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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: SnakeEyes212]
    #28409791 - 07/27/23 01:59 AM (5 months, 30 days ago)

Is it common with BRF to bulk to start pinning while the substrate isn't completely colonized ?

My shoebox looks like its not even 50% and there is already one pin sticking out !



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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: enscred1312]
    #28410041 - 07/27/23 08:56 AM (5 months, 29 days ago)

Looks fine to me.  Assuming you added a casing layer? 

I used to add a casing layer but after doing a bunch I decided it's not worth the time.  Also picking & cleaning the fruits is easier.


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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: Good for Health]
    #28410130 - 07/27/23 09:55 AM (5 months, 29 days ago)

If by casing layer you mean a top layer of substrate added when I spawned to bulk, yes. If you mean a layer added later, no.


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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: enscred1312]
    #28418959 - 08/03/23 03:56 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

After great successes with PF Tek over the last year, tomorrow will be my first attempt at setting up BRF to bulk using Shoebox Tek and I'm super excited to try it out.

However, I do have one question regarding the prep. It might be a stupid question, but I'd rather be certain about it regardless:

If the coir is at a good field capacity, will I still need to submerge the birthed cakes into water for several hours before grating them, or do they just get a simple rinse off / short dunk before grating?

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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: Witty]
    #28419017 - 08/03/23 04:33 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

No need to dunk cakes going to bulk. Just rinse off the dry verm layer. If it did it’s job it may have contams in it.


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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: RoscoeReturns]
    #28419298 - 08/03/23 07:41 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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No need to dunk cakes going to bulk. Just rinse off the dry verm layer. If it did it’s job it may have contams in it.




Thank you for the quick reply. I strongly assumed that an extended submerging wouldn't be necessary, but I also didn't want to make an assumption with such an important step. I haven't noticed even a single sign of contamination in any of my jars, of which I've got nearly a dozen BRFs either colonized or very close to it...so hopefully that will hold.

(As an aside, I'm also running a number of grain spawn jars/bags (5 jars of WBS, and two bags of rye), but those won't be finished for a couple weeks or so. Since putting grain spawn to bulk is something new to me - I've literally only ever done PF-Tek grows to this point (though very successfully) - and since I've got so many extra BRF jars going with no visible contam in any of them, I figured going BRF-to-bulk-in-a-shoebox with a few of them might be a good way to get my feet wet ahead of doing the same with grains later this month. But I guess we'll see soon enough haha)


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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: Witty]
    #28419316 - 08/03/23 07:47 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

By the way, i would suggest burying cakes whole if youre gonna do shoeboxes. Breaking BRF cake up can help any bacteria within the cake to proliferate. Cakes are made to stay whole :smile:, keeping them whole yields the same from my experience.

If you wanted to practice making shoeboxes then thats a different story. Good luck!


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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: Pandaskis]
    #28419426 - 08/03/23 08:29 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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By the way, i would suggest burying cakes whole if youre gonna do shoeboxes. Breaking BRF cake up can help any bacteria within the cake to proliferate. Cakes are made to stay whole :smile:, keeping them whole yields the same from my experience.

If you wanted to practice making shoeboxes then thats a different story. Good luck!




Interesting, regarding burying them whole - that's an interesting take, although I thought this thread was about shredding a cake to put to a sub? Are you not a fan of that approach? Regarding burying them - what about cutting each cake in half, down the middle? Seems like it would be a good compromise between creating more area for mushrooms to grow, and not exposing it to too much contam?


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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: Witty]
    #28419470 - 08/03/23 08:48 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

Ive done that before too with success. Im not a fan of shredding the cakes. People are obviously getting success from it, but if you think about what the benefits of BRF cakes are, which is that its bacteria resistant due to the vermiculites structure,  it doesnt make sense to break it up. Its essentially like spawning bacterial grain spawn, it can be done, but its a dice roll


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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: Pandaskis]
    #28419553 - 08/03/23 09:10 PM (5 months, 22 days ago)

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Ive done that before too with success. Im not a fan of shredding the cakes. People are obviously getting success from it, but if you think about what the benefits of BRF cakes are, which is that its bacteria resistant due to the vermiculites structure,  it doesnt make sense to break it up. Its essentially like spawning bacterial grain spawn, it can be done, but its a dice roll




That makes sense. Thanks for your insight! I'll have to use the next day to consider my course of action, then, for sure.


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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: mushroomnate] * 1
    #28445461 - 08/24/23 06:12 PM (5 months, 1 day ago)

I finally did it! 3 half pints shredded to 3 quarts cvg. Mixed and lightly compressed, with a 1.5 quart cvg top layer, lightly compressed into a 6 quart shoebox. Then heavy misted with a fine mister.



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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: mushroomnate]
    #28495696 - 10/07/23 05:41 PM (3 months, 19 days ago)

Nice thread about PF to bulk, tnx for the info and favoriting.


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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: spino556] * 1
    #28495716 - 10/07/23 06:08 PM (3 months, 19 days ago)

I stretched mine out 1:6 p9 style, and it was bacterial trash, so I buried it in my backyard. I’m just gonna do cakes till I get a few grows completed then come back to this.

I was actually warned against shredding them because of hidden contamination in the middle of the cakes. I was given advice to keep them whole if I was gonna try to spawn to bulk. I didn’t listen… I don’t think it helped either that I stretched it so far instead of keeping it at 1:1 or 1:2. Maybe I should have let them consolidate as well… idk but I’m just doing cakes this next run and the next run.


Edited by SnakeEyes212 (10/07/23 06:44 PM)


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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: SnakeEyes212]
    #28503906 - 10/14/23 12:21 AM (3 months, 13 days ago)

super cool tek i will be trying this soon.

so no dunk is required before spawn? will it hurt?


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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: wavvy]
    #28511850 - 10/20/23 01:55 PM (3 months, 6 days ago)

This was my first attempt at trying this tek and the following are some photos and notes that I took along the way, throughout various points of the process.


~From Jar to Bag:









^ 5 half-pint jars of fully colonized BRF cakes inoculated with a John Allen-variety of MSS were birthed and then manually cut up into tiny slices using a sharp kitchen knife, and then subsequently crumbled into even amaller pieces by hand. These crumbled bits were then tossed directly into a 2.5 gallon ziplock freezer bag, along with coir at a roughly 1.6:1 coir-to-sub ratio.

To my surprise, the mycelium recovered rather quickly, and so it wasn't long before the bag was fully colonized and then erupting with knots and pins, with a density not far removed from what that which I'd expect from a normal grain-to-bulk grow. The block had also become rock hard, like a brick that could seriously wound someone if launched at someone's face.


~From Bag to Bin:












^ At this point, I decided to move the grow out the bag and into a 12 qt bin. Since the material was brick-like at this point, I decided to keep it as is. Having carefully cut away the bag, the fruiting block was set atop a makeshift tray consisting of a trivet and a couple of mason jar rings, which were, in turn, placed atop a bed of damp perlite. I was immediately struck by how saturated the block was with pins. Although these pins naturally favored the top surface area (with a saturation of around 96-99% saturation), the sides, no longer constrained by the bag, weren't altogether barren, and quite a few fruits would be collected from there as well.


~Fistfuls of Fruits:




^ Unfortunately, I was so excited about the success of this particular harvest that I forgot to take pics of the fully matured fruiting block at its absolute peak. If I had taken a snapshot of it, though, it would be like what the above pics show, but even fuller, with wider caps, and looking closer to a capopy. Regardless, 'twas a beautiful sight to behold.

Final Wet Weight from 1st Flush: 182 g (36.4 g per jar)


~Start of the Second Flush:






^ At the end of the first flush, all fruits were harvested. Rather than dunking it, the block was heavily soaked with a fine mist and then internally injected with water across different points using a syringe. After this, a very small quantity of coir was placed on the top of the surface area to create a pseudo-casing layer. As of today - just 3 days after removing all fruits and aborts from the first flush - the second flush appears to already be in full swing :laugh:


~Conclusions:


I wasn't sure what to expect with my first go at BRF2Bulk - in fact, I nearly didn't even bother, as I grew concerned about whether the risk would be worth the reward - but, I'm super glad that I decided to forge ahead with it anyway, because, well, I think the speak for themselves. Although I'm sure that I could get even larger yields than what I've gotten so far, even with just one flush completed, that yield has already exceeded the per-jar-average that I've typically gotten from the standard PF-Tek method.

As for the remainder of this grow: once the 2nd flush is in the books, I'll come back and report on it and give my final thoughts on how it all turned out. I'm sorry if this post is a lot to read - I can be a bit pedantic and verbose, at times - but, I was just so satisfied with the results, I felt eager to really spell out why I liked this method, and to perhaps encourage other PF-Tek'ers to give it a try as well :smile:


Edited by Witty (10/20/23 04:43 PM)


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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: Witty]
    #28512062 - 10/20/23 04:10 PM (3 months, 6 days ago)

Nice. Congratulations. How many intact cakes have you grown?
I’m succinct.


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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: The Tao]
    #28512127 - 10/20/23 04:58 PM (3 months, 6 days ago)

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Nice. Congratulations. How many intact cakes have you grown?
I’m succinct.




Indeed, you are - and thanks! If I'm understanding the question correctly, I've never actually grown large intact brick cakes out of a bag before - that wasn't even my plan for this one. To be honest, I improvised a lot during this particular grow - I basically tried to follow my intuition about certain things, instead of - as usual, for me - getting bogged down in every fine detail of various mycological guides.

But, yean - over the last year or two since I started growing - I've successfully grown several normie PF-Tek BRF Cakes + two WBS grain-to-bulk tub grows to moderate success. This was the first time I've tried BRF2Bulk, though, and it was definitely also the first time I've worked with a fully intact cake.


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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: Witty]
    #28512283 - 10/20/23 07:31 PM (3 months, 6 days ago)

I was asking about intact dunked and rolled half pint cakes and what yields you’d been getting off them, wet and dry.


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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: Witty] * 1
    #28512302 - 10/20/23 08:04 PM (3 months, 6 days ago)

Quote:

Witty said:
This was my first attempt at trying this tek and the following are some photos and notes that I took along the way, throughout various points of the process.


~From Jar to Bag:









^ 5 half-pint jars of fully colonized BRF cakes inoculated with a John Allen-variety of MSS were birthed and then manually cut up into tiny slices using a sharp kitchen knife, and then subsequently crumbled into even amaller pieces by hand. These crumbled bits were then tossed directly into a 2.5 gallon ziplock freezer bag, along with coir at a roughly 1.6:1 coir-to-sub ratio.

To my surprise, the mycelium recovered rather quickly, and so it wasn't long before the bag was fully colonized and then erupting with knots and pins, with a density not far removed from what that which I'd expect from a normal grain-to-bulk grow. The block had also become rock hard, like a brick that could seriously wound someone if launched at someone's face.


~From Bag to Bin:












^ At this point, I decided to move the grow out the bag and into a 12 qt bin. Since the material was brick-like at this point, I decided to keep it as is. Having carefully cut away the bag, the fruiting block was set atop a makeshift tray consisting of a trivet and a couple of mason jar rings, which were, in turn, placed atop a bed of damp perlite. I was immediately struck by how saturated the block was with pins. Although these pins naturally favored the top surface area (with a saturation of around 96-99% saturation), the sides, no longer constrained by the bag, weren't altogether barren, and quite a few fruits would be collected from there as well.


~Fistfuls of Fruits:




^ Unfortunately, I was so excited about the success of this particular harvest that I forgot to take pics of the fully matured fruiting block at its absolute peak. If I had taken a snapshot of it, though, it would be like what the above pics show, but even fuller, with wider caps, and looking closer to a capopy. Regardless, 'twas a beautiful sight to behold.

Final Wet Weight from 1st Flush: 182 g (36.4 g per jar)


~Start of the Second Flush:






^ At the end of the first flush, all fruits were harvested. Rather than dunking it, the block was heavily soaked with a fine mist and then internally injected with water across different points using a syringe. After this, a very small quantity of coir was placed on the top of the surface area to create a pseudo-casing layer. As of today - just 3 days after removing all fruits and aborts from the first flush - the second flush appears to already be in full swing :laugh:


~Conclusions:


I wasn't sure what to expect with my first go at BRF2Bulk - in fact, I nearly didn't even bother, as I grew concerned about whether the risk would be worth the reward - but, I'm super glad that I decided to forge ahead with it anyway, because, well, I think the speak for themselves. Although I'm sure that I could get even larger yields than what I've gotten so far, even with just one flush completed, that yield has already exceeded the per-jar-average that I've typically gotten from the standard PF-Tek method.

As for the remainder of this grow: once the 2nd flush is in the books, I'll come back and report on it and give my final thoughts on how it all turned out. I'm sorry if this post is a lot to read - I can be a bit pedantic and verbose, at times - but, I was just so satisfied with the results, I felt eager to really spell out why I liked this method, and to perhaps encourage other PF-Tek'ers to give it a try as well :smile:




Awesome!!! I might throw a few jars into bulk as well after seeing this! nice job


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