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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: XUL]
    #25019513 - 02/24/18 08:28 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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I will rephrase..

If Mueller does not find collusion pertaining to Trump, what will your stance be?




That he's still guilty by association, and for helping these people get into positions of power.

He said he only hires "the best people" after all, so he deserves some of the blame for what those people have been up to under his watch.

Assuming Trump is actually innocent he's still aided a lot of shady people including Russian agents like Page. I would be shocked if he is actually innocent though :rofl2:


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #25019671 - 02/24/18 09:55 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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XUL said:
I will rephrase..

If Mueller does not find collusion pertaining to Trump, what will your stance be?




That he's still guilty by association






I knew you wouldn't be able to give the idea up.

I can see you aren't a truth seeker, but a sensationalist.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: XUL]
    #25019684 - 02/24/18 10:04 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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I can see you aren't a truth seeker, but a sensationalist.





I care about the truth, the truth is he is looking more and more guilty, and even if by some miracle he is innocent many of those around him are not :shrug:

If he makes it out of this mess without any charges then good for him, if he's truly innocent I will accept that. All the facts seem to be pointing otherwise though, and his behavior is far from innocent :lol:


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420]
    #25019710 - 02/24/18 10:26 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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if he's truly innocent I will accept that.




On the day he leaves office, if there wasn't collusion, I am going to track down every person who said otherwise and ask them, "What Happened?"


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: XUL]
    #25020097 - 02/25/18 05:45 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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I will rephrase..

If Mueller does not find collusion pertaining to Trump, what will your stance be?




Continue with the conspiracy theory just like every wingnut has about Benghazi.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: sweeper54]
    #25020300 - 02/25/18 09:06 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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I will rephrase..

If Mueller does not find collusion pertaining to Trump, what will your stance be?




Continue with the conspiracy theory




What's that?

The system of law?


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: XUL] * 1
    #25020540 - 02/25/18 10:57 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Mueller should indict Putin.  He is the one behind it.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: starfire_xes]
    #25020774 - 02/25/18 12:39 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Mueller is a dem stooge. Why isn't he investigating the real criminals, hill, the dems etc? But no they keep beating the dead horse, can't find anything on trump so they go after those who knew him. Then the far left rejoices like something big happened. Meanwhile trump just keeps fixing things despite dem and gop opposition. Soon we will have our wall, fewer illegals, and the real unemployment rate will go down. They won't even have to lie about it to make it look good.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Stonehenge]
    #25020887 - 02/25/18 01:21 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Mueller is a life long wingnut.

Do you call 5 guilty pleas beating a dead horse? WHEN has ANYONE, let alone 5 people, in Washington ever pleaded guilty without a long trial?

You aren't going to get a Wall. 95% of the land in Texas that doesn't have a wall is privately owned. They are still in court from the last time someone wanted to put a wall up.

We're at 4.1% unemployment, how much lower do you really think it can go? If they funded employment verification it would be far more effective and a hell of a lot cheaper.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #25021499 - 02/25/18 05:51 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Mueller is a dem stooge. Why isn't he investigating the real criminals, hill, the dems etc? But no they keep beating the dead horse, can't find anything on trump so they go after those who knew him. Then the far left rejoices like something big happened.




You don't see the irony in that claim? As you continue to beat a dead horse the GOP have been using as a scape goat for a year + :lol:

From what I've read there were at least 2 investigations into Hillary, guess what? They didn't find anything illegal they could charge her with... She also lost the election over a year ago. Guess her "deep state" isn't as deep as the GOP claimed.

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Meanwhile trump just keeps fixing things despite dem and gop opposition. Soon we will have our wall, fewer illegals, and the real unemployment rate will go down. They won't even have to lie about it to make it look good.




Care to provide any examples of things trump has "fixed"? If he "keeps fixing things" surely there are many solid examples? Right?...

Also you realize you are going to end up paying for that wall right? Mexico sure as hell isn't, it's going to come from taxpayers in the end, which Trump promised many times wouldn't be the case :rofldrunk:

You know who trump is "fixing" things for? Rich assholes like the koch brothers, Trump doesn't give a shit about the lower/middle class...

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/25/koch-brothers-trump-administration/

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IN THE BACKDROP of a chaotic first year of Donald Trump’s presidency, the conservative Koch brothers have won victory after victory in their bid to reshape American government to their interests.

Documents obtained by The Intercept and Documented show that the network of wealthy donors led by billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch have taken credit for a laundry list of policy achievements extracted from the Trump administration and their allies in Congress.

The donors have pumped campaign contributions not only to GOP lawmakers, but also to an array of third-party organizations that have pressured officials to act swiftly to roll back limits on pollution, approve new pipeline projects, and extend the largest set of upper-income tax breaks in generations.

“This year, thanks in part to research and outreach efforts across institutions, we have seen progress on many regulatory priorities this Network has championed for years,” the memo notes. The document highlights environmental issues that the Koch brothers have long worked to undo, such as the EPA Clean Power Plan, which is currently under the process of being formally repealed, and Trump’s withdrawal from the Paris Climate Agreement, among their major accomplishments. The memo also highlighted administration efforts to walk back planned rules to strengthen the estate tax in a list of 13 regulatory decisions favored by the network.

The network’s political operation includes a polling and research outfit, Capitol Hill lobbyists, several hundred field staff, groups designed to air campaign ads, and an assortment of grassroots groups set up to appeal to certain constituencies. The LIBRE Initiative is a network group geared toward selling Koch policy ideas to Latino communities. Generation Opportunity works to reach out to millennials and college students; Veterans For America for veterans and military-minded voters.




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As The Intercept previously reported, the Koch network told its surrogates to downplay concern over the deficit, a major issue they raised during the Obama administration, in order to convince lawmakers to support the package.

Days after the tax bill passed, Charles Koch and his wife donated $500,000 to Speaker Paul Ryan’s joint fundraising leadership PAC, which has a heightened threshold for donations.




Trump sure is fixing things alright, for his rich oligarch buddies...


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420]
    #25021557 - 02/25/18 06:15 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Actually its you and your fellow leftists who are working hard to support the elites.

>From what I've read there were at least 2 investigations into Hillary, guess what? They didn't find anything illegal they could charge her with

OMG, obama and holder decided not to charge her after a perfunctory investigation. That to you makes her clean as a whistle. After well over a year of investigating trump they find nothing, yet in your mind he is still guilty. Statements from the AG office and obama's own statements show she was guilty of many crimes. But that is different right?

>Care to provide any examples of things trump has "fixed"?

Perhaps you have heard of the tax law reform? Big companies are bringing taxable profits back home and can't stash them overseas any more like under obama. Even the little guy got some relief. But to you that is no good since a republican did it, correct?

Mexico will indeed pay for the wall, not directly by sending a check but by taxes on remittances sent home by mexicans working here. Also other ways too, we will get the wall paid for and extra money every year. Plus we already have less illegals coming over since they are scared of trump. Sounds like win win, another thing he fixed

I do agree with your point about campaign contributions and other forms of bribery having corrupted the political system. Dont try to tell us its just the gop, dems grab every bribe dollar they can lay their hands on. I've spoken against it many times. If we can fix that then the other problems will be easy to fix


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420]
    #25021986 - 02/25/18 09:27 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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At this point the question isn't if he will find collusion or not IMO, it's if Trump knowingly colluded with Russia or not. People around him 100% did.



What do you mean "People around him 100%" "colluded with Russia"?  Can you provide your best example?


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25022034 - 02/25/18 09:53 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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At this point the question isn't if he will find collusion or not IMO, it's if Trump knowingly colluded with Russia or not. People around him 100% did.



What do you mean "People around him 100%" "colluded with Russia"?  Can you provide your best example?




I mean some of the people in his administration definitely did. Like Carter Page for example, the Dem's memo that came out last night asserts that Page had been assessed to be a foreign agent.

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The Democratic countermemo released Saturday argues that the Nunes memo is filled with incomplete information. Page had been assessed to be "an agent of the Russian government," the Democratic memo asserts, and the Justice Department was acting to protect national security.




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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420]
    #25022132 - 02/25/18 10:53 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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What do you mean "People around him 100%" "colluded with Russia"?  Can you provide your best example?



I mean some of the people in his administration definitely did. Like Carter Page for example, the Dem's memo that came out last night asserts that Page had been assessed to be a foreign agent.



That assessment was incorrect.  It turned out Page was never found guilty of any wrongdoing.

How about your second best example?  :popcorn:


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25025070 - 02/26/18 10:02 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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What do you mean "People around him 100%" "colluded with Russia"?  Can you provide your best example?



I mean some of the people in his administration definitely did. Like Carter Page for example, the Dem's memo that came out last night asserts that Page had been assessed to be a foreign agent.



That assessment was incorrect.  It turned out Page was never found guilty of any wrongdoing.

How about your second best example?  :popcorn:



So no second best example?  I thought you said you were "100%" sure the people around him "colluded with Russia"?  :shrug:


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25025089 - 02/26/18 10:14 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
What do you mean "People around him 100%" "colluded with Russia"?  Can you provide your best example?



I mean some of the people in his administration definitely did. Like Carter Page for example, the Dem's memo that came out last night asserts that Page had been assessed to be a foreign agent.



That assessment was incorrect.  It turned out Page was never found guilty of any wrongdoing.

How about your second best example?  :popcorn:



So no second best example?  I thought you said you were "100%" sure the people around him "colluded with Russia"?  :shrug:




Manafort and Gates as well:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-22/manafort-faces-new-charges-of-tax-and-bank-fraud-in-russia-probe?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

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Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his onetime deputy, Rick Gates, were indicted on tax and bank fraud charges as U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller mounted a fresh attack to strengthen his legal pressure against the men.

Mueller used a new 32-count indictment in Alexandria, Virginia, to raise the legal stakes against the duo, who were initially indicted on Oct. 27 in Washington on charges of laundering millions of dollars and failing to register as foreign agents for their political consulting work over a decade in Ukraine.




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The two were initially charged in an Oct. 27 indictment with failing to register as agents in the U.S. for political consulting they did for Ukraine and pro-Russian leaders. They were also accused of conspiring to launder millions of dollars, hiding offshore bank accounts, and failing to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, or FARA. Manafort laundered money from overseas to buy houses, cars, clothes, antiques and landscaping services, the U.S. said.




They tried claiming not guilty initially but Gates at least has already flipped:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-23/gates-guilty-plea-strengthens-mueller-s-hand-against-manafort

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Gates, who pleaded guilty Friday in Washington, was Manafort’s right-hand man and worked with him for a decade in his political consulting firm lobbying on behalf of Ukraine before joining him on Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in 2016. Gates also remained on the Trump campaign after Manafort resigned in August 2016, and he helped plan Trump’s inauguration.

In a victory for Mueller, Gates admitted he conspired with Manafort to defraud the U.S. by failing to disclose their work as unregistered foreign agents for Ukraine, and by hiding his offshore bank accounts. Mueller also extracted an admission that Gates had made a false statement to his office. It was the fourth criminal conviction that the special counsel has obtained from someone who lied to U.S. authorities.




Keep in mind this investigation is ongoing so many of the details are not yet released. But Gate's isn't the first to flip to a guilty plea and try and work out a deal.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420]
    #25025129 - 02/26/18 10:46 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

What does everyone think about this as well:

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/12/15/putins-proxies-helped-funnel-millions-gop-campaigns

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An example is Len Blavatnik, a dual U.S.-U.K. citizen and one of the largest donors to GOP political action committees in the 2015-16 election cycle. Blavatnik's family emigrated to the U.S. in the late '70s from the U.S.S.R. and he returned to Russia when the Soviet Union began to collapse in the late '80s.

Data from the Federal Election Commission show that Blavatnik's campaign contributions dating back to 2009-10 were fairly balanced across party lines and relatively modest for a billionaire. During that season he contributed $53,400. His contributions increased to $135,552 in 2011-12 and to $273,600 in 2013-14, still bipartisan.

In 2015-16, everything changed. Blavatnik's political contributions soared and made a hard right turn as he pumped $6.35 million into GOP political action committees, with millions of dollars going to top Republican leaders including Sens. Mitch McConnell, Marco Rubio and Lindsey Graham.

In 2017, donations continued, with $41,000 going to both Republican and Democrat candidates, along with $1 million to McConnell's Senate Leadership Fund.




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Oleg Deripaska is said to be one of Russian President Vladimir Putin's favorite oligarchs, and he is founder and majority shareholder of Russia's Rusal, the second-largest aluminum company in the world. Blavatnik holds a stake in Rusal with a business partner.

Further, nearly 4 percent of Deripaska's stake in Rusal is owned by Putin's state-controlled bank, VTB, which is currently under U.S. sanctions. VTB was exposed in the Panama Papers in 2016 for facilitating the flow of billions of dollars to offshore companies linked to Putin.

Earlier this year, The Associated Press reported that Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign manager, began collecting $10 million a year in 2006 from Deripaska to advance Putin's interests with Western governments. Deripaska's name turned up again in an email handed over to Mueller's team by Manafort's attorneys. According to The Washington Post, in the email dated July 7, 2016, just two weeks before Trump accepted the Republican nomination for president, Manafort asked an overseas intermediary to pass a message on to Deripaska: "If he [Deripaska] needs private briefings, tell him we can accommodate."




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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420]
    #25025226 - 02/26/18 11:57 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Manafort and Gates as well:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-22/manafort-faces-new-charges-of-tax-and-bank-fraud-in-russia-probe?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

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Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his onetime deputy, Rick Gates, were indicted on tax and bank fraud charges as U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller mounted a fresh attack to strengthen his legal pressure against the men.

Mueller used a new 32-count indictment in Alexandria, Virginia, to raise the legal stakes against the duo, who were initially indicted on Oct. 27 in Washington on charges of laundering millions of dollars and failing to register as foreign agents for their political consulting work over a decade in Ukraine.




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The two were initially charged in an Oct. 27 indictment with failing to register as agents in the U.S. for political consulting they did for Ukraine and pro-Russian leaders. They were also accused of conspiring to launder millions of dollars, hiding offshore bank accounts, and failing to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, or FARA. Manafort laundered money from overseas to buy houses, cars, clothes, antiques and landscaping services, the U.S. said.




They tried claiming not guilty initially but Gates at least has already flipped:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-23/gates-guilty-plea-strengthens-mueller-s-hand-against-manafort

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Gates, who pleaded guilty Friday in Washington, was Manafort’s right-hand man and worked with him for a decade in his political consulting firm lobbying on behalf of Ukraine before joining him on Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in 2016. Gates also remained on the Trump campaign after Manafort resigned in August 2016, and he helped plan Trump’s inauguration.

In a victory for Mueller, Gates admitted he conspired with Manafort to defraud the U.S. by failing to disclose their work as unregistered foreign agents for Ukraine, and by hiding his offshore bank accounts. Mueller also extracted an admission that Gates had made a false statement to his office. It was the fourth criminal conviction that the special counsel has obtained from someone who lied to U.S. authorities.




Keep in mind this investigation is ongoing so many of the details are not yet released. But Gate's isn't the first to flip to a guilty plea and try and work out a deal.



No Russian collusion there either.  In case you didn't know, Ukraine is NOT Russia.

How about your third best example?


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25025235 - 02/27/18 12:05 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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musiclover420 said:
Manafort and Gates as well:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-22/manafort-faces-new-charges-of-tax-and-bank-fraud-in-russia-probe?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

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Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his onetime deputy, Rick Gates, were indicted on tax and bank fraud charges as U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller mounted a fresh attack to strengthen his legal pressure against the men.

Mueller used a new 32-count indictment in Alexandria, Virginia, to raise the legal stakes against the duo, who were initially indicted on Oct. 27 in Washington on charges of laundering millions of dollars and failing to register as foreign agents for their political consulting work over a decade in Ukraine.




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The two were initially charged in an Oct. 27 indictment with failing to register as agents in the U.S. for political consulting they did for Ukraine and pro-Russian leaders. They were also accused of conspiring to launder millions of dollars, hiding offshore bank accounts, and failing to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, or FARA. Manafort laundered money from overseas to buy houses, cars, clothes, antiques and landscaping services, the U.S. said.




They tried claiming not guilty initially but Gates at least has already flipped:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-23/gates-guilty-plea-strengthens-mueller-s-hand-against-manafort

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Gates, who pleaded guilty Friday in Washington, was Manafort’s right-hand man and worked with him for a decade in his political consulting firm lobbying on behalf of Ukraine before joining him on Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in 2016. Gates also remained on the Trump campaign after Manafort resigned in August 2016, and he helped plan Trump’s inauguration.

In a victory for Mueller, Gates admitted he conspired with Manafort to defraud the U.S. by failing to disclose their work as unregistered foreign agents for Ukraine, and by hiding his offshore bank accounts. Mueller also extracted an admission that Gates had made a false statement to his office. It was the fourth criminal conviction that the special counsel has obtained from someone who lied to U.S. authorities.




Keep in mind this investigation is ongoing so many of the details are not yet released. But Gate's isn't the first to flip to a guilty plea and try and work out a deal.



No Russian collusion there either.  In case you didn't know, Ukraine is NOT Russia.

How about your third best example?




You realize Russia and the Ukraine have a long history right? Way to strawman :lol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–Ukraine_relations#2010s

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On 18 January 2018 the Ukrainian parliament passed a law defining areas seized by the Donetsk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic as "temporarily occupied by Russia."[22] The law also called Russia an "aggressor" state.[22]





The money laundering very likely is tied to Russia as well, and like I've been saying there's a lot of classified info we've yet to see. So who knows what Gates and others have told Mueller in their plea deals.

Only time will tell, the denial is getting pretty ridiculous though. The GOP truly are the Gaslight Obstruct Project party :lol:


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420]
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What does everyone think about this as well:
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Your first quote is about a US citizen whose family emigrated to the U.S. in the late '70s from the U.S.S.R.  Did you know former Russian US citizens are allowed to donate to the GOP?  Why is this news?

Your second quote is about Manfort's business consulting work for an aluminum company to help it win business in the west.  What does that have to do with Putin, other than a Russian bank owning 4% of the company?  Man you are DESPARATE for ANYTHING.


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