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Re: duality is an illusion [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #24987448 - 02/11/18 10:18 PM (9 months, 29 days ago)

it was quite an impressive post ... :band:


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Re: duality is an illusion [Re: redgreenvines]
    #24987476 - 02/11/18 10:36 PM (9 months, 29 days ago)

i don't understand time yet other than the fact that our mind allows us to see our whole life flash before our eyes, even before we die, like right now, i can see that just moments ago i was born, time is as short as i say it is, but how that plays into time not actually moving as it appears to, im still blurry.

and with space all i can say is that it is all in one place, and according to bob sanders on youtube we all are basically standing on top of each other's shoulders, living in the same microsecond, all of us both past, present, and future, skip to 9 or 10 minutes to hear him explain time and space, and how all of this is a hologram.


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Re: duality is an illusion [Re: Deadfrancis]
    #24987480 - 02/11/18 10:38 PM (9 months, 29 days ago)

very talented


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Re: duality is an illusion [Re: redgreenvines]
    #24987567 - 02/11/18 11:14 PM (9 months, 29 days ago)

The whole notion of relativity is that we relate to something? Even to call a thing an illusion is to relate to it in that way..!


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Re: duality is an illusion [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #24988043 - 02/12/18 06:12 AM (9 months, 29 days ago)

When do you not relate to a thing?


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Re: duality is an illusion [Re: redgreenvines]
    #24989212 - 02/12/18 06:04 PM (9 months, 28 days ago)

Never.. at a basic level at least..


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Re: duality is an illusion [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #24989335 - 02/12/18 06:48 PM (9 months, 28 days ago)

you never not relate?


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Re: duality is an illusion [Re: redgreenvines]
    #24989559 - 02/12/18 08:28 PM (9 months, 28 days ago)

Well, as a social idea I can say I don't relate to this and that etc..

But there is even a positive or negative relation to anything.. just having an opinion about something is relating..


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Re: duality is an illusion [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #24990311 - 02/13/18 01:58 AM (9 months, 28 days ago)

everything relates to everything....?


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Re: duality is an illusion [Re: Deadfrancis]
    #24990447 - 02/13/18 03:25 AM (9 months, 28 days ago)

Necesarily.. But we are the judges..


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Re: duality is an illusion [Re: Deadfrancis]
    #24990905 - 02/13/18 11:40 AM (9 months, 27 days ago)

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Deadfrancis said:
everything relates to everything....?



everything sensed is subject to being associated with everything experienced in memory. (does not include completely forgotten contexts or patterns, and does not include those things never encountered)

subject to being associated, means the linkage may not form solidly if there is no repetition, if there is distraction, illness etc.


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Re: duality is an illusion [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #24991059 - 02/13/18 12:51 PM (9 months, 27 days ago)

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Necesarily.. But we are the judges..



Better not judge too much unless we know every detail, which is practically almost impossible.
This leads to misjudgment and then... you will be judged.

edit: And btw. reality is all about duality. As (for me, but I think also in general) duality condenses from existence vs non-existence, everything is influenced by it.
Don't forget, duality very fast stacks up to trinity, quatroligy and so forth, so that pure duality first has to be filtered out from this mess to recognize it at all, even if it is the fundamental force of reality.
Only because people don't get it, they think it's an illusion.


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Re: duality is an illusion [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #24991701 - 02/13/18 05:50 PM (9 months, 27 days ago)

opposites are not seperable except by definition.
found this:

Take for instance, liking. When I like quietness, I am already defining myself that I don’t like noise. I can’t help liking something without disliking another thing at the same time.


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Re: duality is an illusion [Re: Deadfrancis]
    #24991960 - 02/13/18 07:54 PM (9 months, 27 days ago)

Dead Francis you have it right!

Blue Coyote I have 2 points..

1. You can not help but judge.. thats how the world works.. thats how youll act necessarily.

2. What about the force of gravity.. what about the force of attraction.. or lure in life?


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Re: duality is an illusion [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #24993591 - 02/14/18 12:49 PM (9 months, 26 days ago)

1) I'm sorry, that's not true. As much one doesn't need to care or worry, one even doesn't need to judge.

2) what you mean ? Gravity can be there or not, depending if there is something with mass in space or not. Force of attraction ? What is the scientific term for that ? lure ???


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Re: duality is an illusion [Re: Deadfrancis]
    #24993601 - 02/14/18 12:53 PM (9 months, 26 days ago)

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Deadfrancis said:
opposites are not seperable except by definition.
found this:

Take for instance, liking. When I like quietness, I am already defining myself that I don’t like noise. I can’t help liking something without disliking another thing at the same time.



Opposites always consist of something there vs this something not there. That's the basic opposition. Then there can be something there, which makes another thing not there, that's the extended version.

Liking ? Either you like something/-one, or your don't care. That's the normal opposite. The extended version is hate.


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Re: duality is an illusion [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #24995325 - 02/15/18 01:29 AM (9 months, 26 days ago)

1) then you end up denying your emotions, which are base..

2) sure it could be called lure.. or maybe just honest curiosity..


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Re: duality is an illusion [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #24996199 - 02/15/18 12:46 PM (9 months, 25 days ago)

1) Emotions is nothing to rely on, because they can be triggered by misinterpretations. It's good to take them as a compass, but you always have to ask them back.
Would you trust a judge who judges by his emotions ? LUL

2) ?


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Re: duality is an illusion [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #24996249 - 02/15/18 01:13 PM (9 months, 25 days ago)

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1) then you end up denying your emotions, which are base..
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emotions are not base, they are complicated results of conditioned experiences, you may think they are base because they kick in like reflexes, but so do all memories.
these reflexes include physical posture, hormonal responses, predisposition to say and do specific things.
how is that base?


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Re: duality is an illusion [Re: redgreenvines]
    #24996843 - 02/15/18 06:10 PM (9 months, 25 days ago)

Well, we can learn something by practicing our emotions..

Also, i guess the question now is: what IS base..?


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