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bradburydoom said:
Sorry to ask a potentially obvious question, what's your fruiting method for the mini tubs? Are you removing the tape covering the holes and misting and fanning?(50/50)?

Thanks for your hard work!

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You can remove the tape or you can leave it be, you can stuff with poly or not. It´s all up to you. No matter how you do it the substrate will still have enough FAE. You can also dub tub by placing another tub on top and creating a dome. You can fruit by simply flipping the lid upside down on an unmodified tub as well. All of these methods I´ve mentioned are for controlling how fast or slow the evaporation off the substrate occurs. As I said, no matter what option you go for you will have plenty of FAE for your substrate. Only time you mist is when you think the substrate is drying out, never mist on a fixed schedule. It´s like drinking water, you drink when you´re thirsty or when you think you really need it

NO FANNING! This is not needed for the home cultivator no matter what FC you use. This is outdated info.

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Also, you mentioned ratios, are you doing 1:2 of grated BRF cake:coir/verm(50/50)?

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Yes you can do that ratio or 1:1.

Just to be clear, it´s not actually 1:2 ratio if you spawn 4 BRF cakes to 2L coir, even if 4 grated 1/2 pint BRF cakes will have a volume of appr 2qt. One BRF cake has about 50ml of BRF and 200ml of vermiculite. 4 cakes have 200ml BRF and 800ml vermiculite. So technically you have ~200ml BRF and ~2800ml bulk substrate so that would technically make it a ratio of 1:14 nutrients/bulk substrate. And when you add to that the 3 day full colonization of bulk substrates then you start to start to appreciate the high success rate and the low contam rate with this method

Hope that helps, good luck.

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Mateah said:
You can remove the tape or you can leave it be, you can stuff with poly or not. It´s all up to you. No matter how you do it the substrate will still have enough FAE. You can also dub tub by placing another tub on top and creating a dome. You can fruit by simply flipping the lid upside down on an unmodified tub as well. All of these methods I´ve mentioned are for controlling how fast or slow the evaporation off the substrate occurs. As I said, no matter what option you go for you will have plenty of FAE for your substrate. Only time you mist is when you think the substrate is drying out, never mist on a fixed schedule. It´s like drinking water, you drink when you´re thirsty or when you think you really need it

NO FANNING! This is not needed for the home cultivator no matter what FC you use. This is outdated info.

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Mateah said:
Just to be clear, it´s not actually 1:2 ratio if you spawn 4 BRF cakes to 2L coir, even if 4 grated 1/2 pint BRF cakes will have a volume of appr 2qt. One BRF cake has about 50ml of BRF and 200ml of vermiculite. 4 cakes have 200ml BRF and 800ml vermiculite. So technically you have ~200ml BRF and ~2800ml bulk substrate so that would technically make it a ratio of 1:14 nutrients/bulk substrate. And when you add to that the 3 day full colonization of bulk substrates then you start to start to appreciate the high success rate and the low contam rate with this method

Hope that helps, good luck.

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Mateah said:
no verm barrier on top of course.

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before they dunk their cakes

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Mateah said:
I´m just happy that so many new and experienced growers have had success with this method and that more and more are trying this out.
This thread has began to take off a bit and that´s good, if we keep it active more new growers will hopefully get a chance to check it out before they dunk their cakes and place them inside the SGFC. I hope I don´t come off as I´m shitting on the SGFC I´m not, I´ve made it very clear from the beginning that it´s design is not ideal for small substrates+new growers, but when you know what you´re doing you can make it work. But if you know what you´re doing you´re probably not fruiting in a SGFC anyway so.. Maybe I am shitting a bit on the SGFC after all


I have 8 jars about 50% colonized that I inoculated with
an agar wedge on top of the substrate, no verm barrier on top of course.



Notice how myc is growing straight down from the inoculation point and in every direction.
This is how you know that the inside of a BRF cake is fully colonized when the outside perimeter of the cakes is fully covered in myc.

I was gonna use these cakes for slurry inoculation later, these are clones I´m testing out.
Also I keep the jars in a sanitized tub and the jars go straight from the PC to the SAB,
and then straight inside the sanitized tub and the tub is not opened until I intend to use the jars as slurry.
But now I kind of want to make one BRF tub as well just for the heck of it

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Mateah said:
I´m just happy that so many new and experienced growers have had success with this method and that more and more are trying this out.
This thread has began to take off a bit and that´s good, if we keep it active more new growers will hopefully get a chance to check it out before they dunk their cakes and place them inside the SGFC. I hope I don´t come off as I´m shitting on the SGFC I´m not, I´ve made it very clear from the beginning that it´s design is not ideal for small substrates+new growers, but when you know what you´re doing you can make it work. But if you know what you´re doing you´re probably not fruiting in a SGFC anyway so.. Maybe I am shitting a bit on the SGFC after all


I have 8 jars about 50% colonized that I inoculated with
an agar wedge on top of the substrate, no verm barrier on top of course.



Notice how myc is growing straight down from the inoculation point and in every direction.
This is how you know that the inside of a BRF cake is fully colonized when the outside perimeter of the cakes is fully covered in myc.

I was gonna use these cakes for slurry inoculation later, these are clones I´m testing out.
Also I keep the jars in a sanitized tub and the jars go straight from the PC to the SAB,
and then straight inside the sanitized tub and the tub is not opened until I intend to use the jars as slurry.
But now I kind of want to make one BRF tub as well just for the heck of it

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Mateah said:
before they dunk their cakes

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Are you guys not dunking before grating your cakes? Apologies if that's a naive question.

Thanks man!

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mushroomnate said:
I really want to play around with clones,but I just don't have the supplies I need for that at this time.

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JHOVA said:
You can take clones in a sab and blend it in a 1/2 pint tall jar using an oster blender. It only works going straight to brf cakes not to grain jars.

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Mateah said:
All you really need is BRF cakes and a SAB.
You keep the jar closed until it starts to pin, and then
just open the jars up inside the SAB and transfer the pin onto
new BRF substrates, just like I did without the top verm layer.

These types of clones are called invitro clones since they come from an environment free from contaminants.
If you let an agar plate pin you will also have 100% clean tissue clone, or from a pinning WBS jar as well.

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PC not needed?Time for some research. Thanks!

Just a fun brf to bulk(?) grow.

Used the zip-loc FC.

I think that grain is the only thing that needs a thorough PC cycle
I could be wrong tho but can´t think of anything else right now.

You don´t need a PC to sterilize LC or agar media, you can do all the SAB work that those with a PC can do.
Except you can´t do grain to grain of course.

Technically you could steam sterilize grain but it´s gonna take half a day
and even then you won´t be sure that it´s properly sterilized.

But in terms of working with cloning and isolating 100% clean cultures you don´t really need a PC at all.
But a PC is still a PC and it gets ALL the jobs done, even grain

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That would be a mini bulk substrate