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 The Ecstatic
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 Re: This is what antifascism looks like.  [Re: qman] 2
#25375501 - 08/08/18 05:07 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is the sky blue? Who can say? There are literally so many colors its impossible to selectively address it.
http://abc7chicago.com/66-shot-12-fatally-in-chicago-weekend-shootings/3892234/
Must address a violent ideology against non-whites with preemptive violence.
Where's Antifa when you need them? 
Are you claiming gang violence is fascism?
Or have you unilaterally broadened antifa's modus operandi to attacking anyone who may commit violence in the future? After whining for years about that tactic being inherently wrong?
If you gave a shit about black people beyond Candace Owens I might take you seriously. Alas, here we are.
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: The Ecstatic] 2
#25375553 - 08/08/18 05:39 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just a reminder
And this is missing a bunch of right wing killings since.
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#25376505 - 08/09/18 05:47 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quit calling yourself an anarchist. You're not.
Alright, I'm curious - which of my stated positions do you consider to be incompatible with anarchism?
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#25376735 - 08/09/18 08:32 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
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The Ecstatic said:
Is the sky blue? Who can say? There are literally so many colors its impossible to selectively address it.
http://abc7chicago.com/66-shot-12-fatally-in-chicago-weekend-shootings/3892234/
Must address a violent ideology against non-whites with preemptive violence.
Where's Antifa when you need them?
Are you claiming gang violence is fascism?
Or have you unilaterally broadened antifa's modus operandi to attacking anyone who may commit violence in the future? After whining for years about that tactic being inherently wrong?
If you gave a shit about black people beyond Candace Owens I might take you seriously. Alas, here we are.
Wow, you got triggered! I mean Antifa has very strict rules as they approach "fascist" violence against minorities. What amazing "discipline" they have been displaying to help all of those people. 
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#25376778 - 08/09/18 08:58 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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What strict rules? Antifa isnt even an organization.
Maybe if you read anything that shiva has posted here you could form a coherent argument instead of just telling everyone theyre triggered when they point out your ignorance on the matter.
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#25376842 - 08/09/18 09:31 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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All of them. You're a communist. You just don't want to own up to the label.
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#25376870 - 08/09/18 09:45 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Can you provide a single example of me supporting a position that runs contrary to anarchist principles?
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: lowbrow]
#25376954 - 08/09/18 10:10 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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The society we live in, for example, currently considers pedophilia to be something that provides no redeeming value that compensates for the inherent violence of pedophilia. Look at the history of how groups such as NAMBLA have been treated by the public, when they try to publicly organize and recruit. Does anyone here want to take pedophiles as their next free speech champions, once they're done with fascists? The slippery-slope is a fallacy - as a society, we are capable of not tolerating extreme views that provide no redeeming value to society, without plunging into totalitarian censorship of everything.
As far as i know, antifa supports pedophiles.
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#25376977 - 08/09/18 10:17 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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You feel fascism is dangerous and warrants violent/militant tactics to keep it at bay. Are there any other political ideologies that you feel warrant such measures?
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: MagicMush123]
#25377015 - 08/09/18 10:37 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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As far as i know, antifa supports pedophiles.
You would be wrong. Where did you hear that?
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You feel fascism is dangerous and warrants violent/militant tactics to keep it at bay. Are there any other political ideologies that you feel warrant such measures?
I embrace a diversity of tactics, so militancy is always on the table.
I feel that the single largest threat to global life is human driven environmental degradation and destruction - as such, I believe that militant defence of ecosystems is warranted. This isn't necessarily limited to a specific ideology though.
I don't think any political ideology (not even fascism) needs to be immediately or only met with violence. Not being a pacifist doesn't mean I limit myself to only violent acts, it means that I don't limit myself to only non-violent acts.
Are there any political ideologies I would immediately and unconditionally engage in violent resistance against? No, none of them. Are there any political ideologies I could envision escalating to the point of violent resistance? Yes, probably all of them.
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: shivas.wisdom] 1
#25377046 - 08/09/18 10:50 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Can you provide a single example of me supporting a position that runs contrary to anarchist principles?
You're a member of a communist organization. I'd say that would be one.
You try to shut down free speech. Except your own.(still communist).
You're involved in politics( not an anarchist).
As far as i can tell you've done nothing for the cause of anarchy, but plenty for communism.
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#25377084 - 08/09/18 11:09 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fair enough, i feel the environment needs to be protected at all costs as well. People forget that we actually live in the environment.
So what was the tipping point for fascism needing violent or militant tactics? As you described, its a form of self defense, and you said fascism itself doesn't need immediate defense. So what was it?
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: MagicMush123]
#25377218 - 08/09/18 12:16 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Historical knowledge of fascism and antifascism.
Fascism is built around an ultra-nationalist authoritarian state. This includes the foundation of a scapegoat "other". At worst, this leads to racial or religious supremacy (think kkk or isis); at best, severe political repression.
I never said fascism doesn't need immediate defence/resistance (because it does), I said that this defence/resistance doesn't necessarily need to start violently. A punch to the face should not be the only tool in an antifascists toolkit. I know one fascist who had a change of heart once he was featured in a local newspapers article about white supremacist posters going up around town. The majority of antifascism is nonviolent action - community building and intelligence gathering - this just doesn't make news like a good street brawl.
But, once again looking at history, fascism is associated with street violence - even in the very early stages. Police forces, also historically, have a tendency to side with fascist elements instead of those affected by fascist violence. It is naive to ignore this, and so preparing to respond to fascist violence should be considered a necessary reality of antifascism. Even non-violent antifascists can expect a violent response, and you cannot rely on the police for protection.
Usually an attack on a community is enough to warrant a stronger militant response. This reality is probably partially responsible for antifascism being more predominant in marginalized communities. Fascist attacks happen with some regularity, and any number could be considered as the tipping point.
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#25377309 - 08/09/18 01:08 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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As far as i know, antifa supports pedophiles.
You would be wrong. Where did you hear that?
It's been general knowledge for a while.
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: lowbrow] 2
#25377371 - 08/09/18 02:01 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: ballsalsa]
#25377528 - 08/09/18 03:15 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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that sign was allegedly a hoax
The daily beast is not a trustable source.
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#25377550 - 08/09/18 03:26 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: ballsalsa]
#25378319 - 08/09/18 09:15 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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This guy says he took the photo
If that's true, where's the picture of it getting torn up?
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#25378330 - 08/09/18 09:22 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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so you're saying the guy is a liar? if that's true, where is the real photographer to call him out?
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: ballsalsa]
#25378354 - 08/09/18 09:31 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Clearly lowbrow's intution is more reputable than the photographer or a mainstream media outlet.
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