just as often as any other fc because of the same shit...failing to understand the basics.
I look foreward to your tek and appreciate all you are doing to help our future growers


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
    #25007082 - 02/20/18 12:44 AM (6 years, 11 days ago)

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I hear what your saying and like i said it isnt that i disagree with you it just brings me to the same point we brought to mushboy, write your tek or whatever but keep it to what it is...an option because if you come out saying stuff like a sgfc is not ideal for cakes it will be nothing short of a headache and a very justified one at that.



I can see this and I agree with this 100 percent. It´s not my place to have so strong opinions whit the limited experimentation
and experience that I have. I can totally understand this point.

In first place I will do more cakes inside SGFC and other FC´s and when I have consistent results with all methods I will
probably do a write up on some of the more effective and easier to work with FC´s. And I agree very much with that all new growers should learn about why the SGFC works in the first place. I quoted just a bit of your post but I agree with everything! Thanks for the kind words as well, and I can occasionally rant for a page or two I apologize if I gave anyone a headache :eatingout::takingnotes:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Inocuole]
    #25007186 - 02/20/18 02:31 AM (6 years, 11 days ago)

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There's really no derailing in general discussion.  If it stays civil and cult related, it ships.  If we're at the point that it can't stay civil and continue well then.. I'm familiar with that.  All the same, don't want anyone in particular to feel like they're "derailing the thread" when it's hardly on any tracks to begin with.  Even if I disagree with some of what gets posted, I'm all for the right to post it.




Right, and dude's cussing at me while regurgitating the same shit I disagree with over and over again. It's more like I don't think it's that beneficial for anyone than I think I'm ruining a thread. He's taking stuff personally that I'm not being personal about and I'd rather be done with it when dude's mad, talking about blocking me.

I think half his shit is his own opinion than he's considering facts. The other half are things that are just plain wrong, IMO, and he's not budging on any. To each their own.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #25007191 - 02/20/18 02:37 AM (6 years, 11 days ago)

We can disagree like adults it is healthy for the hobby, if not i have buttons to fix it.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #25007194 - 02/20/18 02:41 AM (6 years, 11 days ago)

You implied several times that I don´t take growing seriously and you can´t help yourself but to bring up bacterial spawn in every sentence.
You were VERY personal Stare and did your best to paint me out to be a super arrogant dude that doesnt respect anyone. You made a good effort to bring out stuff that have nothing to do with what were discussing.

I even complimented you on your style of posting and for being so informative, I wanted to show you that animosity is so unnecessary.
It´s totally okej do have different opinions Stare, but why try to make it so personal like you did?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mateja]
    #25007201 - 02/20/18 02:54 AM (6 years, 11 days ago)

I'd be pretty shocked if anybody else thought I was implying you were super arrogant, don't respect anyone, don't take growing seriously, etc. I have no clue where you're getting any of that and it's a recurring theme with you. I'll say one thing and you respond arguing another and we just run in circles. I don't think any of that, for what it's worth, and none of it ever crossed my mind in my earlier posts.

I brought up your bacterial grows because you're saying the main point behind "BRF to bulk is that new growers should be able to inoculate with bacterial spore solution" and referred to it as "bacterial spawn" in the next paragraph. When you're saying traditional PF Tek is going to fail for most new growers, it seems like you're implying PF Tek is for bacterial spawn and BRF to bulk is somehow the best way to use that bacterial spawn. And I disagree with everything involving that.

But others are pointing that out and you seem to disagree, so whatever.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #25007217 - 02/20/18 03:19 AM (6 years, 11 days ago)

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"What is a "mesh of low volume spawn" and why would a dunked cake suddenly not recover? I've never crumbled BRF cakes, but I can't see how hydrating a consolidated block of mycelium would suddenly kill it. If this happened to you, I'd say it's more likely because most of your grows are bacterial, no offense."

"It seems like a lot of your goals are to grow things with bacterial spawn in mind."

"I don't think you're trying to grow bacteria, but you're constantly trying to figure out ways to make bacteria a success, which is ass backwards, IMO. Do whatever works out for you, for sure, but it's frustrating that you're seemingly spending your time recommending the best way to patch over bacteria instead of focusing on avoiding it in the first place. Just my opinion, but learning to do shit the right way and getting fruits is optimal and what the site is about (for me, at least)."




This had nothing to do with the factual disagreements we had at any point, you decided on your own to try to make it personal and about me.


Second of all, I asked you several times to read the thread I discussed and you didn´t reply to that once.
You were misrepresenting and misinterpreting stuff I said the whole time and I told you all along to just read my posts in that thread and you
will understand perfectly that I only encourage new growers to do it as right as possible.

This is the last time I´m gonna explain it to you Stare and then I´m gonna leave it to rest, please try to pay attention to what I´m saying
and forget about anything else that has been said:


Spore syringes should be considered bacterial and that´s why we always recommend spores to agar first.
When I say "should be considered bacterial" I don´t mean that you´ll squirt out a colony of bacillus in every cc,
I simply mean that with said method you can go from spore syringe to consistent bulk yield grow after grow after grow.
And this is not my opinion, this is a fact. Several flushes is standard, substrate gets spent before anything sets in.
And we are not inoculating with clean culture but with bacterial spores.

Does this mean that I think inoculating with spore solution is the best method and something I would advise growers?
No of course I don´t think that and neither is that what I´m trying to advise to new growers.

Since they already have fully colonized cakes, why not spawn those cakes to bulk and practice a few bulk grows before
switching over to grain.

I do not have a fixation about growing bacterial spawn.
My goals are not to grow with bacterial spawn in mind.

The sooner you stop mentioning bacterial spawn the sooner we can go back to discussing relevant cultivation.

I say this one more time, I love your style of posting and how informative you are, but we have butted heads now a few times
lately and it feels like you are after me or something, at least I get that impression when personal stuff gets involved in a discussion that has nothing to do with the discussion. Maybe I overreact a bit and I apologize, but when have I been disrespectful towards you Stare?

I tried to talk to you before but you post talking about me in third person calling me "this dude" that´s not very respectful as a friend.

Should I view you as a person that doesn´t respect me as a fellow grower? I don´t want to think that. peace


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JHOVA] * 1
    #25007256 - 02/20/18 04:41 AM (6 years, 11 days ago)

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anybody have a link to the pp5 deli containers similar to the ones josex uses and ships to 'merica?



I think they ship to Merica now.

Thanks to a bud from the US that contacted the vendor. I'm not sure though, let me know if they ship to you please.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
    #25007409 - 02/20/18 07:57 AM (6 years, 11 days ago)

Thanks josex.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Josex]
    #25007413 - 02/20/18 07:59 AM (6 years, 11 days ago)

I’m more likely to try out a tek that’s tried, tested and true. Duplicate your technique over and over again for months on end with the same results and you’ve got me convinced. The proof is in the pudding, put your money where your mouth is, you know that sort of thing. I’m a firm believer and supporter of scientific method “a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.”


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Steevo]
    #25007442 - 02/20/18 08:19 AM (6 years, 11 days ago)

Write a TEK Mateah.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: JHOVA]
    #25007613 - 02/20/18 09:50 AM (6 years, 10 days ago)

How much lc do you guys use per qt of grain? I just got around to testing my lc's and they are clean...now time to noc some shit up

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Leftfield420]
    #25007621 - 02/20/18 09:53 AM (6 years, 10 days ago)

10 to 100 mls


100ml is overdoing it TBH :lol:


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Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
    #25007653 - 02/20/18 10:07 AM (6 years, 10 days ago)

i try to do as little as possible. with pouring LCs its easy to go from 5ccs to 50 real quick.

so try to pour a tinnnnny ass bit and youll still pour way more than you need. beats fuckin with ships and syringes tho.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #25007669 - 02/20/18 10:13 AM (6 years, 10 days ago)

I got my lc's in syringes, no needle or ship...just gonna open the lid and squirt some in, in front of my flowhood..

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Leftfield420]
    #25007670 - 02/20/18 10:16 AM (6 years, 10 days ago)

id just keep in the jar and pour. especially with a hood. id be pourin' like back in the day on da block for my homies.

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