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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: Fun_Guy5387]
    #27518951 - 10/26/21 02:09 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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OK, so I just finished my first shoebox





Got enough coir left?

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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: PBJ710]
    #27519360 - 10/26/21 07:59 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Excellent, just what I am doing...thanks!

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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: Fun_Guy5387]
    #27519363 - 10/26/21 08:01 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Did 2 boxes and yes, have a bunch of coir left. How long will it last? I have a few cakes that are consolidating.

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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: Fun_Guy5387]
    #27541678 - 11/13/21 11:07 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Should coir be sterilized prior mixing it with colonized brf jars?

https://www.biobizz.com/producto/cocomix/

Is this good instead of using coir bars?

Could coir be mixed in already to brf jars before sterilization? And then just shredding it all together?

Edited by Rush56 (11/13/21 11:32 AM)

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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: mushroomnate]
    #27747592 - 04/23/22 02:25 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

This will be my 1st cultivation ever and the method I chose is brf to bulk bc I got so much feedback on how the yield is better.

My cakes are almost 100% but people in the charts and forums keep trying to tell me to grow off the cake bc it's easier but I found so much encouraging success stories in this thread I'm so grateful its here.

Now here is my main question.

Should I add vermiculite into the substrata mix with spawn or just add a layer either to the top or bottom?

And do I have a better chance of sucess if I slice and layer my spawn or grate it?

Lastly when its fully recolonized in the bulk can I make a makeshift top out of say a wall filter and a trash bag with holes poked in it or would this not be enough FAE and I should stick with the upside down lid  (using unmodified tub tek) ?

I only ask here bc I haven't seen anyone touch on lid coverings during fruiting in here. Thanks again

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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: MadameJanex93]
    #27750536 - 04/25/22 11:13 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Real close to finishing up my first grow & pretty much followed these TEK's on my shoeboxes with good success. I also grated my cakes like mushroomnate, 3 pint cakes to each box. Shoeboxes by design allow for plenty of FAE, even with the top on. Get your substrate conditions right & they're pretty much set & forget. As a newbie I couldn't keep myself from fiddling with them and taking the top off so I did have to give them a lite misting a couple of times.

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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: The Holy Reality]
    #27884329 - 07/31/22 04:43 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Are these too bacterial to grate into a shoebox with coir?
I need to move them immediately to water tub or shoebox please respond lol




.The 2nd one hasnt made progress colonizing that spot in a week..

.Seems the verm layer failed a bit in the third one, took extra long to colonize that side.

. fourth one (not in the photo)looks great but just noticed a pin

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Re: BRF to bulk/cakes as spawn [Re: Solil8quy]
    #27908583 - 08/18/22 05:56 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Welp! So, I’ve inoculated my first BRF jars, it’s been two days and all I can think about is all the mistakes I made 🤦🏾♀️ Fingers crossed but if things don’t go as planned, I can point to at least six critical errors I made. Maybe my list will help other noobs.
1.  I forgot to shake my second spore syringe.
2. I only used 1 inoculation point on my pint sized jars.
3.  The first few jars I didn’t make sure I inoculated past the verm layer.
4.  My lids loosened (unknowingly) in the instant pot and I didn’t tighten them as soon as I got them out.
5.  My first batch of brf mix was too wet, so two jars are super clumpy- just asking for contamination.
6.  Well…not sure, but I’m sure I did something else wrong…

First time, definitely not the last- I was super sterile otherwise, so we shall see 🙃

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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: Solil8quy]
    #27908589 - 08/18/22 06:00 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

How did it go? I don’t even have colonized jars yet, so they looked great to me! Lol

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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: Solil8quy]
    #27908590 - 08/18/22 06:01 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Are these too bacterial to grate into a shoebox with coir?
I need to move them immediately to water tub or shoebox please respond lol




.The 2nd one hasnt made progress colonizing that spot in a week..

.Seems the verm layer failed a bit in the third one, took extra long to colonize that side.

. fourth one (not in the photo)looks great but just noticed a pin





How did it go? I don’t even have colonized jars yet, so they looked great to me! Lol

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Re: BRF to bulk/cakes as spawn [Re: domi_versaix]
    #27908598 - 08/18/22 06:11 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Welp! So, I’ve inoculated my first BRF jars, it’s been two days and all I can think about is all the mistakes I made 🤦🏾♀️ Fingers crossed but if things don’t go as planned, I can point to at least six critical errors I made. Maybe my list will help other noobs.
1.  I forgot to shake my second spore syringe.
2. I only used 1 inoculation point on my pint sized jars.
3.  The first few jars I didn’t make sure I inoculated past the verm layer.
4.  My lids loosened (unknowingly) in the instant pot and I didn’t tighten them as soon as I got them out.
5.  My first batch of brf mix was too wet, so two jars are super clumpy- just asking for contamination.
6.  Well…not sure, but I’m sure I did something else wrong…

First time, definitely not the last- I was super sterile otherwise, so we shall see 🙃



1- might not be a big deal. You only need a couple of the 100's of thousands of spores in there to make it. Might have some loosie's floating around that weren't stuck in the clump.
2- not a problem. It's gonna add a little more colonizing time, but 1 innoc point is ok. Even lowers odds of infection from a syringe contam.
3- depends on how close you are. if it's right on the edge you might get the myc running down for the nutes. If you got a wet spot from the top to bottom of the dry layer, it can defeat the filter cause contams will travel through wet verm. See how they play out.
4- Lid just keeps things in place. Long as you didn't churn up the dry verm to let contams through, tightening the lid late shouldn't affect anything.
5- Remember 2:1. If you nail that Verm:water ratio in measurements you won't have to worry. When you do make this mistake, you can always squeeze out excess water or add more verm to you get the right consistency.
6- Don't be hard on yourself. All of these sound like pretty minor mistakes and it's part of learning. In a few attempts it'll become habit, just keep on it bro.

/E For the jar pics. They look bacterial to me. I wouldn't commit them to a bulk sub together, just fruit them separately in some cake chamber or top fruit.

Edited by LtLurker (08/18/22 06:13 PM)

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Re: BRF to bulk/cakes as spawn [Re: LtLurker]
    #27908655 - 08/18/22 07:06 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Welp! So, I’ve inoculated my first BRF jars, it’s been two days and all I can think about is all the mistakes I made 🤦🏾♀️ Fingers crossed but if things don’t go as planned, I can point to at least six critical errors I made. Maybe my list will help other noobs.
1.  I forgot to shake my second spore syringe.
2. I only used 1 inoculation point on my pint sized jars.
3.  The first few jars I didn’t make sure I inoculated past the verm layer.
4.  My lids loosened (unknowingly) in the instant pot and I didn’t tighten them as soon as I got them out.
5.  My first batch of brf mix was too wet, so two jars are super clumpy- just asking for contamination.
6.  Well…not sure, but I’m sure I did something else wrong…

First time, definitely not the last- I was super sterile otherwise, so we shall see 🙃



1- might not be a big deal. You only need a couple of the 100's of thousands of spores in there to make it. Might have some loosie's floating around that weren't stuck in the clump.
2- not a problem. It's gonna add a little more colonizing time, but 1 innoc point is ok. Even lowers odds of infection from a syringe contam.
3- depends on how close you are. if it's right on the edge you might get the myc running down for the nutes. If you got a wet spot from the top to bottom of the dry layer, it can defeat the filter cause contams will travel through wet verm. See how they play out.
4- Lid just keeps things in place. Long as you didn't churn up the dry verm to let contams through, tightening the lid late shouldn't affect anything.
5- Remember 2:1. If you nail that Verm:water ratio in measurements you won't have to worry. When you do make this mistake, you can always squeeze out excess water or add more verm to you get the right consistency.
6- Don't be hard on yourself. All of these sound like pretty minor mistakes and it's part of learning. In a few attempts it'll become habit, just keep on it bro.

/E For the jar pics. They look bacterial to me. I wouldn't commit them to a bulk sub together, just fruit them separately in some cake chamber or top fruit.





Lost Sailor, thanks man! This makes me feel a lot better, I’m just going to leave them alone for now- updates coming soon!


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Re: BRF to bulk/cakes as spawn [Re: domi_versaix]
    #27908678 - 08/18/22 07:23 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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domi_versaix said:
Welp! So, I’ve inoculated my first BRF jars, it’s been two days and all I can think about is all the mistakes I made 🤦🏾♀️ Fingers crossed but if things don’t go as planned, I can point to at least six critical errors I made. Maybe my list will help other noobs.
1.  I forgot to shake my second spore syringe.
2. I only used 1 inoculation point on my pint sized jars.
3.  The first few jars I didn’t make sure I inoculated past the verm layer.
4.  My lids loosened (unknowingly) in the instant pot and I didn’t tighten them as soon as I got them out.
5.  My first batch of brf mix was too wet, so two jars are super clumpy- just asking for contamination.
6.  Well…not sure, but I’m sure I did something else wrong…

First time, definitely not the last- I was super sterile otherwise, so we shall see 🙃



1- might not be a big deal. You only need a couple of the 100's of thousands of spores in there to make it. Might have some loosie's floating around that weren't stuck in the clump.
2- not a problem. It's gonna add a little more colonizing time, but 1 innoc point is ok. Even lowers odds of infection from a syringe contam.
3- depends on how close you are. if it's right on the edge you might get the myc running down for the nutes. If you got a wet spot from the top to bottom of the dry layer, it can defeat the filter cause contams will travel through wet verm. See how they play out.
4- Lid just keeps things in place. Long as you didn't churn up the dry verm to let contams through, tightening the lid late shouldn't affect anything.
5- Remember 2:1. If you nail that Verm:water ratio in measurements you won't have to worry. When you do make this mistake, you can always squeeze out excess water or add more verm to you get the right consistency.
6- Don't be hard on yourself. All of these sound like pretty minor mistakes and it's part of learning. In a few attempts it'll become habit, just keep on it bro.

/E For the jar pics. They look bacterial to me. I wouldn't commit them to a bulk sub together, just fruit them separately in some cake chamber or top fruit.





Lost Sailor, thanks man! This makes me feel a lot better, I’m just going to leave them alone for now- updates coming soon!



Don't feel like a stranger now. :smile:

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Re: BRF to bulk/cakes as spawn [Re: LtLurker]
    #27920688 - 08/27/22 05:56 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Thought I’d post an update…turns out my biggest mistake was using BRF/verm mix that was too wet/clumpy. And I realized the order of ingredients matters: verm, water, brf/gypsum.
3 of my jars look like mud and probably won’t ever grow anything but bacteria. But 2 out of the 8 jars are showing some growth! Surprisingly the jar that’s working was the one I free styled the mix and didn’t measure.


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Re: BRF to bulk/cakes as spawn [Re: domi_versaix]
    #27923684 - 08/29/22 08:40 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Any ideas on if I should try to save the mycelium growing  in the air pocket?  These are BRF jars, it’s my first grow. I know now my mix in some of these jars was too wet and I’m afraid the mycelium will never take over the jar (before bacteria sets in).

I’m thinking of digging out the top layer and transferring some of the healthy mycelium to an agar plate. I’d have to do this in a SAB.

Any thoughts or is this just a fail??



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Re: BRF to bulk/cakes as spawn [Re: domi_versaix]
    #27923687 - 08/29/22 08:42 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

honestly if that were mine id put the colonized portion in a flower pot outside and hope for outdoor mush and try again.

trying to transfer clean myc from that jar to another source without agar would be almost impossible and even with agar time consuming if its dirty.

also be makin jars:awegroove:

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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: mushroomnate]
    #28117775 - 12/30/22 05:18 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Can you move cakes to bulk after they flushed 2 times?

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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: StudentOfMagic]
    #28117857 - 12/30/22 06:26 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Higher chance for contams before the flush. I wouldnt. Make more cakes imo.


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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: JHOVA]
    #28117957 - 12/30/22 07:46 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Higher chance for contams before the flush. I wouldnt. Make more cakes imo.




My thought process was, after the cakes flush  instead of throwing them away, put them in the bulk to give them a second life :smile:

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Re: BRF to bulk/Cakes as spawn : Post your BRF Bulk grows [Re: StudentOfMagic]
    #28118090 - 12/30/22 09:38 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Outside yes. The mycelium network is weakened and competitor molds will take over before a flush.


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