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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
    #24988452 - 02/12/18 10:09 AM (6 years, 18 days ago)

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Shroomymancer]
    #24988465 - 02/12/18 10:20 AM (6 years, 18 days ago)

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Oh ok awesome, I see what I did. Confusing grains with any spawn. Thanks.



Myc on grains can be pretty beaten down especially after a good mix with the sharp coir.
but the thin strandy BRF noodles have so large surface area that coir can´t do shit about it´s recovery. :thumbup:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
    #24988658 - 02/12/18 12:16 PM (6 years, 18 days ago)

I don't think any pictures or notes about sub depth and surface area mean anything unless you're running clones/isolates in the same fruiting conditions over and over.  My amateur opinion is that both matter to an extent, but have diminishing returns. Like, a 2 foot sub depth isn't going to yield more weight than 3" and would probably be detrimental.

I definitely don't think mixing coir into a quart of spawn and fruiting from it will yield the same as a shoebox. I wonder if it's made up in later flushes? Anybody have info/studies on if it's easier for the network to move around nutrients/water or expend energy horizontally vs. vertically?

In general, I think there's a finite amount of energy the network will have to produce mushrooms, and if you're increasing fruiting area (such as fruiting on a rack in a GH), you're just using a bigger chunk of that energy/strength on the first flush, making subsequent ones weaker. And a larger surface area will often result in more mushrooms, but smaller ones, totaling the same weight as a different surface area.

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: stareatclouds]
    #24989561 - 02/12/18 06:29 PM (6 years, 18 days ago)

How much boiling water does it take to properly hydrate 1 lb of coir?  I know there's a thread for this bit I can't find it

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Zero Nowhere]
    #24989583 - 02/12/18 06:35 PM (6 years, 18 days ago)

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How much boiling water does it take to properly hydrate 1 lb of coir?  I know there's a thread for this bit I can't find it




Look up “Bucket Tek” it will tell you
I want to say 3 but I’m not 100% sure..

Edit: I read ‘1lb’ as 1 brick, :facepalm3: disregard what I said


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Sally Hatchet]
    #24989599 - 02/12/18 06:44 PM (6 years, 18 days ago)

a gallon of water per brick

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Munchauzen]
    #24989603 - 02/12/18 06:47 PM (6 years, 18 days ago)

I'm not to great at math.  A regular brick is 650.  Mine is 455.

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Zero Nowhere]
    #24989609 - 02/12/18 06:49 PM (6 years, 18 days ago)

Use 1.5-2qts of water?:shrug:

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
    #24989611 - 02/12/18 06:50 PM (6 years, 18 days ago)

Thank you sir.  I'll start with that?

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Zero Nowhere]
    #24989621 - 02/12/18 06:53 PM (6 years, 18 days ago)

My math says 2.8 qts. :grin:

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mycolorado]
    #24989626 - 02/12/18 06:55 PM (6 years, 18 days ago)

Thanks brother

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Zero Nowhere]
    #24989680 - 02/12/18 07:17 PM (6 years, 18 days ago)

I have just one goddamn question  :cookiemonster:

Will my sub retain enough moisture in a shoebox to make it to full colonization?

Or do I need to start misting before?

Those lids are fucking loose.

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Asura]
    #24989693 - 02/12/18 07:20 PM (6 years, 18 days ago)

if it looks dry you can mist lightly, no problem :thumbup: small substrates can dry out quickly, especially with loose lids.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
    #24989700 - 02/12/18 07:23 PM (6 years, 18 days ago)

Check it on day 4-5. Mist if it needs it but do not over mist as that causes the sub to become matted and impenetrable.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JHOVA]
    #24989722 - 02/12/18 07:30 PM (6 years, 18 days ago)

It seems that no matter how deep, how hydrated or how much I try I can't get a shoebox to not have side pins if I don't use a liner... I always feel like I'm over misting and starting on the wetter side of feild cap, but even then once I get one little side pin it pushes the tub out as it grows and creates the perfect micro climate for explosive side pins.

I've read the surface conditions tek and I do my best to keep the conditions as pictured and described with no luck everytime lol. I even tried a casing layer on this last shoebox to hopefully create a microclimate at the surface with just moist verm.

Hats off to you guys who can babysit your tubs 24 hours a day, but at this moment I can't be one of them I got a day job :/

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Shrooms4life] * 1
    #24989730 - 02/12/18 07:33 PM (6 years, 18 days ago)

Shoebox in a mono works great.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JHOVA]
    #24989736 - 02/12/18 07:34 PM (6 years, 18 days ago)

Man, this my first grow in 3 years so I am a little nervous. A big part of me is thinking I should have put them in a mono. But fuck it. I want to try the "shoebox way". Anyway,
just G2G'd 7 more back up jars if the shit hits the fan. And I'll G2G the 7th jar out of
that batch until I dial it in.

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Asura]
    #24989773 - 02/12/18 07:48 PM (6 years, 18 days ago)

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Man, this my first grow in 3 years so I am a little nervous. A big part of me is thinking I should have put them in a mono. But fuck it. I want to try the "shoebox way". Anyway,
just G2G'd 7 more back up jars if the shit hits the fan. And I'll G2G the 7th jar out of
that batch until I dial it in.



Yeah lucky for me I have a good couple clones from agar into grain jars and some have been g2g also. I love shoeboxes don't get me wrong I've ran 9 of them at once now, but I think I wanna try a mini and a regular mono now Also! But I'll always be using shoeboxes to test clones or isolates!

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Asura]
    #24989787 - 02/12/18 07:51 PM (6 years, 18 days ago)

Unless you have to leave your house for weeks at a time, I can't see your shoeboxes going to shit. Just take a look and if they're dry, mist them. Mine often get dry and I just mist them heavily and leave their lid off overnight. Cube myc is resilient.

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: stareatclouds]
    #24989798 - 02/12/18 07:58 PM (6 years, 18 days ago)

You say mist heavily.  Could you describe that please?

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