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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Violet]
    #24983509 - 02/10/18 03:45 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

its not the mushrooms giving off the moisture is the part thats off, its the substrate..  the mushroom does not give off/evap/release whatever you want to call it enough water to do what you are saying.  the moisture comes from the substrate while the mushroom is still alive.  once you harvest the mushroom is when it loses its moisture content unless you let everything else dry out.  the fruitbody is the last thing to lose it moisture.  thats its nature. 

yes everything else you are saying is correct just not the source of your moisture on the sub surface.  :smirk:


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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: 13shrooms]
    #24983958 - 02/10/18 07:03 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Wait... what? What is even happening right now
I’m not saying the mushrooms are the “source” of moisture in the substrate’s surface. I’m saying the mushrooms losing moisture can prevent the substrate from losing its moisture and drying off.

Are you under the impression that mushrooms don’t emit humidity? I assure you they DO, definitely enough to do as I’m describing; with lots of tall mushroom stems filling the middle of the chamber, any air of lower ambient humidity drifting into the unlidded container is near saturation humidity well before the bottom of the jar.  Doing the grow as I described in that post above takes prolific cultures and a grower’s eye, but it works because mushrooms put off a lot of humidity from the substrate below


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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Violet]
    #24984038 - 02/10/18 07:38 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

again, the myc in the substrate when colonizing/consolidating/fruiting can generate some heat that would cause moisture to humidify the air yes..  but not the fruitbody itself  :nonono:

they hold the humidity near the substrate yes but the humidity comes from the substrate not the fruitbody.  :facepalm:

in what you are describing the humidity is 100% coming from the substrate and being held by the fruitbodies to keep the humidity near saturation at that level..  I agree.  :thumbup:


but I see this is another back and forth that you will not concede to actual science of nature but instead put your violet twist on things and spread it as your observation so its true to you.  :plur:

I bow out.  :bow:


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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: 13shrooms]
    #24984093 - 02/10/18 08:13 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Okay so you are under the impression the fruits don’t really evaporate water while growing, note taken.  I’d like to see a fact-based backing of that assertion but until I see one I’m going to continue saying what I know which is that they do, since there’s a radical and obvious difference in how likely the sub is to dry out with and without tall fruits above it, when exposed to open air.


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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Violet]
    #24984107 - 02/10/18 08:21 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Most mushrooms lose water quite readily, hence the need for high rh in the fruiting environment.  That seems pretty obvious.

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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: 13shrooms]
    #24984116 - 02/10/18 08:24 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

they cant evap water WHILE GROWING because they grow by cellular expansion which requires water INTAKE rather than cellular division which burns energy (carbs) to expand and divide..  if they lost water they wouldnt grow at all... :waits:

if they are giving off any moisture they are dying or have been picked.. 

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there’s a radical and obvious difference in how likely the sub is to dry out with and without tall fruits above it, when exposed to open air.




again I stated that b4..

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its not the mushrooms giving off the moisture is the part thats off, its the substrate..  the mushroom does not give off/evap/release whatever you want to call it enough water to do what you are saying.  the moisture comes from the substrate while the mushroom is still alive.  once you harvest the mushroom is when it loses its moisture content unless you let everything else dry out.  the fruitbody is the last thing to lose it moisture.  thats its nature. 




water is its whole survival, the fruitbody is the last to lose water so the spores can carry on..  again nature but you argue that so. 

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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Mycolorado]
    #24984125 - 02/10/18 08:28 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Most mushrooms lose water quite readily, hence the need for high rh in the fruiting environment.  That seems pretty obvious.





no, they use it to grow, it expand the cells and the fruit gets bigger.  it swells with water to grow..  if it lost water it would shrivel and you would see the growth fluctuations as it matured but instead you see growth spurts and slowing in the fruit body..  due to water intake or lake there of.. 

losing water would cause aborts, evaporation is a major pinning trigger because it triggers survival and it pushes up fruits to spore and spread its dna..  nature


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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: 13shrooms]
    #24984148 - 02/10/18 08:35 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, they have to take more water in than they lose to their environment in order to grow.  That’s why they grow in a humid environment as they will lose less of their cellular water content to humid air than to dry air.

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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Mycolorado]
    #24984205 - 02/10/18 09:01 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

yup but they dont give off enough humidity to humidify anything or we wouldnt have to do it with fruiting chambers or misting etc.. 

even in open air grows the moisture comes from misting  and the substrate.    they hold a microclimate created by the substrate evaping moisture.  its the whole point of a casing layer..  or they wouldnt be a thing, thats why the more cakes you fit in a sgfc the better it holds humidity..  thats why monotubs can be neglected..  its all in the substrate..


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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: 13shrooms]
    #24984375 - 02/10/18 10:21 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Do you ever case for this tek? Mainly asking with regards to just getting fruit from sclerotia producers... thanks for sharing your knowledge as always.

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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: blahblahblah22]
    #24985187 - 02/11/18 08:33 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

It's not as if the substrate DOESN'T do that, obviously it does.  There are no fruits to protect the substate surface from drying out when there aren't even any fruits yet. Kindof a major duh there.  That's why the enclosed fruiting chambers, that's why we often mist, etc etc etc.  That's why books like GGMM describe different conditions for "pinning" and "cropping", which is pretty much exactly what I'm describing here.  I keep my sub surface protected with lids cracked but on until pins can survive greater air flow.

What I'm saying here is that having tall pins growing in a jar can allow you to introduce a level of air exchange that would otherwise dry and flatten the surface conditions and not allow pins to form.
Once pins have already formed and are well into growing, you can introduce more air, enough that would have otherwise dried out the sub surface and stopped pins from forming, and the significant moisture loss from the growing pins HELPS PREVENT that surface drying effect from happening then as well; and I PROMISE you they don't stop growing - they'll grow right out the top of the container.

I honestly don't understand what you're arguing at here and why.  What I'm describing most definitely happens, as I'm describing it, how I'm describing it.

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Do you ever case for this tek? Mainly asking with regards to just getting fruit from sclerotia producers... thanks for sharing your knowledge as always.



I do!  Whenever I can convince myself to bother.  It often helps me bring about pinning sooner when using any straight grain/seed substrate.

I've never fruited sclerotia producers in this method.  I'm kindof trying it out currently.  My guess is having a top layer in there of some kind can help but I wonder how necessarily casing layers would be with bulk sub mixes in these humid bottles.

Let us know how it goes for you!


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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Violet]
    #24990360 - 02/13/18 12:19 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

How much of a difference would you notice in this tek between oats and grass seed? If it's a large difference, what sorts of grass seed should I look for?

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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: MooseShroom] * 1
    #24990587 - 02/13/18 04:29 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

rye grass seed :thumbup:


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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: MooseShroom] * 1
    #24990991 - 02/13/18 10:26 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I think you’d see faster fruiting and possibly better fruiting in general with grass seed but differences can be minor especially with casing layers. I find grass seed to be nicer over all for cakes and is easily consumed

Go for uncoated grass seed. I’m so far unaware of a trick to make the coated seeds at most box stores work for growing


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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Violet]
    #24999965 - 02/16/18 09:37 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Just wanted to chime in after trying out the V-tek. Just did the grass seed in the ziploc qt. containers. It worked fantastic. Much better than the pf-tek. After comparing the two teks, it makes me wonder why pf-tek is even still used, and also makes me question the credibility of anyone who recommends pf-tek still.

Also don't understand the hate Violet has gotten here for offering this great tek. Either way I can see who the big ego growers here are, and the people who are actually worth taking in information from.

Long story short, Just wanted to say thanks Violet.

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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Xerbia]
    #25002022 - 02/17/18 07:02 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

the pf tek has the ability to grow a wide variety of mushrooms and is tried and true

some teks fit peoples situations better than others

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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: thelanzii]
    #25002043 - 02/17/18 07:10 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Pf tek is cheap as hell and available everywhere. It’s also idiot proof and time tested.


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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: JHOVA]
    #25002137 - 02/17/18 07:56 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Pf-Tek is old and outdated. It's the equivalent of dial up internet.

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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Xerbia]
    #25002337 - 02/17/18 09:56 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Pf-Tek is old and outdated tested. It's the equivalent of dial up internet if it aint broke dont fix it.




another saying goes..  "to each their own."  :thumbup:
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"what works for some might not work for others."


its not an argument really, each person finds a method that works for them and uses it, it doesnt mean other ways are better or superior than another..  :wink:

they all serve a purpose in learning, if they meet your needs/goals then use it, if not then dont use it..  it should be an argument in the PODS tek thread. :smirk:

like I dont use this tek, it doesnt serve my needs to meet my goals for what I want to achieve so I use another..  ez peazy :stoner:

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Re: Invitro Grass Seed TEK – A powerful single-step grow method for beginners and beyond [Re: Xerbia]
    #25002649 - 02/18/18 02:03 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)


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Just wanted to chime in after trying out the V-tek. Just did the grass seed in the ziploc qt. containers. It worked fantastic. Much better than the pf-tek. After comparing the two teks, it makes me wonder why pf-tek is even still used, and also makes me question the credibility of anyone who recommends pf-tek still.

Also don't understand the hate Violet has gotten here for offering this great tek. Either way I can see who the big ego growers here are, and the people who are actually worth taking in information from.

Long story short, Just wanted to say thanks Violet.



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