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Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread
    #24938841 - 01/24/18 03:57 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Hi all, first timer here. Been lurking around for a while soaking up info and planning out my first attempt. Ill use this thread to post setup and progress/panic pics up for all your entertainment/criticizing needs.

1)Day 1: Bought premade, wondering if I should resteralize.

01/24/18: So I didnt resterilize anything. Honestly, after looking at these jars im not very confident theyre very good. For starters shipping shakes things up which isnt good and when I removed the foil there was verm on the lid. Not very confident with the dry layer now but I decided to risk it anyway. I cleaned and flamed the needle and almost killed myself spraying copious amounts of 2 different disinfectants sprays so ... :goodluck:

Needle kept clogging up, probably went in too hot and it "cooked" in the needle. #NoobieMistakes Thanks to the extra pressure I had to do I ended up inserting way more spores than I wanted to. 12cc in 6x 1/2 pints :shrug: I wanted GTs next anyway.

Oh I also left the foil cover on at least for a few days. IF top layer really is compromised I figure a few days fully covered can only help. Hell I may just leave it with micropore tape on for most of colonization.

2) Day 1: Making stealth rig out of metal file cabinet, wondering about amount of lights, airflow, FC type.

01/24/18: No progress on stealth rig yet (rough week). Unless I learn something different ill go with original plan of a shotgun FC inside the file cabinet with a 120mm computer fan and a small 6000K LED strip above. Both will be on at night, completely off during the day. My main concern is 8+ hours of  constant airflow at night will dry it up too much so I may just tape half the holes and adjust. Then there is the 8+ hours its off with no real air flow... shouldnt be a problem right? No one can FAE 24hrs a day?



*** Update 2/06/18: Mycelium progress, Lights and initial testing.

***Update 2/12/18 and 02/13/18: Mycelium at 80% and Stelath rig tests.

***Update  02/21/18 More tests, with "Cakes"

*** Update 02/21/18: Contam! Damn Damn Damn!

***Update 2/26/18: Birthed and Buried Bad Cake


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: kayo]
    #24938967 - 01/24/18 04:54 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Search for stealth grows or cabinet grows to get some good tips. You should be able to grow in that. I am curious about your fan intervals though.

Go ahead and re-sterilize the jars. I'm sure they are fine but if you have problems later you can troubleshoot better.

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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: kayo]
    #24939056 - 01/24/18 05:33 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

That is a cool look. You'll probably need to get a timer to kick the fan on during the day though. I wouldn't go all day with no fanning personally. I fan at least 3-4 times a day. I just got a Christmas tree light timer at the dollar store for $4. I have it coming on for 4 minutes every 3 hours when I'm away from home. I have a mini greenhouse too, almost like a home made Martha, and I'm using a computer fan to suck the Co2 out. Its 5'x2'x2' and that little fan seems to work great. I think that fan will work for you. But I'm not an expert. I just wing everything and experiment.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Meatflap]
    #24939062 - 01/24/18 05:36 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

As for your jars, I'm not sure what you should do. I would think they might dry up. They would have been made to field capacity at the time they were made, so letting them sit might make the dry out a little. I'm not 100% sure on that though. Does anyone else know about this?


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Meatflap]
    #24939232 - 01/24/18 06:39 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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... I am curious about your fan intervals though.

Go ahead and re-sterilize the jars. I'm sure they are fine but if you have problems later you can troubleshoot better.

Good luck!




Thanks, I saw a few through a google search before but just saw some interesting ones searching here directly. Some of them look like theyre lit more for growing plants though :eek:.

Well the plan was get the fan running overnight with the light cycle.  Manual FAE seems to be handful of times during the day so I figured a 8-12h constant airflow every night would do the trick. You guys saying I should still open the actual FC up to fan it daily? Nosy tenants might get curious about the sound coming from the corner of the closet if its on while im out but I can probably attach some rubber frames or something.

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As for your jars, I'm not sure what you should do. I would think they might dry up. They would have been made to field capacity at the time they were made, so letting them sit might make the dry out a little. I'm not 100% sure on that though. Does anyone else know about this?




Its possible but I doubt dryness would be an issue in just a week. Theyre still covered and wrapped in bubble wrap so I doubt im losing any significant moisture. Honestly my main concern is shipping most likely shook up the dry verm layer but there is not much I can do about that other than start over.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: RuxBux] * 2
    #24939278 - 01/24/18 06:53 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Search for stealth grows or cabinet grows to get some good tips. You should be able to grow in that. I am curious about your fan intervals though.

Go ahead and re-sterilize the jars. I'm sure they are fine but if you have problems later you can troubleshoot better.

Good luck!



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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Tormato]
    #24963051 - 02/03/18 12:03 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

UPDATE 2/2/18: I inoculated on Sunday and began noticing the mycelium finally started showing up yesterday (day 4). Small amount, wasnt even sure until today so I took pics. Nice and white. Finally removed the foil covers and put some micropore tape over the holes instead. Ill remove them once its around 50%. No contamination that I can see so far.

Also mostly done with the file cabinet rig. Still need to touch up and clean thoroughly but all the functional stuff is up and running. Took some pics.

First for some facepalms... my "Oven Tek" :evil:


Jars with mycelium starting:


Simple cabinet set up, Ill be turning this on at night, off during the day, more or less 50/50. Both lights and fans will be on at the same time. The FC im planning to have in there so far is an SGFC but thinking of making it less "porous" at least at first since ill have active airflow going all night.



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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: kayo] * 1
    #24963594 - 02/03/18 09:15 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

You have my attention still :popcorn:


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Tormato] * 1
    #24969077 - 02/05/18 04:23 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

That is turning out a lot better than I thought it would. I'm seriously impressed.


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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: kayo]
    #24972082 - 02/06/18 07:48 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Hi all, first timer here. Been lurking around for a while soaking up info and planning out my first attempt. Ill use this thread to post setup and progress/panic pics up for all your entertainment/criticizing needs.

1)Day 1: Bought premade, wondering if I should resteralize.

01/24/18: So I didnt resterilize anything. Honestly, after looking at these jars im not very confident theyre very good. For starters shipping shakes things up which isnt good and when I removed the foil there was verm on the lid. Not very confident with the dry layer now but I decided to risk it anyway. I cleaned and flamed the needle and almost killed myself spraying copious amounts of 2 different disinfectants sprays so ... :goodluck:

Needle kept clogging up, probably went in too hot and it "cooked" in the needle. #NoobieMistakes Thanks to the extra pressure I had to do I ended up inserting way more spores than I wanted to. 12cc in 6x 1/2 pints :shrug: I wanted GTs next anyway.

Oh I also left the foil cover on at least for a few days. IF top layer really is compromised I figure a few days fully covered can only help. Hell I may just leave it with micropore tape on for most of colonization.

2) Day 1: Making stealth rig out of metal file cabinet, wondering about amount of lights, airflow, FC type.

01/24/18: No progress on stealth rig yet (rough week). Unless I learn something different ill go with original plan of a shotgun FC inside the file cabinet with a 120mm computer fan and a small 6000K LED strip above. Both will be on at night, completely off during the day. My main concern is 8+ hours of  constant airflow at night will dry it up too much so I may just tape half the holes and adjust. Then there is the 8+ hours its off with no real air flow... shouldnt be a problem right? No one can FAE 24hrs a day?








I see you mentioned using a 6000k led strip light.

I saw it recommended that a fluorescent be used over an LED. Anyone care to chime in as to why this might matter. Would fluorescent have a broader spectrum maybe...?


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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: pndmnm] * 1
    #24972118 - 02/06/18 08:04 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Pretty sure it’s heat


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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: Tormato]
    #24972147 - 02/06/18 08:19 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Pretty sure it’s heat




That can't be it. More energy is converted into heat with CFLs compared to LEDs.

Just checked all the bulbs currently running in my house. 23 w CFL at 1600 lumens, 9 w LED at 750 lumens, 12 W LED at 1010 lumens. That breaks down to 69.6 LM/W for my remaining 23 W CFLs, 83.3 LM/W for the 9 W LEDs, and 84.2 LM/W for the 12 W LEDs.

The energy not going into light is going into heat.

Switched most of the house over to LEDs a year ago and haven't had one fail yet. That's impressive atop the efficiency.

I only asked as I went with 6000k LEDs for my lighting. I'm gonna roll with it regardless. It's what is providing the light for my "who gives a shit "tek"" and some BRF cakes.


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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: pndmnm]
    #24972189 - 02/06/18 08:38 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Pretty sure it’s heat




That can't be it. More energy is converted into heat with CFLs compared to LEDs.

Just checked all the bulbs currently running in my house. 23 w CFL at 1600 lumens, 9 w LED at 750 lumens, 12 W LED at 1010 lumens. That breaks down to 69.6 LM/W for my remaining 23 W CFLs, 83.3 LM/W for the 9 W LEDs, and 84.2 LM/W for the 12 W LEDs.

The energy not going into light is going into heat.



I’m pretty sure I’m wrong :lol: my bad


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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: Tormato]
    #24972228 - 02/06/18 08:48 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

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Quote:

Tormato said:
Pretty sure it’s heat




That can't be it. More energy is converted into heat with CFLs compared to LEDs.

Just checked all the bulbs currently running in my house. 23 w CFL at 1600 lumens, 9 w LED at 750 lumens, 12 W LED at 1010 lumens. That breaks down to 69.6 LM/W for my remaining 23 W CFLs, 83.3 LM/W for the 9 W LEDs, and 84.2 LM/W for the 12 W LEDs.

The energy not going into light is going into heat.



I’m pretty sure I’m wrong :lol: my bad




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Re: Another "my first (stealth) grow" thread [Re: pndmnm]
    #24972362 - 02/06/18 09:48 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Trust me I’ll be the first to admit it if I’m wrong :lol:

TBH I miss read the post...thought It was LED over Florescent....I shouldn’t Shroomery and drive :lol:


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Meatflap]
    #24972473 - 02/06/18 10:32 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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That is turning out a lot better than I thought it would. I'm seriously impressed.




lol, thanks ill try not to disappoint you all.

As for the lights, fluorescents can get pretty hot, ive been burned by those big T8s before. These LEDs I can touch and barely feel any heat.

These are the extact lights im using. I had them laying around from before.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0132NM7C0/

Ive checked the temps after a full run in the morning and it seems to get to 78-79F, an increase of about 4-5F from the surrounding area. Bit much for fruiting iirc so im thinking of removing a few LEDs. TBH it seems pretty bright in there anyway, even with just 6.

First im going to do a few days of dummy runs with a full set up, minus the cakes. I ordered a digital thermometer/hygrometer that keeps track of the lowest and highest values reached to make sure things stay within parameters.

Hopefully for both day and night for at least 24hrs  :goodluck:

Now for some sexy mycelium porn


Coming in nicely so far. One on the right seems to be spreading up under the lid but otherwise im happy. Dare I say im even getting cautiously optimistic. :laugh:


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    #24972857 - 02/07/18 02:33 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: kayo] * 1
    #24972982 - 02/07/18 04:38 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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That is turning out a lot better than I thought it would. I'm seriously impressed.




lol, thanks ill try not to disappoint you all.

As for the lights, fluorescents can get pretty hot, ive been burned by those big T8s before. These LEDs I can touch and barely feel any heat.

These are the extact lights im using. I had them laying around from before.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0132NM7C0/

Ive checked the temps after a full run in the morning and it seems to get to 78-79F, an increase of about 4-5F from the surrounding area. Bit much for fruiting iirc so im thinking of removing a few LEDs. TBH it seems pretty bright in there anyway, even with just 6.

First im going to do a few days of dummy runs with a full set up, minus the cakes. I ordered a digital thermometer/hygrometer that keeps track of the lowest and highest values reached to make sure things stay within parameters.

Hopefully for both day and night for at least 24hrs  :goodluck:

Now for some sexy mycelium porn


Coming in nicely so far. One on the right seems to be spreading up under the lid but otherwise im happy. Dare I say im even getting cautiously optimistic. :laugh:



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    #24973080 - 02/07/18 07:30 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

:popcorn: looks like a sweet little set up, definitely want to see how this goes.


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Re: Another "first first grow" thread [Re: Sally Hatchet]
    #24990037 - 02/12/18 11:35 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

02/12/18:
Hello, back again with another update. Ok so mycelium is still kicking ass. Feels like I lucked out lol, no contamination that I can see anywhere, no weird colors or smells. Most are around 80% or more colonized except one, which I call "the runt" (bottom left), still has a chunk of the other side to take over. Didnt get any germination on that side for some reason.

Theyre compressing quite a bit in there too. Hopefully no pins start showing already. Should I put them somewhere dark now that theyre almost done? Im guessing a week from next Wednesday theyll be ready to go!



Ran a test of the rig last night. I only have a 16 quart (technically 32) so I didnt do the 2 inch grid everywhere, just one row at the bottom under the perlite 3 more rows all around the sides and 4 rows above. I rinsed and dumped about 3 inches of wet perlite in and checked the stats.

Temps were great between 72 and 78F the entire time, pretty much just whatever the room temp is.

Humidity does drop to 74% when the fan is on but with it off it sits at a nice 93-97%. At least we know FAE works! Does that mean I dont need the fan somehow? Thinking ill have give in and do some sort of timer set up. Run the fan a few minutes every hour or something. For now im running another trial tonight with some holes covered see if that helps. :laugh:

More pics!


02/13/2018:
Still too dry this morning while the fan/lights were on 8+ hours, 78%. Fan may be too close to the FC once its closed in ill try sealing all the holes on top side. SO far the covered holes only really helped increase about 4%. TBH im not sure its a good test set up as is. For starters I think ill add another inch of Perlite when the time comes (used all I had left). Plus the cakes themselves will probably add to the humidity.

This weekend, when I have more time ill add that extra inch of perlite and maybe "simulate" the cakes by putting in 6 damp paper towels in place to see how much they dry up overnight. *crosses fingers*

Btw, any comments, suggestions or red flags welcome. :laugh:


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