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 Re: This is what antifascism looks like.  [Re: Tipote]
#25272500 - 06/16/18 03:26 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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check out this antifascist scum, daughter of a "holocaust" (as Bubbles puts it) survivor. Maaan what is her problem. Why can't she accept people with different views
 
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Woman_Hitting_a_Neo-Nazi_With_Her_Handbag
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: Tipote]
#25272508 - 06/16/18 03:30 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree with you. Violence is not the way to combat an ideology. This woman did the wrong thing.
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: Enlil] 1
#25272580 - 06/16/18 03:55 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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As soon as you use violence to spread your message, you have immediately lost all credibility and can only be categorized as an extremist
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: MagicMush123]
#25272594 - 06/16/18 04:02 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't agree with that.
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: MagicMush123] 2
#25272596 - 06/16/18 04:03 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you tolerate intolerance, what does that give you?
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As soon as you use violence to spread your message, you have immediately lost all credibility and can only be categorized as an extremist
Define violence. The state and society is violent against oppressed communities. Are you admitting that the state is extremist?
Violence in self defense is legitimate. Violence against Nazis is legitimate. This faux-symmetry of "violence on both sides" only distorts the issue and ignores all structural violence.
And as some of us have tried to point out, violence is one of MANY tools that antifascists can use but you condemn them regardless.
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#25272600 - 06/16/18 04:04 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Violence against Nazis is legitimate.
How can you defend this statement?
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: Tipote]
#25272603 - 06/16/18 04:06 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Tipote said:
If you tolerate intolerance, what does that give you?
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MagicMush123 said:
As soon as you use violence to spread your message, you have immediately lost all credibility and can only be categorized as an extremist
Define violence. The state and society is violent against oppressed communities. Are you admitting that the state is extremist?
Violence in self defense is legitimate. Violence against Nazis is legitimate. This faux-symmetry of "violence on both sides" only distorts the issue and ignores all structural violence.
And as some of us have tried to point out, violence is one of MANY tools that antifascists can use but you condemn them regardless.
The state isn't inherently violent agianst opposed communities
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: Enlil]
#25272608 - 06/16/18 04:08 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't agree with that.
With what exactly? That all groups that use violence to further their cause arw extremists, or that as soon as violence is implemented they are immediately discredited?
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: MagicMush123]
#25272610 - 06/16/18 04:09 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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The former.
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: Enlil]
#25272631 - 06/16/18 04:15 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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You don't violence or intimidation weakens or discredits their cause? When you use violence to force your message, you become as bad as your oppressors
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: MagicMush123]
#25272633 - 06/16/18 04:15 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you not understand the word "former?"
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: Enlil]
#25272644 - 06/16/18 04:20 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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... ok, then can you explain
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: MagicMush123]
#25272645 - 06/16/18 04:21 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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There are plenty of people who use violence to further their cause who wouldn't be considered extremists.
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: Enlil]
#25272650 - 06/16/18 04:22 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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But using violence is an extreme tactic right?
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: Enlil]
#25272652 - 06/16/18 04:23 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Namely: other groups whose violence against nazis is widely declared legitimate.
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#25272659 - 06/16/18 04:25 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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But using violence is an extreme tactic right?
Depends on how you define violence.
When Congress imposes sanctions on Iraq that kills 500k children, thats not violence, thats America playing hardball.
When a protestor punches a white supremacist, suddenly we have to worry about what example we're setting.
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#25272662 - 06/16/18 04:27 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Namely: other groups whose violence against nazis is widely declared legitimate.
Not by anyone applying rational thought.
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#25272670 - 06/16/18 04:29 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Namely: other groups whose violence against nazis is widely declared legitimate.
Not by anyone applying rational thought.
Totally. The Soviets, French, British, and US should have defeated the Third Reich by using facts and logic, not violence.
As we know, history isnt won by force, its won with rationale.
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#25272671 - 06/16/18 04:29 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dude, that was during the time of war...
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Re: This is what antifascism looks like. [Re: MagicMush123]
#25272676 - 06/16/18 04:31 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dude, that was during the time of war...
Yeah but when the Allies fought back after Germany annexed Poland they proved themselves to be violent, and therefore just as bad as the Nazis.
See how logical this logic is?
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