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OfflinePatlal
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Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says.
    #25005772 - 02/19/18 04:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm officially immortal.

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Cheers to life — seriously.

When it comes to making it into your 90s, booze actually beats exercise, according to a long-term study.

The research, led by University of California neurologist Claudia Kawas, tracked 1,700 nonagenarians enrolled in the 90+ Study that began in 2003 to explore impacts of daily habits on longevity.

Researchers discovered that subjects who drank about two glasses of beer or wine a day were 18% less likely to experience a premature death, the Independent reports.

Meanwhile, participants who exercised 15 to 45 minutes a day, cut the same risk by 11%.

“I have no explanation for it, but I do firmly believe that modest drinking improves longevity,” Kawas stated over the weekend at the American Association for the Advancement of Science annual conference in Austin, Texas.

Other factors were found to boost longevity, including weight. Participants who were slightly overweight — but not obese — cut their odds of an early death by 3%.

“It’s not bad to be skinny when you’re young but it’s very bad to be skinny when you’re old,” Kawas noted in her address.

Subjects who kept busy with a daily hobby two hours a day were 21% less likely to die early, while those who drank two cups of coffee a day cut that risk by 10%.

Further study is needed to determine how habits impact longevity beyond people’s genetic makeups.




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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #25005827 - 02/19/18 04:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

this is really good news


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Patlal]
    #25005830 - 02/19/18 04:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, I've always read that moderate consumption is very beneficial.


I stash whiskey with my cleaning supplies.

Also keep warm beer in the ceiling of my back office.

And a flask behind the jukebox in the bar, it's not a big deal.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: etuHad4] * 1
    #25005832 - 02/19/18 04:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

On that note, off to buy a pallet of 4loko


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: plasma]
    #25005856 - 02/19/18 04:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I always wondered if alcohol in your blood might thin out plaque


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: cannabinated]
    #25005863 - 02/19/18 04:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #25005887 - 02/19/18 04:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

But yo, just saying, [quality of] the beverage definitely is a factor.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: shadyy]
    #25005890 - 02/19/18 04:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: cannabinated]
    #25005892 - 02/19/18 04:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

jk grapes are sulphered up


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: cannabinated]
    #25005893 - 02/19/18 04:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

vodka is probably healthiest


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: cannabinated]
    #25005945 - 02/19/18 05:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I’m gonna drink a 4loko infused with Jagerevery morning before work. Hopefully I live past 90 otherwise this is fucked


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: plasma] * 2
    #25005963 - 02/19/18 05:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So, drink booze and coffee, get a little fat, have a hobby shoplifting, get exercise by running from security and you will never die.

Lol you can find a study to confirm anything you want. The other goodies in the beer and wine are probably good for you, the alcohol not so much. Notice they did not say whisky or alcohol.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: plasma]
    #25005967 - 02/19/18 05:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

THe healthiest is tequila. It comes from agave, not sugar. You will notice that after a while drinking more of it doesn't increase the buzz. So you'll keep on drinking, then you'll be super drunk and feel as if you've only had a few. It's a weird phenomenon...


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Stonehenge]
    #25005983 - 02/19/18 05:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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So, drink booze and coffee, get a little fat, have a hobby shoplifting, get exercise by running from security and you will never die.

Lol you can find a study to confirm anything you want. The other goodies in the beer and wine are probably good for you, the alcohol not so much. Notice they did not say whisky or alcohol.




whisky is alcohol. Maters not if it is whisky to wine coolers, they all have ethanol in them. Concentration of ethanol is another matter.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Patlal]
    #25005984 - 02/19/18 05:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Apart from the fact its carcinogenic.  3.6% of all cancer cases and 3.5% of cancer deaths worldwide are attributable to consumption of alcohol.

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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Patlal]
    #25006002 - 02/19/18 05:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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THe healthiest is tequila. It comes from agave, not sugar. You will notice that after a while drinking more of it doesn't increase the buzz. So you'll keep on drinking, then you'll be super drunk and feel as if you've only had a few. It's a weird phenomenon...




Agave is just a different source for producing sugar. You start with starch or sugar. Convert the starch to sugar, yeasts eats sugar, expels waste products of alcohol and CO2, then dies when the alcohol concentration kills it or it runs out of sugar to eat.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Chaz08]
    #25006010 - 02/19/18 05:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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THe healthiest is tequila. It comes from agave, not sugar. You will notice that after a while drinking more of it doesn't increase the buzz. So you'll keep on drinking, then you'll be super drunk and feel as if you've only had a few. It's a weird phenomenon...




Agave is just a different source for producing sugar. You start with starch or sugar. Convert the starch to sugar, yeasts eats sugar, expels waste products of alcohol and CO2, then dies when the alcohol concentration kills it or it runs out of sugar to eat.




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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #25006038 - 02/19/18 05:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quality over quantity. Don't ever let anyone make fun of you for preferring 6'ers of microbrew over half racks of Budweiser.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Patlal]
    #25006235 - 02/19/18 07:10 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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THe healthiest is tequila. It comes from agave, not sugar. You will notice that after a while drinking more of it doesn't increase the buzz. So you'll keep on drinking, then you'll be super drunk and feel as if you've only had a few. It's a weird phenomenon...





All alcohol is made by fermented (and sometimes thereafter distilled) sugars. Agave Nectar is essentially honey, and distillation destroys a lot of healthy constituents found in the base (fermented agave extract wine/"mead"). I'd be really surprised if the healthiest is not strong thick beers; loaded with malts' proteins, strongly hopped early and late for their near unheard of (aside from weed) high level of alpha and beta acid terpenes , and some yeast sediment (i.e. B-Vitamins). Moreso if barrel-aged, for more tannins.  Some monks lived off it for 40 days during Lent in the past , and some still performing this fast each year, are the only account of living off a specific ethanol delivery vehical.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: DustBunny]
    #25006244 - 02/19/18 07:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: cannabinated]
    #25006257 - 02/19/18 07:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Does vodka count


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: NOUS333]
    #25006422 - 02/19/18 08:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Finally some good news.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: cannabinated]
    #25006440 - 02/19/18 08:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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terps



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Yes,  most all of those "terps", which are found in cannabis, and then some.  Both species are highest in Mycrene, and then caryophyllene, beta pinene and alpha humulene other chief terpenes.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: DustBunny] * 1
    #25006449 - 02/19/18 08:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

terrrrppssss


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: cannabinated]
    #25006453 - 02/19/18 08:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Well. Looks like I'm drinking again..


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    #25006593 - 02/19/18 10:10 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe wine deff not beer or liquor.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: tdubz]
    #25006695 - 02/19/18 11:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Based on what? Do you only mean macro adjunct "lagers"/swill? Most real beers have exponentially more malt and at least 60x the amount of hops. The majority sold closer to 150x (6lbs/barrel) than Bud Light.

Do you know why wine is beneficial? I don't assume it to be liquor, but real beer has way more kinds and percentage of antioxidants than wine. The terpenes in hops (also very neuroprotective and presumably help prevent cancer), grain proteins/starches/converted sugars of malt, probiotic and B vitamin loaded yeast. Throw it in a barrel, as is common today but was standard centuries ago, when monks were commonly doing that Lenten (beer) fast; When breweries started hopping the hell out of everything and brewing contemporarily American Strong ales a la Arrogant Bastard,  after realizing that it lowered the spoiling risk from  a month to years/forever (the original " IPA"'s). The barrel giving the healthy tannins, which are a big aspect of real "brown liquor" (not caramel food colored, like Bacardi/Jose / most other big brands), and wine. Aside from the neuroprotective and easily cardioprotective (it does lower risk of clotting at moderate consumption) effects of ethanol itself.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: DustBunny]
    #25006720 - 02/19/18 11:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Where can I find organic wine and beer? I've searched for 'natural wine' before and came up with nothing.


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    #25006734 - 02/19/18 11:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You can pitch beer all you want but health wise and calorie wise beer is beat, it is no secret daily beer consumption makes you fat, the more heavily hopped the beer the more calories it has plus carbination.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: tdubz]
    #25006740 - 02/19/18 11:29 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I agree. I had gluten free beer recently and it was nice.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: DustBunny]
    #25007127 - 02/20/18 03:18 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Stay away from canned beers peeps pay that extra for bottles, Aluminum is a nerve toxin tho it doesnt build up like lead getting hammered on a case or sipping a few after work thats been sitting in a warehouse for who knows how long is probably not good for you even in small amounts.

Plus u can use the bottles for Molotov cocktails :stoned:


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: cannabinated]
    #25007195 - 02/20/18 04:43 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

No  need to search for "organic". Look for local real beer available, see its BeerAdvocate rating (and the brewery's. Even the relatively giant Sierra Nevada is more than carbon neutral; Real breweries are generally good-hearted. It's the smaller/local breweries that are more likely to do something like that, and that said, support your local breweries. Still unlikely to be any sort of dangerous chemicals on the grain/hops/yeast. There's merely a handful sources for grain relatively to the thousands of micro breweries.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: DustBunny]
    #25007204 - 02/20/18 04:57 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm I didn't know this

Time to take a shot of whiskey
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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Patlal]
    #25007236 - 02/20/18 06:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

They have known for many decades that moderate drinkers live longer than alcohol abstainers. I don't remember any studies to determine if its a causal relationship or a spurious correlation, and its probably a little of both. Besides the physical effects of moderate drinking, my theory is that moderate drinkers are on average less uptight than abstainers, which would also lead to longer life span.


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    #25007556 - 02/20/18 11:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

so you gotta be a little drunk, a little chubby, hit dat coffee in the morning, and play magic the gathering.

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    #25007606 - 02/20/18 11:48 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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so you gotta be a little drunk, a little chubby, hit dat coffee in the morning, and play magic the gathering.

im going to live to 150




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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Patlal]
    #25007622 - 02/20/18 11:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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so you gotta be a little drunk, a little chubby, hit dat coffee in the morning, and play magic the gathering.

im going to live to 150




Nerd...




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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #25007630 - 02/20/18 11:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Let's blow a hole in this :biggestnuke:


People who drink modest amounts of alcohol live longer for the same reason that people who use multivitamins live shorter.

How can it be?

alcohol is toxic
vitamins are beneficial.

How can it be?


Think about it. Think outside the box.


People with frail health are not going to chance drinking booze, they will be inclined to decrease risk so they will opt for vitamins instead. People with robust health don't feel a particular need to curb their low grade alcohol habit or look for over the counter remedies to feel better and be healthier, such as multivitamins.

Why do I drink one-half cup of coffee a day? Because I'm a post-heart attack heart patient who'll get sick from one strong cup of coffee.
Why do you drink 6 cups of strong coffee and an energy drink? Because you are not a post-infarction heart patient.
Does that mean that drinking six cups of coffee os healthier than drinking one-half?
Think again. You poison yourself harder because you can afford it with your more robust health. If YOU drank half a cup you'd live longer than you live now with six.

Of course big pharma wants us both to poison ourselves harder so they can medicate the consequences.

The box they shoehorn you in is that association equals causation. Wearing top grade safety boots doesnt make you more likely to end up in a wheelchair, its the fact that you work at a job that requires you to wear top grade safety boots.



Boom goes the dynamite :biggestnuke:


Statistics are like this ALL THE TIME.

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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Asante] * 1
    #25007663 - 02/20/18 12:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Why do I drink one-half cup of coffee a day? Because I'm a post-heart attack heart patient who'll get sick from one strong cup of coffee.
Why do you drink 6 cups of strong coffee and an energy drink? Because you are not a post-infarction heart patient.






Dude you shove 5-methyl-M8I-FD6 up your ass on a regular basis...


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Asante]
    #25007746 - 02/20/18 12:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

5-methyl-M8I-FD6 is one of the few heart neutral drugs out there.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Asante]
    #25007871 - 02/20/18 01:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Like Mick said, this is nothing new....they've known for along time that 1 or 2 drinks a day was good for your heart. However, when you go beyond that, the numbers nose dive the other way. Personally, I could never drink 1 or 2 of anything.:shrug:


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #25008040 - 02/20/18 02:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I've pretty much mastered the art of moderation when it comes to alcohol

I can take a nice phat sip from the bottle and just put it down after that with zero desire to imbibe in more

But that's mostly because my DOC is cannabis so most nights I don't even drink at all but after learning this I'll probably start taking a sip every night


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #25009169 - 02/20/18 09:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

It's not so simple, hence the reason "healthy" has gone from 1-4+/day. Coffee has been great for our cardiovascular system, then bad, and repeated several times. There are the (seemingly) obvious benefits/detriment- Alcohol thins the blood, as well as loosens/dissolves fat. On the other hand, in excess it often damages every organ of our body by multiple mechanisms. Ultimately, we understand nothing about longevity. Some smokers in areas with horrible air quality have lower rates of respiratory problem/detriment than the control. Obviously, this is extremely unusual compared to what we believe we know. There are many people losing their vision, and very considerable cognitive decline and overall organ failure from daily heavy drinking by age 30. Yet, there are a significant amount of people approaching 100 that have drank that much for decades.

In any case, I assume the most consistent factor in longevity is happiness/low-stress and healthy activity (muscles). Stress does kill. Drinking heavily does not equal low stress, it often is an indicator of extremely high stress/discontent level and gradually worsening heart rate fluctuations, leading to a weaker, then failing heart. My heart rate raised to 180-200 within 12hrs while at my worse/heaviest consumption. I was drinking predominately do to stress at the time. Occasionally, despite being well-drunk, big enough stress led to my heart rate to rise that much. That's considerably more dangerous than a non-drinker's raising so much. As is such a heart rate in any sort of significant alcohol withdrawal.

Were I actively trying to live as long/healthy as possible, I would live as my longest ancestors did. Genetics are inarguably a big factor, and harmful or beneficial things affect different people (genes) differently. If we know anything, it's that one-size does not fit all in almost every aspect of our bodies.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: DustBunny]
    #25009183 - 02/20/18 09:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm playing it safe.

I'm drinking 5 cups of coffee and 10 ounces of alcohol a day. That should cover the daily recommendation. I don't take chances, I take a little bit more than recommended.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Patlal]
    #25009291 - 02/20/18 10:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Sarcasm? Recommended is recommended, meaning extra is extraneous. More is absolutely not always safer. 10oz of pure ethanol per day? That's 25 standard drinks. 5 cups of coffee means nothing, since one can brew coffee as strong/weak as desired. Also, the aromatics in coffee seem to be a significant aspect of why it has shown to be beneficial.

I drink one cup each morning, but it contains 2 volumetric cups of fresh grounds (to 2c water). With 1/8c grounds the most commonly used standard- despite artisanal coffee shops and even giant chains using twice that or more- my "one cup" has ~16 standard cups worth. While the majority of coffee-drinkers in the US would (and have IME) dry heave after a miniscule sip, it contains dangerous amounts of caffeine to anyone without an extreme tolerance.
Higher concentration leads to drastically greater blood levels than 16 "standard/eighth" cups. Same principal as to why it's physically impossible to get higher than certain BAC levels from low ABV drinks (the water). 

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If you aren't being facetious- if concentrated coffee doses are detrimental to a every/anyone, 5 cups of "standard" coffee is safer than one cup brewed with the same amount of grounds. Again, though, we just don't know. I'd personally speculate that at least low amounts of coffee are not terribly unhealthy, however were I playing it safe, I'd limit it to a shotglass of my same preferred concentration, and instead drink much more tea (including some powdered/"Matcha". Assuming I didn't already drink a lot of tea in the first place, as too much of that can be harmful, too.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: shadyy]
    #25009407 - 02/20/18 11:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, I've always read that moderate consumption is very beneficial.


I stash whiskey with my cleaning supplies.

Also keep warm beer in the ceiling of my back office.

And a flask behind the jukebox in the bar, it's not a big deal.





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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Salomon]
    #25010854 - 02/21/18 05:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

A new study came out today that links a much higher rate of dementia for people who "abuse" alcohol....in other words, alcoholics. I think it was around a 16% higher chance of getting either early onset dementia...(before you're 40) or standard old peoples dementia.
I can certainly believe this as should anyone who has lived with a wet alcoholic. The short term memory is completely shot and they wind up repeating themselves over and over.....I know because I was one for awhile and also lived with an active alcoholic that drove me and everyone around her crazy for years after I got sober.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #25011524 - 02/21/18 09:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

This is a terrible fucking study no it is not

alcohol is a sanitizer that's why we drink it
it damages every organ it comes into contact with
that's like saying smoking tobbacco cures emphesma... weed just dries out your lungs a little
alcohol sets off your body temperature to fight a cold
you should not procreate after drinking alcohol or drink during pregnancy!!!
alcohol is a very dangerous drug, amy winehouse even died from alcohol withdrawl, just died dry heaving other people drink so much their blood  get's crystalized and hits their heart
other people lose their life or fortune on alcohol

this is just click bait bullshit and we all know what kind of people post this kinda shit, this is tabloid journalism!! drugs are bad m'kay


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Patlal]
    #25011537 - 02/21/18 09:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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THe healthiest is tequila. It comes from agave, not sugar. You will notice that after a while drinking more of it doesn't increase the buzz. So you'll keep on drinking, then you'll be super drunk and feel as if you've only had a few. It's a weird phenomenon...




my friend and i and several other people from groups I won't name name's drank that shit until we were fucking crazy blasted out of our minds like on the verge of falling on the ground and just dying right there what the fuck are you people saying?!


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Konyap]
    #25011572 - 02/21/18 09:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Now I actually feel like I don't have a drinking problem. I've been questioning myself lately.  Thanks for the support.:thumbup:


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Thayendanegea] * 1
    #25011590 - 02/21/18 09:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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A new study came out today that links a much higher rate of dementia for people who "abuse" alcohol....in other words, alcoholics. I think it was around a 16% higher chance of getting either early onset dementia...(before you're 40) or standard old peoples dementia.
I can certainly believe this as should anyone who has lived with a wet alcoholic. The short term memory is completely shot and they wind up repeating themselves over and over.....I know because I was one for awhile and also lived with an active alcoholic that drove me and everyone around her crazy for years after I got sober.





I read this article.
56.5% of early-onset dimentia is alcohol related

Yes, you might live a little longer if you drink x amount of alcohol a day. But it could also negate that benefit by hindering your ability to enjoy that extended life span with health problems and disease


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Konyap]
    #25011603 - 02/21/18 09:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: plasma]
    #25011607 - 02/21/18 09:27 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I say horse shit on the news story.

LOT's of people live a long time that never drink.  I'd bet that drinking over all lowers the chance of living longer.

It's like having studies of people from a generation that smoked a lot.  Sure, there is going to be people that smoked and lived a long time.  Sure as shit doesn't mean smoking is the key to living longer.

If they said being stupid was the key to living long...does it make it so?  And would more people admit to being stupid?  Perhaps even more effort to being stupid?


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #25011723 - 02/21/18 10:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Its true that alcohol in moderation is helpful for your heart and circulation. However that benefit is more than offset by the increased risk of cancer and other diseases. They have not been able to show overall greater health or longer life from alcohol. That said, a small amount of beer or wine might be slightly beneficial but the risk of alcoholism makes even that doubtful

What is good about wine is the other goodies in it like resveratrol, etc, not the alcohol. Same story with coffee, the anti oxidants etc are good for you but the caffeine is not. Non alcohol beer or wine might be very good. Or just drink, grape juice

Vitamins are good for health, whoever told you they live less long is lying. In moderation and so on, too much of anything is bad even water


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Thayendanegea] * 2
    #25012275 - 02/22/18 03:08 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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A new study came out today that links a much higher rate of dementia for people who "abuse" alcohol....in other words, alcoholics. I think it was around a 16% higher chance of getting either early onset dementia...(before you're 40) or standard old peoples dementia.
I can certainly believe this as should anyone who has lived with a wet alcoholic. The short term memory is completely shot and they wind up repeating themselves over and over.....I know because I was one for awhile and also lived with an active alcoholic that drove me and everyone around her crazy for years after I got sober.





There has been plenty of those, fortunately and unfortunately..  :crazy: would only add that many common Rx's, especially but far from only benzodiazepines cause  the same. That said, while certain cultures glorify Alprazolam habits, most everyone accepts the obvious proof (even  the highest profile celebrities /rappers after a seizure or few. I assume significant exasperation, and much less creating dementia is common with 1-4 standard drinks/day, for the majority of Americans and citizens of other countries with generations of alcoholism, but that is an assumption. Plus, for us Americans, we are constantly changing things by adding novel food additives to what we (or most people, at least) daily- there is an overwhelming rate of what were insanely rare cancers being diagnosed  today strongly correlated with the new diet "Zero" sodas (have a Tab). It'd be foolish to assume they only cause such, and overlook all of the other new additives/preservatives, compared to the much simpler processed foods of baby boomers.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: DustBunny]
    #25012674 - 02/22/18 10:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

DB that is very true about the additives to our food being mostly untested at least in the long run and possibly doing us a lot of harm. Aspartame for example was pushed through via political pressure and many people have a problem with it. Its associated with cns problems already.

MSG is another one to avoid, I try not to use much processed foods and mostly buy organic. Benzos are well known to cause loss of memory and dementia, they are hard drugs, imo. Other sleeping pills have been implicated too.

The beneficial properties of alcoholic drinks has not been established. But a glass of wine or one or two beers a day probably do no harm from the little bit of alcohol and the other goodies will do some good.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Stonehenge]
    #25015063 - 02/23/18 04:12 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

That is not what I said at all-

Actually, aspartame is extremely benign regarding other common artificial sweetness. As I mentioned in my last post "(if drinking diet cola,) have a Tab". The original diet soda, which contained aspartame. It is a perfect example of ~70's processed food being far more natural than today. People got sued for advertising <50% cheese as cheese. It contained ~51% healthy vegetable fat.  They changed that, adding  a multitude of near completely novel chemicals. It is very much seeming to be a huge factor in the unheard of cancers(/rates) popping upi

I agree about real beer probably having little-no detriment at 1-2 (standard, i.e. only one 10% imperial ___) drinks. That said, and being the devil's advocate, we have no idea if it's caused by  the ethanol, and/or is simply result of centuries of your ancestors drinking " heavy" by today. At earliest, drinking almost exclusively beer from it being  sanitized.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: DustBunny]
    #25015766 - 02/23/18 01:18 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.sweetpoison.com/aspartame-information.html

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The structure of aspartame seems simple, but what a complicated structure aspartame really is. Two isolated amino acids in aspartame are fused together by its third component, deadly methanol. In this structure, methanol bonds the two amino acids together, but when released at a mere 86 degrees Fahrenheit, the methanol becomes a poisonous free radical.

Methanol breaks down into formic acid and formaldehyde, embalming fluid. Methanol is a dangerous neurotoxin, a known carcinogen, causes retinal damage in the eye, interferes with DNA replication, and causes birth defects.
Aspartic acid makes up forty percent of the structure of aspartame. Under excess conditions, the structure of aspartic acid can cause endocrine (hormone) disorders and vision problems. Aspartic acid is a neuroexicter, which means its structure affects the central nervous system. Hyperactivity is stimulated by aspartic acid, so this structure is not good for ADD/ADHD conditions and should be avoided during pregnancy.
Adverse reactions to aspartic acid are: headaches/migraines, nausea, abdominal pain, fatigue, sleep disorders, vision problems, anxiety attacks, depression, and asthma/chest tightness. The second isolated amino acid in aspartame's chemical structure is phenylalanine, fifty percent of aspartame's 3-D structure. Too much phenylalanine causes seizures, elevated blood plasma, is dangerous for pregnancy causing retardation, PMS caused by phenylalanine's blockage of serotonin, insomnia, and severe mood swings.




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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Stonehenge]
    #25025371 - 02/27/18 04:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

:confused: Our bodies produce more methanol from a serving of fruit than many packets of "Sweet 'n Low" artificial sweetener or knock-off containing aspartame or 0.3L roughly of several different types of spirits.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9267548/

The aspartame = carcinogenic/causes methanol production was the first, and easily perhaps the most widespread (generations later, people still believe it) knowingly false health scare/scam. It's just like the DARE propaganda (of the US) which uses pics of massive brain damage from known, well-past-lethal doses of meth given to rats, as regular effects of meth and MDMA.

Aspartame also has direct or indirect slight NMDA antagonism, which have shown to reverse GABAnergic excitotoxicity damage (and vice versa). We have no idea what regularly, daily consumption of it does, but the myth/exaggeration of its risks is well documented. In any case, older food products containing aspartame and less added chemicals as a  whole are associated with far less risk of what were rare cancers and disorders becoming more common with the next wave of artifical sweetners+flavoring agent combos, and  even more with the newest "Zero"'s


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: DustBunny]
    #25032271 - 03/01/18 06:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/08/29/aspartame-health-risks.aspx

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After following 474 diet soda drinkers for nearly 10 years, researchers found that the drinkers' waists grew 70 percent more than the waists of non-diet soda drinkers. Further, those who drank two or more diet sodas a day had a 500 percent greater increase in waist size.1,2 A similar study published in 2015 also revealed a "striking dose-response relationship" between diet soda consumption and waist circumference.

People who never drank diet soda increased their waist circumference by an average of 0.8 inches during the nine-year observation period, while daily diet soda drinkers gained an average of nearly 3.2 inches — quadruple that of those who abstained from diet soda altogether.3

Even occasional diet soda drinkers added an average of 1.83 inches to their waistline in that time period. The link between aspartame, the most used artificial sweetener worldwide, and weight gain, obesity and other health problems is so strong that some are now calling it one of the greatest consumer frauds of all time




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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Stonehenge]
    #25032579 - 03/02/18 02:22 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I stated that newer generations of sweetener are associated with a ton of what were rare cancers/syndromes, aspartame is rare now and not anywhere near as much. The whole reason you/everyone believes that it's so harmful was founded on a lie/propeganda, exactly like is so common with drugs. Enough of anything will kill you, whether aspartame, salt, or water. They just tested its LD50 to see how much was dangerous. I did not nor will disagree with the study about their effect on weight, it is ultimately irrelevant as a small, and easy reversible "problem". Diet drinkers are more likely to be overweight period, we don't know yet what effect any artificial sweetener has. Again, that is irrelevant to what I disagreed with in your post.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: DustBunny]
    #25032601 - 03/02/18 02:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I find that very strange because I was inside my house alot not working and i lost 10 lbs of muscle which is to be expected but somehow since then I've gained 30 pounds of fat, even though I really don't eat much but I do drink one soda a day other times I'll just dump it in the sink.


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Re: Drinking alcohol is the key to living past 90, study says. [Re: Konyap]
    #25033010 - 03/02/18 10:34 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You should dump them all in the sink. They make me sick, literally. I'm not the only one, here are some links to more info about serious side effects. Did you know the fda stopped accepting reports on bad reactions to aspartame? They got tired of hearing it I guess

http://www.sweetpoison.com/aspartame-side-effects.html

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