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bootsy222
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#24927398 - 01/20/18 07:03 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hello all, I have a couple of questions for those who have been around for a while. Is using a fish tank bubbler for air exchange in a monotub an outdated method? Just curious as I am trying to read all of the updated teks and eliminate outdated information from my methods while dialing in these 2 Argentina monos and g2g'ing some Brazilian and R. Honduras varieties of cubensis.
Also about to start dabbling in more exotic strains, preparing to start this print of galindoi on some agar and go from there. Can I g2g this strain just as I would cubes? I've read the mycelium isn't as tough and doesn't appreciate a good shake as much as cubes do.
Much thanks in advance!
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Re: outdated information [Re: bootsy222]
#24927422 - 01/20/18 07:26 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Skip the bubbler. Limit your searches to the last 5 years.
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Re: outdated information [Re: JHOVA]
#24927427 - 01/20/18 07:29 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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A monotub requires only the appropriate ambient temps and the heat/gas exchange caused by the myc
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bootsy222
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Right on, I had a feeling all it was doing was drying out the sub. Thank you.
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Re: outdated information [Re: JHOVA]
#24927437 - 01/20/18 07:42 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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JHOVA said: last 5 years.
shit id say 2 years. Even last year we got towels on sab floors, a few gboxes, spraying iso or bleach or other wacky shit..
Pasteurization of coir Liners preventing side pins LCs needing gas exchange
List goes on...
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Re: outdated information [Re: mushboy]
#24927441 - 01/20/18 07:46 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ziran had a thread on outdated shit. Those would be good additions or maybe a new one is in order.
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Re: outdated information [Re: mushboy]
#24927444 - 01/20/18 07:48 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I still have a towel on my sab but,that's just cause I like it. I just keeps my racks from sliding. some coir should be pasteurized, not most... Give me one good reason liners are outdated mushboy. I'm waiting...
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Re: outdated information [Re: JHOVA]
#24927445 - 01/20/18 07:49 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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He does! That is wise
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Re: outdated information [Re: mushboy]
#24927450 - 01/20/18 07:51 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Liners are a tool, that proper conditions and skill make obsolete.
They are nice for cleaning. People talk about liners now like they talked about taping the sides years ago.
Go back in time eith the search feature. Same excuses, different 'tools'same mixed msg.
Ask any real noob. They use liners for side pins not hygiene
Edited by mushboy (01/20/18 07:53 AM)
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Re: outdated information [Re: mushboy]
#24927453 - 01/20/18 07:53 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Imo it depends on how long you let your subs go. By a 3rd flush I don't expect anything to be on the surface
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Ya but by then who cares if ya get a side pin?
Im only stating my opinion too mang, not trying to spread gospel.
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Quote:
mushboy said: Liners are a tool, that proper conditions and skill make obsolete.

Proper surface conditions and correct moisture content of substrate are what eliminate side pins.
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Really? I once had a cased tray of golden teachers flush 13 times, all on the surface. Then, I thought it was spent so I threw it in a garbage bag, ended up forgetting about it until I walked by and noticed the bag was fruiting a bunch of massive mushrooms on the surface. They were a sporulated mess so I made chocolates with them and they were potent as hell. It did that twice in the bag, for a total of 15 flushes. Didn't know at the time you could get that many flushes.
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Re: outdated information [Re: mushboy]
#24927481 - 01/20/18 08:16 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I know how you do while some see you as full of yourself I've never seen you that way. I know you just enjoy debate and spreading knowledge. I don't give a fuck about side pins at that point with shoeboxes but in a mono I would prefer a liner for later flushes
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Re: outdated information [Re: mushboy]
#24927482 - 01/20/18 08:16 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've learned to limit searches to the past 2-5 years as well.There's still so much outdated info here.It will work,but not optimal.I took a 12 yr break from the hobby and I'm blown away by the advances.I just learned the other day that fan drying/desiccant chamber is old school.I can actually use my dehydrator without worrying about losing potency.lol
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Utsf and do a search for this day but 3, 4 or 5yrs ago. read like 5pages of 'new threads'. Then read recent days.
I noticed a trend. Different 'noob fails' same rational. the reasons people used gloves or proxide is the same reason.
'i just do because... (insert generic reasoning) '
Its like im stuck in a time loop. Year after year after year. Wtf
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Also, I was just reading another new post about fanning even being outdated in a SGFC. I'm guessing that doesn't apply to monotubs? Wouldn't you get fuzzy feet? I'm already becoming amazed at how many outdated methods I was using. Guess it really has been a while!
Another thing, do any of you still use long consolidation times still? I remember it becoming pretty well agreed upon that longer consolidation leads to higher potency and better overall performance. I have definitely noticed this to be true. Whenever I've consolidated, a single gram will absolutely fry me, consistently over the years. Like the equivalent of an eighth unconsolidated. I realize there are many other variables when it comes to potency/yield/performance, but it really has always seemed to work.
Also thank you all for the quick, informative responses. I appreciate how you're bearing with me on my endeavor to eliminate outdated information from my methods. It's been a long time coming, and I'm really enthusiastic and excited to learn all the updated teks and keep broadening my mycological horizons.
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Re: outdated information [Re: bootsy222]
#24927502 - 01/20/18 08:35 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fanning is like doing a rain dance.
It aint doin shit. Thats another good one. When will ppl stop regurgitating bs and start swallowing the hard truths??
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Re: outdated information [Re: mushboy]
#24927536 - 01/20/18 08:59 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's the whole point of what I'm doing. Trying to completely eliminate old methods, unlearn what needs to be unlearned and update myself with new info. Not really a matter of 'swallowing hard truths' or regurgitation. Just a question relevant to my situation. I am finding it somewhat hard to wrap my mind around the possibility that fanning is altogether outdated though. Like I said, what about fuzzy feet? If I don't fan, I get the fuzzy feet. I guess fanning does defeat the purpose of set and forget though.
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Re: outdated information [Re: bootsy222]
#24927544 - 01/20/18 09:04 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fuzzy feat is from stale air. Great for sab work. How fuzzy are your fuzzy feet?
Best way to eliminate old info is learn everything, right and wrong, forget it all and re learn by growing hands off.
Bullshit will walk. And real methods shine through bright as fuck. At least thats what i did cause treading water through the seas of shit is not fun.
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Re: outdated information [Re: mushboy]
#24927553 - 01/20/18 09:06 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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mushboy said: Fanning is like doing a rain dance.
It aint doin shit. Thats another good one. When will ppl stop regurgitating bs and start swallowing the hard truths??
I was on this site a few years ago with an account I can not remember or find. Much of the latest and greatest for methods has changed. I have read a lot but am nothing more than a super noob. It is challenging to sift out the new best practice "truth" from the old, if you have not been following the changes closely over time.
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Re: outdated information [Re: mushboy]
#24927567 - 01/20/18 09:13 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fairly fuzzy. The base of every mush gets covered about half inch or less in bright white myc. Stale air though though you say? Sounds about right as it's winter and i don't open any windows in the room. Should I maybe just open the window a couple minutes a day to remedy this? It's been below zero outside unfortunately. Suppose I could just freshen up the air a little at a time.
What do you mean by growing hands off? As in just let it happen without my intervening?
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Re: outdated information [Re: bootsy222]
#24927570 - 01/20/18 09:14 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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They need oxygen, not air movement... Put some plants in your room
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What do ya'll think about the Cultivation Archives? I was looking through it the other day to see how people were doing Pans back in the day and I thought there was some good info in there.
I've recently come back after a 3 year hiatus, and what I'm noticing is that the hobby is really getting distilled down (which is good). Lots of steps being deemed unnecessary and people with successful grows to prove it.
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Re: outdated information [Re: Asura]
#24929603 - 01/20/18 04:14 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I was just thinking this before I drifted off into a nap. They need oxygen, not air circulation. Thank you for that! It seems a lot of us really were doing things that missed the point. I'll go ahead and get some houseplants, probably spider plants and ivy. I've ditched the fish tank bubbler, going to stop fanning apparently as well and focus on improving oxygen levels.
Thank you all for being patient with me. I learned quite a bit from this thread. Well, I'm going to continue reading. Anyone recommend any new teks? I've been looking into bohdisatta's and agar's teks, anything else I should be checking out?
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Re: outdated information [Re: JHOVA]
#24929705 - 01/20/18 05:06 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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JHOVA said: Ziran had a thread on outdated shit. Those would be good additions or maybe a new one is in order.
Good call. What are those called? Air Stones?
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Re: outdated information [Re: Ziran]
#24930712 - 01/21/18 07:26 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I started to worry about my mushroom grower future when I read all of this. How should we keep out from outdated information?
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Re: outdated information [Re: mortuu]
#24930890 - 01/21/18 09:12 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Look at the dates of posts and eventually you learn how to weed out the bullshit of course not everything recent is correct, some intuition is neccesary
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