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Codeinecowboy
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Doesn’t make sense... (Grain)
#24928055 - 01/20/18 01:01 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey guys second attempt with grain going, long time user of cakes but it’s a hassle making 20+ of them st once so I was going to switch to grain. When I’m using cakes I typically get 0% contamination, I boil my syringe then suck boiling water up 4 times and get the syringe as clean as possible before making a syringe, I spray my sab with Lysol and wipe it down with wipes clean myself throughly and sanitize with alcohol. My grain never works. I washed it till the water ran clear then soaked for around 20 hours then put it on the stove and brought it to a simmer. Then steam dried and PCd for 110 minutes. Let completely cool and didn’t take the tinfoil off until they were in the SAB and I still only took em off 1 at a time. My inoc port uses poly and micro pore and I took all the normal precautions to keep from contaminating.
I nocced up all my quart jars on the 10th and there is 0 signs of colonization in any of them except in one pint jar I did a afar transfer too, it’s going green I think
I don’t understand what I’m doing wrong. In my colonization room temps are a bit low prob 17C but still that shouldn’t impact it to much
I’m trying to get to the root of my problem here please help me get through this. I can get pics of everything and anything needed.
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Germs
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What grain are you using, looks like milo? Could be that there is too much moisture content, I would opt out of doing the simmer.
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Codeinecowboy
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Re: Doesn’t make sense... (Grain) [Re: natedog889]
#24928170 - 01/20/18 01:18 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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That’s WBS I was told that you need to bring to a simmer, there’s cracked corn tho idk if that makes a difference
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natedog889
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Codeinecowboy said: That’s WBS I was told that you need to bring to a simmer, there’s cracked corn tho idk if that makes a difference
Cracked Corns=Easy Access
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Shrooms4life
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Re: Doesn’t make sense... (Grain) [Re: natedog889]
#24928308 - 01/20/18 01:24 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why not just use oats? They are cheap as hell and are easy to do and no picking out the bs.
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Codeinecowboy
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Re: Doesn’t make sense... (Grain) [Re: Shrooms4life]
#24928312 - 01/20/18 01:26 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have a 35lb bag of WBS and I was told that’s its great so I’m going to use that
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Germs
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Re: Doesn’t make sense... (Grain) [Re: Shrooms4life]
#24928313 - 01/20/18 01:26 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Shrooms4life said: Why not just use oats? They are cheap as hell and are easy to do and no picking out the bs.
That’s debatable.
OP, I would just do a soak and strain method, simmering with wbs can easily release too much starch. Also, the less cracked corn the better
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Re: Doesn’t make sense... (Grain) [Re: Germs]
#24928408 - 01/20/18 01:33 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes but still, at the very least I would get one jar colonized or at least partially without contaminating all of them are probably going to contam and I’ll have wasted 5.5qts of grain
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Shrooms4life
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Re: Doesn’t make sense... (Grain) [Re: Germs]
#24928556 - 01/20/18 01:39 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Germs said:
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Shrooms4life said: Why not just use oats? They are cheap as hell and are easy to do and no picking out the bs.
That’s debatable.
OP, I would just do a soak and strain method, simmering with wbs can easily release too much starch. Also, the less cracked corn the better
How is it debatable?? I can get a 15 pound bag of wbs for like 12$ or get a 50lb bag of oats for 13.24, I don't have to pick out anything what so ever... I load then in a pot with water, boil till some have popped, steam dry and pc.
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Germs
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Re: Doesn’t make sense... (Grain) [Re: Shrooms4life]
#24928863 - 01/20/18 01:55 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Shrooms4life said:
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Germs said:
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Shrooms4life said: Why not just use oats? They are cheap as hell and are easy to do and no picking out the bs.
That’s debatable.
OP, I would just do a soak and strain method, simmering with wbs can easily release too much starch. Also, the less cracked corn the better
How is it debatable?? I can get a 15 pound bag of wbs for like 12$ or get a 50lb bag of oats for 13.24, I don't have to pick out anything what so ever... I load then in a pot with water, boil till some have popped, steam dry and pc.
In the bags of oats I’ve bought they have all sorts of other random grains, twigs, cracked corn etc not to mention the oats are somewhat grimy/sticky to the touch.
Cost is not what is debatable, ease of preparation is. Of course it is all an opinion but collective results from this forum would show most beginners have a hard time starting off with oats vs wbs.
I’ve had great grows with both oats and wbs and have found wbs to be “easier”
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Re: Doesn’t make sense... (Grain) [Re: Germs]
#24929448 - 01/20/18 03:04 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Are you just shooting spores into your grain?
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sMileHighCity
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Re: Doesn’t make sense... (Grain) [Re: RomeoPapa]
#24929478 - 01/20/18 03:15 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I use oats and all I do is PC them for 20@15psi. Let pressure build down over 30 minutes. Steam dry for 30 mins. Load in jars and pc 90@15psi.
The only foreign things I ever find are black eye peas in there. lol
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Germs
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sMileHighCity said: I use oats and all I do is PC them for 20@15psi. Let pressure build down over 30 minutes. Steam dry for 30 mins. Load in jars and pc 90@15psi.
The only foreign things I ever find are black eye peas in there. lol
You pressure cook the oats before drying, loading up, and PC’ing again? Interesting, my first time hearing that
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RomeoPapa
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So you load your jars twice? Or you just put the grain in the pc loose then strain?
I bet those are random soy beans in with your oats and not black eye peas. I could be wrong tho.
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Re: Doesn’t make sense... (Grain) [Re: RomeoPapa]
#24929498 - 01/20/18 03:25 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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He uses pressure to hydrate his oats then loads them to sterilize.
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RomeoPapa
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Re: Doesn’t make sense... (Grain) [Re: natedawgnow]
#24929502 - 01/20/18 03:27 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sounds like a PITA to me, but that's what's great about this hobby. Everyone does things a little different to suit their own style.
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Germs
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Re: Doesn’t make sense... (Grain) [Re: natedawgnow]
#24929530 - 01/20/18 03:38 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: He uses pressure to hydrate his oats then loads them to sterilize.
I get that, just sounds like an uncommon way of doing it
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Re: Doesn’t make sense... (Grain) [Re: RomeoPapa]
#24929572 - 01/20/18 04:02 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Germs said: You pressure cook the oats before drying, loading up, and PC’ing again? Interesting, my first time hearing that
I put my oats in the PC w/ gyps. Fill with 3" water above grains. Place lid and weight on pc. Once at 15 I set a timer for 20 minutes. Once time is up I cut the heat and wait 30minutes. After place in sink in strainer for 30-60 minutes. Shaking and stirring from time to time.
Has worked really well for me. Still tweaking the time I wait to take out of PC after pressure drops.
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I bet those are random soy beans in with your oats and not black eye peas. I could be wrong tho.
I bet you're right
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Zachsonpub
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It is an odd way of doing it, but interesting. Since you're not venting at all, you're pressure cooking it with mostly air and a little steam and essentially just boiling?
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