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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #24998718 - 02/16/18 12:25 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Mueller needs to be fired, this is a joke.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000] * 2
    #24998880 - 02/16/18 02:09 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

What if an illegal immigrant from Mexico made a fake Facebook account and posted negative rhetoric about Trump?  Would the FBI indict them? NO.

Would that act be considered "intervening" in our elections? NO.

This is a big joke and now the FBI is officially a big joke.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000] * 1
    #24998968 - 02/16/18 02:48 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Are you guys reading the same things I am? In the quote above it mentions how they made fake ID's and held political rallies in US soil, hired US persons to falsely campaign for them, etc. The social media aspect is only a small portion of what is outlined.

Why do you guys not read before forming opinions and then commenting? We're about a page deep already and it seems like I'm the only one who did anything more than read the headline even lol. Are you people real?




Illegal immigrants hold political rallies in the US, where is outrage and indictments?  :popcorn:


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #24999296 - 02/16/18 05:17 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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qman said:
What if an illegal immigrant from Mexico made a fake Facebook account and posted negative rhetoric about Trump?  Would the FBI indict them? NO.

Would that act be considered "intervening" in our elections? NO.

This is a big joke and now the FBI is officially a big joke.




You don't see a difference between an illegal immigrant making a facebook account and an organized, covert, foreign government campaign?  At least in degree? C'mon.  At least the illegal immigrant has skin in the game.  I do agree that we are lenient about that kind of stuff. 





"foreign government campaign"

Is there any evidence that anyone indicted is directly connected to a "foreign government"?


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000] * 1
    #24999313 - 02/16/18 05:23 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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He apparently thinks an illegal immigrant making a facebook account and campaigning is equivalent to bank fraud, wire fraud, identity theft, and conspiracy lol. These people are either in denial or they are trolls, it's very hard to take them seriously sometimes; it's hard for me to fathom that people can be so blind and beholden to an idea that they ignore reality. It's literally like a religion to them.




"bank fraud, wire fraud, identity theft"

We get it, those are all illegal acts. They had no impact on the election. :shrug:


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #24999350 - 02/16/18 05:32 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't know.
Presumably that's who being referenced in the indictment as "(and with persons known and unknown to the Grand Jury)"




My guess that even if there was a government connection, there would never be any evidence of it.

"that's who being referenced in the indictment"

I didn't see it.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
    #25002039 - 02/17/18 07:09 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
    #25002084 - 02/17/18 07:31 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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What was your reason for posting that? Surely you're not saying that because we meddle others that it's okay that they meddle in ours?




It shows that no country operates in a vacuum and to expect differently is beyond silly.

The fact that an ex-CIA director is laughing about the US "meddling" is very telling in my opinion because this is nothing more than a joke.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #25004183 - 02/18/18 05:47 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Oh golly, the russians wanted trump to win rather than the insane corrupt warhawk hillary. Anyone with sense wanted the same thing, not necessarily trump but abc, anyone but clinton.

They posted on social media, who knew that was against the law? And spent money, another surprising thing apparently against the law. And some were russian, its certainly against the law to be russian isn't it? Then charged with fraud because they used the screen name henry jones instead of vladimir kruchev. Gee, are we all in trouble if we post and our screen name is not our own name? This isn't even a mole hill, its another nothing burger that the media is going into a frenzy over, along with the far left who sees nothing hypocritical about it.

If they can charge with fraud for that, then no one is safe. Be careful what you wish for.




They didn't just post on social media... They created fake news sites to push lies/propaganda which then ended up duping a lot of people.




How would one even quantify if someone was "duped" into some narrative? We can't, it's pure speculation on your part.

How can you protect me from visiting a foreign website and reading information that might be false?  There's another election in November, how do know you won't be "duped"?


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420]
    #25004196 - 02/18/18 05:52 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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It's anti intellectualism, they don't care about truth, just how it makes them feel and if it makes them feel bad they shut it out and label it as false. It's no coincidence there's a large overlap between antiintellectualism and religiousity, especially of the unquestioning dogmatic and patriarchical based demographics there of.




I wonder where they get it from:


CNN Money: Interview Walk Out with Charles Feldman and Donald Trump - March 29, 1990

Trump is such a pussy it's insane :rofldrunk:




Your hatred of Trump and the subject matter should be two different things, it's too bad you can't separate it.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420]
    #25004211 - 02/18/18 05:59 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

"reputable sites"

Like the NYT's, Washington Post, CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS?  :rofl2:    Please tell us you're joking.

Sure, let 6 mega corporations dictate all the information that forms a political position. :facepalm:


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000] * 1
    #25004222 - 02/18/18 06:05 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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You should be allowed to visit any website you want or hold, espouse, or vote on any beliefs you want. The problem is when you are being lead to believe a false narrative by a foreign interest campaigning within the USs jurisdiction under the guise of supporting a candidate/view when they really just want to create chaos and division.




And how can you protect yourself?  You wouldn't have a clue if a foreign interest was spewing something that confirmed what you already believe, correct? 

You might already believe in many false narratives, does it really matter if you see someone else promoting the same false narrative? 

How can you be duped by them when you already duped yourself?


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420]
    #25004251 - 02/18/18 06:16 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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"reputable sites"

Like the NYT's, Washington Post, CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS?  :rofl2:    Please tell us you're joking.

Sure, let 6 mega corporations dictate all the information that forms a political position. :facepalm:




Ok please tell us what reputable sites you use? Fox? :rofldrunk:

And actually I don't specifically check any of those sites...

When I do check a site I try and cross reference with other sources.

Speaking of Fox though, what do you all think of this gem:

It apparently originated on 4chan of all places, and Hannity tried making it into a story/scandal before deleting it after realizing he got trolled :rofl2:




So we're in agreement, all of the "reputable" MSM sites are unreliable/biased sources of news information and consistently provide false narratives for whatever reason?


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420]
    #25004343 - 02/18/18 07:15 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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So we're in agreement, all of the "reputable" MSM sites are unreliable/biased sources of news information and consistently provide false narratives for whatever reason?




Care to provide some examples? There's sensationalism on both side for sure but I can't say I've seen many "MSM" sites blatantly lie/make stuff up like Fox.

This is why it's important to cross reference sources. Meanwhile the GOP is labeling anything that makes them look bad as "fake news" even when it's 100% verified :lol:




How did the biased polls from the last election workout from these "news" organizations? 

So much of what they report isn't factual news, it's opinion of current events at best and a big twist of the facts in many cases. :shrug:

Fox is no better or worst than the rest of them, it's mostly bullshit opinions of the current and past events.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #25005881 - 02/19/18 02:47 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/17/facebooks-vp-of-ads-says-russian-meddling-aimed-to-divide-us.html

"The majority of the Russian ad spend happened AFTER the election...but very few outlets have covered it because it doesn't align with the main media narrative of Trump and the election."


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
    #25005925 - 02/19/18 02:59 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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I haven't listened to any MSM reports except one from fox where they blamed Obama (lol), but the official narrative is that their efforts were to sow dischord and civil unrest so that makes perfect sense.

Based on a lot of conversation here, particularly from the right, I get the impression that you don't actually know what the other sides 'narrative' is and just believe what your side tells you their narrative is. I mean as a leftie how many times in this thread did I have to correct people for defending or attacking points I never even brought up?

I'm sure it happens on the left as well, but again I don't watch main stream media, I only tend to interact with the right, and I try to be mindful of what I do read to ensure I don't form a false narrative; I try my best to sort through the fact and recognize when something is an opinion, and when I express an opinion I try to clarify it as such. At the end of the day the facts are what really matter.




But did the MSM point out the FACTS that the VP of Facebook did?  :popcorn:  You do realize failing to state very important facts is just the same as lying about the case?


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
    #25005972 - 02/19/18 03:15 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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qman said:
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I haven't listened to any MSM reports except one from fox where they blamed Obama (lol), but the official narrative is that their efforts were to sow dischord and civil unrest so that makes perfect sense.

Based on a lot of conversation here, particularly from the right, I get the impression that you don't actually know what the other sides 'narrative' is and just believe what your side tells you their narrative is. I mean as a leftie how many times in this thread did I have to correct people for defending or attacking points I never even brought up?

I'm sure it happens on the left as well, but again I don't watch main stream media, I only tend to interact with the right, and I try to be mindful of what I do read to ensure I don't form a false narrative; I try my best to sort through the fact and recognize when something is an opinion, and when I express an opinion I try to clarify it as such. At the end of the day the facts are what really matter.




But did the MSM point out the FACTS that the VP of Facebook did?  :popcorn:  You do realize failing to state very important facts is just the same as lying about the case?




What facts are you referring to and how do you know they didn't report them? And again I might not be able to answer anyway, I rarely watch any MSM, I don't consider talking heads spouting opinions to be a very good source of news.




I'm referring to the facts that the VP of Facebook stated.

"how do you know they didn't report them?"

I don't, can you show me where they did?  If it was important enough for the VP to point out the MSM didn't report these facts, I believe he is correct in saying the MSM failed to report those facts. Did the FBI report those facts?


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
    #25007616 - 02/20/18 09:50 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

I'm never going to vote again unless someone can guarantee that I haven't been a victim of election "meddling", which is impossible to do.

Facebook destroyed democracy. :crankey:


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000] * 1
    #25007794 - 02/20/18 11:11 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm never going to vote again unless someone can guarantee that I haven't been a victim of election "meddling", which is impossible to do.

Facebook destroyed democracy. :crankey:




Haha, what? Who said anything like that? It's more like, "I'm not going to clean the table after my drunk friend took a shit on it and just eat dinner as usual."




My Facebook was loaded with pro-Trump propaganda and I fell victim to it, who's to say it won't happen again? 

Should I put myself into total isolation months before an election?  I don't want anything "meddling" with my vulnerable mind.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
    #25007825 - 02/20/18 11:20 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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No, you should be mindful of what you read, check the primary sources supporting anything that sounds suspicious, etc. If anything you should become more politically active. If I get a terrible sun burn my take away isn't that I should never go outside again, it's that I should do something to mitigate it such as put on sun screen.




I obviously need someone like yourself to hold my hand through the process, are you up for it?  I highly suspicious of everything now. :sad:

My brain was hacked into by a foreign government, how does one recover from such an occurrence? They don't.


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