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flyhighfunguy


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Top fruiting jar finally pinning! What Next?
#24931878 - 01/21/18 04:57 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hi everyone, about 2 weeks ago i cased a bacterial Cubensis jar with about 1.5 inches of CVG.
Today i checked on them and i noticed the first sign of pins. They are all side pins and im not seeing any on the top yet.
Should i start misting or anything? It is not finished colonizing yet but it already started pinning, so im a little stuck on what to do.

Any advice is appreciated. Thanks
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Re: Top fruiting jar finally pinning! What Next? [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#24931905 - 01/21/18 05:11 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's pinning before full colonization due to it trying to outrun the contams and drop spores to live out it's life cycle before the nasty shit kills it.
I would mist the top only when it looks dry
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Re: Top fruiting jar finally pinning! What Next? [Re: Shrooms4life]
#24931908 - 01/21/18 05:13 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Shrooms4life said: It's pinning before full colonization due to it trying to outrun the contams and drop spores to live out it's life cycle before the nasty shit kills it.
? that's a coir casing bro
 what do you do now? nothing. that's the best part. you do fucking nothing. the top should stay plenty moist mist it if needed IF NEEDED. you can also bottom water once the pinset comes in pour some water down the sides til it comes up about an inch. and dump it out after a while if it doesn't absorb fully.
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Re: Top fruiting jar finally pinning! What Next? [Re: bodhisatta]
#24931916 - 01/21/18 05:15 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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Shrooms4life said: It's pinning before full colonization due to it trying to outrun the contams and drop spores to live out it's life cycle before the nasty shit kills it.
? that's a coir casing bro
 what do you do now? nothing. that's the best part. you do fucking nothing. the top should stay plenty moist mist it if needed IF NEEDED. you can also bottom water once the pinset comes in pour some water down the sides til it comes up about an inch. and dump it out after a while if it doesn't absorb fully.
Why would op put a coir casing like 3in thick? My bad.
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flyhighfunguy


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Re: Top fruiting jar finally pinning! What Next? [Re: bodhisatta]
#24931918 - 01/21/18 05:15 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sweet thank you, seeing my first pins is so exciting 
Theres no droplets of water on the myc that is poking out on top, so do you think i should give it a mist?
And i was actually going to ask about bottom watering, i heard it is the only way to get a substantial yield. Will the water just sit ontop of the casing? And how can i tell when i need to dump it?
EDIT: Shrooms4life: Its 1.5 inches, and that is what was recommended to me by users on here. They said it would be very difficult to fruit without a thick casing.
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Edited by flyhighfunguy (01/21/18 05:16 PM)
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Re: Top fruiting jar finally pinning! What Next? [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#24931923 - 01/21/18 05:17 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would never make a casing more than 3/4" thick and I think 1/2" is plenty
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flyhighfunguy


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Re: Top fruiting jar finally pinning! What Next? [Re: bodhisatta]
#24931928 - 01/21/18 05:19 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Damn, im not sure why they recommended an inch to an inch and a half then will this thick casing cause any major problems?
Should i give it a misting every time there are no droplets on the myc ontop, like you would with any other tub?
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Edited by flyhighfunguy (01/21/18 05:19 PM)
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Re: Top fruiting jar finally pinning! What Next? [Re: bodhisatta]
#24931938 - 01/21/18 05:21 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
nothing. that's the best part. you do fucking nothing. the top should stay plenty moist mist it if needed IF NEEDED. you can also bottom water once the pinset comes in pour some water down the sides til it comes up about an inch. and dump it out after a while if it doesn't absorb fully.
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Re: Top fruiting jar finally pinning! What Next? [Re: bodhisatta]
#24931951 - 01/21/18 05:25 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yea i saw that i'm just not exactly sure when its needed. This is my first grow ever.
Right now theres no droplets of water on top of the myc so i think its needed right? I just dont want to mess things up.
Edit: And also, should i let the pins grow to above an inch and then bottom water, or is ok if they are completely submerged in the water?
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Edited by flyhighfunguy (01/21/18 05:26 PM)
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Re: Top fruiting jar finally pinning! What Next? [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#24932287 - 01/21/18 08:05 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes... It sounds like you should mist the top lightly IF there is no droplets. Also you don't want to add "that much" water when bottom watering... bodhissata told you to only add water UNTIL the water level was AN INCH from the BOTTOM of the jar. Do not add so much to where it is all the way at the top, where the pins are! 
Personally I would probably pour the excess water out after 20 mins or so after bottom watering tho, and I would use distilled water instead of tap unless it is filtered.
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flyhighfunguy


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Ohhh for some reason i thought that the water would sit on top of the casing lol, that makes much more sense.
And i think i was misunderstanding what he said. I thought he meant that it would stay plenty moist on its own, but he must have meant that i should keep it plenty moist through misting.
EDIT: Also i just thought of this. Is it fine to bottom water if the bottom of this jar is bacterial?
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Edited by flyhighfunguy (01/21/18 08:40 PM)
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Re: Top fruiting jar finally pinning! What Next? [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#24932418 - 01/21/18 08:52 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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flyhighfunguy said:
EDIT: Also i just thought of this. Is it fine to bottom water if the bottom of this jar is bacterial?
That I'm not sure about....it could possibly help spread the bacteria, so maybe just stick to misting the top layer of casing (small amounts more often, rather than heavy mistings occasionally, you want any pooling to dry up within a half hour or so)
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flyhighfunguy


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Damn alright, i was hoping i could bottom water because many people say thats the only way to a substantial yield
If the water dries up within half an hour does that mean i need to mist every half an hour? Also there didnt seem to be pooling when i misted, just little droplets wherever the myc is popping through.
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Re: Top fruiting jar finally pinning! What Next? [Re: bodhisatta]
#24932596 - 01/21/18 10:09 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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If it's your first grow, your best bet is to do
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bodhisatta said: nothing. that's the best part. you do fucking nothing.
I know it's hard, I was so worried about my first one and fanning and misting and pinning that I contaminated the whole thing.
Seriously, just walk away for a day or two. If it flushes, it flushes. If it doesn't, well, it was already contaminated with bacteria, you should just assume those are dead jars. Anything they produce is bonus.
I would also put it away from the rest of your jars.
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Re: Top fruiting jar finally pinning! What Next? [Re: Kryptos]
#24932613 - 01/21/18 10:15 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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So even if i don't see any droplets on the myc you recommend just leaving it?
And what about bottom watering once the pinset comes in?
Its definitely hard not to mess with it but if thats what you think is best thats what ill do.
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Edited by flyhighfunguy (01/21/18 10:19 PM)
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Re: Top fruiting jar finally pinning! What Next? [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#24934593 - 01/22/18 06:37 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Does anyone know for sure if its alright to bottom water a bacterial jar?
Its only a small spot on the bottom that never finished colonizing due to being bacterial, and now has a slightly yellow look to it.
If not, do you think i can still get an alright yield without it?
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Re: Top fruiting jar finally pinning! What Next? [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#24934669 - 01/22/18 06:59 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well buddy I think your total yield from a jar like that is only gonna be like 3 or 4 mushies at the most I would think, second flush may give you a couple more if that jar takes you that far.... I wouldn't bottom water it if it was mine I dont think... Just mist the top layer every couple of hours if it needs it, just keep an eye on the grain underneath the top casing layer and make sure it isn't staying wet.
Too much moisture in the grains will breed more bacteria and encourage fermentation. So don't over mist and I probably would not bottom water.
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Alright cool i definitely wont bottom water then.
How would you go about trying to get a second flush? Just pick the mushies and then give the casing a heavy misting?
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Re: Top fruiting jar finally pinning! What Next? [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#24934727 - 01/22/18 07:21 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well after I harvested my first flush I would inspect the jar and look at the grains.... If they look clean and not yucky by then, THEN I would maybe consider pouring some water along the sides to bottom water the grains. You could bottom water for 1,2,3 hours... But I wouldn't leave water in there longer than that and then dump it out and resume regular fruiting and wait for more pins (3-5 days approx.)
But I will say, I'm just speaking from general knowledge of growing as I have never actually "top-fruited" a jar, so I don't know how that jar will be after your first flush weeks from now, but i have grown lots of mushies by bulk technique!
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So as long as they still look the same as they do now you'd recommend a bottom water? The bottom part that isnt colonized is definitely a little bacterial looking already (Slightly slimy yellow appearance), but it hasnt spread at all.
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