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Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference * 2
    #24998705 - 02/16/18 02:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The hammer is coming down fellas.

edit: Here is a link to the actual indictments if you want to read that out. The WaPo I chose because it's purposefully lacking any details. Literally every news source is covering this, the story is not lacking in details, only the article I linked; choose your own flavor and come back to have an actual discussion about it.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
    #24998713 - 02/16/18 02:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Again?  How many times have we been told this?


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #24998718 - 02/16/18 02:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Mueller needs to be fired, this is a joke.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: qman]
    #24998728 - 02/16/18 02:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

There is almost nothing in the link.

Are these russains in the states?  Or us that what war us today?  You charge the enemy with a crime?


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24998745 - 02/16/18 02:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You guys are just going to deny and dismiss it rather than investigate? That's your natural reaction?

This is literally a MAJOR story, just dropping, and the media is all over it; details are a plenty if you care to find them, I'm not going to spoon feed anyone. I chose the least biased/inflammatory source for that very reason that I wanted unbiased opinions and didn't want to start this off by leading anyone through my own bias.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000] * 1
    #24998761 - 02/16/18 02:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The Washington Post is the "least biased source"?!?!?


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24998777 - 02/16/18 03:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The washington post is right leaning so no, they're definitely not unbiased, but they were in this case because they literally provided no details to impart a bias on. I'm leaving it up to you to see what your preferred sources have to report on it. Here is a link to the indictments themselves if you prefer to comb through it yourself, I've also edited the main post to link this.

Why keep attacking the messenger here though before you even read the message?


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000] * 1
    #24998818 - 02/16/18 03:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I've pointed out before that the Washington Post and CNN are the two leading fake news agencies.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
    #24998847 - 02/16/18 03:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

WP is right leaning? In an alternate universe perhaps, not in this one.

All I saw was the russians posted on social media and gave the impression they were usa citizens. This is all the far left can come up with? Bogus indictments based on technicalities? We were told they had the goods on trump and he would soon be out. Now after more than a year and all they have is this nothing burger?

USA does the same exact thing all the time, is doing it right now. We have paid trolls shilling on this very site, they are on many english language sites, many russian, etc sites. Whats the difference? We have gone in and overthrown governments by force, paid money to opposition groups to do it for us and anything else you could think of and put our puppets in power. Shaw of iran just for example. But we are shocked and indignant when they use social media? lol


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24998850 - 02/16/18 03:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I've pointed out before that the Washington Post and CNN are the two leading fake news agencies.





So what sources have you checked to verify or refute this story? What's your opinion after reading those?


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24998853 - 02/16/18 03:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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WP is right leaning? In an alternate universe perhaps, not in this one.

All I saw was the russians posted on social media and gave the impression they were usa citizens. This is all the far left can come up with? Bogus indictments based on technicalities? We were told they had the goods on trump and he would soon be out. Now after more than a year and all they have is this nothing burger?

USA does the same exact thing all the time, is doing it right now. We have paid trolls shilling on this very site, they are on many english language sites, many russian, etc sites. Whats the difference? We have gone in and overthrown governments by force, paid money to opposition groups to do it for us and anything else you could think of and put our puppets in power. Shaw of iran just for example. But we are shocked and indignant when they use social media? lol




So you haven't read anything then? Why not read the indictments themselves? There's plenty more than that outlined in there.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
    #24998855 - 02/16/18 03:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Read my post, its a nothing burger. Social media?
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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24998864 - 02/16/18 04:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Read this post.

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Excerpts from the indictments:

    Defendants' operations included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump ("Trump Campaign") and disparaging Hillary Clinton. Defendants made various expenditures to carry out those activities, including buying political advertisements on social media in the names of U.S. persons and entities. Defendants also staged political rallies inside the United States, and while posing as U.S. grassroots entities and U.S. persons, and without revealing their Russian identities and ORGANIZATION affiliation, solicited and compensated real U.S. persons to promote or disparage candidates. Some Defendants, posing as U.S. persons and without revealing their Russian association, communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities.

    In order to carry out their activities to interfere in U.S. political and electoral processes without detection of their Russian affiliation, Defendants conspired to obstruct the lawful functions of the United States government through fraud and deceit, including by making expenditures in connection with the 2016 U.S. presidential election without proper regulatory disclosure; failing to register as foreign agents carrying out political activities within the United States; and obtaining visas through false and fraudulent statements.

    Defendants and their co-conspirators used their fictitious online personas to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election. They engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump.

    On or about February 10, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators internally circulated an outline of themes for future content to be posted to ORGANIZATION-controlled social media accounts. Specialists were instructed to post content that focused on "politics in the USA" and to "use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump--we support them)."

    From at least April 2016 through November 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators, while concealing their Russian identities and ORGANIZATION affiliation through false personas, began to produce, purchase, and post advertisements on U.S. social media and other online sites expressly advocating for the election of then-candidate Trump or expressly opposing Clinton. Defendants and their co-conspirators did not report their expenditures to the Federal Election Commission, or register as foreign agents with the U.S. Department of Justice. The political advertisements included the following:

       
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April 6, 2016 "You know, a great number of black people support us saying that #HillaryClintonlsNotMyPresident"
        April 7, 2016 "I say no to Hillary Clinton / I say no to manipulation"
        April 19, 2016 "JOIN our #HillaryClintonForPrison2016"
        May 10, 2016 "Donald wants to defeat terrorism ... Hillary wants to sponsor it"
        May 19, 2016 "Vote Republican, vote Trump, and support the Second Amendment!"
        May 24, 2016 "Hillary Clinton Doesn't Deserve the Black Vote"
        June 7, 2016 "Trump is our only hope for a better future!"
        June 30, 2016 "#Never Hillary #Hillary F orPrison #Hillary4 Prison #HillaryForPrison2016 #Trump2016 #Trump #Trump4President"
        July 20, 2016 "Ohio Wants Hillary 4 Prison"
        August 4, 2016 "Hillary Clinton has already committed voter fraud during the Democrat Iowa Caucus."
        August 10, 2016 "We cannot trust Hillary to take care of our veterans!"
        October 14, 2016 "Among all the candidates Donald Trump is the one and only who can defend the police from terrorists."
        October 19, 2016 "Hillary is a Satan, and her crimes and lies had proved just how evil she is."




    To pay for the political advertisements, Defendants and their co-conspirators established various Russian bank accounts and credit cards, often registered in the names of fictitious U.S. personas created and used by the ORGANIZATION on social media. Defendants and their coconspirators also paid for other political advertisements using PayPal accounts.

    Beginning in at least 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators used, without lawful authority, the social security numbers, home addresses, and birth dates ofreal U.S. persons without their knowledge or consent. Using these means of stolen identification, Defendants and their coconspirators opened accounts at a federally insured U.S. financial institution ("Bank I")

    Defendants and their co-conspirators purchased credit card and bank account numbers from online sellers for the unlawful purpose of evading security measures at PayPal, which used account numbers to verify a user's identity. Many of the bank account numbers purchased by Defendants and their co-conspirators were created using the stolen identities of real U.S. persons. After purchasing the accounts, Defendants and their co-conspirators submitted these bank account numbers to PayPal.

    On or about August 18, 2016, the real "Florida for Trump" Facebook account responded to the false U.S. persona "Matt Skiber" account with instructions to contact a member of the Trump Campaign ("Campaign Official l ") involved in the campaign's Florida operations and provided Campaign Official 1's email address at the campaign domain donaldtrump.com.On approximately the same day, Defendants and their co-conspirators used the email address of a false U.S. persona, joshmilton024@gmail.com, to send an email to Campaign Official 1 at that donaldtrump.com email account, which read in part:

       
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"Hello [Campaign Official l], [w]e are organizing a state-wide event in Florida on August, 20 to support Mr. Trump. Let us introduce ourselves first. "Being Patriotic" is a grassroots conservative online movement trying to unite people offline. . . . [W]e gained a huge lot of followers and decided to somehow help Mr. Trump get elected. You know, simple yelling on the Internet is not enough. There should be real action. We organized rallies in New York before. Now we're focusing on purple states such as Florida." The email also identified thirteen "confirmed locations" in Florida for the rallies and requested the campaign provide "assistance in each location."




    On or about August 24, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators updated an internal ORGANIZATION list of over 100 real U.S. persons contacted through ORGANIZATIONcontrolled false U.S. persona accounts and tracked to monitor recruitment efforts and requests. The list included contact information for the U.S. persons, a summary of their political views, and activities they had been asked to perform by Defendants and their co-conspirators.






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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
    #24998879 - 02/16/18 04:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So they used social media, we already knew that. They may have violated some obscure statute in reporting the fact they were posting opinions but that has not been established. Its along the lines of not breaking the tax stamp when opening a pack of cigarettes in certain states, a technical violation of federal law. Lets go indict all of them too!

I assume you never break any laws, never use any drugs, etc since you are so upset over any tiny violation of any law. You must be perfect yourself.

And lets ignore the things usa does, that you yourself have complained about in other threads. Lets just focus on this and get enraged but ignore all that.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000] * 2
    #24998880 - 02/16/18 04:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

What if an illegal immigrant from Mexico made a fake Facebook account and posted negative rhetoric about Trump?  Would the FBI indict them? NO.

Would that act be considered "intervening" in our elections? NO.

This is a big joke and now the FBI is officially a big joke.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: qman] * 2
    #24998889 - 02/16/18 04:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Unless I see  a paper trail of funds from Trump to these "Russian nationals", nothing burger.

People, foreign governments always try to influence others elections, the US actually creates and installs them.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #24998911 - 02/16/18 04:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

LOL

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-indictment-2016-elections-rod-rosenstein-announcement-today-2018-02-16/

"There's no allegation that any American was knowingly involved in the conspiracy, Rosenstein said. Nor was there an allegation that the efforts of the defendants affected the outcome of the election. The indictment, he told reporters, is a reminder that "people are not always who they appear to be"


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
    #24998932 - 02/16/18 04:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Are you guys reading the same things I am? In the quote above it mentions how they made fake ID's and held political rallies in US soil, hired US persons to falsely campaign for them, etc. The social media aspect is only a small portion of what is outlined.

Why do you guys not read before forming opinions and then commenting? We're about a page deep already and it seems like I'm the only one who did anything more than read the headline even lol. Are you people real?


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #24998940 - 02/16/18 04:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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LOL

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-indictment-2016-elections-rod-rosenstein-announcement-today-2018-02-16/

"There's no allegation that any American was knowingly involved in the conspiracy, Rosenstein said. Nor was there an allegation that the efforts of the defendants affected the outcome of the election. The indictment, he told reporters, is a reminder that "people are not always who they appear to be"



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Unless I see  a paper trail of funds from Trump to these "Russian nationals", nothing burger.

People, foreign governments always try to influence others elections, the US actually creates and installs them.





What does this have to do with Trump or US persons? This is about Russian's interfering with the election. Stay on topic.


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Re: Special counsel Indicts 13 Russian nationals, 3 Russian entities in '16 election interference [Re: krypto2000]
    #24998965 - 02/16/18 04:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Pay no attention to uncle sam behind the curtain doing the same thing, right k2000?

Oh did they pay people to campaign for them? How dare they? And posted opinions, that is way worse than hillary giving away our uranium supplies to russia in exchange for payoffs. Right? Enjoy your nothing burger


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