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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: qman] 2
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Unless I see a paper trail of funds from Trump to these "Russian nationals", nothing burger.
People, foreign governments always try to influence others elections, the US actually creates and installs them.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: SirTripAlot] 1
#24998911 - 02/16/18 02:26 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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LOL
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-indictment-2016-elections-rod-rosenstein-announcement-today-2018-02-16/
"There's no allegation that any American was knowingly involved in the conspiracy, Rosenstein said. Nor was there an allegation that the efforts of the defendants affected the outcome of the election. The indictment, he told reporters, is a reminder that "people are not always who they appear to be"
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000] 1
#24999182 - 02/16/18 04:27 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: LOL
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-indictment-2016-elections-rod-rosenstein-announcement-today-2018-02-16/
"There's no allegation that any American was knowingly involved in the conspiracy, Rosenstein said. Nor was there an allegation that the efforts of the defendants affected the outcome of the election. The indictment, he told reporters, is a reminder that "people are not always who they appear to be"
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SirTripAlot said: Unless I see a paper trail of funds from Trump to these "Russian nationals", nothing burger.
People, foreign governments always try to influence others elections, the US actually creates and installs them.
What does this have to do with Trump or US persons? This is about Russian's interfering with the election. Stay on topic.
The reason why this is news, is the chance that it may be linked to Trump, please try and understand the topic.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: koods] 1
#24999208 - 02/16/18 04:36 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: Unless I see a paper trail of funds from Trump to these "Russian nationals", nothing burger.
People, foreign governments always try to influence others elections, the US actually creates and installs them.
If you are a trump supporter yes you want to see those funds. Paying foreigners to help a campaign is legal. Not paying them is a donation and that is illegal.
The donation would have to be voluntarily taken and known about. I could start a website (overseas), KoodsformayorofKentucky.com without you knowledge or consent. Doesn't mean your liable for it or proves foriegn collusion.(or if it would be considered a donation)
When do you want to bet that Trump will not be removed from office due to impeachment?
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000] 1
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If I answer will I be off topic? LOL It's news. Tell me where this was orchestrated by Trump? Of course there was meddling. Every powerful nation trys to influence foriegn elections. Do you have evidence that votes were changed (via hacking)?????
Please be specific.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000] 2
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Excerpts from the indictments:
Defendants' operations included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump ("Trump Campaign") and disparaging Hillary Clinton. Defendants made various expenditures to carry out those activities, including buying political advertisements on social media in the names of U.S. persons and entities. Defendants also staged political rallies inside the United States, and while posing as U.S. grassroots entities and U.S. persons, and without revealing their Russian identities and ORGANIZATION affiliation, solicited and compensated real U.S. persons to promote or disparage candidates. Some Defendants, posing as U.S. persons and without revealing their Russian association, communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities.
In order to carry out their activities to interfere in U.S. political and electoral processes without detection of their Russian affiliation, Defendants conspired to obstruct the lawful functions of the United States government through fraud and deceit, including by making expenditures in connection with the 2016 U.S. presidential election without proper regulatory disclosure; failing to register as foreign agents carrying out political activities within the United States; and obtaining visas through false and fraudulent statements.
Defendants and their co-conspirators used their fictitious online personas to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election. They engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump.
On or about February 10, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators internally circulated an outline of themes for future content to be posted to ORGANIZATION-controlled social media accounts. Specialists were instructed to post content that focused on "politics in the USA" and to "use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump--we support them)."
From at least April 2016 through November 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators, while concealing their Russian identities and ORGANIZATION affiliation through false personas, began to produce, purchase, and post advertisements on U.S. social media and other online sites expressly advocating for the election of then-candidate Trump or expressly opposing Clinton. Defendants and their co-conspirators did not report their expenditures to the Federal Election Commission, or register as foreign agents with the U.S. Department of Justice. The political advertisements included the following:
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April 6, 2016 "You know, a great number of black people support us saying that #HillaryClintonlsNotMyPresident" April 7, 2016 "I say no to Hillary Clinton / I say no to manipulation" April 19, 2016 "JOIN our #HillaryClintonForPrison2016" May 10, 2016 "Donald wants to defeat terrorism ... Hillary wants to sponsor it" May 19, 2016 "Vote Republican, vote Trump, and support the Second Amendment!" May 24, 2016 "Hillary Clinton Doesn't Deserve the Black Vote" June 7, 2016 "Trump is our only hope for a better future!" June 30, 2016 "#Never Hillary #Hillary F orPrison #Hillary4 Prison #HillaryForPrison2016 #Trump2016 #Trump #Trump4President" July 20, 2016 "Ohio Wants Hillary 4 Prison" August 4, 2016 "Hillary Clinton has already committed voter fraud during the Democrat Iowa Caucus." August 10, 2016 "We cannot trust Hillary to take care of our veterans!" October 14, 2016 "Among all the candidates Donald Trump is the one and only who can defend the police from terrorists." October 19, 2016 "Hillary is a Satan, and her crimes and lies had proved just how evil she is."
To pay for the political advertisements, Defendants and their co-conspirators established various Russian bank accounts and credit cards, often registered in the names of fictitious U.S. personas created and used by the ORGANIZATION on social media. Defendants and their coconspirators also paid for other political advertisements using PayPal accounts.
Beginning in at least 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators used, without lawful authority, the social security numbers, home addresses, and birth dates ofreal U.S. persons without their knowledge or consent. Using these means of stolen identification, Defendants and their coconspirators opened accounts at a federally insured U.S. financial institution ("Bank I")
Defendants and their co-conspirators purchased credit card and bank account numbers from online sellers for the unlawful purpose of evading security measures at PayPal, which used account numbers to verify a user's identity. Many of the bank account numbers purchased by Defendants and their co-conspirators were created using the stolen identities of real U.S. persons. After purchasing the accounts, Defendants and their co-conspirators submitted these bank account numbers to PayPal.
On or about August 18, 2016, the real "Florida for Trump" Facebook account responded to the false U.S. persona "Matt Skiber" account with instructions to contact a member of the Trump Campaign ("Campaign Official l ") involved in the campaign's Florida operations and provided Campaign Official 1's email address at the campaign domain donaldtrump.com.On approximately the same day, Defendants and their co-conspirators used the email address of a false U.S. persona, joshmilton024@gmail.com, to send an email to Campaign Official 1 at that donaldtrump.com email account, which read in part:
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"Hello [Campaign Official l], [w]e are organizing a state-wide event in Florida on August, 20 to support Mr. Trump. Let us introduce ourselves first. "Being Patriotic" is a grassroots conservative online movement trying to unite people offline. . . . [W]e gained a huge lot of followers and decided to somehow help Mr. Trump get elected. You know, simple yelling on the Internet is not enough. There should be real action. We organized rallies in New York before. Now we're focusing on purple states such as Florida." The email also identified thirteen "confirmed locations" in Florida for the rallies and requested the campaign provide "assistance in each location."
On or about August 24, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators updated an internal ORGANIZATION list of over 100 real U.S. persons contacted through ORGANIZATIONcontrolled false U.S. persona accounts and tracked to monitor recruitment efforts and requests. The list included contact information for the U.S. persons, a summary of their political views, and activities they had been asked to perform by Defendants and their co-conspirators.
"No one brought up Trump until you did." _____________________________ The fuck you talking about? You linked an article talking about the Trump campaign.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000] 1
#24999422 - 02/16/18 05:59 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nice try. Your the one telling me to stay on topic, yet your flawed clusterfuck denial derailed this thread more than anything else. Is ok to be wrong sometimes.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
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SirTripAlot said: LOL
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-indictment-2016-elections-rod-rosenstein-announcement-today-2018-02-16/
"There's no allegation that any American was knowingly involved in the conspiracy, Rosenstein said. Nor was there an allegation that the efforts of the defendants affected the outcome of the election. The indictment, he told reporters, is a reminder that "people are not always who they appear to be"
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SirTripAlot said: Unless I see a paper trail of funds from Trump to these "Russian nationals", nothing burger.
People, foreign governments always try to influence others elections, the US actually creates and installs them.
What does this have to do with Trump or US persons? This is about Russian's interfering with the election. Stay on topic.
Ok after this say what you will. For the record. The investigation is about the Trump campaign. We argree on that?
The hopes of all alphabet channels and Dems is to get Trump impeached.....we agree here?
I commented the above as it directly related to the investigation and the hopes it would be linked to Trump.
Then you tell me to stay on topic, even though you clearly linked an article and the whole newsworthy reason....it could be linked to Trump.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: koods] 1
#24999907 - 02/16/18 09:08 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Not according to this.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Russians-Indicted-US-Election-Meddling-Mueller-474309733.html
"They engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump," the indictment states.
The indictment details contacts targeting three unnamed officials in the Trump campaign's Florida operation. In each instance, the Russians used false U.S. personas to contact the officials. The indictment doesn't say if any of them responded, and there's no allegation that any of the campaign officials knew they were communicating with Russians.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: koods] 1
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koods said: We now know the trump campaign coordinated with Russia.
No we don't. Unless you have evidenced that hasn't yet been posted?
Even krypto2000 is now arguing this has nothing to do with Trump being involved.
It's in the fucking indictment.
Care to share that with us?
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000] 1
#25005946 - 02/19/18 03:05 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am all for letting the investigation runs it's course. In today's society, the concept of innocence before guilt is lost.
You can't see the absolute cheers and longing for Trump to go down? Is it really about collusion ? I get the overwhelming sense that people want Trump gone, because they hate him and his policies.
On the other side, there are the same loyalists to the right.... that agree with being spoonfed by their favorite alphabet channels.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: koods]
#25006025 - 02/19/18 03:33 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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A sample of the longing we discussed:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/19/politics/mueller-investigation-kushner-foreign-financing-efforts/index.html
Notice the Russian/ American flag icon. Then the article goes on to say
"This is the first indication that Mueller is exploring Kushner's discussions with potential non-Russian foreign investors, including in China."
Looks like Meuller is looking for more charges....but not related to Russia, like several others?
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
#25008435 - 02/20/18 03:01 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Looks like another small fish got hooked by Meuller:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-20/skadden-arps-lawyer-is-charged-with-role-in-u-s-russia-probe
U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller intensified legal pressure on ex-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his deputy, Rick Gates, by filing a false-statements case against a lawyer who did Ukraine-related work with the two men.
Prosecutors accused the attorney, Alex van der Zwaan, of lying to the FBI and Mueller’s office about conversations related to a report supporting the legitimacy of a Ukrainian criminal prosecution of a former prime minister. That report has already come under the glare of Mueller’s team, which has previously accused Manafort and Gates of secretly funneling $4 million through offshore accounts to pay for it.
The two pages of accusations against van der Zwaan, filed on Feb. 16 and unsealed Tuesday, came in the form of a criminal information, which prosecutors typically file before a guilty plea. Van der Zwaan, 33, is scheduled for what the government calls a “plea agreement hearing” on Tuesday afternoon before the same federal judge in Washington overseeing the indictment of Manafort and Gates.
On Oct. 27, prosecutors accused Manafort and Gates of hiding their lobbying work in Ukraine and laundering millions of dollars. The two also failed to disclose lobbying work on behalf of then-Ukraine President Viktor Yanukovych and then tried to conceal that work as it came to light in August 2016, the U.S. said. Manafort left the Trump presidential campaign that month.
A month after Manafort’s departure, van der Zwaan communicated about the report with Gates and a second unidentified person, prosecutors said on Tuesday, and then lied about it when the FBI and Mueller’s office later asked about the exchanges.
Mueller, in his probe of Russian collusion in the 2016 presidential election, accused 13 Russians on Feb. 16 of a sophisticated disinformation campaign that targeted U.S. voters. Three others, including former Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, have pleaded guilty and are cooperating.
Van der Zwaan was an associate in the London office of Skadden, Arps, Slate Meagher & Flom. The information doesn’t say whether he is cooperating with prosecutors or why he allegedly lied to the government.
Last year, van der Zwaan married the daughter of Russian oligarch German Khan, according to the London Tatler. Khan is a shareholder of Alfa Group, a Russian banking and investment concern, and a board member at LetterOne Holdings, the investment vehicle set up by the founders of Alfa Group. A spokesman for Khan didn’t immediately provide a comment.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000] 3
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That's why I post here. The forum is impersonal to a degree. What's the worst that can happen, someone rating you 0 mushies, ha? I have a strained relationship with some family, so hearing a blow by blow of the Fox News channel, will only make me waste brain cells...I will just eat the turkey, thank you.
There are countless political forums online, but I like this little corner of the internet.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#25008485 - 02/20/18 03:23 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: That has NOTHING at all to do with Russia (does it?) As I've said many times, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Trump's team was found guilty of a lot of things. But collaboration with the Russian Government doesn't appear to be one of them.
Hear, hear. If only there was a special consul for every politican. For example, why did Steele not register as a foriegn agent? Or is it because he is not Russian?
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
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Hold back more indictments! Wait, not related to Russia, again?
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/22/mueller-adds-new-tax-bank-fraud-charges-against-manafort-gates-422335
Mueller adds new tax, bank fraud charges against Manafort, Gates Special counsel files new criminal case against pair in northern Virginia.
Special counsel Robert Mueller turned up the pressure on former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and aide Rick Gates, as a federal grand jury returned a new indictment Thursday charging the two men with tax and bank fraud.
The new 32-count indictment returned by a grand jury in Alexandria, Virginia comes after Mueller separately charged the pair in Washington last year with money laundering and failing to register as foreign agents for their work related to Ukraine.
The new indictment accuses Manafort and Gates of dramatically understating their income on federal tax returns filed from 2010 through 2014. The pair is also accused of bank fraud totaling more than $20 million tied to three loans Manafort applied for in connection with various homes he owns.
In all, Manafort and Gates laundered more than $30 million in income, chiefly from their Ukraine work, the new indictment alleges.
None of the charges currently facing the pair appears to relate directly to the core of Mueller's investigation into alleged Russian interference in the 2016 presidential campaign. But the special counsel has jurisdiction to pursue any crimes he finds in the course of his probe, and the new charges Thursday show he is ramping up pressure on the former aides to President Donald Trump.
Some of the alleged bank fraud appears to have overlapped with the Trump campaign. Manafort and Gates joined the campaign in the spring of 2016 to help plan for the Republican National Convention, and Manafort was campaign chairman from May until he resigned on Aug. 19. But the White House has subsequently tried to distance itself from him, with Trump saying at one point that Manafort only worked for him for a “very short period of time.”
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420]
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Might be that Mueller is pissed that Bannon didn't spill the beans on Trump(if there was any beans to spill) so he is ratcheting it up a notch.
Or maybe,this is what the investigation will come up with?
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: sweeper54] 1
#25017777 - 02/24/18 06:58 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are you gonna agree to terms and make the bet? I have seen Fal offer this to you on a number of occasions.....yes or a no will do.
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