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Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread
    #24938841 - 01/24/18 03:57 PM (3 years, 4 days ago)

Hi all, first timer here. Been lurking around for a while soaking up info and planning out my first attempt. Ill use this thread to post setup and progress/panic pics up for all your entertainment/criticizing needs.

1)Day 1: Bought premade, wondering if I should resteralize.

01/24/18: So I didnt resterilize anything. Honestly, after looking at these jars im not very confident theyre very good. For starters shipping shakes things up which isnt good and when I removed the foil there was verm on the lid. Not very confident with the dry layer now but I decided to risk it anyway. I cleaned and flamed the needle and almost killed myself spraying copious amounts of 2 different disinfectants sprays so ... :goodluck:

Needle kept clogging up, probably went in too hot and it "cooked" in the needle. #NoobieMistakes Thanks to the extra pressure I had to do I ended up inserting way more spores than I wanted to. 12cc in 6x 1/2 pints :shrug: I wanted GTs next anyway.

Oh I also left the foil cover on at least for a few days. IF top layer really is compromised I figure a few days fully covered can only help. Hell I may just leave it with micropore tape on for most of colonization.

2) Day 1: Making stealth rig out of metal file cabinet, wondering about amount of lights, airflow, FC type.

01/24/18: No progress on stealth rig yet (rough week). Unless I learn something different ill go with original plan of a shotgun FC inside the file cabinet with a 120mm computer fan and a small 6000K LED strip above. Both will be on at night, completely off during the day. My main concern is 8+ hours of  constant airflow at night will dry it up too much so I may just tape half the holes and adjust. Then there is the 8+ hours its off with no real air flow... shouldnt be a problem right? No one can FAE 24hrs a day?



*** Update 2/06/18: Mycelium progress, Lights and initial testing.

***Update 2/12/18 and 02/13/18: Mycelium at 80% and Stelath rig tests.

***Update  02/21/18 More tests, with "Cakes"

*** Update 02/21/18: Contam! Damn Damn Damn!

***Update 2/26/18: Birthed and Buried Bad Cake


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: kayo]
    #24938967 - 01/24/18 04:54 PM (3 years, 4 days ago)

Search for stealth grows or cabinet grows to get some good tips. You should be able to grow in that. I am curious about your fan intervals though.

Go ahead and re-sterilize the jars. I'm sure they are fine but if you have problems later you can troubleshoot better.

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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: kayo]
    #24939056 - 01/24/18 05:33 PM (3 years, 4 days ago)

That is a cool look. You'll probably need to get a timer to kick the fan on during the day though. I wouldn't go all day with no fanning personally. I fan at least 3-4 times a day. I just got a Christmas tree light timer at the dollar store for $4. I have it coming on for 4 minutes every 3 hours when I'm away from home. I have a mini greenhouse too, almost like a home made Martha, and I'm using a computer fan to suck the Co2 out. Its 5'x2'x2' and that little fan seems to work great. I think that fan will work for you. But I'm not an expert. I just wing everything and experiment.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Meatflap]
    #24939062 - 01/24/18 05:36 PM (3 years, 4 days ago)

As for your jars, I'm not sure what you should do. I would think they might dry up. They would have been made to field capacity at the time they were made, so letting them sit might make the dry out a little. I'm not 100% sure on that though. Does anyone else know about this?


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Meatflap]
    #24939232 - 01/24/18 06:39 PM (3 years, 4 days ago)

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... I am curious about your fan intervals though.

Go ahead and re-sterilize the jars. I'm sure they are fine but if you have problems later you can troubleshoot better.

Good luck!




Thanks, I saw a few through a google search before but just saw some interesting ones searching here directly. Some of them look like theyre lit more for growing plants though :eek:.

Well the plan was get the fan running overnight with the light cycle.  Manual FAE seems to be handful of times during the day so I figured a 8-12h constant airflow every night would do the trick. You guys saying I should still open the actual FC up to fan it daily? Nosy tenants might get curious about the sound coming from the corner of the closet if its on while im out but I can probably attach some rubber frames or something.

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As for your jars, I'm not sure what you should do. I would think they might dry up. They would have been made to field capacity at the time they were made, so letting them sit might make the dry out a little. I'm not 100% sure on that though. Does anyone else know about this?




Its possible but I doubt dryness would be an issue in just a week. Theyre still covered and wrapped in bubble wrap so I doubt im losing any significant moisture. Honestly my main concern is shipping most likely shook up the dry verm layer but there is not much I can do about that other than start over.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: RuxBux] * 2
    #24939278 - 01/24/18 06:53 PM (3 years, 4 days ago)

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Search for stealth grows or cabinet grows to get some good tips. You should be able to grow in that. I am curious about your fan intervals though.

Go ahead and re-sterilize the jars. I'm sure they are fine but if you have problems later you can troubleshoot better.

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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Tormato]
    #24963051 - 02/03/18 12:03 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

UPDATE 2/2/18: I inoculated on Sunday and began noticing the mycelium finally started showing up yesterday (day 4). Small amount, wasnt even sure until today so I took pics. Nice and white. Finally removed the foil covers and put some micropore tape over the holes instead. Ill remove them once its around 50%. No contamination that I can see so far.

Also mostly done with the file cabinet rig. Still need to touch up and clean thoroughly but all the functional stuff is up and running. Took some pics.

First for some facepalms... my "Oven Tek" :evil:


Jars with mycelium starting:


Simple cabinet set up, Ill be turning this on at night, off during the day, more or less 50/50. Both lights and fans will be on at the same time. The FC im planning to have in there so far is an SGFC but thinking of making it less "porous" at least at first since ill have active airflow going all night.



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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: kayo] * 1
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You have my attention still :popcorn:


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Tormato] * 1
    #24969077 - 02/05/18 04:23 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

That is turning out a lot better than I thought it would. I'm seriously impressed.


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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: kayo]
    #24972082 - 02/06/18 07:48 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Hi all, first timer here. Been lurking around for a while soaking up info and planning out my first attempt. Ill use this thread to post setup and progress/panic pics up for all your entertainment/criticizing needs.

1)Day 1: Bought premade, wondering if I should resteralize.

01/24/18: So I didnt resterilize anything. Honestly, after looking at these jars im not very confident theyre very good. For starters shipping shakes things up which isnt good and when I removed the foil there was verm on the lid. Not very confident with the dry layer now but I decided to risk it anyway. I cleaned and flamed the needle and almost killed myself spraying copious amounts of 2 different disinfectants sprays so ... :goodluck:

Needle kept clogging up, probably went in too hot and it "cooked" in the needle. #NoobieMistakes Thanks to the extra pressure I had to do I ended up inserting way more spores than I wanted to. 12cc in 6x 1/2 pints :shrug: I wanted GTs next anyway.

Oh I also left the foil cover on at least for a few days. IF top layer really is compromised I figure a few days fully covered can only help. Hell I may just leave it with micropore tape on for most of colonization.

2) Day 1: Making stealth rig out of metal file cabinet, wondering about amount of lights, airflow, FC type.

01/24/18: No progress on stealth rig yet (rough week). Unless I learn something different ill go with original plan of a shotgun FC inside the file cabinet with a 120mm computer fan and a small 6000K LED strip above. Both will be on at night, completely off during the day. My main concern is 8+ hours of  constant airflow at night will dry it up too much so I may just tape half the holes and adjust. Then there is the 8+ hours its off with no real air flow... shouldnt be a problem right? No one can FAE 24hrs a day?








I see you mentioned using a 6000k led strip light.

I saw it recommended that a fluorescent be used over an LED. Anyone care to chime in as to why this might matter. Would fluorescent have a broader spectrum maybe...?


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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: pndmnm] * 1
    #24972118 - 02/06/18 08:04 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Pretty sure it’s heat


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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: Tormato]
    #24972147 - 02/06/18 08:19 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Pretty sure it’s heat




That can't be it. More energy is converted into heat with CFLs compared to LEDs.

Just checked all the bulbs currently running in my house. 23 w CFL at 1600 lumens, 9 w LED at 750 lumens, 12 W LED at 1010 lumens. That breaks down to 69.6 LM/W for my remaining 23 W CFLs, 83.3 LM/W for the 9 W LEDs, and 84.2 LM/W for the 12 W LEDs.

The energy not going into light is going into heat.

Switched most of the house over to LEDs a year ago and haven't had one fail yet. That's impressive atop the efficiency.

I only asked as I went with 6000k LEDs for my lighting. I'm gonna roll with it regardless. It's what is providing the light for my "who gives a shit "tek"" and some BRF cakes.


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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: pndmnm]
    #24972189 - 02/06/18 08:38 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Pretty sure it’s heat




That can't be it. More energy is converted into heat with CFLs compared to LEDs.

Just checked all the bulbs currently running in my house. 23 w CFL at 1600 lumens, 9 w LED at 750 lumens, 12 W LED at 1010 lumens. That breaks down to 69.6 LM/W for my remaining 23 W CFLs, 83.3 LM/W for the 9 W LEDs, and 84.2 LM/W for the 12 W LEDs.

The energy not going into light is going into heat.



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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: Tormato]
    #24972228 - 02/06/18 08:48 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

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Quote:

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Pretty sure it’s heat




That can't be it. More energy is converted into heat with CFLs compared to LEDs.

Just checked all the bulbs currently running in my house. 23 w CFL at 1600 lumens, 9 w LED at 750 lumens, 12 W LED at 1010 lumens. That breaks down to 69.6 LM/W for my remaining 23 W CFLs, 83.3 LM/W for the 9 W LEDs, and 84.2 LM/W for the 12 W LEDs.

The energy not going into light is going into heat.



I’m pretty sure I’m wrong :lol: my bad




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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: pndmnm]
    #24972362 - 02/06/18 09:48 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Trust me I’ll be the first to admit it if I’m wrong :lol:

TBH I miss read the post...thought It was LED over Florescent....I shouldn’t Shroomery and drive :lol:


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Meatflap]
    #24972473 - 02/06/18 10:32 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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That is turning out a lot better than I thought it would. I'm seriously impressed.




lol, thanks ill try not to disappoint you all.

As for the lights, fluorescents can get pretty hot, ive been burned by those big T8s before. These LEDs I can touch and barely feel any heat.

These are the extact lights im using. I had them laying around from before.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0132NM7C0/

Ive checked the temps after a full run in the morning and it seems to get to 78-79F, an increase of about 4-5F from the surrounding area. Bit much for fruiting iirc so im thinking of removing a few LEDs. TBH it seems pretty bright in there anyway, even with just 6.

First im going to do a few days of dummy runs with a full set up, minus the cakes. I ordered a digital thermometer/hygrometer that keeps track of the lowest and highest values reached to make sure things stay within parameters.

Hopefully for both day and night for at least 24hrs  :goodluck:

Now for some sexy mycelium porn


Coming in nicely so far. One on the right seems to be spreading up under the lid but otherwise im happy. Dare I say im even getting cautiously optimistic. :laugh:


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: kayo] * 1
    #24972857 - 02/07/18 02:33 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

:takingnotes:  :takingnotes:  :takingnotes:


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: kayo] * 1
    #24972982 - 02/07/18 04:38 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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That is turning out a lot better than I thought it would. I'm seriously impressed.




lol, thanks ill try not to disappoint you all.

As for the lights, fluorescents can get pretty hot, ive been burned by those big T8s before. These LEDs I can touch and barely feel any heat.

These are the extact lights im using. I had them laying around from before.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0132NM7C0/

Ive checked the temps after a full run in the morning and it seems to get to 78-79F, an increase of about 4-5F from the surrounding area. Bit much for fruiting iirc so im thinking of removing a few LEDs. TBH it seems pretty bright in there anyway, even with just 6.

First im going to do a few days of dummy runs with a full set up, minus the cakes. I ordered a digital thermometer/hygrometer that keeps track of the lowest and highest values reached to make sure things stay within parameters.

Hopefully for both day and night for at least 24hrs  :goodluck:

Now for some sexy mycelium porn


Coming in nicely so far. One on the right seems to be spreading up under the lid but otherwise im happy. Dare I say im even getting cautiously optimistic. :laugh:



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    #24973080 - 02/07/18 07:30 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

:popcorn: looks like a sweet little set up, definitely want to see how this goes.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Sally Hatchet]
    #24990037 - 02/12/18 11:35 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

02/12/18:
Hello, back again with another update. Ok so mycelium is still kicking ass. Feels like I lucked out lol, no contamination that I can see anywhere, no weird colors or smells. Most are around 80% or more colonized except one, which I call "the runt" (bottom left), still has a chunk of the other side to take over. Didnt get any germination on that side for some reason.

Theyre compressing quite a bit in there too. Hopefully no pins start showing already. Should I put them somewhere dark now that theyre almost done? Im guessing a week from next Wednesday theyll be ready to go!



Ran a test of the rig last night. I only have a 16 quart (technically 32) so I didnt do the 2 inch grid everywhere, just one row at the bottom under the perlite 3 more rows all around the sides and 4 rows above. I rinsed and dumped about 3 inches of wet perlite in and checked the stats.

Temps were great between 72 and 78F the entire time, pretty much just whatever the room temp is.

Humidity does drop to 74% when the fan is on but with it off it sits at a nice 93-97%. At least we know FAE works! Does that mean I dont need the fan somehow? Thinking ill have give in and do some sort of timer set up. Run the fan a few minutes every hour or something. For now im running another trial tonight with some holes covered see if that helps. :laugh:

More pics!


02/13/2018:
Still too dry this morning while the fan/lights were on 8+ hours, 78%. Fan may be too close to the FC once its closed in ill try sealing all the holes on top side. SO far the covered holes only really helped increase about 4%. TBH im not sure its a good test set up as is. For starters I think ill add another inch of Perlite when the time comes (used all I had left). Plus the cakes themselves will probably add to the humidity.

This weekend, when I have more time ill add that extra inch of perlite and maybe "simulate" the cakes by putting in 6 damp paper towels in place to see how much they dry up overnight. *crosses fingers*

Btw, any comments, suggestions or red flags welcome. :laugh:


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: kayo] * 1
    #24991166 - 02/13/18 01:38 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

This is impressive.

I'm curious why you need to go stealth. Parents? Roommates? Those brackets on the front are a bit conspicuous--but only for someone actively looking for contraband.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Loran] * 1
    #24991292 - 02/13/18 02:41 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Pardon my laziness...but did you say the fan was on a duty cycle? timer? I would have it be more on/off spread out through the 24 hour period. Having it on for a full 8 hrs constant could be interrupting the evaporation cycle and contributing to dryness.  Also a SGFC will fluctuate between 50-80 RH naturally so...food for thought on your RH readings the myc surface is what matters most...not the overall RH of the FC :shrug:

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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Tormato]
    #24991304 - 02/13/18 02:45 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

My advice, don't over think it. That's it, follow the tek to the letter and you'll succeed.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Doc9151] * 1
    #24991314 - 02/13/18 02:48 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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My advice, don't over think it. That's it, follow the tek to the letter and you'll succeed.



True....but I don't think there is a "TEK" for what he has going on. :lol:


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Tormato]
    #24991325 - 02/13/18 02:52 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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My advice, don't over think it. That's it, follow the tek to the letter and you'll succeed.



True....but I don't think there is a "TEK" for what he has going on. :lol:



Lol somehow I posted that to the wrong thread, but damn op, that's phat.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Tormato]
    #24991543 - 02/13/18 04:44 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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This is impressive.

I'm curious why you need to go stealth. Parents? Roommates? Those brackets on the front are a bit conspicuous--but only for someone actively looking for contraband.




Haha its just tenants and visitors. No biggie, I doubt theyd snoop around that much, just beats a big tub in the corner of the room. Also doing it because I dont really have the space, and I like doing this kind of tinkering modding stuff.

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Pardon my laziness...but did you say the fan was on a duty cycle? timer? I would have it be more on/off spread out through the 24 hour period. Having it on for a full 8 hrs constant could be interrupting the evaporation cycle and contributing to dryness.  Also a SGFC will fluctuate between 50-80 RH naturally so...food for thought on your RH readings the myc surface is what matters most...not the overall RH of the FC :shrug:

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Can it be the correct humidity and still have dry mycelium? Figured one would be somewhat telling of the other. I agree about that fan being on too long though. I figured since the fan was more moving air around FC instead of directly out from it, it might be more of a natural flowing air current.

Thing is im not sure how to apply a timer switch to turn on every hour using the same power supply. Most seem to be made for wall outlets. Ill try playing around with the holes or fan for now.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: kayo] * 1
    #24991698 - 02/13/18 05:48 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Can it be the correct humidity and still have dry mycelium? Figured one would be somewhat telling of the other. I agree about that fan being on too long though. I figured since the fan was more moving air around FC instead of directly out from it, it might be more of a natural flowing air current.

Thing is im not sure how to apply a timer switch to turn on every hour using the same power supply. Most seem to be made for wall outlets. Ill try playing around with the holes or fan for now.



Sure can. I only used RH gauges in my GH until I realized that I could have the entire GH at 95% or better and I was still having to mist my subs. Unless the moisture is falling directly onto the sub the air around can be anything really. Misting allows for the moisture to fall onto the sub itself. The RH of the fruiting chamber really isn't going to help much. I went round and round on that for the same reasoning until I realized that at the surface the climate can actually BE quite different then the air around it. Ultimately I just use my eyes...watch the surface of the sub and I dial in a timer to regulate moisture input based on what I see and not the what my RH gauge says...I could have a tropical rain forest in the GH and still feel like my subs were dehydrated....and maybe this a bad explanation, but it helped me. :shrug:

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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Tormato]
    #24993669 - 02/14/18 01:23 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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How are you powering the fan?




An old computer power supply. Basically turn it on by grounding the pwr_on wire via toggle switch. Both lights and fan turns on until switched off. If I wanted to use a typical wall outlet timer switch I'd have to get a separate power supply for the fan I think.

I can probably use an old programmable project board and a transistors to cut power to the fan on a timer. At least during the "day" so it won't dry everything out with a fan on all the time. Time to brush up on my Arduino lol.

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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: kayo]
    #25010135 - 02/21/18 11:15 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Update 02/21/18: Welp, im late! Was finally able to do some mock testing of everything and im happy to say its looking good so far. Not sure how accurate this "simulation" I cooked up is but hopefully itll give me some idea of any adjustments I need to make keep the surface moist throughout a day or two. Let me know what you guys think or any important variables I may be missing.

I reset the FC, rewet and mixed perlite, closed off all the holes I drilled on the surface above and then placed 4 cups of various sizes (see pics) wrapped in wet paper towels and put them in for 10-12 hours with the fans and lights on. This morning the mock "cakes" were still moist but less noticeably so than how I left them last night. Hopefully that means they'll survive the "day time."

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Humidity was slightly higher than previous "just perlite" tests at 80% thanks to, I assume, less holes and more "cakes". The real thing will have 6 cakes total if they remain contam free (almost 100% colonized now! :grin:)

Theyre now sitting in the FC with no light or air. Humidity should climb back up as before, I just hope the fact that there is no active "night time" FAE wont cause any issues. I mean even the most OCD grower cant FAE during work and sleep right?  :uhoh:

Ill be doing another run tonight. A sort of "worst case scenario" with the paper towels damp rather than my best guess at " field capacity".

Side note, I did notice a funky foot smell coming from FC so something is trying to grow in there. Reminded me of my old karate dojo lol. Dont really see any discoloration so rather than waste more perlite i used them again. I probably shouldnt have ignored it or left it in there, wet, with no air circulation for 4-5 days, huh? :grin:

Miracle gro  perlite is probably not a good idea to use for FCs. It has some minor plant food in it so im sure there is some kind of contam out there that feeds on it. Anyway, I drenched in alcohol because I had no peroxide for some reason, stirred, let dry a little, rewet it (no puddle), smell is mostly gone. After that, im dumping the perlite and thoroughly scrubbing the shit out of the container with every disinfectant I can find in the house lol.

Next Episode: Birthing. Stay tuned! :wink:


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: kayo]
    #25011083 - 02/21/18 06:34 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

The cruel micro world has taken one of my babies!



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Why lawd!!?!

So is that the infamous trich? Kinda suspicious this thing shows up 3 days after I remove the micropore tape. Still say its the dry verm layer.

Rest should be fine, they seem fully colonized towards the top. I believe this was the "runt" that didnt germinate anything in two of the noc points.

Ah well ... put it in a sealed ziploc away from the others for now. Ill bury it somewhere inconspicuous one of these days. Maybe cut it off that section first.

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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: kayo]
    #25011127 - 02/21/18 06:54 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Pint jars are notorious for failing. That's why psilocybe fanaticus said not to use them, he did extensive research on the matter. That's how he came up with the PF tek.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Doc9151]
    #25012594 - 02/22/18 09:43 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Pint jars are notorious for failing. That's why psilocybe fanaticus said not to use them, he did extensive research on the matter. That's how he came up with the PF tek.




You mean actual pint jars or just jars in general? These are PF Tek standard issue 1/2 pints. At least, thats what it said in the description (these were premade). Could be anything from my humorously terrible toaster oven tek, contaminated syringe, to a bad dry verm layer.

Its colonizing well beyond the band line and none of the others seem to have anything yet, so im sticking with bad dry verm layer. A result of it being shaken up during shipping or just badly prepared. Fairly well known supplier, although not a sponsor here.

Im honestly surprised its all been going so smoothly up to now. Feels like ive been lucky considering lol.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: kayo]
    #25012717 - 02/22/18 11:06 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

This is what you should have for the PF tek.


The jars you have look bigger, more like pint jars.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Doc9151]
    #25012725 - 02/22/18 11:09 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

There's 2 different styles of 1/2 Pint Jars. I have ones like Kayo, tall & thin. Doc's are Short & fatter. Both 1/2 Pint volume.

Here's an image to compare. 3x Pint jars next to 2x tall & thin 1/2 Pints.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: LtLurker]
    #25012728 - 02/22/18 11:11 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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There's 2 different styles of 1/2 Pint Jars. I have ones like Kayo, tall & thin. Doc's are Short & fatter. Both 1/2 Pint volume.



Gotcha ya, I have never seen the tall ones.

Edit: I wonder if it makes a difference, I'm curious to what the success/fail ratio may be between the two styles.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Doc9151]
    #25012877 - 02/22/18 12:15 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Heh, I was already planning on making sure they were 1/2 pints when I got home :laugh:

Ive seen those smaller ones but I thought they were just 1/4 pints or something lol.

Anyway, quick update: Test is going on 1.5 days now with no extra watering or spraying, two "daytime" cycles with the fan and lights on. While the humidity has dropped to low 90s now (when no fan) the mock cakes are still damp to the touch. Think im just going to focus now on getting everything ready for birthing.

Should I still wait a week after 100% colonization? I mean that last few % is going but relatively slower. Most of the rest of the cakes seem pretty solid and compressing quite a bit around the germination areas. Im surprised I havent got any early pins yet.

Already looking up ways to bury the contaminated jar. Havent really read too much on proper teks for this but so far its cut off the contamination, bury in a shallow hole with some peat moss, used coffee grounds and some instant oats (its all I have)... thoroughly wet and mix it all then cover with ~1/2" of dirt.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: kayo]
    #25012976 - 02/22/18 12:59 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I think you should wait till 1 week after full colonize. Anecdotally on only a few runs, cakes I didn't wait for took longer to pin and had less impressive flushes. More importantly the people that have done it longer and tested the hell out of it agree to wait a week if your gonna fruit on cakes.

On burying, I'm the wrong guy to answer. Conditions aren't good here for outdoor so I just quickly bury and be done with it. I assume they'll probably fail for me anyway.

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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: LtLurker]
    #25016829 - 02/23/18 08:24 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Ma babies are havin babies!  :emocry:



Haha, so exciting. Counting at least 4 so far with many other possible knots throughout all remaining jars. Too bad I cant put them to fruit yet. About 3 are at 100% with 2 others missing only a tiny section on the bottom. At least ill have something to eat while I set it up!

Thx LtLurker, ill try my best to wait it out lol. How long can they be kept in the jars like this before it starts getting negatively affected? Id hate to have to do these in the middle of the week but next weekend might be too long.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: kayo] * 1
    #25017284 - 02/23/18 11:52 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

They are ready, you have pinning, don't wait. You can wait on the one still colonizing, but the jars with pins are ready to fruit.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: LtLurker]
    #25017294 - 02/23/18 11:56 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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There's 2 different styles of 1/2 Pint Jars. I have ones like Kayo, tall & thin. Doc's are Short & fatter. Both 1/2 Pint volume.

Here's an image to compare. 3x Pint jars next to 2x tall & thin 1/2 Pints.





You will have to top fruit the tapered neck ones if they reach 100% colonization. Cause you can't birth those ones like you can with the wide mouths.


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    #25017915 - 02/24/18 10:18 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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There's 2 different styles of 1/2 Pint Jars. I have ones like Kayo, tall & thin. Doc's are Short & fatter. Both 1/2 Pint volume.

Here's an image to compare. 3x Pint jars next to 2x tall & thin 1/2 Pints.





You will have to top fruit the tapered neck ones if they reach 100% colonization. Cause you can't birth those ones like you can with the wide mouths.




I could, but instead I just cut into quarters and slide them out in pieces. It gets grated after that any way. EZ PZ.
I'm usin the Pints for bulk, and 1/2 pints for cakes. Just birthed and cut up the 1/2pinters as a test shoebox for these clones. My other shoebox was grown out in pints, need to get some more pics when i get the chance.


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    #25017943 - 02/24/18 10:31 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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They are ready, you have pinning, don't wait. You can wait on the one still colonizing, but the jars with pins are ready to fruit.



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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Tormato]
    #25019497 - 02/24/18 10:21 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Hey all thanks for all the help.

So I took your advice and started opening them up. Lost another one. It had contaminated with the same teal colored gunk as the previous pic right on the top. Another might have had some too but wasnt sure so I cut it in half with a knife (heated and cooled of course) and put it in a separate container for now.

I can definitely see why its bad to buy kits. Or pre-made jars at least. Not sure if its normal but im pretty sure none of the videos I saw had mycelium (with contamination) growing right up to the top of the jar along the sides. Lots of space between jar lid and surface too and i think dry verm layer is supposed to reach the lid. Even had room enough for a pin to grow inbetween! *sigh*

So yeah. Dont buy online kids! :grin::thumbup:

Sorry, no pics this time, didnt even cross my mind until after.

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    #25019535 - 02/24/18 10:42 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry for your loss man. Start workin on packin your own. Itll be more reliable and its really easy. Hope the rest go well.


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    #25019659 - 02/24/18 11:50 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

It sounds like trich or penicillium contamination. Agar is the way go, you can use tyvek filters for pf tek instead of the verm layer.  Spore syringes are the slot machines of fungal growth.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Doc9151]
    #25020576 - 02/25/18 01:12 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Agar is actually looking more and more attractive to me lol. At first I brushed it off thinking its just more junk and more sterile work for something im not really looking to make a main hobby out of (more of a gardener than a mycologist lol).

It does however seem like a decent way of using 2-3 dishes at a time to avoid/remove any contamination rather than 10+ trying to isolate a strain.

Also PF Tek seems more complicated than its worth compared to monotubs so ill be doing grains to poo monotubs next and agar can only help things go smoother from what I can tell. Eventually I want to start from my own prints as well so even more of a reason to go with agar.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: kayo] * 1
    #25021575 - 02/25/18 08:25 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Poo can still cause you problems,  you have to pasteurize poo substrate. If you use coir and vermiculite or just coir, no pasteurization is needed.


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    #25021589 - 02/25/18 08:29 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

This was my last project, it's made up of 1qt of colonized oats and 1qt of coir. I ended up with a litte under an oz of dried product.



The wet weight was 350+g, 327g was water weight. It's an Orissa strain. I think a different strain would have had a better end weight.  The Orissa were hollow and lacked any real substance. They are high in psilocin in my opinion.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Doc9151]
    #25022852 - 02/26/18 11:11 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Funny I was just reading up on Bods and Damions Coir teks just now. I figured manure would be more natural and nutritious but with harvests like those who cares! Couple flushes like that and id be set for a while.

Is that floating on water? Never seen that :shocked:

Anyway, quick update 02/26/18:
I buried one of the contaminated cakes outside behind a tree. I had just finished waking up my Fly Traps and had some left over peat moss. So I mixed it up with some microwaved quinoa and instant oats,  cooled and sandwiched the broken up cakes with it in the hole before covering with dirt.
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Also dunked the cakes for a little over 24hrs, rinsed them off (had even more pins already!), rolled in Verm and placed in foil "cups" molded from lids. Left them over night, as is, then misted and filled the cups this morning.

One of the cakes didnt seem to want any verm lol, mostly just collected dust. I was kinda disappointed how small the verm was. I dunno, should I rerinse and try again? Wasnt expecting that. (bottom lowest cake)



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    #25022890 - 02/26/18 11:27 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Floating on water, There's a thread called Bod's Harvest Tek. When it's time to harvest you flood the unmodded tub with water so the sub floats up where you can cut it. Siphon out when done. It's pretty clever.

Good luck on your outdoor!

Most people shoot for 18hrs dunk, 24 max, but doubt it'll hurt anything. Since you just Dunked and rehydrated them, you don't need to fill the bottom watering dishes until it's got it's pinset. If it can't absorb the water and sits in stagnant water too long it can start rotting. I would keep an eye that it soaks up what you put in within a few days.

Edit Add: Hell yea on goin bottom water! So easy and keepin the cakes hydrated has gotta help. I love it.

I think your lightly vermed cake will be fine. You could sprinkle little more on if you really wanted to.


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    #25023466 - 02/26/18 01:10 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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This was my last project, it's made up of 1qt of colonized oats and 1qt of coir. I ended up with a litte under an oz of dried product.



The wet weight was 350+g, 327g was water weight. It's an Orissa strain. I think a different strain would have had a better end weight.  The Orissa were hollow and lacked any real substance. They are high in psilocin in my opinion.





WHy is your sub not fully  colonized?? is my question mine look like giant white cakes


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Doc probably fruited at spawn. It works!


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Most people shoot for 18hrs dunk, 24 max, but doubt it'll hurt anything. Since you just Dunked and rehydrated them, you don't need to fill the bottom watering dishes until it's got it's pinset. If it can't absorb the water and sits in stagnant water too long it can start rotting. I would keep an eye that it soaks up what you put in within a few days.





Oh youre right I forgot youre not supposed to fill them until pinning! :eek: Ill keep an eye on it for sure. Thanks for that.

That is pretty clever actually. Wouldve never thought of it. May even use it one day. :laugh:

Outside thing was more of a thrown together side thing . Id be surprised if something fruits at all. Not even sure I should eat it if it does lol.


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    #25024109 - 02/26/18 04:43 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

They were on autopilot, I went in the hospital the day they were spawned, came out a week later to that.


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    #25026753 - 02/27/18 06:57 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Update 02/27/18:
We got pins! I was starting to freak out a bit thinking its getting too dry with the fan and all but after checking them out today it may actually be the opposite. I am getting fuzziness growing on top of some cakes and its getting thicker around other areas as well. What ya think?



Sign of too much moisture? Kind of hard to tell what condition the surface is just by looking with my noobie eye (ill be sure to take a pics tomorrow morning). Its the only cake with anything but it looks like the start of a nice cluster.

So far the schedule has been
5-6PM --- Mist, turn on fan and lights
10-11PM --- Mist, fill bottom
5AM --- Mist, turn off fan and lights

So ill probably skip the 5AM misting since the fan will be off for 12hrs anyway. Should I expect the fuzziness to clear out or just not grow out more?


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    #25026769 - 02/27/18 07:12 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I think you're looking good right now. You'll be able to tell better when the pins get bigger if you got too much moisture, they'll grow fuzzy feet. Although bottom pins in the bottom water will get some fuzz down there any way.

After birthing, my cakes tend to colonize over the rolled verm pretty well. Looks like that's what you got happening.

Other note, I'd put those cakes closer to each other, they like it close, helps hold humidity.


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    #25027283 - 02/27/18 10:17 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I agree with Lt, it's looking good,  I think your fine on moisture. They will use more and more everyday as they grow.

Edit: I think I like the look of the tall pint jars compared to mine, I like the surface area being tall and trim (like me:crazy2:)

Some may tell you to pick off the smaller pins due to their size, but I like to let mine go just until the veil starts straining before tearing, they kick my ass.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Doc9151]
    #25028225 - 02/28/18 10:26 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Sweet! Thanks for the reassurances :grin:

I continued the same schedule so far and took Lt's advice by putting them closer together towards the center. They are really sucking up that water btw, its all gone overnight!

Anyway, these are from the morning when they should be at their driest, just  before misting. If they look OK now then I should be set. Got a few more pins on another cake now  as well. They seem to prefer pinning along the outside perimeter so far.

What ya think? Starting to think there is more and enough FAE already just with me opening it up 3 times a day lol.



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    #25028534 - 02/28/18 01:08 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Everything's looking just fine man. You can do them even closer than that to, like 1-2 inches. When you start poppin more jars you can fit more in your fc and they'll maintain even better.

Here's about how close i keep mine.


The idea is, just like how bulk tubs love making sidepins in those little gaps, you're trying to make a small climate between the sides of your cakes.

That's all knit picking really though. They'll be fine as they are to. Good job.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: LtLurker]
    #25031443 - 03/01/18 12:58 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Cool man, thanks again for advice. I put them even closer last night. Should I fill out the ends of the chamber with something too? Like some empty mason jars?

Also is it unusual to "reset the FC before 2nd flush? Hell I may just get new perlite. I had to get Miracle-Gro brand which has nutrients so I dont trust it..... also there are brown spots on perlite near the bottom holes which has me worried. :uhoh:

No pics again but nothing really exciting anyway. Few more pins, another possible cluster forming on another cake, maybe even some knots on the late bloomer this morning. Slower shroom growth than expected, they seemed to double in size per day while in the jar but still growing at least :laugh:


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    #25031496 - 03/01/18 01:21 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I add a little bit more water to the perlite after the first flush to replace what has evaporated. I also re-use my perlite, wash it with a 10% bleach solution,  rinse, let stand over night to release gases.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Doc9151]
    #25034102 - 03/02/18 06:54 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Hi all, got some more pics. Growing slowly but surely.

Anyway just posting an update. Let me know if you see anything that doesnt look right. I am noticing some slight discoloration around the exposed white mycelium, probably hard to tell, but I think its bruising. Probably need to slow the misting down. Its almost looks like contam but its got that bluish tint to it I think. Ill let you be the overall judge.

Aside from that im not liking how mushies are getting pinned down under the saucers so im planning on making some larger ones this weekend. Btw, how fast are cakes supposed to suck out water from these things? Took a little longer than usual putting them back just now and they sucked it all up in under a minute! Either that or I have a leak in every single one!

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Looking good, did you roll after dunking in vermiculite, look a little bare on that department


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    #25034823 - 03/02/18 11:48 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I rolled them, one of them (the whitest one) collected mostly verm dust but the rest looked more or less like the others id seen before around here before mycelium wrapped itself around it.

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    #25039311 - 03/04/18 11:27 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Hey! Thanks for the comments! Honestly its served as a decent Stealth Rig so far. Kind of a pain to get the FC in and out but the whole point was to have it more or less hands off anyway. I have been stressing moisture levels from not being able to tell how they are (with contradicting symptoms). Definitely agree its better suited for either a small monotub or shoebox. Hell, some invitro jars would probably work better too. Any setup that, unlike SGFC, benefits from more surrounding airflow rather than less would work best I think.

Anyway... long-ish update today
Update 03/04/18: When the veil breaks...
Its almost harvest time! Picked my first fully mature shroom just now for fun. A kinda ugly one growing sideways with a broken veil (in pic). Saw about two others as well ready to go but ill probably give it another day or two so I can get a good amount to dehydrate at once.

--Quick question, since i was lucky enough to get a few big clusters, some mushies will be ready before others. Do I cut them off as their veils break (bruising the cluster) or find a happy median to pull the whole thing out?

--Also im seeing fuzzy feet and some light stripes in ... the stipe. Too much moisture? On the other hand the mycelium is getting a bluish tint on them (hopefully you can see it now) isnt that a sign of dryness?

Funny thing happened, my homemade watering saucers had leaks! All of them. So while I was filling them up, thinking the cakes were sucking it up quick, it was actually dripping onto the perlite. Some puddling even happened. I tossed it around to spread the moisture but ill probably just mist less and rely on saucers more, then reset after this flush.

-- Also any thoughts on my new saucers? Used a larger mold this time to make room for the clusters growing. Sorry LtLurker, had to move them apart again. Also added a small layer of verm under it to hold moisture better. Any thoughts? :smile:

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    #25039719 - 03/05/18 07:29 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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--Quick question, since i was lucky enough to get a few big clusters, some mushies will be ready before others. Do I cut them off as their veils break (bruising the cluster) or find a happy median to pull the whole thing out?





Cultivators preference. I usually wait till after the veils break. Harvest as they become ready.

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    #25039971 - 03/05/18 10:59 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Cool, ill do that, then pull out entire cluster base once im ready to dunk again this weekend. Woke up this morning to some flattened out heads already so ill definitely be starting to harvest today. Looks like thats about as big as theyre going to get too. Hopefully ill be better prepared with the moisture/FAE levels next round.


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Cool, ill do that, then pull out entire cluster base once im ready to dunk again this weekend. Woke up this morning to some flattened out heads already so ill definitely be starting to harvest today. Looks like thats about as big as theyre going to get too. Hopefully ill be better prepared with the moisture/FAE levels next round.



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    #25042262 - 03/06/18 09:11 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Holy hell! So I had a bit of a freak out when I got home yesterday. I swear I left with only one mushroom flattened out, then 12hrs I came home to this. :shocked:


Probably not much per usual shroomery standards but hot dam I wasnt expecting this much! Picked some last night, then some more this morning and there is still a few left Im expecting to pull after work.


lol, should I be using a VPN before uploading any evidence pics? :uhoh::uhoh::uhoh:
Dont have anything to weigh it with but im happy either way. Should be able to post dry weight later this week. Promise I wont eat any(more). :grin:


This is some of what remained after first day of harvest. The others are the same cakes but in the morning after some more opened up (already harvested).  Lookin all pretty, just had to take a pic :mushroom2:


Anyway, just want to say thanks again for everything. Not just on this thread but all the hard work you've all put in to spread the love and knowledge.

????? - So is next step another dunk and roll like before? Its looking bruised to high hell, and slowly getting worse. Not 100% sure what happened TBH. Bruising like that = dryness right? But at the same time I had fuzzy feet, stipe stripes, short but mature, and a couple were even drenched when I picked them! Spongy even.  Is the fan maybe removing too much moisture from the surface but at the same time the water saucers added too much water? Maybe just not enough verm "casing" to protect mycelium?

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    #25042475 - 03/06/18 11:30 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

:thumbsup: Very nice man.

At the end on a big flush, it seems like my cakes gets dry and bruises a bit to. Putting water into the fruits i guess but, idk :shrug:

The soggy ones I guess came from bottom, it's hard to avoid when bottom watering. I try to put a little less water in the dish so it soaks up faster and isn't soaking the bottom fruits, but the soggy fruits will dry out just the same.

Dunk & roll and go for flush 2. You can get an average of 3 flushes out of a cake, or keep'em goin till your next jar batch is done.


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    #25042482 - 03/06/18 11:31 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

A fan in close proximity is pretty much always going to bruise your cakes. But the good thing is, bruised cakes still fruit! Do that second flush man, it won't hurt. And prep some jars for your next grow at the same time!


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    #25044379 - 03/07/18 03:44 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I love your "oven tek.". Looks just like mine and worked on 5 out of 6 jars, also received with verm on tops.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: BlueZwoman]
    #25044735 - 03/07/18 10:14 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Ill definitely go for another flush then at least. Cakes are pretty much blue everywhere now and im noticing have lost some mass in the mid to lower area. I agree, RuxBux, the fan was likely the source of all my noobie troubles this time. Made the surface noticeably dry which had me try to compensate by overdoing it with water. Not to mention the leaks I mentioned. The fan probably wasnt even necessary since I spent the entire week opening the FC like 3 times a day lol.

I think the setup lends itself best for either a monotub or shoebox setup like Sally Hatchet said before. They arent nearly as porous as SGFC. Its what I plan to do for my next grow.

Live and learn I guess. Honestly im happy with results either way.

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I love your "oven tek.". Looks just like mine and worked on 5 out of 6 jars, also received with verm on tops.




Haha, glad im not the only one who used the "Toaster Oven Tek." :clown:
I got a SAB for next time though lol.

Yeah buying premade jars online was a bad idea. I technically got trich in 3 of them and I think it was more because of the crappy dry verm layer. It was right on the surface after opening them and I was able to save one at least.

If you havent yet, and for anyone who decides to buys online, I say leave the foil on as long as possible and even then replace with micropore, tyvek or polyfill. The fact verm ends up on the lids means they were shaken vigorously during shipping and its likely there are nutrients on or near the surface. Not only did my supplier NOT tape up the holes for shipping, they obviously didnt top off the jar completely with dry verm. :mad:


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: kayo] * 2
    #25045916 - 03/07/18 03:13 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Take those bluing cakes and shred them into some coir and verm that's been brought to field capacity. Let it colonize then fruit.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Doc9151]
    #25047301 - 03/07/18 10:17 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Take those bluing cakes and shred them into some coir and verm that's been brought to field capacity. Let it colonize then fruit.




..... Sure! Why not. :shrug:

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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: kayo] * 1
    #25047311 - 03/07/18 10:20 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Absolutely brilliant. :thumbup: really nice build and project dude!

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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: UnsungHero]
    #25047999 - 03/08/18 09:29 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Absolutely brilliant. :thumbup: really nice build and project dude!





Thanks! :smile: Still a WIP but im glad its getting some likes! Maybe ill make a more detailed "tek" of sorts once I get the hang of cultivating and work out all the kinks.

Last night I put about 2 quarts (1/4 brick) worth of coir mixed with 1 dry cup of verm and about 5 cups of water into my 6in1 pressure cooker (slow cooker mode, 140-180F) and left to cool overnight. Broke a cardinal rule of mycology... PATIENCE. Some minor mistakes were made but it was a last minute thing and my cakes werent looking too good anymore. They were soft on the bottom and tough on top. All in all I think it has a better chance. Btw, thanks Doc!

I know im supposed to wait 7-10 days before opening but for 2 quarts and 2 pints worth of cakes in small a 20qt container? Also its airtight atm, holes taped up and all, should I FAE once in a while or is that just for when its time to fruit? There is plenty of headroom, 6-8 inches. Not fully caught up on monotubs ... or is this a shoebox... come to think of it, whats the difference? Is it just overall size?


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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: kayo]
    #25048133 - 03/08/18 11:19 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I birthed these 2 4 days ago, thats what I'll do when they are done.


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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: Doc9151]
    #25077289 - 03/20/18 11:40 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Hi all, thought id do a quick update/check up even though not much has happened since last time. Its been 12 days already and for some reason the sub still hasnt quite fully colonized yet but its going. My guess is my ratios were off using 2 quarts coir and 1 cup verm for less than 1 full quart of cheese grated BRF cakes (that have already gone through 1 flush) so its taking a bit longer.

Does coir provide any additional nutrients to mycelium or does it just colonize it for water source? Should I expect any more than a single flush from this? Not that id hate it, im kinda looking forward to doing a proper grain spawn mini-mono from prints next. Maybe a clone if im feeling ballsy. Even ordered some glass plates and a 500mL bottle for agar.

No weird smells, or growth that I can see with my untrained eye and smells like fresh dirt/coir) ... so far. These are from day 11.



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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: kayo] * 1
    #25077445 - 03/20/18 01:02 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Coir doesn't have any nutrition, it just holds water and gives the mushrooms more surface to grow from. You can still get about 3 flushes like a cake, or about 2 more in your case. You can tell when they are running out of food, your mushies will be fewer and smaller.

Not sure on time frame, maybe you're right about a fruiting substrate takin little more time to go back to colonizing?

Agar's fun and isn't seeming to be too hard. Just started first few attempts with it myself. What you really got to lose by tryin it ya know?


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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: LtLurker]
    #25077851 - 03/20/18 04:25 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Well I had like a <1:2.5 ratio of cake to coir/verm. Less than 4 half pint cakes (quart) to 2+ quarts of coir plus another cup of verm so that may be why its taking longer too. Also the cakes were pretty dry towards the top end. Who knows
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Just glad they still look ok.

TBH I wasnt interested in agar at first but it seems like the most effective way of starting from prints. Depending how this flush does ill probably do one more and get some prints from it to start on agar with.


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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: kayo]
    #25110333 - 04/03/18 09:36 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Hi again, another quick update.

Hit a bit of a snag recently. Everything up to now went really well, sub colonized, pins formed quick and I got about another pints worth of dry mushies. Now however things seem to have stalled. My first guess is its time for a dunk but everything still seems rather wet so maybe its just reached the end of its food. The sub has definitely contracted somewhat, plenty of pins or baby mushies but everything seems to have stalled, almost feels like everything is aborting. Heavy misting doesnt seem to help either. I actually picked one of the bigger ones yesterday and it felt "weak" and kind of slimy and mushy definitely not dry.

Anyway, see for yourself, lmk what ya think. Its more or less stayed this way for about 2 days. Mind you, these have been been through a flush already as (poorly managed) cakes, then put to colonize a 1:2.5 ratio of coir/verm, and spit out another decent flush.


Aside from that Ive finally delved into agar. Made 2 plates from Steel Cut Oatmeal, one with spores and another with the fibery guts of a fresh pick. I wanted a nice blood red one but it came out pink so its kinda hard to see the tiny bit of growth thats started on it but its all still there and growing clean so far (pics are before inoculation).



Is there another common household nutrition source for agar thats more clear? Malt/Molasses are dark but might look better watered down with 500mL. Pasta water maybe? I was thinking of trying a 3rd or 4th flush of white rice rinse water with some honey as well. Thanks again! :grin:


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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: kayo]
    #25110386 - 04/03/18 10:20 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

"Weak" wet mushies sounds like your sub is getting saturated, maybe stop misting a few days.

If you just got a flush off it, it's gonna take more like a week to start setting more pins, 2 days is just too soon.

For agar nutrition, powdered potatoes works fine, doesn't take much and pretty clear.


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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: LtLurker]
    #25112467 - 04/04/18 01:25 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Use light malt extract or extra light malt extract with your agar. Do not boil your agar (if powdered), boil the water, remove from heat and slowly add the agar and malt extract while stirring until dissolved. Extra light malt will give clear agar like in a lab.


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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: Doc9151]
    #25118120 - 04/06/18 01:16 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Ok so I think im going to go ahead and fill with water. Been three days no misting at all and not much has changed. Starting to think it just doesnt have the energy to grow more but since I still havent even started colonizing grains for my next run yet, I may as well push for another flush.

Its basically just fill the tub with enough water to float the sub a bit then drain after 12-24 hours right? Quick question, if I want to do that floating Bods Harvest Tek do I plug up the holes with duct tape? Been twist/pulling them out and not too happy with the holes its leaving.

Also finally got some proper wraps for petri dishes so its much more visible. Check out the progress, lmk if anything is off. :laugh:



One is a clone (right) the other (left) is from as few spores I could get on the tip of an exacto knife. Another question, why do the zigzag for inoculating? Isnt the point to get as few unique dikarytic growths as possible?

Assuming everything stays clean ill be using the clone to noc up my next grow and use the spore dish to play/practice around with more agar... different soups, half-assed isolating, and cleaning up contaminated samples. Is LME sold in grocery stores or would I need some specialty store? Would beer or "Malta" work? Plenty of that laying around here lol


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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: kayo]
    #25118162 - 04/06/18 01:32 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Someone was just askin about this on shoebox thread. More like 2 hours is all it needs to soak apparently. I like cutting more to now.

Nice pics
They look good. Spores on right? Could transfer from edge now i think. I forget who it was but I seen suggested to take transfer from spores soon after germination. Left(Clone?) grow some more.

The zig-zag is to pull the spores & contams in the spore solution across a larger area so they're more seperated. Easier to get a clean sample.

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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: LtLurker]
    #25118219 - 04/06/18 01:53 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Hi LT, thanks for quick reply. Sorry wrong order. Clone is on the right, spores on left. It does look like its a clone though but that discoloration in the center is probably from when I "stabbed" the spored knife into the agar.

Clone was going straight to grain but do you think it can still be possibly contaminated? For sure growing out the spores more. Guess im lucky my tiny inculation spot hasnt contaminated as of yet if at all.

Cool so ill be starting flush 3 tonight then! Thx again.


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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: kayo]
    #25118331 - 04/06/18 02:34 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

oh i thought the center was a piece of tissue, and the right pic had 3 cuts where you dragged your spore covered knife. :shrug:

I've been taking from spores day after I see germination, then let that first transfer grow out, again I'm not 100% sure but it's workin for me so far.

Your clone could be contaminated. You might not see the contam right away. Let myc grow out and transfer it atleast twice on plates to ensure it's clean.


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