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Republicans demand release of secret memo about how Obama's DOJ and FBI abused surveillance powers during election – and compare them to the KGB – as Russian bots tweet '#ReleaseTheMemo'
- Four-page memo from the Justice Department allegedly spells out how Obama officials used the 'dirty dossier' to get wiretap warrants and spy on Trump
- House Intel Committee Republicans want it released to the public; Democrats have voted against even sharing it with non committee-members in Congress
- One Pennslyvania Republican congressman said: 'You think about, "Is this happening in America or is this the KGB?" That's how alarming it is'
- A Florida member said 'heads are going to roll at the FBI and the Department of Justice. There is no way everyone keeps their job'
- '#ReleaseTheMemo' hashtag was trending Thursday and Friday, aided by Russian 'bots' that have blasted it out nonstop
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5289689/Republicans-demand-release-secret-FISA-abuse-memo.html
 
#ReleaseTheMemo
Anyone else keeping an eye on this?
 
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#24925789 - 01/19/18 02:04 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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2 words....smoke/ mirrors
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What do you mean?
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#24925816 - 01/19/18 02:18 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Main Stream Media vilified Trump for suggesting this; this memo will verify the idea.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: WScott]
#24925830 - 01/19/18 02:25 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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CLASSIFIED FISA MEMO - Shows 'Widespread' FBI DOJ Abuse vs Trump Campaign
US House of Representatives lawmakers who have read a classified memo detailing oversight of the Department of Justice and FBI are pushing for the public release of the document and the supporting materials referenced in it. Lawmakers claim the memo shows widespread abuse of the FISA process and that the unverified / uncorroborated Fusion GPS Trump dossier was the illegal basis for obtaining the FISA warrant against a member of the Trump campaign.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: WScott]
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Ya know, just today someone told me hillary and obama were going to jail soon. I thought he was nuts but it may happen yet.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: WScott]
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Damn I guess I better grab some popcorn, this is going to be good.
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Ya know, just today someone told me hillary and obama were going to jail soon. I thought he was nuts but it may happen yet.
No, corrupt people don't put other corrupt people in jail, not gonna happen. They're all on the same team, a big fat nothing burger.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: qman]
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Obama and trump are not on the same team. That is one thing I'm sure about. When obama does the perp walk I will be cheering. Actually I'd rather see hill do the walk.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: qman]
#24926157 - 01/19/18 04:45 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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No, corrupt people don't put other corrupt people in jail, not gonna happen. They're all on the same team, a big fat nothing burger.
this is the absolute truth. but if they did break the mold and someone does go down and they bring all the other ones around them down as well, would be a glorious fucking day.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: rackem]
#24926171 - 01/19/18 04:57 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Trump is as far from the "mold" as you can get in a president. He doesn't even act presidential which I'm not praising because we want our leaders to present a dignified front, even if its fake as most of them are. He is considered an outsider by the establishment which is why they try so hard to destroy him. Shrub was gop but the media treated him kindly, compare that to how they go after trump like a pack of wild dogs.
Over a year of russiagate and still nothing but they will keep trying. Almost every day there is something about it suggesting that they are closing in and have just about found the smoking gun. Almost but not quite, same as a year ago, same as it will be a year from now. Will they finally let it fade or will they bark up that same wrong tree for the full 8 years?
Trump is shaking things up and the powers that be do not like that. I would not rule out an assassination. I'm sure he has been reminded about kennedy more than once like 'watch your step'. He is slowly fixing the damage done by the last 24 years of liberal policy. Yes, shrub went along with it too.
If you take orders from the big shots you get treated well, if you upset the crooked apple cart you get the opposite. Its comical how people try to call him corrupt, if they had even a scintilla of evidence it would be all over the news, as you know. Other presidents crimes get covered up.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: rackem] 1
#24926214 - 01/19/18 05:23 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I should start by saying that I haven't followed any of this, and this thread is my first exposure to any of it. But the first thing that comes to mind is that if I were a president using covert ops to do illegal activity, I probably wouldn't make a memo out of it.
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I don't think it says obama made the memo. It seems to say top officials did who had knowledge of what went on.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: WScott] 2
#24926235 - 01/19/18 05:33 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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This thread has been up for over 4 hours now and koods hasnt showed up to shill yet? This must be even bigger than we could have imagined...
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Ya know, just today someone told me hillary and obama were going to jail soon. I thought he was nuts but it may happen yet.
No, corrupt people don't put other corrupt people in jail, not gonna happen. They're all on the same team, a big fat nothing burger.
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Obama and trump are not on the same team. That is one thing I'm sure about. When obama does the perp walk I will be cheering. Actually I'd rather see hill do the walk.
Qman is right , it’s very unrealistic to think at this stage that Trump is part of a political machine. Just because Trump and Obama are not on the same team doesn’t mean they don’t play the same game .You just think Trump is better because it fits your agenda. Half the country think he has caused a lot of horrible things to happen and said a lot of horrible things. No different then Obama
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Obama and trump are not on the same team. That is one thing I'm sure about. When obama does the perp walk I will be cheering. Actually I'd rather see hill do the walk.
I loved how quickly Trump 180d on that issue once he was elected.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: WScott]
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I saw this.
Many senators and congressmen have read it and believe it could indicate prison sentences, but cannot say any details at this time.
It must first be released.
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>Half the country think he has caused a lot of horrible things to happen and said a lot of horrible things. No different then Obama
Exactly what "horrible things" has he caused to happen?
He said some un pc and undiplomatic things? Yep
>No different then Obama
Wrong, if he was no different then you guys would worship both.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: qman]
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No, corrupt people don't put other corrupt people in jail, not gonna happen. They're all on the same team, a big fat nothing burger.
You may be right that corrupt people don't put other corrupt people in jail, but if it turns out to be true that the FBI abused their surveillance powers, I wouldn't call it a nothing burger.
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Trump is as far from the "mold" as you can get in a president. He doesn't even act presidential which I'm not praising because we want our leaders to present a dignified front, even if its fake as most of them are. He is considered an outsider by the establishment which is why they try so hard to destroy him. Shrub was gop but the media treated him kindly, compare that to how they go after trump like a pack of wild dogs.
Over a year of russiagate and still nothing but they will keep trying. Almost every day there is something about it suggesting that they are closing in and have just about found the smoking gun. Almost but not quite, same as a year ago, same as it will be a year from now. Will they finally let it fade or will they bark up that same wrong tree for the full 8 years?
Agreed so far...
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Trump is shaking things up and the powers that be do not like that. I would not rule out an assassination. I'm sure he has been reminded about kennedy more than once like 'watch your step'.
How do you know? I think you're treading into  territory.
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He is slowly fixing the damage done by the last 24 years of liberal policy. Yes, shrub went along with it too.
The real damage started in the 80s when it became ok for Government to be bought by the rich and used to help them grow richer. And yes, since then democrats went along with that too.
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Ya know, just today someone told me hillary and obama were going to jail soon. I thought he was nuts but it may happen yet.
No, corrupt people don't put other corrupt people in jail, not gonna happen. They're all on the same team, a big fat nothing burger.
QFT
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The real damage started in the 80s when it became ok for Government to be bought by the rich and used to help them grow richer. And yes, since then democrats went along with that too.
You say that like it's something to be surprised at and the Dems had to be dragged along kicking and screaming. The Dems are big fucking money and are every bit as corrupt as the Reps.
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Exactly what "horrible things" has he caused to happen?
Tax cuts for the rich paid for by cuts to important programs for one, plus an extra $1.5 trillion in debt.
He's good for one thing; helping the rich get richer. Even qman has acknowledged that he's become the same as previous Presidents in this regard.
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The real damage started in the 80s when it became ok for Government to be bought by the rich and used to help them grow richer. And yes, since then democrats went along with that too.
You say that like it's something to be surprised at and the Dems had to be dragged along kicking and screaming. The Dems are big fucking money and are every bit as corrupt as the Reps.
I agree, but I never said they had to be dragged along. Yes, big money went to both parties.
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Lol what a joke. Of course they won't release the memo because it's bullhsit. Trump could declassify anything he wants but this whole thing is much more impressive if the republicans act like there is some scandalous memo that would bring down the investigation into TRUMP's TREASONOUS 2016 CAMPAIGN.
Come on Trump. Declassify the memo. Put up or shut up you pathetic loser.
It's stunning how stupid trump supporters are. You guys are easier to play than a game of checkers
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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#releasethememo
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You say that like it's something to be surprised at and the Dems had to be dragged along kicking and screaming. The Dems are big fucking money and are every bit as corrupt as the Reps
How can dems be the party of big fucking money and at the same time want to steal it all by raising taxes and give it away through social programs and free shit for poor people and illegals?
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Obamacrats are the party of illegal spying and big brother bullshit. They will go down in the annals of history as exactly that.
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Obama and trump are not on the same team. That is one thing I'm sure about. When obama does the perp walk I will be cheering. Actually I'd rather see hill do the walk.
I'd rather see them blindfolded and stood in front of a bunch of sandbags, treason is a capital offense
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>How can dems be the party of big fucking money and at the same time want to steal it all by raising taxes and give it away through social programs and free shit for poor people and illegals?
They don't give it all to the illegals, they keep plenty for themselves. They keep the poor people voting dem, its just a cost of business. They are just as crooked as gop if not more so. Who here thinks hillary wasn't crooked as hell? Or bill? Or obama? The bum is now on the speaking circuit collecting bribes from big companies he did favors for.
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So dems are the party of big money cause they just steal it from people and keep it ? That doesn’t sound very pro big money to me , you just added to my confusion .
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Why won't trump release the memo? What is he hiding?
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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#releasethememo
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I'd rather see them blindfolded and stood in front of a bunch of sandbags, treason is a capital offense
How do you figure treason?
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It's all in their secret memo that they won't release
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Never in the history of our nation did people obsess so much over ex-presidents and wannabe presidents.
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Never in our history has any group wanted to divert attention so much away from the current president. If you were as embarrassed as this group is, you'd do the same thing.
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#releasethememo
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Lol what a joke. Of course they won't release the memo because it's bullhsit. Trump could declassify anything he wants but this whole thing is much more impressive if the republicans act like there is some scandalous memo that would bring down the investigation into TRUMP's TREASONOUS 2016 CAMPAIGN.
Come on Trump. Declassify the memo. Put up or shut up you pathetic loser.
It's stunning how stupid trump supporters are. You guys are easier to play than a game of checkers
This is definitely true of Russia collaboration - you were played.
Not sure if you meant to reply to me, but I never claimed this new story was true (I said "if it turns out to be true that the FBI abused their surveillance powers, I wouldn't call it a nothing burger").
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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#releasethememo
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Well we know you won't believe any allegations involving Russia because you are the Russian ambassador to the shroomery
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No, it's because no evidence has yet been presented to back the claim.
You're an anti-Trump mouthpiece who couldn't care less about facts.
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I guess we'll see. Remember when you said Manafort and Flynn wouldn't be indicted?
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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Based on the information being funneled out to the media it doesn't look good.
My thoughts are one side is saying it's really bad and the other side isn't saying anything. Leads to me to believe it's not good.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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Remember when you said Manafort and Flynn wouldn't be indicted?
Wrong. I said Manafort and Flynn wouldn't be indicted for "Russia related activities".
I said I hope they go to jail for other reasons.
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The real damage started in the 80s when it became ok for Government to be bought by the rich and used to help them grow richer. And yes, since then democrats went along with that too.
You say that like it's something to be surprised at and the Dems had to be dragged along kicking and screaming. The Dems are big fucking money and are every bit as corrupt as the Reps.
I agree, but I never said they had to be dragged along. Yes, big money went to both parties.
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I guess we'll see.
its been a year. time to let it go.
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Ya know, just today someone told me hillary and obama were going to jail soon. I thought he was nuts but it may happen yet.
No, corrupt people don't put other corrupt people in jail, not gonna happen. They're all on the same team, a big fat nothing burger.
QFT
You people who think these guys are going to jail are a hoot.
Up until the this election I would have agreed with you (for example, 'don't taze me bro' from the guy who questioned John Kerry about being in the same Skull and Bones fraternity as George W. Bush; THIS is the monopolized two-party political system). I do not see Donald Trump as being part of this dynamic though; there is no way that Hillary Clinton is that good of an actor or that they'd be okay with Trump winning as part of 'the plan'. No way! I'd appreciate a response to this.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: WScott]
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Yup, I'm curious to see what's there. But your link did say "This may take up to 19+ Congressional work days..."
That "+" is interesting.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: WScott]
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Ya know, just today someone told me hillary and obama were going to jail soon. I thought he was nuts but it may happen yet.
No, corrupt people don't put other corrupt people in jail, not gonna happen. They're all on the same team, a big fat nothing burger.
QFT
You people who think these guys are going to jail are a hoot.
Up until the this election I would have agreed with you (for example, 'don't taze me bro' from the guy who questioned John Kerry about being in the same Skull and Bones fraternity as George W. Bush; THIS is the monopolized two-party political system). I do not see Donald Trump as being part of this dynamic though; there is no way that Hillary Clinton is that good of an actor or that they'd be okay with Trump winning as part of 'the plan'. No way! I'd appreciate a response to this.
Big money rarely pays. I just don't see it happening. The american people don't want their politicians in jail where they all should be imo. Let's wait and see.
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They don't, ala the pardon....why does one think this power was given to the executive?
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It wasn't given to the executive, exactly. The power to pardon is considered an "inherent power" that all governments have.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil]
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Just a screen capture, I know, but maybe some tidbits to look into.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil]
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Doesn't the Constitution explicitly assign the president the power to pardon?.....that's what I meant by "give".
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That's true, but it's also true that the state always has "police power" which is the power to prosecute. The power to prosecute always includes the power to not prosecute or pardon.
The Constitution is intended to limit that inherent power, which it does by excluding "cases of impeachment."
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil]
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>The power to prosecute always includes the power to not prosecute or pardon.
Since when do prosecutors have the power to pardon? That only rests with the head of state
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil]
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>The power to prosecute always includes the power to not prosecute or pardon.
Since when do prosecutors have the power to pardon? That only rests with the head of state
The power to prosecute is the state's power. Prosecutors only have the authority to prosecute because it was delegated to them by the state.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil]
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So you admit this was wrong?
>The power to prosecute always includes the power to not prosecute or pardon.
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No. The power to prosecute always includes the power to not prosecute or pardon.
Prosecutors are delegated the authority to prosecute by the state. It's the state's power. The state, however, isn't a human being. As a result, the state can give human beings authority to wield state power. Prosecutors have the authority to wield the state's power to prosecute.
Of course the state can limit the authority of any delegated power. For instance, the state might have certain prosecutors that handle specific kinds of cases, and other prosecutors are not delegated the power to prosecute those particular cases.
Even the governor or President's power to pardon is limited by the state.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil]
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http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-van-houten-parole-20160722-snap-story.html
Relevant?
Seems like the supreme court of California can overturn the governor's overturning the parole board's ruling.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil]
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Still wrong, prosecutors can not pardon anyone. They can choose not to prosecute but once someone is convicted they can not pardon them. Only the state can do that. The president if federal or governor if state crime
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I never said a prosecutor could pardon someone. Maybe you should read more closely.
Also, not all governors have authority to pardon. The state has power to pardon, and in most states, it delegates authority to pardon to the governor, but not every state.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil]
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>I never said a prosecutor could pardon someone
>The power to prosecute always includes the power to not prosecute or pardon
Sure sounds like it. It will take some major squirming to even deflect. Your best move is to ignore and move on when you get caught like that
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Let me try to break it down so you can understand.
ONLY the state (or other governmental unit) has the power to prosecute. That power includes the power to pardon.
States delegate the authority to prosecute to different people. Those people are usually called prosecutors, or district attorneys. Sometimes, they're called attorneys general. Those people have the authority to prosecute within the limitations defined by the state who has the actual power to prosecute. One of those limitations is that they are not delegated authority to pardon.
States do delegate the authority to pardon, usually to a governor, but sometimes to an agency or panel of people. At the federal level, that authority, with some exception is delegated to the President.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil]
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Apparently this memo could end the Mueller investigation.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil]
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Nice squirming but no cigar. You said
>The power to prosecute always includes the power to not prosecute or pardon
We know their power comes from the government, that is not the question. Just as the power of government comes from the people. But so what? Your statement is simply not correct, the prosecutor, the one charged with making yes or no decisions on prosecuting major crimes is not allowed to pardon, as you belatedly admit. Yet you still go on bleating about blah blah the state appoints.. blah which is irrrelevent. OK you deflected attention from the fact you were wrong. Well played.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil]
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So tedious.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: WScott]
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Just a screen capture, I know, but maybe some tidbits to look into.
I imagine your walllaper looks something like that
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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Do you even care that the DNC murders people who stand up to them?
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods] 2
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I love how Trump is so razor focused on Obama and Hillary, a year after everyone else (including them) pretty much forgot about them. You won, man, move on. Do you want the respect of the citizens? Get something done. For now, this is just kinda sad.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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Didn't think so.
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This should be in the conspiracy forum
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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Gang bangers make excellent contract killers. They make murders look like senseless random attacks. And then they themselves can be disposed of (murdered) to tie up loose ends.
MS-13 on the deep state payroll.
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MS-13 on the deep state payroll.
No they don’t , not at all . They are gangbangers for a reason , they lack intelligence . They are unreliable , they will turn on you in a heartbeat and are usually already being watched by the cops .
Only epic morons would even think of using gangbangers for contract killing .
Talented contract killers worth the money have day jobs , could be your niebor , bank manager or the guy mowing lawns across the street .
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: mycosis] 2
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My source says it's 8 out of 7.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Kryptos]
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I love how Trump is so razor focused on Obama and Hillary, a year after everyone else (including them) pretty much forgot about them. You won, man, move on. Do you want the respect of the citizens? Get something done. For now, this is just kinda sad.
It would be sadder still to ignore and forget their transgressions, no?
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: WScott]
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They are the most investigated people in American history. After 25 years, it's time to concede you're not gonna get what you want. trump won. It's his time under the microscope.
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Gang bangers make excellent contract killers. They make murders look like senseless random attacks. And then they themselves can be disposed of (murdered) to tie up loose ends.
MS-13 on the deep state payroll.
No they don’t , not at all . They are gangbangers for a reason , they lack intelligence . They are unreliable , they will turn on you in a heartbeat and are usually already being watched by the cops .
Only epic morons would even think of using gangbangers for contract killing .
Talented contract killers worth the money have day jobs , could be your niebor , bank manager or the guy mowing lawns across the street .
Dude, have you looked at any research into contract killers? Heres a study. Most contract killers are random schmoes off the street that desperately need money and have no hireable skills. Heck, most can't even afford to leave the neighborhood, let alone town, after their hit. Also, most get shorted, with the average contract being for 25K and the average payout being closer to 5k.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil]
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I love how Trump is so razor focused on Obama and Hillary, a year after everyone else (including them) pretty much forgot about them. You won, man, move on. Do you want the respect of the citizens? Get something done. For now, this is just kinda sad.
It would be sadder still to ignore and forget their transgressions, no?
The biggest punishment that could be meted out to the clintons is to lose the presidential election to trump. Could not think of a more agonizing torture for her.
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The worst thing that could happen to trump is to lose to Clinton and still have to be president.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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The worst thing that could happen to trump is to lose to Clinton and still have to be president.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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They are the most investigated people in American history. After 25 years, it's time to concede you're not gonna get what you want. trump won. It's his time under the microscope.
Perhaps if Hillary was not Secretary of State and ingrained in the fabric of the political system, I would be more open to your point. However, I would be amused if you were of the opinion that the justice system was fairly utilized towards Mrs. Clinton and her husband. Donald Trump has also been under the microscope since he announced his candidacy; 'the hell you talking about?
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They are the most investigated people in American history. After 25 years, it's time to concede you're not gonna get what you want. trump won. It's his time under the microscope.
Perhaps if Hillary was not Secretary of State and ingrained in the fabric of the political system, I would be more open to your point. However, I would be amused if you were of the opinion that the justice system was fairly utilized towards Mrs. Clinton and her husband. Donald Trump has also been under the microscope since he announced his candidacy; 'the hell you talking about?
The Clintons have been under the microscope since the day Bill Clinton got elected as governor of Arkansas. Almost 3 decades ago. Trump has been under the microscope for maybe a year or two.
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They are the most investigated people in American history. After 25 years, it's time to concede you're not gonna get what you want. trump won. It's his time under the microscope.
Perhaps if Hillary was not Secretary of State and ingrained in the fabric of the political system, I would be more open to your point. However, I would be amused if you were of the opinion that the justice system was fairly utilized towards Mrs. Clinton and her husband. Donald Trump has also been under the microscope since he announced his candidacy; 'the hell you talking about?
Absolutely not fair. The Clintons have been the victims of partisan witch hunts since Bill became president. Benghazi anyone? Whitewater?
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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I thought you loved witch hunts.
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How so?
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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I guess I have to work on my delivery, that was a joke (about witch hunts.....what Trump has called the current investigation).
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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Absolutely not fair. The Clintons have been the victims
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: WScott]
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I hope they release the memo. It'd be interesting to see what it says...
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: WScott]
#24948645 - 01/28/18 01:25 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck Steve king and his animal hating lies.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil]
#24948916 - 01/28/18 02:48 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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The robot has a soft spot for the critters of the earth. Who'da thunk it.
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It's even in his sig. 
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It is?
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Oh... puppy mills. Would not have known that from the title of the link. Thanks, sport.
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Damn I guess I better grab some popcorn, this is going to be good.
Seems the hashtag is trending once again; I wonder why.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: WScott]
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It's unbelievable theyre not seeking justice from the Obama admin. He was such a waste of time.
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Trump just posted this on his instagram.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: WScott]
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I love this man, national hero. Hope he is able to cleanup that swamp.
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He’s a loser
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Didn't think so.
Koods is a borderline troll at this point. You can try arguing with him but it will just resort to illogical arguments and/or name calling in the end.
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Koods is a borderline troll at this point. You can try arguing with him but it will just resort to illogical arguments and/or name calling in the end.
I would imagine when he talks to you he feels like he’s talking to David Koresh .
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No seriously. He’s a loser. His whole life he’s done nothing but leave a trail of destruction in his path.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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Flynn was convicted of his crimes
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Flynn was convicted of his crimes
Has little to do with flynn.
#OBAMAGATE is the fact that Obama worked with the FBI in order to smear Trump and manufacture the hoax that was "russian collusion" in order TO STEAL AN ELECTION.
HIGH CRIMES! Executions for this behavior!
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How did they try to smear trump to steal an election when nobody even knew about the investigation until after the election?
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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I talked about it LONG before Trump got elected. Remember?
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No one's talking about the scandal anymore. Hillary successfully deflected the issue by blaming Trump and the Russians. 
How the DNC fabricated a Russian hacker conspiracy to deflect blame for its email scandal
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It was the Russians working on behalf of trump. Didn’t you read the mueller report?
That’s not what we are taking about though. Melty said the investigation was designed to smear trump and swing the election but the FBI never revealed there was an investigation until after the election
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How did they try to smear trump to steal an election when nobody even knew about the investigation until after the election?
Nobody knew it about because the plan was to smear Trump that Obama worked on with the FBI while sitting as President. Who knows how many years in advance this was planned, my guess is it was probably started to be planned as soon as Trump announced he was running.
What makes me sick is I voted for that conman Obama. Fucking piece of shit liar that guy was. Sure he can talk so well in public, but his words are vapid and meaningless, history has proven.
EDIT: Not just smear, but put the whole country at risk by fabricating a lie that Trump was some kind of Russian asset. Want to talk about dividing a country? How can anyone trust a Democrat who went along with that scam knowingly. And it seems like many knowingly did. Sure there were probably many that didn't know of the conspiracy but I'm sure many did. These people should be immediately removed from the country.
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Are his words as meaningless as the Birth Certificate thing ? The long form one ?
Karma is a bitch huh dude ?
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Nobody knew it about because the plan was to smear Trump that Obama worked on with the FBI while sitting as President. Who knows how many years in advance this was planned, my guess is it was probably started to be planned as soon as Trump announced he was running.
You said the plan was to steal the election, but now it was about letting trump become president, the smearing him? Your theories aren’t well thought out.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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You said the plan was to steal the election, but now it was about letting trump become president, the smearing him? Your theories aren’t well thought out.
Who do you think 'let' Trump become president? I'm not understanding your argument.
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It was for the past 3 years where you were posting about Trump being a Russian asset and having the election hacked. Lmfao, oh lets not forget qbout the russians hacking the dnc email servers! Didnt happen!
Now, back to reality..
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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Nobody knew it about because the plan was to smear Trump that Obama worked on with the FBI while sitting as President. Who knows how many years in advance this was planned, my guess is it was probably started to be planned as soon as Trump announced he was running.
You said the plan was to steal the election, but now it was about letting trump become president, the smearing him? Your theories aren’t well thought out.
Tried to steal, fallback plan to smear. Duh.
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Are his words as meaningless as the Birth Certificate thing ? The long form one ?
Karma is a bitch huh dude ?
At this point I wouldnt be surprised if Trump was right about that, too.
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Obamagate is worse than watergate. Obama is a complete sicko.
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What kind of branch/tree is that behind the fungi in your sig Psillynut? Where’d you find them goodies at...
My front yard , I don’t know what type of tree it is , it’s outdoor cultivation run amuck , I find a few handfuls every year and It’s been 7 years since I’ve done anything .
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At this point I wouldnt be surprised if Trump was right about that, too.
Mmmm, conspiracy theories about the Black President are cool, if we do it to the white one though it’s treason and people need to die .
That’s epic white privilege right there . Blatant as fuck too.
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I’ve still not seen anyone be able to tell me what crimes Obama committed
Trump was asked and he said something along the lines of “you know what he did.”
Even compared to other conspiracy theories this one isn’t very well fleshed out.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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Its true, Glen Beck told me. For real though, at least drop Fast n Furious (kinda of a scandal); this whole Flyn thing amounts to a hill of beans.
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I have told you. You choose to deny, though, purely out of spite. And thats ok. No need to lie though.
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If Senate Republicans don't embrace "Obamagate" it remains nothing but a Trump rhetorical device to shift blame/focus away from him. So far the Senate has resisted. Trump has recently just about begged Mitch McConnel to get on board with this. McConnel is up for reelection against a strong candidate, and they are both heavily funded with a lot of out of state money. Republicans in congress and particularly those up for reelection, which is all the House and one third of the Senate, have become apprehensive about tying their fates to Trump, which is a break from their pre-crisis stance.
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So it was ok to investigate Trump, but not Obama? An Enlil always says, what's wrong with investigating?
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I have told you. You choose to deny, though, purely out of spite. And thats ok. No need to lie though.
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Nothing wrong with investigating. If we get the same "nothing burger" that we got with russia gate though, and only obamas cronies go to jail...are we going to get the same rhetoric about how everyone around Obama was a criminal and it cant just be coincidence? It will be very interesting.
My logic is that if Hilary didn't go to hail, neither is Obama. This sounds like just another deflection from Dump.
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So it was ok to investigate Trump, but not Obama? An Enlil always says, what's wrong with investigating?
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It was ok to investigate Hillary but not Trump ?
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So it was ok to investigate Trump, but not Obama? An Enlil always says, what's wrong with investigating?
For what?
How the DNC fabricated a Russian hacker conspiracy to deflect blame for its email scandal
Nothing wrong with investigating, right?
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So it was ok to investigate Trump, but not Obama? An Enlil always says, what's wrong with investigating?
Has it been proved that Obama is not Kenyon? Has it been proved that Obama did not bug the White House? They have not been proved. They have been judged as ludicrous.
It would be fine with me if they investigated Obama for any roll he played in getting the feds to inappropriately investigate Trump on Russia, IF, they also investigate Trump for all the financial irregularities he's been accused of, Trump says that is off the table until at least after the election.
Trump goes after anyone who isn't a sycophant to him, frequently just making up the accusations as he goes along. He would no doubt treat his losing the election as clear cut evidence of a vast conspiracy against him.
This is not about justice. It's only about his reelection.
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So it was ok to investigate Trump, but not Obama? An Enlil always says, what's wrong with investigating?
The problem is that we seem to be treating unfounded allegations about Trump as a reason to not investigate him for anything else. Obama has been investigated for far fetched conspiracy theories about him, yet we should continue to investigate him.
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So it was ok to investigate Trump, but not Obama? An Enlil always says, what's wrong with investigating?
The problem is that we seem to be treating unfounded allegations about Trump as a reason to not investigate him for anything else. Obama has been investigated for far fetched conspiracy theories about him, yet we should continue to investigate him.
Who investigated "far fetched conspiracy theories" about Obama? The FBI and DOJ?
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It would be fine with me if they investigated Obama for any roll he played in getting the feds to inappropriately investigate Trump on Russia, IF, they also investigate Trump for all the financial irregularities he's been accused of, Trump says that is off the table until at least after the election.
I'm confused. If Trump can decide what's 'off the table', why couldn't he get the feds to stop the Russia collusion investigation?
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Trump goes after anyone who isn't a sycophant to him, frequently just making up the accusations as he goes along. He would no doubt treat his losing the election as clear cut evidence of a vast conspiracy against him.
This is not about justice. It's only about his reelection.
Perhaps you missed this? Ignore that it's from Jimmy Dore if you don't like him and just listen to the interviews:
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Who investigated "far fetched conspiracy theories" about Obama? The FBI and DOJ?
The same people who are pretending to investigate the Biden’s .
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Who investigated "far fetched conspiracy theories" about Obama? The FBI and DOJ?
The same people who are pretending to investigate the Biden’s .
So there obviously wasn't any formal investigation into Obama, correct?
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So it was ok to investigate Trump, but not Obama? An Enlil always says, what's wrong with investigating?
For what?
How the DNC fabricated a Russian hacker conspiracy to deflect blame for its email scandal
Nothing wrong with investigating, right?
It was investigated and the hackers have been charged
Can you give a serious answer?
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How the DNC fabricated a Russian hacker conspiracy to deflect blame for its email scandal
Nothing wrong with investigating, right?
It was investigated and the hackers have been charged
Someone got charged for coordination between the Russian Government and the Trump campaign?
Source, or make believe?
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That's not what he said. You're the one making shit up
Koods asked what Obama should be investigated for. The answer was for helping fabricate a story to cover DNC corruption, not because Russian hackers were charged.
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I also quoted what I said.
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I also quoted a story about how Trump-Russia collusion was fabricated to cover the DNC scandal. The Mueller report could not find sufficient evidence that the Trump campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities"
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I also quoted a story about how Trump-Russia collusion was fabricated to cover the DNC scandal. The Mueller report could not find sufficient evidence that the Trump campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities"
How the fuck did this happen then ?
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Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations,” Mueller wrote. “The incidents were often carried out through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels. These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General’s recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony.”
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I also quoted a story about how Trump-Russia collusion was fabricated to cover the DNC scandal. The Mueller report could not find sufficient evidence that the Trump campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities"
How the fuck did this happen then ?
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Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations,” Mueller wrote. “The incidents were often carried out through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels. These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General’s recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony.”
It was all a setup. Trump did nothing wrong.
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That was Volume 2. As Wikipedia summarized:
Volume I of the report concludes that the investigation did not find sufficient evidence that the campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities".
Volume II of the report addresses obstruction of justice.
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If Trump did nothing wrong like Meltdowner says then volume 2 should detail an unprecedented level of cooperation rather than obstruction .
Trump using the power of his office to influence the investigation invalidates the findings in volume 1 in my opinion .
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The potential obstruction of justice charge was just something Mueller threw in to cover for his failure to find anything related to coordination with Russia, and to give his followers something to talk about when the official investigation ended with a big nothing burger. Let's look at the specifics you provided, shall we?
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Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations,” Mueller wrote.
So Mueller discovered that a president has influence?
Kind of like he 'discovered' that the Russians are spying on us?
That guy puts out some ground breaking information.
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“The incidents were often carried out through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels. These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General’s recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony.”
No duh. The FBI was caught trying to prevent Trump from being president, and some wonder why he doesn't trust them?
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How exactly did the FBI try to prevent trump from becoming president if they kept their investigation secret until after the election?
Instead of giving us a link, explain in your own words how the FBI tried to influence the election against trump.
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Watch the video, then ask the FBI.
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Ok the first interview was a guy saying the FBI used to try to keep socialists out of the organization. I stopped listening there.
Can you tell us how the FBI tried to keep trump from being elected. Be specific to their actions that they took to further this goal.
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If you won't trust the FBI itself, why will you trust me?
Anyway, they were floating Russia conspiracy theories LONG before the election. Were you not aware of this?
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Can you answer the question?
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I did... "they were floating Russia conspiracy theories LONG before the election."
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So you have nothing
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I have the FBI admitting they tried to stop Trump in the video above. If you call that "nothing", you're an even greater make believer than I thought.
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The FBI admitted they tried to stop trump? And what actions did they take to make that happen?
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I already told you... "they were floating Russia conspiracy theories LONG before the election."
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Nvm you can’t answer the question because you don’t have a coherent answer.
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Whether or not you believe floating Russian conspiracy theories was intended to be harmful to Trump or not, it explains "how the FBI tried to keep trump from being elected" (your question), which the FBI admitted to.
I'll ask anyone else here whether or not they follow the logic above, or if I "don’t have a coherent answer".
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*ahem* Trump had a conflict of interest with Russia, which is part of what prompted their suspicions of him. He also already had an on-going relationship with Putin and probably some other big oligarch names in the country. I also remember Trump personally saying for Russia to help hack Hillary during his campaign. Does none of that mean they had a valid reason to be suspicious of him?
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*ahem* Trump had a conflict of interest with Russia, which is part of what prompted their suspicions of him.
I assume you mean he convinced some Russian's to invest in his business?
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He also already had an on-going relationship with Putin...
Can you tell us more about this, or is this a conspiracy theory?
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I also remember Trump personally saying for Russia to help hack Hillary during his campaign. Does none of that mean they had a valid reason to be suspicious of him?
Some of us laughed at Trump's joke. Obviously, Russia never delivered.
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The video has jimmy dore claiming they were trying to stop trump from getting elected. No one from the FBI is admitting that.
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Whether or not you believe floating Russian conspiracy theories was intended to be harmful to Trump or not, it explains "how the FBI tried to keep trump from being elected" (your question), which the FBI admitted to.
I'll ask anyone else here whether or not they follow the logic above, or if I "don’t have a coherent answer".
I want you to explain how the FBI tried to keep trump from being elected. What did they do specifically to make this happen. In your words. No links.
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*ahem* Trump had a conflict of interest with Russia, which is part of what prompted their suspicions of him.
I assume you mean he convinced some Russian's to invest in his business?
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He also already had an on-going relationship with Putin...
Can you tell us more about this, or is this a conspiracy theory?
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I also remember Trump personally saying for Russia to help hack Hillary during his campaign. Does none of that mean they had a valid reason to be suspicious of him?
Some of us laughed at Trump's joke. Obviously, Russia never delivered.
Maybe a joke. Maybe an attempt to collude. We don’t know what trump was thinking or why he said it, but the words themselves were encouraging illegal activity, and extremely irresponsible. If you’re going to complain about being unfairly scrutinized by the FBI, it doesn’t help that you were out publicly asking the Russians to commit illegal acts on your behalf, joking or not.
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Why didn’t trump denounce the hacking? Why didn’t they report the Russian overtures to law enforcement? Where’s the investigation into the leaks from the FBI to Rudy guiliani about the Clinton investigation?
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The video has jimmy dore claiming they were trying to stop trump from getting elected. No one from the FBI is admitting that.
When Lisa Page asked Peter Strzok, the Deputy Assistant Director of the FBI, whether Trump would ever become President, Strzok responded “No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it”.
Peter Strzok read that text to Congress in the video I posted.
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I want you to explain how the FBI tried to keep trump from being elected. What did they do specifically to make this happen. In your words. No links.
For the fourth time now... "they were floating Russia conspiracy theories LONG before the election."
Here it is again without the link (that link was for people who want to learn something):
"they were floating Russia conspiracy theories LONG before the election."
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I want you to explain how the FBI tried to keep trump from being elected. What did they do specifically to make this happen. In your words. No links.
For the fourth time now... "they were floating Russia conspiracy theories LONG before the election."
Here it is again without the link (that link was for people who want to learn something):
"they were floating Russia conspiracy theories LONG before the election."
If you look at the dates on those google searches, all the theories on ruasian interference occur after the president made his joke. NYT has an article about trump making his joke poated July 30th 2016, and then one dated a month later in August of 2016 talking about Harry Reid citing evidence of Russian collusion...there is one dated July 27th that talks about the DNC being hacked. Hilary pointed the finger at trump about that apparently.
Seems like the dumpster caused his own witch hunt by saying something retarded on national television.
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The video has jimmy dore claiming they were trying to stop trump from getting elected. No one from the FBI is admitting that.
When Lisa Page asked Peter Strzok, the Deputy Assistant Director of the FBI, whether Trump would ever become President, Strzok responded “No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it”.
Peter Strzok read that text to Congress in the video I posted.
Yup. A text taken out of context. No one explained who "we" is. No one explained HOW "we" will stop it. Jimmy Dore just assumed, and you took his word as gospel, as usual.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil]
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He’s also conflating two people who work for the FBI with the entire organization.
I’m still waiting for him to detail the actual actions the FBI took to make trump lose the election.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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That's my point...who's "we?" Him and his buddies? Democrats? The American people? That hasn't been made clear at all.
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You tube comedians make the best news sources.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil]
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The video has jimmy dore claiming they were trying to stop trump from getting elected. No one from the FBI is admitting that.
There are texts of FBI agents who worked for Comey saying they would not let Trump win and have a backup plan if he does. So yes, there is evidence.
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You tube comedians make the best news sources.
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Describing him as such is incredibly misleasing and inaccurate. Youre being willfully ignorant and you know it.
Jimmy Dore lays out the timeline perfectly and on his show he has a well known reporter confirming the info. Admit it, you were all wromg about Trump and you are simply too embarrassed admit it.
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If you look at the dates on those google searches, all the theories on russian interference occur after the president made his joke. NYT has an article about trump making his joke posted July 30th 2016
The theories about Russian interference started before the joke (that's why he made the joke). This is from the NYT on 24 July 2016:
As Democrats Gather, a Russian Subplot Raises Intrigue
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Is Vladimir V. Putin trying to meddle in the American presidential election?
Until Friday, that charge, with its eerie suggestion of a Kremlin conspiracy to aid Donald J. Trump, has been only whispered.
But the release on Friday of some 20,000 stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee’s computer servers, many of them embarrassing to Democratic leaders, has intensified discussion of the role of Russian intelligence agencies in disrupting the 2016 campaign.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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He’s also conflating two people who work for the FBI with the entire organization.
I’m still waiting for him to detail the actual actions the FBI took to make trump lose the election.
Here it is for the sixth time:
"they were floating Russia conspiracy theories LONG before the election."
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Nice red herring by the trump house.
More smoke & mirrors.
Pandemic strikes, botch the response, then when ya get sick of dealing with it the right way just throw your hands up, stick your head in the sand, and pretend it over/ not a big deal anymore- then open everything back up like nothing happened - bc it was too much to handle.
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But fortunately, he DID remember that "that text in no way suggested that I or the FBI would take any action to influence the candidacy of candidate Trump".
So, this whole time you knew that dore was lying and then you repeated the lie. You literally told us all that he ADMITTED to the very same thing he clearly denies doing.
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The video has jimmy dore claiming they were trying to stop trump from getting elected. No one from the FBI is admitting that.
There are texts of FBI agents who worked for Comey saying they would not let Trump win and have a backup plan if he does. So yes, there is evidence.
And what actions did they take to stop trump from being president? Maybe they were joking, like trump was when he asked Russian to find hillary’s emails.
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If you look at the dates on those google searches, all the theories on russian interference occur after the president made his joke. NYT has an article about trump making his joke posted July 30th 2016
The theories about Russian interference started before the joke (that's why he made the joke). This is from the NYT on 24 July 2016:
As Democrats Gather, a Russian Subplot Raises Intrigue
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Is Vladimir V. Putin trying to meddle in the American presidential election?
Until Friday, that charge, with its eerie suggestion of a Kremlin conspiracy to aid Donald J. Trump, has been only whispered.
But the release on Friday of some 20,000 stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee’s computer servers, many of them embarrassing to Democratic leaders, has intensified discussion of the role of Russian intelligence agencies in disrupting the 2016 campaign.
What does that have to do with FBI floating conspiracy theories? The DNC was hacked and those emails were released. That is a crime and the DNC’s security firm said it was Russia. Extensive investigations by the FBI, the special counsel and the senate intel committee confirmed the DNC’s allegations.
It’s not a conspiracy theory that Russia hacked the DNC. It’s conspiracy fact.
I can’t believe you’re still in denial about this.
Can you describe the conspiracy theories the FBI was floating instead of just insisting they did.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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And what actions did they take to stop trump from being president?
Here it is for the seventh time:
"they were floating Russia conspiracy theories LONG before the election."
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil]
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But fortunately, he DID remember that "that text in no way suggested that I or the FBI would take any action to influence the candidacy of candidate Trump".
So, this whole time you knew that dore was lying and then you repeated the lie. You literally told us all that he ADMITTED to the very same thing he clearly denies doing.
Strzok said that his text ("We’ll stop it") "in no way suggested that I or the FBI would take any action to influence the candidacy of candidate Trump", yet he admitted in the video that by "it" he meant "his candidacy for the President".
Can you please tell me how it's possible for him to stop Trump's candidacy without taking any action to influence it? That appears to be a very clear lie.
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Yeah what he’s saying is his words were aspirational, and he didn’t follow through or he wasn’t serious. It was a joke like Trump asking Russia to find hillary’s emails.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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I missed one of your posts, but I'll respond to it now:
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The DNC was hacked and those emails were released. That is a crime and the DNC’s security firm said it was Russia.
Yes, but CrowdStrike said they only had "circumstantial evidence". 'Welp, that's the kind of thing Russia might do, so we have circumstantial evidence it's Russia.'
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Extensive investigations by the FBI, the special counsel and the senate intel committee confirmed the DNC’s allegations.
It’s not a conspiracy theory that Russia hacked the DNC. It’s conspiracy fact.
What extensive investigations? CrowdStrike did the investigation. Welp, we have high confidence it was Russia because that's the kind of thing the Russians might do. That's not evidence to me.
As I've pointed out many times before, there's a LOT more evidence that it wasn't Russia than there is it was.
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Yeah what he’s saying is his words were aspirational, and he didn’t follow through or he wasn’t serious. It was a joke like Trump asking Russia to find hillary’s emails.
Context. Strzok was texting his girlfriend, while Trump was trying to fire up his base.
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It would be fine with me if they investigated Obama for any roll he played in getting the feds to inappropriately investigate Trump on Russia, IF, they also investigate Trump for all the financial irregularities he's been accused of, Trump says that is off the table until at least after the election.
I'm confused. If Trump can decide what's 'off the table', why couldn't he get the feds to stop the Russia collusion investigation?
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Trump goes after anyone who isn't a sycophant to him, frequently just making up the accusations as he goes along. He would no doubt treat his losing the election as clear cut evidence of a vast conspiracy against him.
This is not about justice. It's only about his reelection.
Perhaps you missed this? Ignore that it's from Jimmy Dore if you don't like him and just listen to the interviews:
The FBI stuff is shocking and despicable, I'll grant you that.
But you know me. I'm not idealistic. This is war. I hate Trump. So people who try to hurt him are alright with me. I have been critical of the FBI since the conspiracy against the Black Panthers. I guess you can say I'm partisan to an extreme degree.
Damn, it is hard for me to watch Jimmy Dore.
I said Trump was deciding what's off the table on his financials (not Russian collusion) and it appears that the Supreme Court just decided he can put that off until at least after the election. I'm not sure how narrow or broad the implications of that are, and specifically whether that handcuffs the New York State investigations. Trump maintains he can't be forced to divulge his financials while he is President.
Maybe the FBI and the Supreme Court should perform their duties with more impartiality.
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Yeah what he’s saying is his words were aspirational, and he didn’t follow through or he wasn’t serious. It was a joke like Trump asking Russia to find hillary’s emails.
Its funny how trumpa rhetoric is open to wide brush stroke interpretations, but everyone else's needs to be taken oh so seriously.
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I got that wrong. The Supreme Court just blocked Congress from receiving grand jury info from Mueller's Russia interference investigation. Today's Wall Street Journal said "The court, in a written order Wednesday, granted an emergency request by the Trump administration to keep the materials secret while it mounts a full high court appeal against their release."
I'm not saying there is anything there, but can somebody explain what are Trump's motivations, if there is nothing there?
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I said Trump was deciding what's off the table on his financials (not Russian collusion) and it appears that the Supreme Court just decided he can put that off until at least after the election. I'm not sure how narrow or broad the implications of that are, and specifically whether that handcuffs the New York State investigations. Trump maintains he can't be forced to divulge his financials while he is President.
Do you have an article on this so I can better understand what you're referring to?
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The Supreme Court just blocked Congress from receiving grand jury info from Mueller's Russia interference investigation.
I'm not saying there is anything there, but can somebody explain what are Trump's motivations, if there is nothing there?
I'll offer one possible theory:
Right now the Dems are going crazy insisting the missing evidence is somewhere in the grand jury testimony. I think it's highly unlikely that the 'gotcha' evidence was presented to the grand jury and Mueller simply forgot to put it his report.
So now Trump is trying to ensure the Dems make as big a deal as possible out of this, and then he'll let the grand jury materials get released closer to the elections.
Another giant nothing burger against Trump pretty much guarantees him a victory.
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You may be right. I was honestly a bit puzzled by it. But the reverse psychology you are suggesting is a bit more sophisticated than his usual style.
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Trump not only beat all other republicans, but all other democrats in 2016. As much as I dislike him, I have to give him some credit for not being dumb in this area.
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Do you think he's good enough to get reelected in a complete economic collapse? Trump inherited an economy that had been recovering and growing for many many years. He propped it up with a tax cut completely financed by the deficit. He was running on hatred for illegal Mexicans and the stock market.
What's he going to run on now? I'm sure most of his base is steady, but that won't be nearly enough. The market can adjust but main street won't recover for years. There are more conservative Republicans speaking out against him every day. The percentage of Republicans who don't want him to be their nominee is almost as high as the percentage of Democrats who don't want Biden to be their nominee, and Trump ran unopposed.
The percentage of women against him moved from 20% to almost 30% in a few weeks. The percentage of blacks against him polled at 92% on Wednesday. His 8% advantage among men isn't going to get him elected unless they not only suppress minority voting, but also get rid of women's suffrage.
Every single day his Corona chats puts him in a deeper and deeper hole. I can't think of anyone dumber in the American political scene, and I completely understand how far gone Biden's brain is.
If there had been no FDR, Herbert Hoover would have still lost the 1930 election. That is where we are right now. An unpopular President does not win presiding over a depression.
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Do you think he's good enough to get reelected in a complete economic collapse? Trump inherited an economy that had been recovering and growing for many many years. He propped it up with a tax cut completely financed by the deficit. He was running on hatred for illegal Mexicans and the stock market.
What's he going to run on now? I'm sure most of his base is steady, but that won't be nearly enough. The market can adjust but main street won't recover for years. There are more conservative Republicans speaking out against him every day. The percentage of Republicans who don't want him to be their nominee is almost as high as the percentage of Democrats who don't want Biden to be their nominee, and Trump ran unopposed.
The percentage of women against him moved from 20% to almost 30% in a few weeks. The percentage of blacks against him polled at 92% on Wednesday. His 8% advantage among men isn't going to get him elected unless they not only suppress minority voting, but also get rid of women's suffrage.
Every single day his Corona chats puts him in a deeper and deeper hole. I can't think of anyone dumber in the American political scene, and I completely understand how far gone Biden's brain is.
If there had been no FDR, Herbert Hoover would have still lost the 1930 election. That is where we are right now. An unpopular President does not win presiding over a depression.
The fact of the matter is that Trump isn't responsible for the economic fallout from the pandemic in the minds of most people. Also, Biden and the Dems aren't blaming him either. Every stimulus bill was also passed by the Dems, so they can't place any blame on Trump with the results.
We also must take into consideration that Trump hasn't even started his attack on Biden yet, when that happens it's going to change a lot of the current numbers. Trump is going to get very nasty before it's all said and done.
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Do you think he's good enough to get reelected in a complete economic collapse?
The percentage of women against him moved from 20% to almost 30% in a few weeks. The percentage of blacks against him polled at 92% on Wednesday. His 8% advantage among men isn't going to get him elected unless they not only suppress minority voting, but also get rid of women's suffrage.
Every single day his Corona chats puts him in a deeper and deeper hole. I can't think of anyone dumber in the American political scene, and I completely understand how far gone Biden's brain is.
I think everyone knows about these things, but I posted his current odds. I've learned to trust the betting odds, as those tend to be the most accurate predictor of things, whether I like Trump or not. Things could change over time, but as qman said, Trump has barely started his attack on Biden, and when that happens it's going to change a lot of the polling numbers.
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Trump inherited an economy that had been recovering and growing for many many years. He propped it up with a tax cut completely financed by the deficit. He was running on hatred for illegal Mexicans and the stock market.
What's he going to run on now? I'm sure most of his base is steady, but that won't be nearly enough. The market can adjust but main street won't recover for years. There are more conservative Republicans speaking out against him every day. The percentage of Republicans who don't want him to be their nominee is almost as high as the percentage of Democrats who don't want Biden to be their nominee, and Trump ran unopposed.
I agree Trump is bad. Unfortunately, the democrats are doing an awful job with the pandemic, and Biden isn't doing anything to help that I'm aware. More for Wall St, less for Main St. Same ol' same ol'
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: qman] 1
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It doesn't matter if it was his fault or not. He didn't deserve the accolades for his good stock market. He didn't deserve to be considered a terrific businessman.
Now he's stuck being our leader during the worst economic crisis since the Depression and the worst pandemic since 1918-19, and he does deserve some of the blame for the latter.
Trump will attack Biden and Biden is a weak leader. But Trump is discredited outside his hardcore followers. While there have been a few up and down trends, in general Trump has been losing popularity since this crisis began and the public is taking the attitude that he's the worst man for the job, now.
Meanwhile Bernie Sanders is doing what he always does, fighting to improve the lives of regular people, and right now he sees getting Biden elected as a big part of that. On Facebook Bernie has been playing up these councils of experts (I believe there were six of them) that he and Biden helped pick the members.
Trump will have all kind of terrible things to say about Biden, but it won't swing the election. Right now having Trump say terrible things about you is a badge of honor, and the people he is slurring are all more popular than him.
I guess they're not talking about this on the podcasts, but the rest of us are reading that states that were considered red are now in play. The people who emphasize how close this election will be are Republicans. It might not even be close.
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It doesn't matter if it was his fault or not. He didn't deserve the accolades for his good stock market. He didn't deserve to be considered a terrific businessman.
Now he's stuck being our leader during the worst economic crisis since the Depression and the worst pandemic since 1918-19, and he does deserve some of the blame for the latter.
Trump will attack Biden and Biden is a weak leader. But Trump is discredited outside his hardcore followers. While there have been a few up and down trends, in general Trump has been losing popularity since this crisis began and the public is taking the attitude that he's the worst man for the job, now.
Meanwhile Bernie Sanders is doing what he always does, fighting to improve the lives of regular people, and right now he sees getting Biden elected as a big part of that. On Facebook Bernie has been playing up these councils of experts (I believe there were six of them) that he and Biden helped pick the members.
Trump will have all kind of terrible things to say about Biden, but it won't swing the election. Right now having Trump say terrible things about you is a badge of honor, and the people he is slurring are all more popular than him.
I guess they're not talking about this on the podcasts, but the rest of us are reading that states that were considered red are now in play. The people who emphasize how close this election will be are Republicans. It might not even be close.
Bernie is the biggest disappointment to progressives today. Where is he when these stimulus bills are being passed to enrich The Elite and crumbs for Main Street? Not a word.
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#26690109 - 05/23/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Has anyone explained what Obamagate is yet?
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
#26690484 - 05/23/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's a Trump term, so he should probably explain. But I'll take my best guess.
After the Justice Department’s was forced to drop its prosecution of Michael Flynn due to misconduct in violating numerous investigation protocols outlined in this thread, Obama decided to keep the Russia-Gate conspiracy alive a little longer by saying “our basic understanding of rule of law is at risk”, and hoping some of his followers with TDS would ignore the evidence and simply agree with him because of his status.
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Obama wasn’t president when the FBI interviewed Flynn. All of that misconduct you allege occurred during the Trump administration.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
#26690523 - 05/23/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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And he certainly wasn't president when he said the rule of law is at risk. But many people hold him in high esteem.
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So obamagate is about a powerless Obama expressing an opinion?
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
#26690544 - 05/23/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Expressing an opinion that the FBI dindu nuffin wrong.
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Expressing an opinion that Trumps FBI didn’t do anything wrong. How is that a scandal?
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
#26690577 - 05/23/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The investigation started under the Obama administration against the Trump campaign.
But you probably knew that.
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What’s wrong with investigating? There was plenty of cause to do so. But all the FBI misconduct you allege happened concerning Flynn occurred after Obama left office.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
#26690696 - 05/23/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
It's a Trump term, so he should probably explain. But I'll take my best guess.
After the Justice Department’s was forced to drop its prosecution of Michael Flynn due to misconduct in violating numerous investigation protocols outlined in this thread, Obama decided to keep the Russia-Gate conspiracy alive a little longer by saying “our basic understanding of rule of law is at risk”, and hoping some of his followers with TDS would ignore the evidence and simply agree with him because of his status.
This thread was started over 2 years ago but Trump coined the term to describe something that happened in the last few weeks?
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Kwyjibo]
#26690894 - 05/23/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good point. Looks like obamagate was explained in the OP.
The event I described is what got the hashtag trending again.
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Omg that guy looks like someone you see when you’re on shrooms. Never seen a dude wear so much makeup.
What a load of crap. Obama didn’t target or spy on Flynn. Obama was spying on the Russians and Flynn was caught up in that surveillance. What’s the problem?
Really dude you can’t get more ridiculous a source than Lou Dobbs
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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Sounds to me like obama saying what he did is pretty much equivilent to trump jokomg about Russia hacking emails.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
#26691027 - 05/23/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Omg that guy looks like someone you see when you’re on shrooms. Never seen a dude wear so much makeup.
Really dude you can’t get more ridiculous a source than Lou Dobbs
Good to know what's important to you. I tend to listen to the actual content and weight it against the available evidence.
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Obama didn’t target or spy on Flynn. Obama was spying on the Russians and Flynn was caught up in that surveillance. What’s the problem?
Since when is it the President's job to spy on the Russians?
Obama is the one who told his intelligence that they need to watch out for Flynn after learning he wanted better relations with the Russians. The beginnings of Russia-Gate.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
#26691106 - 05/23/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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What’s wrong with investigating? There was plenty of cause to do so. But all the FBI misconduct you allege happened concerning Flynn occurred after Obama left office.
I thought the Democrats said you cant investigate political rivals
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We always spy on the Russians.
If Obama wanted to set trump up why would he have warned trump about Flynn. The russia stuff was later. The first concern was Flynn was lobbying on behalf of Turkey while being part of the trump transition.
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What’s wrong with investigating? There was plenty of cause to do so. But all the FBI misconduct you allege happened concerning Flynn occurred after Obama left office.
I thought the Democrats said you cant investigate political rivals
How were they political rivals? The election was over. Flynn was undermining US policy. He was lobbying on behalf of a foreign government. He was doing some pretty shady shit. He’s a fucking convicted felon because of it.
Obama was still president and Flynn had no business making behind the scene agreements with Russia. Then he lied about it. Not just to the FBI. To trump and pence. Don’t forget Flynn was fired within two weeks of Trump taking office. Stop blaming the Obama administration for doing their fucking jobs.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
#26691194 - 05/23/20 08:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah it's a giant nothing burger...
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
#26691313 - 05/23/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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We always spy on the Russians.
You sure made a big deal about it when you found out they spied on the DNC. Glad you now know.
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If Obama wanted to set trump up why would he have warned trump about Flynn. The russia stuff was later.
What did Obama warn Trump of exactly? The "Russia stuff" started when I first talked about it on in in July 2016.
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The first concern was Flynn was lobbying on behalf of Turkey while being part of the trump transition.
That was debunked over three years ago.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
#26691322 - 05/23/20 09:56 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Flynn was undermining US policy. He was lobbying on behalf of a foreign government. He was doing some pretty shady shit. He’s a fucking convicted felon because of it.
Source, or make believe? I only heard he was convicted of lying, not for doing anything else wrong. And those charges got dropped by the Justice Department because they talked about setting him up to lie beforehand.
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Obama was still president and Flynn had no business making behind the scene agreements with Russia.
Trump had already been elected, and Flynn wasn't making any "agreements".
You should change your signature to "I'M KOODS, AND I LIKE TO MAKE BELIEVE!!!"
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Source, or make believe? I only heard he was convicted of lying, not for doing anything else wrong. And those charges got dropped by the Justice Department because they talked about setting him up to lie beforehand.
The charges can’t be dropped. He’s already been convicted. Flynn’s fate is entirely in the hands of the judge. (Unless trump pardons him)
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
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