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Yet another shrooms potency issue
    #24932983 - 01/22/18 04:26 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Hi shroomers!
I'm dubious about some issues regarding my cultivation, I hope you can help me. I'll try to be as clear as possible in the description.
Currently I have two separate batches of cubes (v. cambodia), same spore print but one is much older than the other.
They have made many flushes and as of the last month I was indeed satisfied of the result.
The problem is that sometimes these shrooms give absolutely no effect (neither on me or my friends) while other times they are just fine. I'm talking about the same dosage (2g dried or 20g fresh) and zero tolerance since we wait every time at least 12 days.
I know, this gives you no clue at all so I'll try to suggest some variables:

- first and foremost, I thought the fault was related to the desiccator (it has a max temperature of 70 degrees C, but it is not modular so the heating component just goes 100% and delays depending on the setted temperature. This makes sense to me (at least for then) because I ate with a friend (BTW he was a first-timer!) the aforesaid fresh dose and had little to no effect. These shrooms were putted in the desiccator for about one hour, just the time to wait my friend.

- The shrooms, as getting "older" in flushes exponentially lose their concentration of psilocin/cybin. (is this even possible?)

I thought the problem was indeed the desiccator, and I've removed the heating component (but as now I had not the opportunity to try this with new flushes).
The problem is that yesterday I've eaten 10g dried with other people and everyone indeed had a strong effect, but these shrooms were dried (cracker dried for many many hours) in the same desiccator at the same temp! In this case the heating issue seems totally unrelated. Some time ago instead I ate 2g of the same batch, and had NO effect, absoluteley zero.
I'm really confused, I cannot find any other variables and this upsets me. since we're talking about same myceliums, dosages, conditions, etc.
Hope you can suggest some other causes. Thanks a lot! :smile:

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Re: Yet another shrooms potency issue [Re: Alpac]
    #24933001 - 01/22/18 04:55 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

How many different cultures have you grown out?
Go back to spores and grow a few tubs out select clones and grow them (keep the plates n label everything) and test each at 3 grams with an empty stomach drink 8- 10oz of oj(haft a bottle).
Poor conditions make poor results, make sure the culture is clean n healthy.

Ive experienced weaker flushes around the 3- 4th but with ms.


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Re: Yet another shrooms potency issue [Re: LemurLemur]
    #24933036 - 01/22/18 05:44 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you for the heads up. Currently I've grown 2 rye cakes (Ecuador and Cambodia) and 30 Pftek cakes from these spores, plus other cakes with albino a+.
The cakes we're talking about are the selected spore ones.
The conditions are also in my opinion quite good, they are fruiting and the shrooms bruise as usual.
I'll surely try your suggestion, but anyways I cannot understand how is possible that even shrooms from the same harvest (dessiccated together, kept in the same zip bag) sometimes have effect and sometimes do not.
You said about flushes but I haven't understood, what does ms mean?
Thanks, have a nice day!

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Re: Yet another shrooms potency issue [Re: Alpac]
    #24933044 - 01/22/18 05:57 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Just take more man I find 2 grams is on the edge for me either noting or a slight buzz just smash 4g and see if you have a problem still

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Re: Yet another shrooms potency issue [Re: Alpac]
    #24933054 - 01/22/18 06:05 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Ms is multispore, meaning you used a syringe with millions of different mushroom spores to obtain your grow.

In my opinion 2 grams has never done to much to me with cubes.. an average dose is 3.5 cracker dried grams, up your dose and I'm sure you will have noticeable effects.

But sometimes the same batch of shrooms some will be more potent by weight imo then others it's just how genetics and size differences work.

But anytime me and my pals wounder into the cosmic nexus I'll never give them less then 3 grams cause if I do I find they are all extremely underwhelmed and left wishing they woulda took the leap.

I've personally been working my way in dosage, Friday night I had my first 7 gram + trip and it was fabulous! Almost dmt like closed eye visuals and everything open eyed was dancing before my eyes lol even the walls and ceiling were shifting on me and I couldn't walk for a good hour and a half cause my legs felt like jelly.

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Re: Yet another shrooms potency issue [Re: Mitchell1992]
    #24933058 - 01/22/18 06:09 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Yes this is highly personal, but the fact is that usually for me a standard dose is roughly 1.5-2g and sometimes it is a nice trip and sometimes it doesn't give you even the numbness effect. And this is for me and the other people. Yesterday we had a nice trip with 2g, a month ago with 3g of the same harvest I had not any effect, not me neither my friend. Couldn't explain this is any way.

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Re: Yet another shrooms potency issue [Re: Alpac]
    #24933066 - 01/22/18 06:18 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not sure then man, I've yet to take any dose of my grows and not have any effects.

The lowest dose I've ever taken though was 1.9 grams and I lemon tek'd it, if I hadn't done the lemon method I probably wouldn't have had the effects I did.

How are you guys consuming the shrooms?

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Re: Yet another shrooms potency issue [Re: Shrooms4life]
    #24933067 - 01/22/18 06:19 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you for the explanation. Indeed mine are multispores, as the 1st generation grew from a syringe and the others were from its prints.
The dosage as always is too personal, but the fact that me and my friends perceive or not the effect all together is quite a strong argument.
Idk, yesterday I took the shrooms quite hopeless, I think they wouldn't even kick in, instead we had a nice trip.
I'll increase the dosage anyways.
You know, afterall everyone is looking for his desired effect, I had too some intense trips (maybe not as yours :laugh: but I had a crazy blotter last year) but sometimes a light trip is the sweet spot :wink:

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Re: Yet another shrooms potency issue [Re: Shrooms4life]
    #24933077 - 01/22/18 06:24 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

The easy way, fresh or dryed with some water. Never tried tea tek or anything like that but I'll surely try the lemon tek you suggested and the orange juice one..

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Re: Yet another shrooms potency issue [Re: Alpac]
    #24933085 - 01/22/18 06:35 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Lemon tek makes whatever dose your taking like 2x stronger and hits you way faster but only last like 3-4 hours instead of 6

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Re: Yet another shrooms potency issue [Re: Shrooms4life]
    #24933283 - 01/22/18 09:08 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I'll surely try this out next time. Hope to understand the cause of this issue

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Re: Yet another shrooms potency issue [Re: Alpac]
    #24933295 - 01/22/18 09:13 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

They need to go in the dessicatior (dehydrator) at 160-170F (75C)
For at least 8 hours(small shrooms) but I would leave it on at least 12. Sometimes big shrooms take closer to 24 hours.

100g wet should be about 7-8g dry.
Cubes are closer to 92-93% water in my experience.

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Re: Yet another shrooms potency issue [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24933312 - 01/22/18 09:22 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I concure

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Re: Yet another shrooms potency issue [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24933619 - 01/22/18 11:42 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, in this case I literally have not any clue about the loss of potency. Btw to be 100% clear this desiccator is not designed  to dry shrooms, it has not any thermistor that checks the temps and as far as I know it SHOULD reach max 70 degrees, but the real temps are unknown.
In any case I'll replug the heater to see if there will be any difference regarding the potency

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Re: Yet another shrooms potency issue [Re: Alpac] * 1
    #24933684 - 01/22/18 12:08 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Even if it hit 100c it would be better than drying at room temperature

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Re: Yet another shrooms potency issue [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24933742 - 01/22/18 12:38 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Your dehydrater isn't the issue. Those temps don't come close to destroying any actives. Probably just the MS genetic lottery effect.

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Re: Yet another shrooms potency issue [Re: Icezizim]
    #24933895 - 01/22/18 01:47 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, thank you all for the heads up, I'll definitely plug again the heater, which was my first doubt. Concerning the rest of the question, at this point I hope that the problem is related to the bad genetics question. However, remains a mystery how is possible that every time either we all feel effects or not :laugh: :laugh:

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Re: Yet another shrooms potency issue [Re: Alpac]
    #24934009 - 01/22/18 02:35 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)























Not sure they posted right also just throwing shot out there


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Re: Yet another shrooms potency issue [Re: Alpac]
    #24934060 - 01/22/18 02:59 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Noob advice: move to agar, take clones and leave MS behind. You should be able to get more consistent potency from a cloned culture.

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Re: Yet another shrooms potency issue [Re: Ullr]
    #24934110 - 01/22/18 03:19 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Try four or five grams doses

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Re: Yet another shrooms potency issue [Re: Netdawg]
    #24935195 - 01/22/18 11:46 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you all for the reply and for posting that explanatory chart.
Ok, at this point I am assuming that this should somehow be related to ms, even if honestly I'm still confused... but I don't want to overthink it. Asap I'll try out the agar tek, I have found a nice link here on shroomery.
Bad luck, it was so comfortable and easy to inoculate just with spores, anyways I was already curios to try out some more difficult teks so I'll take this as an opportunity to improve.
Thank you all, have a nice day! :smile:

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