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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
#24998847 - 02/16/18 01:53 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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WP is right leaning? In an alternate universe perhaps, not in this one.
All I saw was the russians posted on social media and gave the impression they were usa citizens. This is all the far left can come up with? Bogus indictments based on technicalities? We were told they had the goods on trump and he would soon be out. Now after more than a year and all they have is this nothing burger?
USA does the same exact thing all the time, is doing it right now. We have paid trolls shilling on this very site, they are on many english language sites, many russian, etc sites. Whats the difference? We have gone in and overthrown governments by force, paid money to opposition groups to do it for us and anything else you could think of and put our puppets in power. Shaw of iran just for example. But we are shocked and indignant when they use social media? lol
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
#24998855 - 02/16/18 01:56 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Read my post, its a nothing burger. Social media?
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
#24998879 - 02/16/18 02:09 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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So they used social media, we already knew that. They may have violated some obscure statute in reporting the fact they were posting opinions but that has not been established. Its along the lines of not breaking the tax stamp when opening a pack of cigarettes in certain states, a technical violation of federal law. Lets go indict all of them too!
I assume you never break any laws, never use any drugs, etc since you are so upset over any tiny violation of any law. You must be perfect yourself.
And lets ignore the things usa does, that you yourself have complained about in other threads. Lets just focus on this and get enraged but ignore all that.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
#24998965 - 02/16/18 02:47 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pay no attention to uncle sam behind the curtain doing the same thing, right k2000?
Oh did they pay people to campaign for them? How dare they? And posted opinions, that is way worse than hillary giving away our uranium supplies to russia in exchange for payoffs. Right? Enjoy your nothing burger
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: qman]
#24999130 - 02/16/18 04:03 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Illegal immigrants hold political rallies in the US, where is outrage and indictments? 
But thats different q, they are brown. Or if they aren't its still ok cause they vote dem.
The fake id's are only alleged, prosecute those with evidence but telling us posting opinions on social media is a crime is bs.
Wouldn't it be funny if all this moral outrage turned around and hit hillary for what she did? I long for the day she does the perp walk and gets sent to the slammer. Bill too long as we are dreaming.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Rahz]
#25000569 - 02/17/18 06:42 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well said Rahz
>The appearance of Trump's guilt is much more important than facts.
That sums up the whole thing, the whole media campaign, mueller, the investigation, everything. Facts mean little to the far left, we already know that. So the scandal sheets keep on, spewing innuendo and salacious inferences. The usual suspects eat it up and even normal people are drawn in by the implication something big is happening. Its the old concept of if there is a lot of smoke there must be some fire somewhere. The media has been generating smoke like mad, but all we end up with is another nothing burger.
What about all the people in the last administration who got caught committing fraud and other crimes? The media either ignored it or made a neutral type mention and let it drop forever. Obama is implicated in the russian uranium scandal that was pushed mightily by hillary who got huge sums from russian sources. But predictably the media has no interest in actual crimes by those people, yet goes into a frenzy over the daily drip of highly exaggerated drama whipped up over the slightest thing. Its all smoke and mirrors to deflect and bamboozle.
I even wonder if part of the get trump campaign is to create a distraction so that hill and 'bummer get a free pass on their wrong doing? I wish trump would just go ahead and fire sessions and get someone who will go after the real bad guys.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
#25001535 - 02/17/18 03:18 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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>To be clear, you are calling the Russian conspiracy investigation to be farcical yet the uranium one deal to be a legitimate fraudulent conspiracy?
Yes the russian investigation is farcical as far as the unstated but obvious goal of bringing down trump. They may have caught a few small fish but so what? The uranium deal is well known, no conspiracy there. We gave away a large part of our uranium reserves, hill got a large payoff. This has been established. Obama who signed off on it, got paid with huge speaking fees from the companies and countries he helped. Naturally they paid hundreds of thousands or even millions just to hear the sound of his voice and not quid pro quo. 
That hasn't even been investigated let alone to the extent the non existant trump-russia connection has been done. We are supposed to only look at that and not at obama and clinton's crimes.
BJ >Nixon said this investigation has been going on for a year with no smoking gun and it's time to end it now. So......
got a link to that alleged quote?
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
#25001686 - 02/17/18 04:44 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ho hum a bunch of gossip adding up to... another nothing burger
Lets investigate the uranium deal if you are so sure it was on the up and up. BTW, hill's emails were illegal since she discussed top secret things on an insecure server.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
#25001807 - 02/17/18 05:41 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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>If those emails were so illegal how come she was never charged?
A very good question that should be asked of holder and obama. Since then of course there is all this smoke and mirrors to distract attention from the real crimes. Posting on social media, thats all they've got and you guys are really excited like you have something now.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
#25001825 - 02/17/18 05:48 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Then go after them for fake id or whatever actual crime they did. But it sounds like the main thing is posting. Gee I guess I'm interfering in the next election by posting here, so are you and all of us. Will we be indicted too?
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
#25002151 - 02/17/18 08:02 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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It seems you are saying if one or two people do it, no problem, but if its done a lot then big problem. Q is right, its a joke but no one is laughing. Interfering with our election by posting on media and buying ads.
What about the 20 million saudi arabia gave hillary? Was that interfering or is that ok since it wasn't for trump?
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
#25002225 - 02/17/18 08:47 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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You are (along with the dems and mueller) trying to make a mountain out of a molehill of posts. We talk about major crimes that nothing was done about yet, but we should be up in arms cause they posted on fb or something? Yes that was the main thrust of the indictment, the other was just stuff they happened across.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
#25003256 - 02/18/18 10:18 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Some people seem to think posting on the internet is spying or something. If this flies what is next, charging people with a crime for expressing their views? Maybe if they investigate them hard enough they will find a bag of weed too? Maybe left wingers will be in the cross hairs next time? Be careful what you wish for cause it may come back to bite you in the ass.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
#25003657 - 02/18/18 01:16 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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So posting on the net is corruption? Then you are corrupt. Or only if they have a big budget? We don't know who hacked the dnc but I'm glad they did, they were dirty as hell. If some EX trump staffers are found guilty it looks like it will be bs charges like posting without a licence, lol. And maybe a bag of weed.
Yeah, one day when they come knocking on your door for illegal posting you will sputter "but but I'm not a russian!" as they drag you away. Free speech must be constantly defended against the forces of tyranny.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420]
#25004087 - 02/18/18 04:54 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh golly, the russians wanted trump to win rather than the insane corrupt warhawk hillary. Anyone with sense wanted the same thing, not necessarily trump but abc, anyone but clinton.
They posted on social media, who knew that was against the law? And spent money, another surprising thing apparently against the law. And some were russian, its certainly against the law to be russian isn't it? Then charged with fraud because they used the screen name henry jones instead of vladimir kruchev. Gee, are we all in trouble if we post and our screen name is not our own name? This isn't even a mole hill, its another nothing burger that the media is going into a frenzy over, along with the far left who sees nothing hypocritical about it.
If they can charge with fraud for that, then no one is safe. Be careful what you wish for.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: qman]
#25004261 - 02/18/18 06:25 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cnn is a fake news site so lets indict them. They tried to influence the election by lying and saying hill had it all sewn up. Many of the others too. Why do they get to give opinions instead of facts but when someone else does it, its a crime?
Wire fraud because they sent money to pay for ads and didn't check all the boxes that applied. Or used a fake name, ooooh thats a biggie, better give them life for that.
Those named are in other countries and will probably never see the inside of a usa court. This is all smoke and mirrors because they could come up with nothing after more than a year of trying to connect trump to a russia scandal. So now they charge someone with using a fake id and wiring money, ho hum. And giving opinions, that was the big crime. If they had attacked trump, there would have been no charges even if they broke twice as many tiny regulations. We all know that.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420]
#25004398 - 02/18/18 07:43 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Watergate started with a fact, a burglary did indeed happen. The links to high govt officials took a while to unravel but they started with an actual crime. Here we start with posting on the internet and try to make it into a crime. See the difference? No I guess you don't.
Another difference which sinks your nixon comparison is that the alleged crime of posting while using a fake name and spending money was not done by govt officials or under their orders, it was allegedly foreign nationals. The influencing of the election was not by tampering with voting machines, as hill is strongly suspected of doing. Neither was it by giving huge bribes to elected officials and candidates, as we know happened with hill. SA alone gave her some 20M, other govts gave loads of money too. Tell me that didn't influence anything.
You will steadfastly deny the huge sums of money given to her influenced her actions but only those who gave got results.
We all know usa tries to influence other countries elections but that's different. hill is different because she isn't trump. Thats it in a nutshell, the public is getting tired of the latest nothing burger, they want red meat but it isn't going to happen. Just more fake news and phoney charges. I doubt it will ever get to court.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: XUL]
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>Out of the time spent in this investigation all that they can tell is that 13 Russians were engaged in political rallies?
Yeah thats a crime now... if you are favoring gop. Oh but lets not forget that they used fake names, thats the big deal. And also they spent a lot of money, thats starting to be illegal now I guess. BTW, I don't think the council can indict, that would be a function of a grand jury. He can file a charging document, no big difference.
Yeah, hill took millions in bribes, sold off a lot of our strategic uranium reserves but no biggie. Some russians paid for ads and posted under fake screen names and thats a BIG honking deal. If you believe the msm which few besides the far left do anymore.
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But q, what are a few minor facts when you have a lot of emotion to express? Facts are just annoying little things to be ignored by the far left when they don't fit into the story they are trying to tell.
You know the funniest thing about all this and many other things too is that the left is the willing and eager tool of the very people they profess to hate. Namely the 1%, the ultra rich and the elites. Who do you think controls the media outlets with their lies and distortions? Its not the gop, I'll give you guys a clue to start with.
The elites bring in floods of cheap labor causing low wages, the left cheers. But then they bitch about no raises, working for min and can't find a decent job. They are unable to connect the dots even if you connect the dots for them. They whine about crime but are all in favor of more muslims and other illiterates coming over. There is some serious cognitive dissonance going on.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: SirTripAlot]
#25006209 - 02/19/18 04:55 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mueller should be shit canned, trump is a good president with some excellent policies
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