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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: koods]
#24999026 - 02/16/18 03:13 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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We have someone this credulous in control of our national secrets.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25000174 - 02/16/18 11:18 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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koods said: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/16/text-full-mueller-indictment-on-russian-election-case-415670
Page 4. Can't copy text to quote from images.
I didn't see it there. But you can click on the "TEXT" tab and then copy/paste it for us.
It quite literally says anyone in the Trump campaign that was involved had no idea who they really were, point 6 last sentence.
It also states "they supported the Trump campaign" which is not an accusation of the Trump campaign or the President of being complicit with Russian officials to interfere with the election.
If you go on to the next page and read point 9 it fully indicates these allegations are directed solely at the "intentional conspirators" who "knowingly and intentionally conspired to defraud the United States by impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful functions of the blah blah blah." Keywords are knowingly and intentionally because they have boxed themselves into not involving the "unwitting" participants. If anyone in the Trump campaign falls under those guidelines of "unwitters", which seems to be the case, evidenced by all the defendants not disclosing their affiliations. Then the collusion narrative is dead on the spot.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
#25002221 - 02/17/18 08:45 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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What does everyone think about this, Trump literally was RE tweeting russian propaganda as far back as 2014:
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/536655839353139200
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"@russiannavyblog: @dr_rita39 I follow Mr. Trump in a crusade to get him to restore Western Civilization with a Trump/Palin '16 ticket!"
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/546426937179381760
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"@VladimirRussia7: "@realDonaldTrump :Be sure to set exceptional goals for your 2015 resolutions. Push yourself, you can do it. Think Big!""

Also funnily enough Trump is claiming as some of this Russia stuff dates back to 2014 before he was running that clears his name, but he registered the MAGA trademark in 2012 with the intention of using it as his campaign slogan...
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
#25003904 - 02/18/18 03:11 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: They had a $1.25 million MONTHLY budget. Yes, that means multi million.
Ok, my mistake.
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krypto2000 said: They supported Trump and Bernie and attacked Clinton, Cruz, etc. Where are you getting this both sides narrative from?
From the ads themselves?

Let me share a story that explains my perspective and what I'm guessing is going on (admittedly, this is speculation, but so far I've seen nothing to show my speculation is wrong).
Well before the election, I posted about how Hillary wants us to hate on Russia. I know a good number of Russians living here in the San Francisco Bay Area, and it's clear I wasn't the only one who noticed this. Many of the Russians I know found Hillary's aggression troubling, and some Russian Democrats (US Citizens) actually said they would not vote for Hillary (Bernie was their man, and previously Obama was). When Bernie lost, some of them plugged their nose and decided to support Trump over Clinton (though I may have convinced a few to 'waste' a vote on Jill Stein).
As American citizens, I know these people are politically active, and give money to their favorite candidates. My theory (I haven't asked them) is that some of those Russians whose English isn't that good donated to Russian language anti-Hillary websites (not necessarily pro-Trump). These may have been the organizations in Saint Petersburg that were just indicted. Many of the adds would be consistent with this.
It's currently a fact that "Mueller’s indictment did not tie the meddling effort to the Russian government" and that it has nothing to do with the actions of Trump or the Russian Government.
Just some food for thought on what might have happened.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: qman]
#25004228 - 02/18/18 06:08 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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qman said: "reputable sites"
Like the NYT's, Washington Post, CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS? Please tell us you're joking.
Sure, let 6 mega corporations dictate all the information that forms a political position. 
Ok please tell us what reputable sites you use? Fox? 
And actually I don't specifically check any of those sites...
When I do check a site I try and cross reference with other sources.
Speaking of Fox though, what do you all think of this gem:

It apparently originated on 4chan of all places, and Hannity tried making it into a story/scandal before deleting it after realizing he got trolled
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: qman]
#25006008 - 02/19/18 03:26 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Has the VP of facebook's claims been independently verified? There's plenty of reason to expect Facebook to spin this story to make them look like Facebook wasn't being used to sway the election.
Let's not forget that the Russians were explicit in their support for trump in private communications
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: koods]
#25006852 - 02/19/18 10:25 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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koods said: Let's not forget that the Russians were explicit in their support for trump in private communications

As I already explained to YOU, it's not "the Russians" who were explicit in their support for Trump. "What Bob Goldstone said in his emails was that a Russian pop star (Emin Agalarov) said his dad Aras said he could get Trump some dirt on Hillary as 'part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump – helped along by Aras and Emin'. From this, we don't know what the Russian Government's position really was, only that Bob Goldstone thought the Russian Government supported Trump based on his conversation with the Russian pop star who wanted to help Trump (but never did)."
Just because a few private Russian citizens like Trump doesn't mean Trump is colluding with the Russian Government.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25006924 - 02/19/18 10:55 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Proof of election meddling:

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A team of American political strategists... said this week that they served as Russian President Boris N. Yeltsin’s secret campaign weapon in his comeback win over a Communist challenge.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Stonehenge] 1
#25014100 - 02/22/18 06:24 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25029441 - 02/28/18 04:05 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Exactly. Which disproves your statement that Wikileaks not releasing the RNC emails "seems pretty damning". There may not have been any emails on Trump.
There probably weren't any. The Russian hacking campaign was specifically targeted at undermining clinton.
Wikileaks even sent Don Jr. A message asking him to "leak" trumps tax returns so that Wikileaks would appear to be not taking sides, whennin reality their whole effort along with the Russians was to help trump beat clinton.

Sessions refuses to get himself involved with this at all. He was so eager to recuse himself as well. He knows what really happened and that trump could be in serious trouble if there was a serious investigation. Recusal was the only way he could protect himself.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420]
#25030151 - 02/28/18 08:53 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I read this somewhere else. Just when I think Trump can't getting any dumber, he totally redeems himself!
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: koods] 1
#25030175 - 02/28/18 09:08 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Asclepius said: I read this somewhere else. Just when I think Trump can't getting any dumber, he totally redeems himself!

You're going to have to narrow it down a bit, you just described like 90% of the news about Trump this past year 
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koods said: Trump is a completely dysfunctional person. I cannot believe he was actually elected president.
What if he ran as a joke or PR stunt, then someone decided he should win so they could pillage for awhile and clean house, so they made it happen 
Trump said he would "drain the swamp", I bet he wasn't counting on being the human draino that actually did it...
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420] 1
#25032753 - 03/02/18 05:21 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Who wants a cheap ass ( $30.) MAGA hat when they can get a nice ( $50. ) American Dreamer hat

These will soon be best sellers too.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: vinsue]
#25033447 - 03/02/18 11:37 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've seen some funny shirts as well:



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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: musiclover420]
#25033647 - 03/02/18 01:01 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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> What are your thoughts on Putin's threat of nuking Florida? Coincidentally nuking near Mar A Lago specifically
Personally, I think tonight around 7:30PM EST would be an excellent time for Putin to test out 1 of his smaller ones.

( 7:30 PM Deliver remarks at the Republican National Committee Spring Donor Retreat Dinner – Mar-a-Lago ) https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2018/03/president-donald-trumps-schedule-friday-march-2-2018/
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: vinsue] 1
#25033698 - 03/02/18 01:35 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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vinsue said: > What are your thoughts on Putin's threat of nuking Florida? Coincidentally nuking near Mar A Lago specifically
Personally, I think tonight around 7:30PM EST would be an excellent time for Putin to test out 1 of his smaller ones.

( 7:30 PM Deliver remarks at the Republican National Committee Spring Donor Retreat Dinner – Mar-a-Lago ) https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2018/03/president-donald-trumps-schedule-friday-march-2-2018/
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How liddle dick put it?
"Russia if you're listening, I hope you're able to find stray missile to send to Mar-a-Lago about 19:30 local time. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press."
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: sweeper54]
#25033883 - 03/02/18 03:00 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I forgot Trump wears a 24 hour watch.

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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: koods]
#25035069 - 03/03/18 01:49 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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koods said: Unfortunately the only solution for someone like Putin is a bullet in the head. He will never give up power willingly and he's a dangerous figure. In a way Russians deserve what they have gotten. They had the opportunity to become a real democracy and they squandered it. Something in their culture seems to steer them toward autocracy over and over.
What are you talking about? Do you just make everything up??? They have democratic elections in Russia and the next one is just a few weeks away (18 March). It's not about Putin's willingness to give up power, it's about who the Russian people democratically elect. Your ignorance is just astounding.
It's true that Russians don't seem to mind autocracy if they have someone in charge who is doing a good job, and Putin enjoys very good popularity. He is favored to win the March election as he is way ahead in the polls.

Russia even has a progressive system where no candidate can win without at least 50% of the vote, so if for example if Putin got 45%, the communist candidate got 30%, and the next candidate got 25%, they would eliminate the bottom candidate and have another election between Putin and the communist candidate, and whoever got 50%+ of the votes is the winner.
Please learn a little before you show off your ignorance.
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Stonehenge]
#25037869 - 03/04/18 09:50 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
#25038274 - 03/04/18 01:23 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: The US has been heading more and more into that direction. The more you can make your populace think they are surrounded by enemies, the more scared you can make them of their neighbors, the more divided they become, the more control the state actors have.
I was only in CA and I must say that it was awesome trips. Nice smiley people everywhere, sun, californian wine and IPA beer, weed. It's amazing place. I was told that Irvine is a police town but for 2 month I saw only one cop car and three cops in Target. In Russia every day I see about 2-3 cop cars while getting to the job, and about 4-5 patrols on foot -- 4 cops with dog -- while getting back home.
I know in US things are different from state to state, but I cannot say it is so bad in California.
Noone smiles here on the streets. Wanna know why? Just take a look at shithole where I living.
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