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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Stonehenge]
#25005875 - 02/19/18 02:46 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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The special counsel presented their findings to a grand jury who issued the indictments, correct.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Stonehenge] 1
#25005881 - 02/19/18 02:47 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/17/facebooks-vp-of-ads-says-russian-meddling-aimed-to-divide-us.html
"The majority of the Russian ad spend happened AFTER the election...but very few outlets have covered it because it doesn't align with the main media narrative of Trump and the election."
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: qman]
#25005907 - 02/19/18 02:54 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I haven't listened to any MSM reports except one from fox where they blamed Obama (lol), but the official narrative is that their efforts were to sow dischord and civil unrest so that makes perfect sense.
Based on a lot of conversation here, particularly from the right, I get the impression that you don't actually know what the other sides 'narrative' is and just believe what your side tells you their narrative is. I mean as a leftie how many times in this thread did I have to correct people for defending or attacking points I never even brought up?
I'm sure it happens on the left as well, but again I don't watch main stream media, I only tend to interact with the right, and I try to be mindful of what I do read to ensure I don't form a false narrative; I try my best to sort through the fact and recognize when something is an opinion, and when I express an opinion I try to clarify it as such. At the end of the day the facts are what really matter.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: qman] 1
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But q, what are a few minor facts when you have a lot of emotion to express? Facts are just annoying little things to be ignored by the far left when they don't fit into the story they are trying to tell.
You know the funniest thing about all this and many other things too is that the left is the willing and eager tool of the very people they profess to hate. Namely the 1%, the ultra rich and the elites. Who do you think controls the media outlets with their lies and distortions? Its not the gop, I'll give you guys a clue to start with.
The elites bring in floods of cheap labor causing low wages, the left cheers. But then they bitch about no raises, working for min and can't find a decent job. They are unable to connect the dots even if you connect the dots for them. They whine about crime but are all in favor of more muslims and other illiterates coming over. There is some serious cognitive dissonance going on.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: qman] 2
#25005916 - 02/19/18 02:56 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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sold off a lot of our strategic uranium reserves but no biggie
The way you describe this is hilarious. I wonder if you actually have any clue what this story is actually about. Without google, can you explain what happened?
Stonehenge, I don't think there is another more dutiful propaganda sponge than you. You know every talking point and aren't burdened with knowing any actual facts
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Stonehenge]
#25005923 - 02/19/18 02:58 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Aaaannd... like so...
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
#25005925 - 02/19/18 02:59 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I haven't listened to any MSM reports except one from fox where they blamed Obama (lol), but the official narrative is that their efforts were to sow dischord and civil unrest so that makes perfect sense.
Based on a lot of conversation here, particularly from the right, I get the impression that you don't actually know what the other sides 'narrative' is and just believe what your side tells you their narrative is. I mean as a leftie how many times in this thread did I have to correct people for defending or attacking points I never even brought up?
I'm sure it happens on the left as well, but again I don't watch main stream media, I only tend to interact with the right, and I try to be mindful of what I do read to ensure I don't form a false narrative; I try my best to sort through the fact and recognize when something is an opinion, and when I express an opinion I try to clarify it as such. At the end of the day the facts are what really matter.
But did the MSM point out the FACTS that the VP of Facebook did? You do realize failing to state very important facts is just the same as lying about the case?
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: koods] 1
#25005935 - 02/19/18 03:01 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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sold off a lot of our strategic uranium reserves but no biggie
The way you describe this is hilarious. I wonder if you actually have any clue what this story is actually about. Without google, can you explain what happened?
Stonehenge, I don't think there is another more dutiful propaganda sponge than you. You know every talking point and aren't burdened with knowing any actual facts
It would be nice if stone would actually address things when you call him out for factual inaccuracies but he tends to just ignore it and deflect to another point.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: qman]
#25005943 - 02/19/18 03:03 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I haven't listened to any MSM reports except one from fox where they blamed Obama (lol), but the official narrative is that their efforts were to sow dischord and civil unrest so that makes perfect sense.
Based on a lot of conversation here, particularly from the right, I get the impression that you don't actually know what the other sides 'narrative' is and just believe what your side tells you their narrative is. I mean as a leftie how many times in this thread did I have to correct people for defending or attacking points I never even brought up?
I'm sure it happens on the left as well, but again I don't watch main stream media, I only tend to interact with the right, and I try to be mindful of what I do read to ensure I don't form a false narrative; I try my best to sort through the fact and recognize when something is an opinion, and when I express an opinion I try to clarify it as such. At the end of the day the facts are what really matter.
But did the MSM point out the FACTS that the VP of Facebook did? You do realize failing to state very important facts is just the same as lying about the case?
What facts are you referring to and how do you know they didn't report them? And again I might not be able to answer anyway, I rarely watch any MSM, I don't consider talking heads spouting opinions to be a very good source of news.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000] 1
#25005946 - 02/19/18 03:05 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am all for letting the investigation runs it's course. In today's society, the concept of innocence before guilt is lost.
You can't see the absolute cheers and longing for Trump to go down? Is it really about collusion ? I get the overwhelming sense that people want Trump gone, because they hate him and his policies.
On the other side, there are the same loyalists to the right.... that agree with being spoonfed by their favorite alphabet channels.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
#25005972 - 02/19/18 03:15 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I haven't listened to any MSM reports except one from fox where they blamed Obama (lol), but the official narrative is that their efforts were to sow dischord and civil unrest so that makes perfect sense.
Based on a lot of conversation here, particularly from the right, I get the impression that you don't actually know what the other sides 'narrative' is and just believe what your side tells you their narrative is. I mean as a leftie how many times in this thread did I have to correct people for defending or attacking points I never even brought up?
I'm sure it happens on the left as well, but again I don't watch main stream media, I only tend to interact with the right, and I try to be mindful of what I do read to ensure I don't form a false narrative; I try my best to sort through the fact and recognize when something is an opinion, and when I express an opinion I try to clarify it as such. At the end of the day the facts are what really matter.
But did the MSM point out the FACTS that the VP of Facebook did? You do realize failing to state very important facts is just the same as lying about the case?
What facts are you referring to and how do you know they didn't report them? And again I might not be able to answer anyway, I rarely watch any MSM, I don't consider talking heads spouting opinions to be a very good source of news.
I'm referring to the facts that the VP of Facebook stated.
"how do you know they didn't report them?"
I don't, can you show me where they did? If it was important enough for the VP to point out the MSM didn't report these facts, I believe he is correct in saying the MSM failed to report those facts. Did the FBI report those facts?
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: SirTripAlot]
#25005975 - 02/19/18 03:16 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: I am all for letting the investigation runs it's course. In today's society, the concept of innocence before guilt is lost.
You can't see the absolute cheers and longing for Trump to go down? Is it really about collusion ? I get the overwhelming sense that people want Trump gone, because they hate him and his policies.
On the other side, there are the same loyalists to the right.... that agree with being spoonfed by their favorite alphabet channels.
Oh, I agree. I definitely want Trump gone whether he colluded or not, his policies are terrible, I think he's unfit for the job, and frankly I think he's a disgusting human being; I'm ashamed that he represents us as a country. That doesn't mean I think he should be falsely charged with collusion if he didn't do it though.
That kind of thing has gone on, presumably, since the founding of democracy. It's not only healthy but a necessary part of a functioning democracy; not everyone should agree. You can't say people were not doing that with Obama, Bush Jr, Clinton, etc.
I think the major difference now is all of the propaganda and spin, both from MSM and from smaller outlets, bloggers, etc. I really think the fairness doctrine and the rise of social media had a lot to do with that, it confuses people, you can now get on TV and essentially lie via espousing a thinly veiled opinion as news and gullible folk will just take it as fact and then go repeat it ad nauseum to anyone who will listen. The people that agree listen, upvote, like, share, and retweet, the folks that don't ignore it. There's honest discourse here and there, but it's burried in a social media shitpile covered in memes and one liners.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: qman]
#25006008 - 02/19/18 03:26 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Has the VP of facebook's claims been independently verified? There's plenty of reason to expect Facebook to spin this story to make them look like Facebook wasn't being used to sway the election.
Let's not forget that the Russians were explicit in their support for trump in private communications
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: koods]
#25006025 - 02/19/18 03:33 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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A sample of the longing we discussed:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/19/politics/mueller-investigation-kushner-foreign-financing-efforts/index.html
Notice the Russian/ American flag icon. Then the article goes on to say
"This is the first indication that Mueller is exploring Kushner's discussions with potential non-Russian foreign investors, including in China."
Looks like Meuller is looking for more charges....but not related to Russia, like several others?
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: SirTripAlot]
#25006209 - 02/19/18 04:55 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mueller should be shit canned, trump is a good president with some excellent policies
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Stonehenge]
#25006266 - 02/19/18 05:30 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Mueller should be shit canned, trump is a good president with some excellent policies
Why do you say that? If Bernie won, someone I actually wanted to be president, and the same allegations were true I would want it investigated. I would be worried that if it turned out he were innocent yet would have lost otherwise how it might affect things, but I'd still want to know. Eventually it would come out anyway and you have to think about all of the future elections as well. To go back to your line, 'what if you were next?' meaning if the Russians targeted the conservatives in the 2020 election. I mean that's a real possibility, per your own narrative they were not trying to get Trump elected but to sow discord.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Stonehenge]
#25006337 - 02/19/18 06:05 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Mueller should be shit canned, trump is a good president with some excellent policies
Why? If Trump is innocent then let the investigation finish... What happened to "draining the swamp"? 
Also what excellent policies?... Funny you think he's good, when he's been ranked the worst president of all time:
https://www.axios.com/experts-rank-trump-as-worst-president-obama-as-8th-best-1519065065-dd7781fd-2070-484a-9553-f9cc676635e6.html
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A panel of 170 presidential politics experts considers Trump the worst president in history, according to rankings published by the New York Times. Obama is 8th, with Lincoln, Washington and Franklin Roosevelt holding the top three spots. The same experts ranked Buchanan last and Obama 18th in 2014.
We'll see how things go if Trump actually gets to finish his term, but I would be surprised if he does any better.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: koods]
#25006852 - 02/19/18 10:25 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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koods said: Let's not forget that the Russians were explicit in their support for trump in private communications

As I already explained to YOU, it's not "the Russians" who were explicit in their support for Trump. "What Bob Goldstone said in his emails was that a Russian pop star (Emin Agalarov) said his dad Aras said he could get Trump some dirt on Hillary as 'part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump – helped along by Aras and Emin'. From this, we don't know what the Russian Government's position really was, only that Bob Goldstone thought the Russian Government supported Trump based on his conversation with the Russian pop star who wanted to help Trump (but never did)."
Just because a few private Russian citizens like Trump doesn't mean Trump is colluding with the Russian Government.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25006890 - 02/19/18 10:41 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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No, but it means he was lying in his tweet the other day, as usual.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25006924 - 02/19/18 10:55 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Proof of election meddling:

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A team of American political strategists... said this week that they served as Russian President Boris N. Yeltsin’s secret campaign weapon in his comeback win over a Communist challenge.
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