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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Xerbia]
    #25003057 - 02/18/18 08:24 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Pf-Tek is old and outdated. It's the equivalent of dial up internet.



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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25003234 - 02/18/18 10:04 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I honestly agree entirely.

The real innovation PF came up with was not those tiresome birthed naked little cakes but a short-time steamable supplemented bulk substrate thanks to combining BRF and vermiculite.  The cake method itself is ultra lame in the context of mushroom growing as a whole now.  PF-Tek as a cake method, and the clever but tiresome little fruiting chamber it’s paired with, is exhausting and complicated compared to this method. It’s appeal at the time was reliability. We’ve achieved BETTER reliability now and here it’s in a much simpler method that should also have more appeal for beginners, especially those unsure of how much they will continue to grow if at all, and for those who intend to grow more the very few equipment choices flow much better into other growing methods than did the entire list of PF-tek equipment save the substrate.

In short, the forum has pretty much no excuse to push PF-tek anymore. It’s a reliably functional but outdated and outclassed tek by essentially every other current one on this forum.

Even if you still wanted, for whatever silly reason, to use the shotgun style cake fruiting approach, the better tek is using containers like these ziplocs to grow them out and birth them. At which point might as well just set them in a plain easy tote and fruit them like v-tek.


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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Xerbia]
    #25003847 - 02/18/18 02:41 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Pf-Tek is old and outdated. It's the equivalent of dial up internet.



when you gain some more experience you will see how your statement is totally uneducated.
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Pf-Tek is old and outdated. It's the equivalent of dial up internet.



BRF cakes deserve an award for versitality when it comes to home cultivation, your comment shows how little you know about what the Pf Tek even is...


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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Mateja]
    #25003867 - 02/18/18 02:50 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not gettin the hate for PF-Tek. :shrug: I've loved having a constant rotation of fruiting cakes for a while now. It's easy and gives nice results.

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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Mateja]
    #25003953 - 02/18/18 03:32 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Pf-Tek is old and outdated. It's the equivalent of dial up internet.



when you gain some more experience you will see how your statement is totally uneducated.
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Pf-Tek is old and outdated. It's the equivalent of dial up internet.



BRF cakes deserve an award for versitality when it comes to home cultivation, your comment shows how little you know about what the Pf Tek even is...




Thanks for the input, now I've got another to add to the list of info to disregard on these forums :wink:

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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: LtLurker]
    #25003959 - 02/18/18 03:33 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not gettin the hate for PF-Tek. :shrug: I've loved having a constant rotation of fruiting cakes for a while now. It's easy and gives nice results.




I'm not saying it doesn't work, but there are cheaper, more efficient, and easier teks.

Mudafukas bottle tek is another one that I believe is far better than pf-tek.

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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Xerbia]
    #25003974 - 02/18/18 03:43 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Mudafukas bottle tek is another one that I believe is far better than pf-tek.




apples to bananas man..  the pf tek is for learning the mushroom life cycles for beginners and its a handy way to test LC or get more spores from the last of what you got.  or to get a variety of spores quickly without having to grow large amounts.. 

mudas bottles are just mini bulk grows. 

once you have the basics down yeah not much need for the pf tek but that doesnt make it any less of a tool in the myco world. 

if you hate on pf tek then you have become a myco snob..  well..  you go be to good for the rest of us and remain ignorant.. especially with statements like this one. 

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Thanks for the input, now I've got another to add to the list of info to disregard on these forums :wink:




thats just a closed minded thing to say as well as spiteful and unnecessary.    argue science not pettiness :smirk:


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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: 13shrooms]
    #25003993 - 02/18/18 03:53 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Mudafukas bottle tek is another one that I believe is far better than pf-tek.




apples to bananas man..  the pf tek is for learning the mushroom life cycles for beginners and its a handy way to test LC or get more spores from the last of what you got.  or to get a variety of spores quickly without having to grow large amounts.. 

mudas bottles are just mini bulk grows. 

once you have the basics down yeah not much need for the pf tek but that doesnt make it any less of a tool in the myco world. 

if you hate on pf tek then you have become a myco snob..  well..  you go be to good for the rest of us and remain ignorant.. especially with statements like this one. 

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Thanks for the input, now I've got another to add to the list of info to disregard on these forums :wink:




thats just a closed minded thing to say as well as spiteful and unnecessary.    argue science not pettiness :smirk:




How is it being a snob saying the pf tek is outdated? I have no problem admitting I'm a complete noob when it comes to mycology.

I wish someone would have told me when first starting to do a tek other than pf tek. When I did pf tek I dealt with more contamination, less yield, a much longer process, and the SGFC just being a huge annoyance.

Using pastyplates agar eliminated the contamination problem, and sped up the process big time. Using vtek/bottle tek gave me much better yield, and cut down on the overall mess/annoyance of SGFC.

The only ignorance I see is people not just saying, yes pftek is old and outdated, it's not worth wasting your time with.

How many experienced cultivators here do you see using pftek still? None. My time is valuable, and I'd rather not waste it with something like pftek.

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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Xerbia]
    #25004008 - 02/18/18 04:02 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Anyways arguing with those of you set on pf tek isn't going to change your mind, clearly.

Really my posting in this thread was for any other new people getting into this hobby on the fence with which tek to start with. I'd highly recommend skipping pf tek all together, and doing Vtek which works great, or looking into Mudafukas bottle tek which also works great.

If you want to save a lot of time, and hassle, pf tek is something I'd avoid.

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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Xerbia]
    #25004018 - 02/18/18 04:07 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Did you miss Josex biopsy thread? Eats slurry thread? Pf to bulk?

This convo is as short sighted as saying LI is better than LC or vice versa.

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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Xerbia]
    #25004065 - 02/18/18 04:39 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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How many experienced cultivators here do you see using pftek still? None. My time is valuable, and I'd rather not waste it with something like pftek.




quite a few actually, a few TCs even..  if you fuck up the pf tek then you need more practice at the basics..  now I agree with you 100% its not for everyone and its not even the best to start with but it serves many purposes.  not for just straight up growing cubes by the numbers but quick culture tests or LI/LC or agar tests and getting thru generations of spores for when you are trying to stabilize hybrids etc..    I just dont agree with its outdated..  old but useful as a tool.  :plur:


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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: 13shrooms]
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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25004079 - 02/18/18 04:50 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25004102 - 02/18/18 05:04 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: 13shrooms]
    #25004107 - 02/18/18 05:06 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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How many experienced cultivators here do you see using pftek still? None. My time is valuable, and I'd rather not waste it with something like pftek.




quite a few actually, a few TCs even..  if you fuck up the pf tek then you need more practice at the basics..  now I agree with you 100% its not for everyone and its not even the best to start with but it serves many purposes.  not for just straight up growing cubes by the numbers but quick culture tests or LI/LC or agar tests and getting thru generations of spores for when you are trying to stabilize hybrids etc..    I just dont agree with its outdated..  old but useful as a tool.  :plur:




My post was aimed at the absolute noob starting their first grow, with classic pf tek for growing cubes being compared to vtek/bottle tek growing cubes.

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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Xerbia]
    #25004125 - 02/18/18 05:16 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I think the detail that a number of growers here still do it is fairly inconsequential. From a perspective of objectivity that means as little as they’ve continued something that has worked in the past. Dedication to that method however doesn’t lend any kind of automatic credence to it.  The points on pf-tek’s obsolecence, or at least its sore thumb status in comparison with the practicals and performance of all the other fully functioning teks, outweigh its nostalgic value.  At this point I would just re-emphasize my last post.


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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Violet]
    #25004234 - 02/18/18 06:10 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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I think the detail that a number of growers here still do it is fairly inconsequential. From a perspective of objectivity that means as little as they’ve continued something that has worked in the past. Dedication to that method however doesn’t lend any kind of automatic credence to it.  The points on pf-tek’s obsolecence, or at least its sore thumb status in comparison with the practicals and performance of all the other fully functioning teks, outweigh its nostalgic value.  At this point I would just re-emphasize my last post.




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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Xerbia]
    #25007975 - 02/20/18 12:35 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

ok Violet, you made me 2nd guess myself about the mushrooms giving off enough moisture to humidify the substrate at sub level as you stated earlier..  I have looked for 2 days on that topic, all over the internet/books etc..  please find 1, just 1 anything that backs your claims because it isnt true.. do you seriously think you know or discovered something about fungi that paul stamets missed or RR after years of actual science being done?  actual physics etc..  you have none of that in your threads with all the claims you make about your way is superior/more efficient etc :blah:

AND IF you find something legit other than opinion or observation by an unknown whomever I will leave you alone forever.. :plur:

but I bet you cant cus its not scientifically true.  as are most of your threads just a bunch of violet observations that are just not backed by actual science..  sorry but this is really bugging me that you spread info like this and people blindly follow you without proof, just your long winded drivel about what you think is happening when you do no actual science to prove anything ever..  just :blah::blah::blah:

just 1 actual fact about moisture given off by a mushroom or mushrooms that will maintain humidity or even give off enough to measure moisture lost, like you say..  :smirk:


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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: 13shrooms]
    #25008078 - 02/20/18 01:10 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

... wow. Honestly I was speechless for a while there.

You, an open and admitted troll of mine, basically admitted to practically obsessing over this for two days looking for something that matches your pointed straw-man take of my statement about humidity, and then come in here acting as if not only is there no way I could be speaking with credibility but that I have to have other people corroborate it in just the exact way you qualify.  Like being able to talk about my teks requires your authorization, you’ve set me up with your little hoops.

Also you pretty blatantly are glossing over a number of details that (1) give me and my statement enough credibility to have made  it, much less deserve your mega-overblown reach to discredit me overall, and (2) indicate how petty and biased your motives are

The basis for the observation and its wording was actually seeded from a RR quote I’m pretty positive.  I don’t have much time to try and dig but for the moment I had to try a moment ago the keywords I was trying to use all fed a dense mess of a variety of results. Maybe I’ll try again later, if I think it’s worth the bother, because truly it is barely relevant


If nothing else, treat it like the grower’s observation it is.

I’m incredibly familiar with my methods. You are only familiar with trolling them/me. You say again and again you don’t and wouldn’t do it.  After everything you’ve said there’s no chance I could believe any little attempt you might make is in good faith.  On this forum it’s come-and-go no names that show the best grows of my method, whereas the core growers here have sadly little to show as far as efforts to make the grow work as described.

So that not only gives me a stronger authority here but reminds us about the lack of authority and objectivity that you have on the topic of me, my teks, and my statements, all.


I clarify that before I get to the obvious.

Mushrooms evaporate water.

MUSHROOMS EVAPORATE WATER.

I would call it senseless and masturbatory to bother setting up an experiment to show that water evaporates from mushrooms just like it evaporates from anything else. Drying our mushrooms to prepare them after harvest should he sign enough.  Requiring humidification or containment to reduce or eliminate desiccation is not just for substrates but applies to the mushrooms too. If you put a cake growing mushrooms in open air they’ll still grow even as they begin to dry out too much. They, like the substrate which is also exposed, will begin to dry out... emitting humidity.
... But what if it were only the mushrooms that were first exposed to the air?


As far as professional reference.  This is so plain and duh of a topic I don’t even have to offer a link to smash this accusation. (Frankly in posturing yourself so heavily into this position you’ve really shown your own lack of grow sense and knowledge as well as the lengths you’ll go to to slander me.)
I have a fat copy of Stamet’s GGMM right next to my bed that shows pinning conditions for “pinning” and “cropping” of a wide variety of cultivar mushrooms. In the descriptions of cultivating many mushrooms he also discusses the fluction of humidity to allow the mushrooms to evaporate their surface moisture and some of their own.  He discusses dropping humidity of mushrooms before harvest so that the mushrooms evaporate some moisture and develop a manner of skin which helps with shelf life, also largely influenced by evaporation of water from the mushrooms, where their moisture can be used to allow the development of mold or even the reversion of the mushroom mycelium back to colonizing state.  Often times, like Oysters and Lion’s Mane, THE SUBSTRATE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF A BAG AND CANNOT ITSELF LOSE MOISTURE TO HUMIDIFY THE FRUITING CHAMBER.
And I’m also thinking I remember discussion of this effect in bottle growing methods used for years in Easrern countries


IN MY METHOD WHICH I DEVELOPED, WROTE UP, AND HAVE USED FREQUENTLY FOR YEARS, evaporation from growing mushrooms is seen easily as you familiarize yourself with the grow. Condensation from humidity emitted from the mushrooms is seen near mushrooms and their cap several inches above the level of the substrate.  The signs of moisture loss with sub-saturation humidity that are seen from harsh open air or too-loose lids can be entirely avoided, even when fully removing the lid, by waiting until a simultaneous flush of pins are half developed before increasing the airflow.  As they get large enough, moisture loss from the mushrooms becomes sufficient to keep the moisture near the substrate at or near saturation where little evaporation occurs.
It just does.

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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Violet] * 1
    #25008096 - 02/20/18 01:15 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think Pf-tek is worthless. Like shiiiiit. So contamn resistant. noob friendly. It takes a loooot to fuck it up.

This is a quart jar full of BRF mix getting top fruited, thats so much.



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