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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420] 4
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Stonehenge] 3
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Please stop saying nothing burger.
It's dumb af.
That's all.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: fraufranfroufrou] 3
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It's interesting to me that everyone is worried about foreign influence in the U.S. election process vis a vis "russian collusion", but nobody makes a peep about the unlimited political speech rights afforded to foreigners via investment in American corporations.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420] 3
#25004144 - 02/18/18 05:24 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's anti intellectualism, they don't care about truth, just how it makes them feel and if it makes them feel bad they shut it out and label it as false. It's no coincidence there's a large overlap between antiintellectualism and religiousity, especially of the unquestioning dogmatic and patriarchical based demographics there of.
Edit: And look at falcon man. He's no trump supporter but we are on opposing sides in many things yet we have perfectly rational discussions. We both actually seem to seek the truth, consider what the other has to say, and often we will conceed that the other is correct, has a good point, etc. That is how you have a proper discussion, that is what we should be here for. There's such a stark contrast between debating with someone like him and someone who just blindly attacks everything they disagree with.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000] 3
#25008479 - 02/20/18 03:19 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's why I post here. The forum is impersonal to a degree. What's the worst that can happen, someone rating you 0 mushies, ha? I have a strained relationship with some family, so hearing a blow by blow of the Fox News channel, will only make me waste brain cells...I will just eat the turkey, thank you.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420] 3
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A 1.2 million dollar a month operation with over a hundred employees dedicated to swaying our election doesn't sound like Nothing burger to me
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420] 3
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The whole collusion thing is worthless, in my opinion, as a news item. Don't misunderstand me, I want the investigation to proceed and nab up as many corrupt politicians as possible, but I don't want to hear about it anymore. The real evidence, if it exists, will probably never be available to the public. In the end, we'll have to accept that much of the evidence will be classified one way or the other. That being the case, I would prefer we could all move on to other things that public input could be useful in solving and that won't divide the nation like passenger vehicle safety or the opioid crisis
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: bodhisatta] 3
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krypto2000 said: Of course it is, what's your point? We should just give up, stop voting, stop even talking or complaining about it? With that attitude no wonder our democracy is a joke.
Yep. That's the only way to get something better. Cut the footings at the foundation. They've got the entire population by the balls stringing them along with "democracy"
People want to fight to fix democracy yet it's already broken. Let's just talk, complain, and vote our way out of this problem.
It's like having hope that terri schiavo is going to pull thru if you just say and do the right things
Voting, complaining, talking etc... All they do is strengthen the existing problem by keeping it relevant and the status quo
So you're telling me we should give up and that will result in a better system? Like if we just gave up fighting the british and didn't revolt we'd have a better system? If we let slave owners do whatever and didn't fight we'd have a better system? If we just let Hitler take whatever he wanted eventually he'd get tired and give us a better system? Just because you've given up on life doesn't mean the rest of us should.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: MiracleMike] 3
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MiracleMike said: I must confess. I'm russian. I live in Russia. It's goddamn russians everywhere! That shit scares me to hell! Some russians can beat the shit outa you for many reasons: you lookin different, you sober, you drunk, you smokin or you don't smokin. Or maybe because you smiling: "Why da hell are you smilin? It's a war overthere! Fuckin USA stifle us with sanctions! European faggots tryin to teach us how to live! Ukrainian fuckin fascist killing russian people in Dobass! Why da hell are you smilin?!" BAM! And if you are lucky enough you'll wake up in hospital which looks like shit from middle of '50s.
I don't watching TV here cause there only endless political talk shows where people screaming on each other. In between there are TV series about not real russian cops catching not real russian gangsters. And news about Putin. You may think it's just another conspiracy theory, but I'm sure that TV still exist here to make people desperate and angry about anything. In Moscow or St.Petersburg is not so bad though, but this country is fucking huge and out there alot of people a fucking aggressive savages!
When I was on business trip in CA last year I was seriously thinkin about buying sleeping bag and get lost somewhere in Pasadena park. Yet I come back.
Sorry guys, but this shit butthurting me.
The US has been heading more and more into that direction. The more you can make your populace think they are surrounded by enemies, the more scared you can make them of their neighbors, the more divided they become, the more control the state actors have. Hell, look at what bohdi just said for example; he's angry that we're discussing and trying to resolve problems and thinks we should just give up and cow down like cattle.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: koods] 3
#25043192 - 03/06/18 02:27 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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How about this: I bet Trump will not be indicted for Russia collusion by the end of the year.
Loser's signature has to say "I am really stupid for (not) believing all the reports implying Trump colluded with Russia."
Loser's signature must visibly include this for 6 months after the end of the year.
Deal???
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Maybe I would consider it with someone I actually know would come through if they lost 
Not saying you wouldn't, I just don't know you really and I wouldn't trust most Trump supporters to follow through.
that's funny. fal a trump supporter. falcon is an evidence-based truth supporter to the point of being anal at times.
BTW, i don't think anyone of consequence who has been here for any decent length of time would call falcon dishonest or untrustworthy, especially when it comes to something so insignificant as a signature on the shroomery.
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Our Putin dick sucking president will not be president on 01Sep18.
WHAT'S YOUR BET.
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"Losers!" 
FTR, it wasn't "losers!", it was the possessive form of the word, loser's, as in "The loser's (of the bet) signature" blah blah blah.
there is a lot of stuff in this sub for which one could call any number of people childish and be accurate, but falcon doesn't post in a childish fashion...at least not unless he's talking down to someone else's level (like an HU or a SH).
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 3
#25068031 - 03/16/18 07:22 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nothing illegal here.
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The Russian-born Sater served a year in prison for stabbing a man in the face with a margarita glass during a bar fight, pleaded guilty to racketeering as part of a mafia-driven "pump-and-dump" stock fraud and then escaped jail time by becoming a highly valued government informant.
He was also an important figure at Bayrock, a development company and key Trump real estate partner during the 2000s, notably with the Trump SoHo hotel-condominium in New York City, and has said under oath that he represented Trump in Russia and subsequently billed himself as a senior Trump advisor, with an office in Trump Tower.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardbehar/2016/10/03/donald-trump-and-the-felon-inside-his-business-dealings-with-a-mob-connected-hustler/#4ca58e7e2282
Some background on Trump Soho. http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-soho-has-a-sordid-history-highlights-photos-2017-11#behind-the-scenes-more-potential-trouble-was-brewing-condo-sales-were-slow-and-bayrock-whose-offices-were-inside-trump-tower-in-midtown-also-had-a-separate-lawsuit-filed-against-them-6
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#24998705 - 02/16/18 12:20 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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The hammer is coming down fellas.
edit: Here is a link to the actual indictments if you want to read that out. The WaPo I chose because it's purposefully lacking any details. Literally every news source is covering this, the story is not lacking in details, only the article I linked; choose your own flavor and come back to have an actual discussion about it.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 2
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Mueller needs to be fired, this is a joke.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000] 2
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What if an illegal immigrant from Mexico made a fake Facebook account and posted negative rhetoric about Trump? Would the FBI indict them? NO.
Would that act be considered "intervening" in our elections? NO.
This is a big joke and now the FBI is officially a big joke.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: qman] 2
#24998889 - 02/16/18 02:16 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Unless I see a paper trail of funds from Trump to these "Russian nationals", nothing burger.
People, foreign governments always try to influence others elections, the US actually creates and installs them.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: ballsalsa] 2
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He apparently thinks an illegal immigrant making a facebook account and campaigning is equivalent to bank fraud, wire fraud, identity theft, and conspiracy lol. These people are either in denial or they are trolls, it's very hard to take them seriously sometimes; it's hard for me to fathom that people can be so blind and beholden to an idea that they ignore reality. It's literally like a religion to them.
I value intelligence, truth, compassion, and honesty. Yes I don't like to be wrong, but if someone presents me with a paper outlining exactly why I am I will read it because that's how I become not wrong, I either change or find the flaws in the evidence presented. I'm not going to double down on my denial and attack the person who made a photo copy of it, make some whataboutisms, jokes, or otherwise deflect because whether that person is convinced or not I still have to live with the ideas I hold in my own mind.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000] 2
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Excerpts from the indictments:
Defendants' operations included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump ("Trump Campaign") and disparaging Hillary Clinton. Defendants made various expenditures to carry out those activities, including buying political advertisements on social media in the names of U.S. persons and entities. Defendants also staged political rallies inside the United States, and while posing as U.S. grassroots entities and U.S. persons, and without revealing their Russian identities and ORGANIZATION affiliation, solicited and compensated real U.S. persons to promote or disparage candidates. Some Defendants, posing as U.S. persons and without revealing their Russian association, communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities.
In order to carry out their activities to interfere in U.S. political and electoral processes without detection of their Russian affiliation, Defendants conspired to obstruct the lawful functions of the United States government through fraud and deceit, including by making expenditures in connection with the 2016 U.S. presidential election without proper regulatory disclosure; failing to register as foreign agents carrying out political activities within the United States; and obtaining visas through false and fraudulent statements.
Defendants and their co-conspirators used their fictitious online personas to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election. They engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump.
On or about February 10, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators internally circulated an outline of themes for future content to be posted to ORGANIZATION-controlled social media accounts. Specialists were instructed to post content that focused on "politics in the USA" and to "use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump--we support them)."
From at least April 2016 through November 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators, while concealing their Russian identities and ORGANIZATION affiliation through false personas, began to produce, purchase, and post advertisements on U.S. social media and other online sites expressly advocating for the election of then-candidate Trump or expressly opposing Clinton. Defendants and their co-conspirators did not report their expenditures to the Federal Election Commission, or register as foreign agents with the U.S. Department of Justice. The political advertisements included the following:
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April 6, 2016 "You know, a great number of black people support us saying that #HillaryClintonlsNotMyPresident" April 7, 2016 "I say no to Hillary Clinton / I say no to manipulation" April 19, 2016 "JOIN our #HillaryClintonForPrison2016" May 10, 2016 "Donald wants to defeat terrorism ... Hillary wants to sponsor it" May 19, 2016 "Vote Republican, vote Trump, and support the Second Amendment!" May 24, 2016 "Hillary Clinton Doesn't Deserve the Black Vote" June 7, 2016 "Trump is our only hope for a better future!" June 30, 2016 "#Never Hillary #Hillary F orPrison #Hillary4 Prison #HillaryForPrison2016 #Trump2016 #Trump #Trump4President" July 20, 2016 "Ohio Wants Hillary 4 Prison" August 4, 2016 "Hillary Clinton has already committed voter fraud during the Democrat Iowa Caucus." August 10, 2016 "We cannot trust Hillary to take care of our veterans!" October 14, 2016 "Among all the candidates Donald Trump is the one and only who can defend the police from terrorists." October 19, 2016 "Hillary is a Satan, and her crimes and lies had proved just how evil she is."
To pay for the political advertisements, Defendants and their co-conspirators established various Russian bank accounts and credit cards, often registered in the names of fictitious U.S. personas created and used by the ORGANIZATION on social media. Defendants and their coconspirators also paid for other political advertisements using PayPal accounts.
Beginning in at least 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators used, without lawful authority, the social security numbers, home addresses, and birth dates ofreal U.S. persons without their knowledge or consent. Using these means of stolen identification, Defendants and their coconspirators opened accounts at a federally insured U.S. financial institution ("Bank I")
Defendants and their co-conspirators purchased credit card and bank account numbers from online sellers for the unlawful purpose of evading security measures at PayPal, which used account numbers to verify a user's identity. Many of the bank account numbers purchased by Defendants and their co-conspirators were created using the stolen identities of real U.S. persons. After purchasing the accounts, Defendants and their co-conspirators submitted these bank account numbers to PayPal.
On or about August 18, 2016, the real "Florida for Trump" Facebook account responded to the false U.S. persona "Matt Skiber" account with instructions to contact a member of the Trump Campaign ("Campaign Official l ") involved in the campaign's Florida operations and provided Campaign Official 1's email address at the campaign domain donaldtrump.com.On approximately the same day, Defendants and their co-conspirators used the email address of a false U.S. persona, joshmilton024@gmail.com, to send an email to Campaign Official 1 at that donaldtrump.com email account, which read in part:
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"Hello [Campaign Official l], [w]e are organizing a state-wide event in Florida on August, 20 to support Mr. Trump. Let us introduce ourselves first. "Being Patriotic" is a grassroots conservative online movement trying to unite people offline. . . . [W]e gained a huge lot of followers and decided to somehow help Mr. Trump get elected. You know, simple yelling on the Internet is not enough. There should be real action. We organized rallies in New York before. Now we're focusing on purple states such as Florida." The email also identified thirteen "confirmed locations" in Florida for the rallies and requested the campaign provide "assistance in each location."
On or about August 24, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators updated an internal ORGANIZATION list of over 100 real U.S. persons contacted through ORGANIZATIONcontrolled false U.S. persona accounts and tracked to monitor recruitment efforts and requests. The list included contact information for the U.S. persons, a summary of their political views, and activities they had been asked to perform by Defendants and their co-conspirators.
"No one brought up Trump until you did." _____________________________ The fuck you talking about? You linked an article talking about the Trump campaign.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 2
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Oh, I know we will see more allegations. We've seen one nothing burger after another and there's no reason to think it will stop.
Why should it? This is the get Trump train. The appearance of Trump's guilt is much more important than facts. Media insiders have been caught admitting the investigation is a "Trump nothingburger" but just the rough hope that maybe one day someone will come forward or get boxed into implicating Trump in a crime makes every little scrap and crumb of the Muller investigation front page news and spins the anti Trump narrative for another day. I have a family member who informs me that soon I and everyone else will know how dirty Trump really is. He is hopefully optimistic that this investigation will conclude quickly and has his hope fed daily with every new report and tidbit like a salicious novel one can only read a page at a time. Yet many on the left and in the media will be glad to string this thing out as long as possible, nothinburger or not maybe all the way up to 2020. Even if the investigation ends with Trump in the clear the media will have done their best to paint that stain as deeply as possible and the allegations and opinion pieces will pine on about how Trump dodged a bullet, never reaching a point of ad nauseam for those who will never accept the Trump administration. I'm not even sure this novel will prove healthy for the DNC... but it's great fucking news.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 2
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krypto2000 said: In that case then I do not believe I can change your mind at this point as we can only speculate how much impact the ad campaigns had.
Ok then, how would you define election interference?
Here we have finally found the mythological paid shills, and now it's "meh." LOL. These people had millions of dollars to buy social media influence, to promote or fabricate fake news, to coordinate with campaigns. You cannot quantify their influence but it certainly wasn't nothing.
I think the most effective part of the Russian media operation was to poison Clinton in the eyes of sanders supporters.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000] 2
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Man, I am just burnt on the whole Russia hoax. Out of the time spent in this investigation all that they can tell is that 13 Russians were engaged in political rallies? We probably already knew these kinds of things were happening. Where the hell is the big blowout and impeachment for collusion?
It's like watching the FBI beat a dead horse with a piece of straw.
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