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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420]
    #25016839 - 02/23/18 06:26 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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musiclover420 said:
do you really think we should take Julian's word at face value? I don't...

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The episode — coming on the heels of the DNC emails Assange held for release on the eve of the Democratic convention — is seen by critics of WikiLeaks as a sign that once lauded enterprise no longer qualifies as an independent platform promoting openness. “It’s become something else,” says John Wonderlich, executive director of the Sunlight Foundation, a Washington nonprofit that advocates for transparency. “It’s not striving for objectivity. It’s more careless. When they publish information it appears to be in service of some specific goal, of retribution, at the expense of the individual.”






The goal of Wikileaks isn't to get Democrats elected; it's to expose wrongdoing.  Just because Assange doesn't like Hillary doesn't mean he's dishonest.  I don't like Hillary either.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25016850 - 02/23/18 06:29 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I'll stand with the freelancing statement despite my ignorance of that country.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: sweeper54]
    #25016864 - 02/23/18 06:35 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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I'll stand with the freelancing statement despite my ignorance of that country.



Feel free to make believe anything you like about Putin.  But make believing adds little to a political discussion.  Remember, burden of proof is on the person making the claims.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25017127 - 02/23/18 08:20 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Mr Mueller will be proving my point soon enough.

Here's a tip: On your next trip to Russia, don't drink the Koolaid.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: sweeper54]
    #25017185 - 02/23/18 08:48 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Are you ready to make a koods type of bet?


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25017205 - 02/23/18 08:56 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I stand by, out by the end-o-Aug, although now I think I'm Sandbagging a couple months

Again the bets already made.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: sweeper54]
    #25017292 - 02/23/18 09:56 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I'm still waiting for you to provide the terms.

You chickened out on the terms then.  How about now?


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25017305 - 02/23/18 10:03 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know what part of "Terms were made" that you continually fail to comprehend, but "Terms were made".


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: sweeper54] * 1
    #25017337 - 02/23/18 10:24 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know what part of "what terms?" you don't understand; why are you too chicken shit to post them?  :shrug:


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25017569 - 02/24/18 02:43 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Interesting video from The Intercept showing a discussion/debate about the Trump/Russia investigation:


It's probably not worth watching because it's a full hour, but Glenn Greenwald (a Pulitzer Prize winning NYU attorney who broke the Snowden surveillance story among other things) pretty much shares my views on the Trump/Russia investigation exactly.

:douchewink:


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25017717 - 02/24/18 06:12 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't know what part of "what terms?" you don't understand; why are you too chicken shit to post them?  :shrug:





YES:bigswang:


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: sweeper54] * 1
    #25017777 - 02/24/18 06:58 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Are you gonna agree to terms and make the bet? I have seen Fal offer this to you on a number of occasions.....yes or a no will do.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #25018218 - 02/24/18 10:45 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

The bet was made back in May or June


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: sweeper54]
    #25018257 - 02/24/18 11:05 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I didn't see the bet.  Show it to me or let's make a new bet.  I don't know what kindeegarten game you're playing here.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25019438 - 02/24/18 07:56 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Oh shit:

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/24/588563076/memo-by-house-intelligence-committee-democrats-released-as-nunes-addresses-cpac

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The Democratic countermemo released Saturday argues that the Nunes memo is filled with incomplete information. Page had been assessed to be "an agent of the Russian government," the Democratic memo asserts, and the Justice Department was acting to protect national security.




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The Democratic memo argues the warrants for surveillance of Page included evidence that Russia was interfering in the election, that Russia had made outreach to Trump campaign officials, that Page had a history with Russian intelligence and that Page was involved in "suspicious activities" during a trip to Moscow during the campaign.




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Instead of being a flawed, politically biased document intended to get permission to spy on the Trump campaign, the warrant application met all the necessary requirements to show probable cause, according to the committee's Democrats.

The warrant request outlined Page's history as someone who pursued business deals with Russia's state-owned energy company, had been targeted by Russian intelligence for recruitment, and had visited Moscow while an adviser to Trump's campaign, the memo says.

These requests to surveil Page then received independent scrutiny and approval by four federal judges, all appointed by Republican presidents — two appointed by George W. Bush, one by George H.W. Bush and one by Ronald Reagan — the memo points out.




Quote:

Adam Schiff says that the DOJ has corroborated the Carter Page section of the Steele dossier. What does that section claim?

Memo quote - Steele dossier quote

1: Page had a secret meeting with Igor Sechin - Rosneft Prez
2: Sechin offered brokerage of Rosneft sale to Trump team
3: Page had a secret meeting with Divyekin.
4: Divyekin told Page that the Kremlin had incriminating info on Clinton.
5: Divyekin hinted to Page that the Kremlin had kompromat on Trump.

If confirmed, this is one of, if not the most significant day in the Trump/Russia story.




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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420]
    #25019443 - 02/24/18 08:00 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

This is nothing new, unless you've been getting your news from the Fox Echo Machine.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: sweeper54]
    #25019462 - 02/24/18 08:06 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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This is nothing new, unless you've been getting your news from the Fox Echo Machine.




Um this was literally just released tonight, and includes a lot of new info...

It also has nothing to do with Fox. If anything it obliterates a lot of their claims centered on the Nunes memo :lol:


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: sweeper54]
    #25019468 - 02/24/18 08:08 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Mr Mueller will be proving my point soon enough.





Oh Gosh, I would love to see collusion.

I would concede everything.

But if Mueller does not find collusion, what will your stance be?


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: XUL]
    #25019494 - 02/24/18 08:19 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Mr Mueller will be proving my point soon enough.





Oh Gosh, I would love to see collusion.

I would concede everything.

But if Mueller does not find collusion, what will your stance be?




At this point the question isn't if he will find collusion or not IMO, it's if Trump knowingly colluded with Russia or not. People around him 100% did.

Maybe Trump was just blissfully ignorant, but even that seems unlikely. The kompromaut is getting more and more likely IMO.

The memo the Dems just released tonight says Divyekin hinted that Trump is compromised, only time will tell for sure but it seems more and more likely.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420]
    #25019502 - 02/24/18 08:23 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I will rephrase..

If Mueller does not find collusion pertaining to Trump, what will your stance be?


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