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Re: I really dislike Trump, but... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24983645 - 02/10/18 04:52 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

So, they should have scheduled them to advantage sanders? Exactly what times are neutral? Do we have actual data showing the times and days that advantage each candidate or are you making assumptions?


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Re: I really dislike Trump, but... [Re: koods]
    #24983665 - 02/10/18 05:02 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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So, they should have scheduled them to advantage sanders?



They should have scheduled them when most people can watch them, duh.

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Do we have actual data showing the times and days that advantage each candidate or are you making assumptions?



Yes, we do.

Although we disagree, you're making a good case that release of the DNC emails didn't hurt Clinton.


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Re: I really dislike Trump, b [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24983674 - 02/10/18 05:06 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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They should have scheduled them when most people can watch them, duh.




That's not fair. You need to find neutral time slots.


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Re: I really dislike Trump, b [Re: koods]
    #24983688 - 02/10/18 05:13 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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They should have scheduled them when most people can watch them, duh.




That's not fair. You need to find neutral time slots.



Why is it not fair to allow the most people to watch?  I guess if you SUCKED as a candidate, it wouldn't be fair. :smirk:


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Re: I really dislike Trump, b [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #24983696 - 02/10/18 05:17 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I really like Trump, but I don't agree with everything he says... I mean how awesome is it that Donald Fucking Trump is President Of The United States. LOLOLOLOL


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Re: I really dislike Trump, b [Re: LRG]
    #24983704 - 02/10/18 05:19 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

You tell us.  What's he done that I should be happy about?  Tax cuts for billionaires in exchange for increased debt?  Taking healthcare away from over 10 million citizens?  What exactly?


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Re: I really dislike Trump, b [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24983713 - 02/10/18 05:22 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

He trolls black people on twitter


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Re: I really dislike Trump, b [Re: koods] * 1
    #24983863 - 02/10/18 06:15 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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You tell us.  What's he done that I should be happy about?  Tax cuts for billionaires in exchange for increased debt?  Taking healthcare away from over 10 million citizens?  What exactly?




Well let's see he didn't take away 10 million citizen's healthcare. He did however remove the mandate that fined people who could barely afford to pay their monthly bills. That was actually the only problem I had with Obamacare.

I know multiple people who received a tax cut who aren't billionares. They are very happy with the 2,000+ dollars they got back. Maybe you don't have kids of age or at home to be excited about that, but plenty of people are.

Tax cuts always increase the deficit. Would you rather he increased taxes? We all know if he had increased them he would be Hitler again. Oh no, I know, it's because he didn't increase taxes on the rich, that's the problem. Even though they pay like 50% or 60% of the taxes for the entire country. Wanna talk about crumbs? Your tax dollars are crumbs compared to the taxes billionares have to pay.


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He trolls black people on twitter




Wonderful. Black people don't deserve the internet.


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Re: I really dislike Trump, b [Re: LRG] * 1
    #24983956 - 02/10/18 07:02 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Well let's see he didn't take away 10 million citizen's healthcare. He did however remove the mandate that fined people who could barely afford to pay their monthly bills. That was actually the only problem I had with Obamacare.



But he also removed Government funded subsidies for low income Americans, which will force health insurers to jack up their rates on the middle class to make up for the lost money.  Thanks Trump.

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I know multiple people who received a tax cut who aren't billionares. They are very happy with the 2,000+ dollars they got back. Maybe you don't have kids of age or at home to be excited about that, but plenty of people are.



Getting money back doesn't mean they got a tax cut.  I just means they overpaid during the year.

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Tax cuts always increase the deficit. Would you rather he increased taxes?



You're one of the few conservatives to acknowledge this.  Yes, I'd rather he have increased taxes on billionaires than cut them.  Billionaires don't need help from the Government at everyone else's expense.

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I know, it's because he didn't increase taxes on the rich, that's the problem...  Your tax dollars are crumbs compared to the taxes billionares have to pay.



My income is crumbs compared to the money billionaires earn.


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Re: I really dislike Trump, b [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #24984007 - 02/10/18 07:25 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

You don't actually hear very many rich people complaining about how high their taxes are. The people who always seem to be fighting for the rich are the wanna be rich.


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Re: I really dislike Trump, b [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24984067 - 02/10/18 07:53 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I know multiple people who received a tax cut who aren't billionares. They are very happy with the 2,000+ dollars they got back. Maybe you don't have kids of age or at home to be excited about that, but plenty of people are.



By the way, if people got tax cuts, they need to thank Obama.  Trump's tax plan doesn't kick in until the 2018 tax year.  :smirk:


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Re: I really dislike Trump, b [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24984139 - 02/10/18 08:32 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Trumps tax cuts are half that of Obamas second tax cut, and 80% of Obama first.


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Re: I really dislike Trump, b [Re: koods]
    #24984245 - 02/10/18 09:19 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Well let's see he didn't take away 10 million citizen's healthcare. He did however remove the mandate that fined people who could barely afford to pay their monthly bills. That was actually the only problem I had with Obamacare.



But he also removed Government funded subsidies for low income Americans, which will force health insurers to jack up their rates on the middle class to make up for the lost money.  Thanks Trump.

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I know multiple people who received a tax cut who aren't billionares. They are very happy with the 2,000+ dollars they got back. Maybe you don't have kids of age or at home to be excited about that, but plenty of people are.



Getting money back doesn't mean they got a tax cut.  I just means they overpaid during the year.

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Tax cuts always increase the deficit. Would you rather he increased taxes?



You're one of the few conservatives to acknowledge this.  Yes, I'd rather he have increased taxes on billionaires than cut them.  Billionaires don't need help from the Government at everyone else's expense.

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I know, it's because he didn't increase taxes on the rich, that's the problem...  Your tax dollars are crumbs compared to the taxes billionares have to pay.



My income is crumbs compared to the money billionaires earn.




Glad he got rid of the subsidies too. Most middle class families have good plans that won't be affected by the increase, which was going to happen anyways. Obamacare was never a sustainable model for socialized healthcare. Trump just cut it's gimp legs off.

You mean the 2000 dollars they get for each child under their care? That's not overpaying, that's flat out 2000 dollars in your pocket come refund time, which is 1000 more than they received before.

I don't mind rich people and the top 1-10% getting tax cuts. Overall, it makes the economy stronger. Most of them work quite hard for their money, a lot of times much harder than you or I. I also imagine they have more money to give to charity now. I don't see any negative aspects with it.

Also, I'm not much of a conservative. I do lean right, but a "Hannity" conservative I am not.


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Trumps tax cuts are half that of Obamas second tax cut, and 80% of Obama first.




Obama can suck eggs.


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Re: I really dislike Trump, b [Re: LRG]
    #24984803 - 02/11/18 01:52 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Glad he got rid of the subsidies too. Most middle class families have good plans that won't be affected by the increase, which was going to happen anyways



How do you figure most middle class families won't be affected by the increase?  Of course they will unless you can explain who else pays for the extra costs.

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You mean the 2000 dollars they get for each child under their care? That's not overpaying, that's flat out 2000 dollars in your pocket come refund time, which is 1000 more than they received before.



You didn't say what the $2000 was for.  That won't help poor families.  As has been shown many times, only the rich make out from Trump's tax plan.

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Most of them work quite hard for their money, a lot of times much harder than you or I.



Source?  People working two jobs to pay the bills don't have it easy.

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I also imagine they have more money to give to charity now. I don't see any negative aspects with it.



The negative aspects are that the rich don't give as much to charity as the poor, so charities will lose by shifting the money.

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I don't mind rich people and the top 1-10% getting tax cuts. Overall, it makes the economy stronger.



I can't wait to hear you explain how cutting from from things such as infrastructure to pay for tax cuts for the rich helps the economy.  :popcorn:


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Re: I really dislike Trump, b [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24985085 - 02/11/18 07:05 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Glad he got rid of the subsidies too. Most middle class families have good plans that won't be affected by the increase, which was going to happen anyways



How do you figure most middle class families won't be affected by the increase?  Of course they will unless you can explain who else pays for the extra costs.

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You mean the 2000 dollars they get for each child under their care? That's not overpaying, that's flat out 2000 dollars in your pocket come refund time, which is 1000 more than they received before.



You didn't say what the $2000 was for.  That won't help poor families.  As has been shown many times, only the rich make out from Trump's tax plan.

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Most of them work quite hard for their money, a lot of times much harder than you or I.



Source?  People working two jobs to pay the bills don't have it easy.

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I also imagine they have more money to give to charity now. I don't see any negative aspects with it.



The negative aspects are that the rich don't give as much to charity as the poor, so charities will lose by shifting the money.

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I don't mind rich people and the top 1-10% getting tax cuts. Overall, it makes the economy stronger.



I can't wait to hear you explain how cutting from from things such as infrastructure to pay for tax cuts for the rich helps the economy.  :popcorn:




The poor people on those bronze and wood grain insurance plans will likely eat up most of the increase. Or they will just lose their coverage, which they couldn't have afforded in the first place.

Per your article on child tax credit "Currently, you have to make at least $3,000 a year to get the child credit." Name me a single parent working multiple jobs who makes less than 3000 dollars a year. "So that hypothetical single mom with two kids making minimum wage (or about $14,500 a year) only gets $1,725 a year ($14,500 – $3,000 = $11,500; $11,500 x 0.15 = $1,725)." - 14,500? I guess in hypothetical terms that figure is okay, but the reality is she is likely making 20k+. So 20k - 3k = 17k x .15 = 2550. Any person who makes over 20k gets the full 2000.

"For deeply poor parents, and parents with lots of children, the situation is even worse. Imagine the single mom has four kids, and to keep up with all of them, she works minimum wage but only part time, earning $7,250 a year" - Bleeding hearts of the world unite. Single mom with four kids and a single part time job? Give me a fucking break. That stuff happens in the movies not real life. That mom is likely working 2-3 jobs and has zero time for her kids, that would be the responsible thing to do.

The guy who owns Amazon, Jeff Bezos, apparently works 80+ hours a week. A lot of those high performance and demanding jobs that pay big bucks are not walks in the park. Plenty who hold those jobs get 4 hours of sleep a night or go for days without. I did not say working two jobs was easy.

Well, they're not, NOT paying for things related to infrastructure. It just won't be as much as they potentially could have. The deficit and government spending are a small piece of the economic pie. It certainly doesn't hurt an already strong economy.


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Re: I really dislike Trump, b [Re: LRG] * 1
    #24985103 - 02/11/18 07:23 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Why do we need additional deficit spending for tax cuts designed to stimulate an essentially fully stimulated economy? We're needlessly squandering revenue and the end result won't be a supercharged economy. It will be super charged inflation.

Deficit spending is a good strategy to stimulate a broken economy, not to eek out a half percentage more of GDP growth.


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    #24985119 - 02/11/18 07:35 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Instead of using the fed to control inflation, we could have INCREASED taxes to control inflation and had the  extra benefit of reducing the deficit.

These tax cuts are imbecilic and are not sound economic policy. The tax cuts are just an attempt by the GOP to buy votes in the 2018 elections.


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Re: I really dislike Trump, b [Re: koods]
    #24985389 - 02/11/18 10:32 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Instead of using the fed to control inflation, we could have INCREASED taxes to control inflation and had the  extra benefit of reducing the deficit.

These tax cuts are imbecilic and are not sound economic policy. The tax cuts are just an attempt by the GOP to buy votes in the 2018 elections.




Globalization, currency manipulation, immigration and technology gains have created massive wealth inequality, that has controlled inflation. 

The Trump tax cuts are only going to make it worse, now here comes the big cuts for entitlements.

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Re: I really dislike Trump, b [Re: qman]
    #24985398 - 02/11/18 10:36 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

The tax cuts are going to make things better, what are you talking about? Giant corps are already repatriating their offshore cash to the tune of billions. It should have been done ages ago.


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Re: I really dislike Trump, b [Re: Stonehenge] * 2
    #24985563 - 02/11/18 11:50 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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The tax cuts are going to make things better, what are you talking about? Giant corps are already repatriating their offshore cash to the tune of billions. It should have been done ages ago.




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