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#ObamaGate * 2
    #24925702 - 01/19/18 01:25 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Republicans demand release of secret memo about how Obama's DOJ and FBI abused surveillance powers during election – and compare them to the KGB – as Russian bots tweet '#ReleaseTheMemo'
  • Four-page memo from the Justice Department allegedly spells out how Obama officials used the 'dirty dossier' to get wiretap warrants and spy on Trump
  • House Intel Committee Republicans want it released to the public; Democrats have voted against even sharing it with non committee-members in Congress
  • One Pennslyvania Republican congressman said: 'You think about, "Is this happening in America or is this the KGB?" That's how alarming it is'
  • A Florida member said 'heads are going to roll at the FBI and the Department of Justice. There is no way everyone keeps their job'
  • '#ReleaseTheMemo' hashtag was trending Thursday and Friday, aided by Russian 'bots' that have blasted it out nonstop
 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5289689/Republicans-demand-release-secret-FISA-abuse-memo.html






#ReleaseTheMemo

Anyone else keeping an eye on this?

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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: WScott] * 2
    #24925789 - 01/19/18 02:04 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

2 words....smoke/ mirrors


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #24925806 - 01/19/18 02:14 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

What do you mean?



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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: WScott]
    #24925816 - 01/19/18 02:18 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)



Main Stream Media vilified Trump for suggesting this; this memo will verify the idea.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: WScott]
    #24925830 - 01/19/18 02:25 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)



CLASSIFIED FISA MEMO - Shows 'Widespread' FBI DOJ Abuse vs Trump Campaign
US House of Representatives lawmakers who have read a classified memo detailing oversight of the Department of Justice and FBI are pushing for the public release of the document and the supporting materials referenced in it. Lawmakers claim the memo shows widespread abuse of the FISA process and that the unverified / uncorroborated Fusion GPS Trump dossier was the illegal basis for obtaining the FISA warrant against a member of the Trump campaign.



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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: WScott]
    #24926057 - 01/19/18 03:53 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Ya know, just today someone told me hillary and obama were going to jail soon. I thought he was nuts but it may happen yet.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: WScott]
    #24926085 - 01/19/18 04:09 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Damn I guess I better grab some popcorn, this is going to be good.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Stonehenge] * 3
    #24926146 - 01/19/18 04:39 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Ya know, just today someone told me hillary and obama were going to jail soon. I thought he was nuts but it may happen yet.




No, corrupt people don't put other corrupt people in jail, not gonna happen. They're all on the same team, a big fat nothing burger.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: qman]
    #24926153 - 01/19/18 04:42 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Obama and trump are not on the same team. That is one thing I'm sure about. When obama does the perp walk I will be cheering. Actually I'd rather see hill do the walk.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: qman]
    #24926157 - 01/19/18 04:45 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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No, corrupt people don't put other corrupt people in jail, not gonna happen. They're all on the same team, a big fat nothing burger.




this is the absolute truth.  but if they did break the mold and someone does go down and they bring all the other ones around them down as well, would be a glorious fucking day.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: rackem]
    #24926171 - 01/19/18 04:57 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Trump is as far from the "mold" as you can get in a president. He doesn't even act presidential which I'm not praising because we want our leaders to present a dignified front, even if its fake as most of them are. He is considered an outsider by the establishment which is why they try so hard to destroy him. Shrub was gop but the media treated him kindly, compare that to how they go after trump like a pack of wild dogs.

Over a year of russiagate and still nothing but they will keep trying. Almost every day there is something about it suggesting that they are closing in and have just about found the smoking gun. Almost but not quite, same as a year ago, same as it will be a year from now. Will they finally let it fade or will they bark up that same wrong tree for the full 8 years?

Trump is shaking things up and the powers that be do not like that. I would not rule out an assassination. I'm sure he has been reminded about kennedy more than once like 'watch your step'. He is slowly fixing the damage done by the last 24 years of liberal policy. Yes, shrub went along with it too.

If you take orders from the big shots you get treated well, if you upset the crooked apple cart you get the opposite. Its comical how people try to call him corrupt, if they had even a scintilla of evidence it would be all over the news, as you know. Other presidents crimes get covered up.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: rackem] * 1
    #24926214 - 01/19/18 05:23 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I should start by saying that I haven't followed any of this, and this thread is my first exposure to any of it. But the first thing that comes to mind is that if I were a president using covert ops to do illegal activity, I probably wouldn't make a memo out of it.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: PatrickKn]
    #24926234 - 01/19/18 05:33 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think it says obama made the memo. It seems to say top officials did who had knowledge of what went on.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: WScott] * 2
    #24926235 - 01/19/18 05:33 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

This thread has been up for over 4 hours now and koods hasnt showed up to shill yet? This must be even bigger than we could have imagined...

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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #24926249 - 01/19/18 05:39 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

#ReleaseTheTokers should be next


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #24926682 - 01/19/18 08:17 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
Ya know, just today someone told me hillary and obama were going to jail soon. I thought he was nuts but it may happen yet.




No, corrupt people don't put other corrupt people in jail, not gonna happen. They're all on the same team, a big fat nothing burger.



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Obama and trump are not on the same team. That is one thing I'm sure about. When obama does the perp walk I will be cheering. Actually I'd rather see hill do the walk.


  Qman is right , it’s very unrealistic to think at this stage  that Trump is part of a political machine. Just because Trump and Obama are not on the same team doesn’t mean they don’t play the same game .You just think Trump is better because it fits your agenda. Half the country think he has caused a lot of horrible things to happen and said a lot of horrible things. No different then Obama


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: WScott] * 2
    #24926749 - 01/19/18 08:39 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I approve this thread. :thumbup:


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24926776 - 01/19/18 08:47 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Obama and trump are not on the same team. That is one thing I'm sure about. When obama does the perp walk I will be cheering. Actually I'd rather see hill do the walk.




I loved how quickly Trump 180d on that issue once he was elected.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: moonrockmushy] * 2
    #24926801 - 01/19/18 08:57 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Drain the Swamp.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: FeedingMyDreams] * 1
    #24926805 - 01/19/18 08:58 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah still waiting on that one too


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Great Scott]
    #24927079 - 01/20/18 12:14 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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I approve this thread. :thumbup:



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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: WScott]
    #24927321 - 01/20/18 05:31 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I saw this.

Many senators and congressmen have read it and believe it could indicate prison sentences, but cannot say any details at this time.

It must first be released.


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Re: #ObamaGate (moved) [Re: WScott]
    #24927349 - 01/20/18 06:08 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

This thread was moved from The Pub.

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Re: #ObamaGate (moved) [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #24927540 - 01/20/18 09:02 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

>Half the country think he has caused a lot of horrible things to happen and said a lot of horrible things. No different then Obama

Exactly what "horrible things" has he caused to happen?

He said some un pc and undiplomatic things? Yep

>No different then Obama

Wrong, if he was no different then you guys would worship both.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: qman]
    #24927655 - 01/20/18 10:01 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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No, corrupt people don't put other corrupt people in jail, not gonna happen. They're all on the same team, a big fat nothing burger.



You may be right that corrupt people don't put other corrupt people in jail, but if it turns out to be true that the FBI abused their surveillance powers, I wouldn't call it a nothing burger.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #24927675 - 01/20/18 10:10 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Trump is as far from the "mold" as you can get in a president. He doesn't even act presidential which I'm not praising because we want our leaders to present a dignified front, even if its fake as most of them are. He is considered an outsider by the establishment which is why they try so hard to destroy him. Shrub was gop but the media treated him kindly, compare that to how they go after trump like a pack of wild dogs.

Over a year of russiagate and still nothing but they will keep trying. Almost every day there is something about it suggesting that they are closing in and have just about found the smoking gun. Almost but not quite, same as a year ago, same as it will be a year from now. Will they finally let it fade or will they bark up that same wrong tree for the full 8 years?



Agreed so far...

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Trump is shaking things up and the powers that be do not like that. I would not rule out an assassination. I'm sure he has been reminded about kennedy more than once like 'watch your step'.



How do you know?  I think you're treading into :tinfoil: territory.

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He is slowly fixing the damage done by the last 24 years of liberal policy. Yes, shrub went along with it too.



The real damage started in the 80s when it became ok for Government to be bought by the rich and used to help them grow richer.  And yes, since then democrats went along with that too.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: qman] * 1
    #24927677 - 01/20/18 10:10 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Ya know, just today someone told me hillary and obama were going to jail soon. I thought he was nuts but it may happen yet.




No, corrupt people don't put other corrupt people in jail, not gonna happen. They're all on the same team, a big fat nothing burger.





QFT

You people who think these guys are going to jail are a hoot. :curbyourenthusiasm:


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24927683 - 01/20/18 10:13 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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The real damage started in the 80s when it became ok for Government to be bought by the rich and used to help them grow richer.  And yes, since then democrats went along with that too.




You say that like it's something to be surprised at and the Dems had to be dragged along kicking and screaming. The Dems are big fucking money and are every bit as corrupt as the Reps.


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Re: #ObamaGate (moved) [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #24927685 - 01/20/18 10:13 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Exactly what "horrible things" has he caused to happen?



Tax cuts for the rich paid for by cuts to important programs for one, plus an extra $1.5 trillion in debt.

He's good for one thing; helping the rich get richer.  Even qman has acknowledged that he's become the same as previous Presidents in this regard.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Icelander]
    #24927690 - 01/20/18 10:15 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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The real damage started in the 80s when it became ok for Government to be bought by the rich and used to help them grow richer.  And yes, since then democrats went along with that too.



You say that like it's something to be surprised at and the Dems had to be dragged along kicking and screaming. The Dems are big fucking money and are every bit as corrupt as the Reps.



I agree, but I never said they had to be dragged along.  Yes, big money went to both parties.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24927791 - 01/20/18 10:55 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Lol what a joke. Of course they won't release the memo because it's bullhsit. Trump could declassify anything he wants but this whole thing is much more impressive if the republicans act like there is some scandalous memo that would bring down the investigation into TRUMP's TREASONOUS 2016 CAMPAIGN.

Come on Trump. Declassify the memo. Put up or shut up you pathetic loser.

It's stunning how stupid trump supporters are. You guys are easier to play than a game of checkers


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
    #24927822 - 01/20/18 11:15 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

#releasethememo

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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Icelander]
    #24927851 - 01/20/18 11:31 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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You say that like it's something to be surprised at and the Dems had to be dragged along kicking and screaming. The Dems are big fucking money and are every bit as corrupt as the Reps



 
  How can dems be the party of big fucking money and at the same time want to steal it all by raising taxes and give it away through social programs and free shit for poor people and illegals?


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods] * 1
    #24927876 - 01/20/18 11:44 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Obamacrats are the party of illegal spying and big brother bullshit. They will go down in the annals of history as exactly that.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24927894 - 01/20/18 11:52 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Obama and trump are not on the same team. That is one thing I'm sure about. When obama does the perp walk I will be cheering. Actually I'd rather see hill do the walk.




I'd rather see them blindfolded and stood in front of a bunch of sandbags, treason is a capital offense


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Psilynut2]
    #24927916 - 01/20/18 12:06 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

>How can dems be the party of big fucking money and at the same time want to steal it all by raising taxes and give it away through social programs and free shit for poor people and illegals?

They don't give it all to the illegals, they keep plenty for themselves. They keep the poor people voting dem, its just a cost of business. They are just as crooked as gop if not more so. Who here thinks hillary wasn't crooked as hell? Or bill? Or obama? The bum is now on the speaking circuit collecting bribes from big companies he did favors for.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24927946 - 01/20/18 12:18 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

So dems are the party of big money cause they just steal it from people and keep it ?  That doesn’t sound very pro big money to me , you just added to my confusion .


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    #24927968 - 01/20/18 12:27 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Why won't trump release the memo? What is he hiding?


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    #24927973 - 01/20/18 12:30 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

#releasethememo


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: xzylocybin]
    #24927982 - 01/20/18 12:34 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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I'd rather see them blindfolded and stood in front of a bunch of sandbags, treason is a capital offense



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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil]
    #24927987 - 01/20/18 12:37 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

It's all in their secret memo that they won't release


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods] * 1
    #24927993 - 01/20/18 12:39 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Never in the history of our nation did people obsess so much over ex-presidents and wannabe presidents.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil]
    #24927997 - 01/20/18 12:42 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Never in our history has any group wanted to divert attention so much away from the current president. If you were as embarrassed as this group is, you'd do the same thing.


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    #24928006 - 01/20/18 12:45 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
    #24928031 - 01/20/18 12:55 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Lol what a joke. Of course they won't release the memo because it's bullhsit. Trump could declassify anything he wants but this whole thing is much more impressive if the republicans act like there is some scandalous memo that would bring down the investigation into TRUMP's TREASONOUS 2016 CAMPAIGN.

Come on Trump. Declassify the memo. Put up or shut up you pathetic loser.

It's stunning how stupid trump supporters are. You guys are easier to play than a game of checkers



This is definitely true of Russia collaboration - you were played.

Not sure if you meant to reply to me, but I never claimed this new story was true (I said "if it turns out to be true that the FBI abused their surveillance powers, I wouldn't call it a nothing burger").


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
    #24928039 - 01/20/18 12:57 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24928040 - 01/20/18 12:57 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Well we know you won't believe any allegations involving Russia because you are the Russian ambassador to the shroomery


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    #24928047 - 01/20/18 12:59 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

No, it's because no evidence has yet been presented to back the claim.

You're an anti-Trump mouthpiece who couldn't care less about facts.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24928099 - 01/20/18 01:09 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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I guess we'll see. Remember when you said Manafort and Flynn wouldn't be indicted?


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    #24928419 - 01/20/18 01:33 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Based on the information being funneled out to the media it doesn't look good.

My thoughts are one side is saying it's really bad and the other side isn't saying anything. Leads to me to believe it's not good.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
    #24928472 - 01/20/18 01:35 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Remember when you said Manafort and Flynn wouldn't be indicted?



Wrong.  I said Manafort and Flynn wouldn't be indicted for "Russia related activities".

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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #24929577 - 01/20/18 04:04 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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The real damage started in the 80s when it became ok for Government to be bought by the rich and used to help them grow richer.  And yes, since then democrats went along with that too.



You say that like it's something to be surprised at and the Dems had to be dragged along kicking and screaming. The Dems are big fucking money and are every bit as corrupt as the Reps.



I agree, but I never said they had to be dragged along.  Yes, big money went to both parties.




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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods] * 1
    #24930232 - 01/20/18 09:00 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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I guess we'll see.




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    #24930809 - 01/21/18 08:22 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Ya know, just today someone told me hillary and obama were going to jail soon. I thought he was nuts but it may happen yet.




No, corrupt people don't put other corrupt people in jail, not gonna happen. They're all on the same team, a big fat nothing burger.




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You people who think these guys are going to jail are a hoot.




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    #24931131 - 01/21/18 10:49 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Yup, I'm curious to see what's there.  But your link did say "This may take up to 19+ Congressional work days..."

That "+" is interesting.


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Ya know, just today someone told me hillary and obama were going to jail soon. I thought he was nuts but it may happen yet.




No, corrupt people don't put other corrupt people in jail, not gonna happen. They're all on the same team, a big fat nothing burger.




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You people who think these guys are going to jail are a hoot.




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Big money rarely pays.  I just don't see it happening. The american people don't want their politicians in jail where they all should be imo. Let's wait and see.


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    #24931309 - 01/21/18 12:18 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

They don't, ala the pardon....why does one think this power was given to the executive?


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #24931315 - 01/21/18 12:21 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

It wasn't given to the executive, exactly.  The power to pardon is considered an "inherent power" that all governments have.


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    #24931416 - 01/21/18 01:07 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)



Just a screen capture, I know, but maybe some tidbits to look into.

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    #24931431 - 01/21/18 01:15 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Doesn't the Constitution explicitly assign the president the power to pardon?.....that's what I meant by "give".


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    #24931460 - 01/21/18 01:34 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

That's true, but it's also true that the state always has "police power" which is the power to prosecute.  The power to prosecute always includes the power to not prosecute or pardon.

The Constitution is intended to limit that inherent power, which it does by excluding "cases of impeachment."


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    #24931470 - 01/21/18 01:38 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

>The power to prosecute always includes the power to not prosecute or pardon.

Since when do prosecutors have the power to pardon? That only rests with the head of state


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    #24931471 - 01/21/18 01:39 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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    #24931486 - 01/21/18 01:48 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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>The power to prosecute always includes the power to not prosecute or pardon.

Since when do prosecutors have the power to pardon? That only rests with the head of state



The power to prosecute is the state's power. Prosecutors only have the authority to prosecute because it was delegated to them by the state.


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    #24931653 - 01/21/18 03:11 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

So you admit this was wrong?

>The power to prosecute always includes the power to not prosecute or pardon.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24931657 - 01/21/18 03:12 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

No.  The power to prosecute always includes the power to not prosecute or pardon.

Prosecutors are delegated the authority to prosecute by the state.  It's the state's power.  The state, however, isn't a human being.  As a result, the state can give human beings authority to wield state power.  Prosecutors have the authority to wield the state's power to prosecute.

Of course the state can limit the authority of any delegated power.  For instance, the state might have certain prosecutors that handle specific kinds of cases, and other prosecutors are not delegated the power to prosecute those particular cases. 

Even the governor or President's power to pardon is limited by the state.


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    #24931688 - 01/21/18 03:26 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-van-houten-parole-20160722-snap-story.html

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    #24931853 - 01/21/18 04:45 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Still wrong, prosecutors can not pardon anyone. They can choose not to prosecute but once someone is convicted they can not pardon them. Only the state can do that. The president if federal or governor if state crime


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24931875 - 01/21/18 04:57 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I never said a prosecutor could pardon someone.  Maybe you should read more closely.

Also, not all governors have authority to pardon.  The state has power to pardon, and in most states, it delegates authority to pardon to the governor, but not every state. 


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    #24931940 - 01/21/18 05:22 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

>I never said a prosecutor could pardon someone
>The power to prosecute always includes the power to not prosecute or pardon

Sure sounds like it. It will take some major squirming to even deflect. Your best move is to ignore and move on when you get caught like that


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    #24931960 - 01/21/18 05:29 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Let me try to break it down so you can understand.

ONLY the state (or other governmental unit) has the power to prosecute.  That power includes the power to pardon.

States delegate the authority to prosecute to different people.  Those people are usually called prosecutors, or district attorneys.  Sometimes, they're called attorneys general.  Those people have the authority to prosecute within the limitations defined by the state who has the actual power to prosecute.  One of those limitations is that they are not delegated authority to pardon.

States do delegate the authority to pardon, usually to a governor, but sometimes to an agency or panel of people.  At the federal level, that authority, with some exception is delegated to the President.


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    #24932083 - 01/21/18 06:30 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Apparently this memo could end the Mueller investigation.

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    #24932230 - 01/21/18 07:32 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Nice squirming but no cigar. You said

>The power to prosecute always includes the power to not prosecute or pardon

We know their power comes from the government, that is not the question. Just as the power of government comes from the people. But so what? Your statement is simply not correct, the prosecutor, the one charged with making yes or no decisions on prosecuting major crimes is not allowed to pardon, as you belatedly admit. Yet you still go on bleating about blah blah the state appoints.. blah which is irrrelevent. OK you deflected attention from the fact you were wrong. Well played.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24932236 - 01/21/18 07:34 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

You seem to be confused about the difference between power and authority.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil]
    #24932483 - 01/21/18 09:19 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

So tedious.


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Just a screen capture, I know, but maybe some tidbits to look into.

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    #24932621 - 01/21/18 10:17 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Do you even care that the DNC murders people who stand up to them?


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:lol:


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    #24932667 - 01/21/18 10:36 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I love how Trump is so razor focused on Obama and Hillary, a year after everyone else (including them) pretty much forgot about them. You won, man, move on. Do you want the respect of the citizens? Get something done. For now, this is just kinda sad.

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Didn't think so.


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This should be in the conspiracy forum


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    #24932789 - 01/22/18 12:06 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Gang bangers make excellent contract killers. They make murders look like senseless random attacks. And then they themselves can be disposed of (murdered) to tie up loose ends.

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    #24933108 - 01/22/18 07:01 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Do you have any evidence?  Or are you just spewing conspiracy bullshit?


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    #24933226 - 01/22/18 08:29 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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  No they don’t , not at all . They are gangbangers for a reason , they lack intelligence . They are unreliable , they will turn on you in a heartbeat and are usually already being watched by the cops .
Only epic morons would even think of using gangbangers for contract killing .
  Talented contract killers worth the money have day jobs , could be your niebor , bank manager or the guy mowing lawns across the street .


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Nine out of ten contract killers are undercover FBI agents. :cookiemonster:


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My source says it's 8 out of 7.


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I love how Trump is so razor focused on Obama and Hillary, a year after everyone else (including them) pretty much forgot about them. You won, man, move on. Do you want the respect of the citizens? Get something done. For now, this is just kinda sad.






It would be sadder still to ignore and forget their transgressions, no?


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    #24933768 - 01/22/18 12:51 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

They are the most investigated people in American history. After 25 years, it's time to concede you're not gonna get what you want. trump won. It's his time under the microscope.


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Gang bangers make excellent contract killers. They make murders look like senseless random attacks. And then they themselves can be disposed of (murdered) to tie up loose ends.

MS-13 on the deep state payroll.




  No they don’t , not at all . They are gangbangers for a reason , they lack intelligence . They are unreliable , they will turn on you in a heartbeat and are usually already being watched by the cops .
Only epic morons would even think of using gangbangers for contract killing .
  Talented contract killers worth the money have day jobs , could be your niebor , bank manager or the guy mowing lawns across the street .




Dude, have you looked at any research into contract killers? Heres a study. Most contract killers are random schmoes off the street that desperately need money and have no hireable skills. Heck, most can't even afford to leave the neighborhood, let alone town, after their hit. Also, most get shorted, with the average contract being for 25K and the average payout being closer to 5k.

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    #24934143 - 01/22/18 03:33 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

A graceless way to duck and run, enlil


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I love how Trump is so razor focused on Obama and Hillary, a year after everyone else (including them) pretty much forgot about them. You won, man, move on. Do you want the respect of the citizens? Get something done. For now, this is just kinda sad.






It would be sadder still to ignore and forget their transgressions, no?



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    #24934569 - 01/22/18 06:29 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

The worst thing that could happen to trump is to lose to Clinton and still have to be president.


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The worst thing that could happen to trump is to lose to Clinton and still have to be president.




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They are the most investigated people in American history. After 25 years, it's time to concede you're not gonna get what you want. trump won. It's his time under the microscope.




Perhaps if Hillary was not Secretary of State and ingrained in the fabric of the political system, I would be more open to your point. However, I would be amused if you were of the opinion that the justice system was fairly utilized towards Mrs. Clinton and her husband. Donald Trump has also been under the microscope since he announced his candidacy; 'the hell you talking about?


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They are the most investigated people in American history. After 25 years, it's time to concede you're not gonna get what you want. trump won. It's his time under the microscope.




Perhaps if Hillary was not Secretary of State and ingrained in the fabric of the political system, I would be more open to your point. However, I would be amused if you were of the opinion that the justice system was fairly utilized towards Mrs. Clinton and her husband. Donald Trump has also been under the microscope since he announced his candidacy; 'the hell you talking about?




The Clintons have been under the microscope since the day Bill Clinton got elected as governor of Arkansas. Almost 3 decades ago. Trump has been under the microscope for maybe a year or two.


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They are the most investigated people in American history. After 25 years, it's time to concede you're not gonna get what you want. trump won. It's his time under the microscope.




Perhaps if Hillary was not Secretary of State and ingrained in the fabric of the political system, I would be more open to your point. However, I would be amused if you were of the opinion that the justice system was fairly utilized towards Mrs. Clinton and her husband. Donald Trump has also been under the microscope since he announced his candidacy; 'the hell you talking about?




Absolutely not fair. The Clintons have been the victims of partisan witch hunts since Bill became president.  Benghazi anyone? Whitewater?


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I thought you loved witch hunts.


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    #24942099 - 01/25/18 08:22 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

How so?


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I guess I have to work on my delivery, that was a joke (about witch hunts.....what Trump has called the current investigation).


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    #24943863 - 01/26/18 03:18 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Absolutely not fair. The Clintons have been the victims




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    #24947841 - 01/28/18 09:40 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)



#ReleaseTheMemo


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This is a tweet from a congressman.


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I hope they release the memo.  It'd be interesting to see what it says...


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The robot has a soft spot for the critters of the earth. Who'da thunk it.


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It's even in his sig.  :shrug:


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It is?


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Oh... puppy mills. Would not have known that from the title of the link. Thanks, sport.


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    #26662728 - 05/10/20 04:12 PM (21 days, 10 hours ago)

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Damn I guess I better grab some popcorn, this is going to be good.




:thumbup:

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    #26662769 - 05/10/20 04:40 PM (21 days, 10 hours ago)

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    #26662792 - 05/10/20 04:55 PM (21 days, 10 hours ago)

It's unbelievable theyre not seeking justice from the Obama admin.  He was such a waste of time.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: meltdowner] * 1
    #26662809 - 05/10/20 05:07 PM (21 days, 9 hours ago)



Trump just posted this on his instagram.


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    #26662819 - 05/10/20 05:14 PM (21 days, 9 hours ago)

I love this man,  national hero.  Hope he is able to cleanup that swamp.


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He’s a loser


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    #26662864 - 05/10/20 05:46 PM (21 days, 9 hours ago)

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Didn't think so.



Koods is a borderline troll at this point. You can try arguing with him but it will just resort to illogical arguments and/or name calling in the end.


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Koods is a borderline troll at this point. You can try arguing with him but it will just resort to illogical arguments and/or name calling in the end.




I would imagine when he talks to you he feels like he’s talking to David Koresh .


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No seriously. He’s a loser. His whole life he’s done nothing but leave a trail of destruction in his path.


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Flynn was convicted of his crimes


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Flynn was convicted of his crimes




Has little to do with flynn.

#OBAMAGATE is the fact that Obama worked with the FBI in order to smear Trump and manufacture the hoax that was "russian collusion" in order TO STEAL AN ELECTION.

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    #26677261 - 05/17/20 04:44 PM (14 days, 10 hours ago)

How did they try to smear trump to steal an election when nobody even knew about the investigation until after the election?


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    #26677296 - 05/17/20 05:12 PM (14 days, 9 hours ago)

I talked about it LONG before Trump got elected.  Remember?

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No one's talking about the scandal anymore.  Hillary successfully deflected the issue by blaming Trump and the Russians.  :picard:

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It was the Russians working on behalf of trump. Didn’t you read the mueller report?

That’s not what we are taking about though. Melty said the investigation was designed to smear trump and swing the election but the FBI never revealed there was an investigation until after  the election


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How did they try to smear trump to steal an election when nobody even knew about the investigation until after the election?




Nobody knew it about because the plan was to smear Trump that Obama worked on with the FBI while sitting as President.  Who knows how many years in advance this was planned, my guess is it was probably started to be planned as soon as Trump announced he was running.

What makes me sick is I voted for that conman Obama.  Fucking piece of shit liar that guy was.  Sure he can talk so well in public, but his words are vapid and meaningless, history has proven.

EDIT: Not just smear, but put the whole country at risk by fabricating a lie that Trump was some kind of Russian asset.  Want to talk about dividing a country?  How can anyone trust a Democrat who went along with that scam knowingly.  And it seems like many knowingly did.  Sure there were probably many that didn't know of the conspiracy but I'm sure many did.  These people should be immediately removed from the country.


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    #26677628 - 05/17/20 08:02 PM (14 days, 6 hours ago)

Are his words as meaningless as the Birth Certificate thing ? The long form one ?
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Nobody knew it about because the plan was to smear Trump that Obama worked on with the FBI while sitting as President.  Who knows how many years in advance this was planned, my guess is it was probably started to be planned as soon as Trump announced he was running.




You said the plan was to steal the election, but now it was about letting trump become president, the  smearing him? Your theories aren’t well thought out.


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You said the plan was to steal the election, but now it was about letting trump become president, the  smearing him? Your theories aren’t well thought out.



Who do you think 'let' Trump become president?  I'm not understanding your argument.  :shrug:


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    #26678267 - 05/18/20 06:30 AM (13 days, 20 hours ago)

It was for the past 3 years where you were posting about Trump being a Russian asset and having the election hacked.  Lmfao, oh lets not forget qbout the russians hacking the dnc email servers!  Didnt happen! 

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Nobody knew it about because the plan was to smear Trump that Obama worked on with the FBI while sitting as President.  Who knows how many years in advance this was planned, my guess is it was probably started to be planned as soon as Trump announced he was running.




You said the plan was to steal the election, but now it was about letting trump become president, the  smearing him? Your theories aren’t well thought out.



Tried to steal, fallback plan to smear.  Duh.


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Are his words as meaningless as the Birth Certificate thing ? The long form one ?
  Karma is a bitch  huh dude ?



At this point I wouldnt be surprised if Trump was right about that, too.


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Obamagate is worse than watergate. Obama is a complete sicko.


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What kind of branch/tree is that behind the fungi in your sig Psillynut?  Where’d you find them goodies at...







My front yard , I don’t know what type of tree it is , it’s outdoor cultivation run amuck , I find a few handfuls every year and It’s been 7 years since I’ve done anything .


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    #26678410 - 05/18/20 08:00 AM (13 days, 18 hours ago)

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At this point I wouldnt be surprised if Trump was right about that, too.



 
  Mmmm, conspiracy theories about the Black President are cool, if we do it to the white one though it’s treason and people need to die .
 

That’s epic white privilege right there . Blatant as fuck too.


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    #26678999 - 05/18/20 01:24 PM (13 days, 13 hours ago)

The last conspiracy Dump made about Obama went nowhere.


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    #26679017 - 05/18/20 01:34 PM (13 days, 13 hours ago)

I’ve still not seen anyone be able to tell me what crimes Obama committed

Trump was asked and he said something along the lines of “you know what he did.”

Even compared to other conspiracy theories this one isn’t very well fleshed out.


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    #26679038 - 05/18/20 01:48 PM (13 days, 13 hours ago)

Its true, Glen Beck told me. For real though, at least drop Fast n Furious (kinda of a scandal); this whole Flyn thing amounts to a hill of beans.


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    #26679727 - 05/18/20 07:53 PM (13 days, 7 hours ago)

I have told you.  You choose to deny, though, purely out of spite.  And thats ok.  No need to lie though.


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    #26680506 - 05/19/20 07:14 AM (12 days, 19 hours ago)

If Senate Republicans don't embrace "Obamagate" it remains nothing but a Trump rhetorical device to shift blame/focus away from him. So far the Senate  has resisted. Trump has recently just about begged Mitch McConnel to get on board with this. McConnel is up for reelection against a strong candidate, and they are both heavily funded with a lot of out of state money. Republicans in congress and particularly those up for reelection, which is all the House and one third of the Senate, have become apprehensive about tying their fates to Trump, which is a break from their pre-crisis stance.

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So it was ok to investigate Trump, but not Obama?  An Enlil always says, what's wrong with investigating?


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I have told you.  You choose to deny, though, purely out of spite.  And thats ok.  No need to lie though.




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Nothing wrong with investigating. If we get the same "nothing burger" that we got with russia gate though, and only obamas cronies go to jail...are we going to get the same rhetoric about how everyone around Obama was a criminal and it cant just be coincidence?  It will be very interesting.

My logic is that if Hilary didn't go to hail, neither is Obama. This sounds like just another deflection from Dump.


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So it was ok to investigate Trump, but not Obama?  An Enlil always says, what's wrong with investigating?



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It was ok to investigate Hillary but not Trump ?


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So it was ok to investigate Trump, but not Obama?  An Enlil always says, what's wrong with investigating?



For what?



How the DNC fabricated a Russian hacker conspiracy to deflect blame for its email scandal

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So it was ok to investigate Trump, but not Obama?  An Enlil always says, what's wrong with investigating?




Has it been proved that Obama is not Kenyon? Has it been proved that Obama did not bug the White House? They have not been proved. They have been judged as ludicrous.

It would be fine with me if they investigated Obama for any roll he played in getting the feds to inappropriately investigate Trump on Russia, IF, they also investigate Trump for all the financial irregularities he's been accused of, Trump says that is off the table until at least after the election.

Trump goes after anyone who isn't a sycophant to him, frequently just making up the accusations as he goes along. He would no doubt treat his losing the election as clear cut evidence of a vast conspiracy against him.

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So it was ok to investigate Trump, but not Obama?  An Enlil always says, what's wrong with investigating?




The problem is that we seem to be treating unfounded allegations about Trump as a reason to not investigate him for anything else. Obama has been investigated for far fetched conspiracy theories about him, yet we should continue to investigate him.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26681174 - 05/19/20 01:32 PM (12 days, 13 hours ago)

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So it was ok to investigate Trump, but not Obama?  An Enlil always says, what's wrong with investigating?




The problem is that we seem to be treating unfounded allegations about Trump as a reason to not investigate him for anything else. Obama has been investigated for far fetched conspiracy theories about him, yet we should continue to investigate him.




Who investigated "far fetched conspiracy theories" about Obama?  The FBI and DOJ?


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    #26681214 - 05/19/20 01:55 PM (12 days, 13 hours ago)

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It would be fine with me if they investigated Obama for any roll he played in getting the feds to inappropriately investigate Trump on Russia, IF, they also investigate Trump for all the financial irregularities he's been accused of, Trump says that is off the table until at least after the election.



I'm confused.  If Trump can decide what's 'off the table', why couldn't he get the feds to stop the Russia collusion investigation?

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Trump goes after anyone who isn't a sycophant to him, frequently just making up the accusations as he goes along. He would no doubt treat his losing the election as clear cut evidence of a vast conspiracy against him.

This is not about justice. It's only about his reelection.



Perhaps you missed this?  Ignore that it's from Jimmy Dore if you don't like him and just listen to the interviews:



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    #26681262 - 05/19/20 02:22 PM (12 days, 12 hours ago)

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Who investigated "far fetched conspiracy theories" about Obama?  The FBI and DOJ?




  The same people who are pretending to investigate the Biden’s .


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    #26681317 - 05/19/20 02:48 PM (12 days, 12 hours ago)

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Who investigated "far fetched conspiracy theories" about Obama?  The FBI and DOJ?




  The same people who are pretending to investigate the Biden’s .




So there obviously wasn't any formal investigation into Obama, correct?


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26681401 - 05/19/20 03:44 PM (12 days, 11 hours ago)

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So it was ok to investigate Trump, but not Obama?  An Enlil always says, what's wrong with investigating?



For what?



How the DNC fabricated a Russian hacker conspiracy to deflect blame for its email scandal

Nothing wrong with investigating, right?




It was investigated and the hackers have been charged

Can you give a serious answer?


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    #26681634 - 05/19/20 06:26 PM (12 days, 8 hours ago)

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How the DNC fabricated a Russian hacker conspiracy to deflect blame for its email scandal

Nothing wrong with investigating, right?



It was investigated and the hackers have been charged



Someone got charged for coordination between the Russian Government and the Trump campaign?

Source, or make believe?


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26681682 - 05/19/20 07:00 PM (12 days, 7 hours ago)

That's not what he said. You're the one making shit up


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    #26681717 - 05/19/20 07:25 PM (12 days, 7 hours ago)

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That's not what he said. You're the one making shit up



Koods asked what Obama should be investigated for.  The answer was for helping fabricate a story to cover DNC corruption, not because Russian hackers were charged.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26681722 - 05/19/20 07:28 PM (12 days, 7 hours ago)

You quoted what he said. Then you implied he said something else.


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    #26681724 - 05/19/20 07:29 PM (12 days, 7 hours ago)

I also quoted what I said.


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    #26681726 - 05/19/20 07:30 PM (12 days, 7 hours ago)

Yup... you said there's nothing wrong with investigating.


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    #26681733 - 05/19/20 07:33 PM (12 days, 7 hours ago)

I also quoted a story about how Trump-Russia collusion was fabricated to cover the DNC scandal.  The Mueller report could not find sufficient evidence that the Trump campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities"


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    #26681747 - 05/19/20 07:37 PM (12 days, 7 hours ago)

Doubtful anyone read that story.


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    #26681803 - 05/19/20 08:04 PM (12 days, 6 hours ago)

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I also quoted a story about how Trump-Russia collusion was fabricated to cover the DNC scandal.  The Mueller report could not find sufficient evidence that the Trump campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities"






How the fuck did this happen then ?

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Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations,” Mueller wrote. “The incidents were often carried out through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels. These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General’s recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony.”




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    #26681953 - 05/19/20 09:21 PM (12 days, 5 hours ago)

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I also quoted a story about how Trump-Russia collusion was fabricated to cover the DNC scandal.  The Mueller report could not find sufficient evidence that the Trump campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities"






How the fuck did this happen then ?

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Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations,” Mueller wrote. “The incidents were often carried out through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels. These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General’s recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony.”






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    #26681969 - 05/19/20 09:28 PM (12 days, 5 hours ago)

That was Volume 2.  As Wikipedia summarized:

Volume I of the report concludes that the investigation did not find sufficient evidence that the campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities".

Volume II of the report addresses obstruction of justice.


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    #26682984 - 05/20/20 10:10 AM (11 days, 16 hours ago)

If Trump did nothing wrong like Meltdowner says then volume 2 should detail an unprecedented level of cooperation rather than obstruction .
  Trump using the power of his office to influence the investigation invalidates the findings in volume 1 in my opinion .


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    #26683411 - 05/20/20 01:53 PM (11 days, 13 hours ago)

The potential obstruction of justice charge was just something Mueller threw in to cover for his failure to find anything related to coordination with Russia, and to give his followers something to talk about when the official investigation ended with a big nothing burger.  Let's look at the specifics you provided, shall we?

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Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations,” Mueller wrote.



So Mueller discovered that a president has influence?

Kind of like he 'discovered' that the Russians are spying on us?  :lol:

That guy puts out some ground breaking information.

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“The incidents were often carried out through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels. These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General’s recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony.”



No duh.  The FBI was caught trying to prevent Trump from being president, and some wonder why he doesn't trust them?


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26683420 - 05/20/20 01:57 PM (11 days, 12 hours ago)

How exactly did the FBI try to prevent trump from becoming president if they kept their investigation secret until after the election?

Instead of giving us a link, explain in your own words how the FBI tried to influence the election against trump.


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    #26683426 - 05/20/20 01:59 PM (11 days, 12 hours ago)

Watch the video, then ask the FBI.


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    #26683448 - 05/20/20 02:08 PM (11 days, 12 hours ago)

Ok the first interview was a guy saying the FBI used to try to keep socialists out of the organization. I stopped listening there.

Can you tell us how the FBI tried to keep trump from being elected. Be specific to their actions that they took to further this goal.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26683462 - 05/20/20 02:16 PM (11 days, 12 hours ago)

If you won't trust the FBI itself, why will you trust me?

Anyway, they were floating Russia conspiracy theories LONG before the election.  Were you not aware of this?


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    #26683465 - 05/20/20 02:18 PM (11 days, 12 hours ago)

Can you answer the question?


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    #26683467 - 05/20/20 02:19 PM (11 days, 12 hours ago)

I did... "they were floating Russia conspiracy theories LONG before the election."


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    #26683472 - 05/20/20 02:21 PM (11 days, 12 hours ago)

So you have nothing


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    #26683479 - 05/20/20 02:24 PM (11 days, 12 hours ago)

I have the FBI admitting they tried to stop Trump in the video above.  If you call that "nothing", you're an even greater make believer than I thought.


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    #26683484 - 05/20/20 02:26 PM (11 days, 12 hours ago)

The FBI admitted they tried to stop trump? And what actions did they take to make that happen?


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    #26683485 - 05/20/20 02:27 PM (11 days, 12 hours ago)

I already told you... "they were floating Russia conspiracy theories LONG before the election."


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    #26683499 - 05/20/20 02:33 PM (11 days, 12 hours ago)

Nvm you can’t answer the question because you don’t have a coherent answer.


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    #26683513 - 05/20/20 02:42 PM (11 days, 12 hours ago)

Whether or not you believe floating Russian conspiracy theories was intended to be harmful to Trump or not, it explains "how the FBI tried to keep trump from being elected" (your question), which the FBI admitted to.

I'll ask anyone else here whether or not they follow the logic above, or if I "don’t have a coherent answer".


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    #26683518 - 05/20/20 02:48 PM (11 days, 12 hours ago)

*ahem* Trump had a conflict of interest with Russia, which is part of what prompted their suspicions of him. He also already had an on-going relationship with Putin and probably some other big oligarch names in the country. I also remember Trump personally saying for Russia to help hack Hillary during his campaign. Does none of that mean they had a valid reason to be suspicious of him?


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*ahem* Trump had a conflict of interest with Russia, which is part of what prompted their suspicions of him.



I assume you mean he convinced some Russian's to invest in his business?

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He also already had an on-going relationship with Putin...



Can you tell us more about this, or is this a conspiracy theory?

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I also remember Trump personally saying for Russia to help hack Hillary during his campaign. Does none of that mean they had a valid reason to be suspicious of him?



Some of us laughed at Trump's joke.  Obviously, Russia never delivered.


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    #26683547 - 05/20/20 03:03 PM (11 days, 11 hours ago)

The video has jimmy dore claiming they were trying to stop trump from getting elected.  No one from the FBI is admitting that.


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    #26683569 - 05/20/20 03:11 PM (11 days, 11 hours ago)

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Whether or not you believe floating Russian conspiracy theories was intended to be harmful to Trump or not, it explains "how the FBI tried to keep trump from being elected" (your question), which the FBI admitted to.

I'll ask anyone else here whether or not they follow the logic above, or if I "don’t have a coherent answer".




I want you to explain how the FBI tried to keep trump from being elected. What did they do specifically to make this happen. In your words. No links.


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*ahem* Trump had a conflict of interest with Russia, which is part of what prompted their suspicions of him.



I assume you mean he convinced some Russian's to invest in his business?

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He also already had an on-going relationship with Putin...



Can you tell us more about this, or is this a conspiracy theory?

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I also remember Trump personally saying for Russia to help hack Hillary during his campaign. Does none of that mean they had a valid reason to be suspicious of him?



Some of us laughed at Trump's joke.  Obviously, Russia never delivered.




Maybe a joke. Maybe an attempt to collude. We don’t know what trump was thinking or why he said it, but the words themselves were encouraging illegal activity, and extremely irresponsible. If you’re going to complain about being unfairly scrutinized by the FBI, it doesn’t help that you were out publicly asking the Russians to commit illegal acts on your behalf, joking or not.


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    #26683686 - 05/20/20 04:23 PM (11 days, 10 hours ago)

Why didn’t trump denounce the hacking?  Why didn’t they report the Russian overtures to law enforcement? Where’s the investigation into the leaks from the FBI to Rudy guiliani about the Clinton investigation?


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26683766 - 05/20/20 04:55 PM (11 days, 10 hours ago)

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The video has jimmy dore claiming they were trying to stop trump from getting elected.  No one from the FBI is admitting that.



When Lisa Page asked Peter Strzok, the Deputy Assistant Director of the FBI, whether Trump would ever become President, Strzok responded “No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it”.

Peter Strzok read that text to Congress in the video I posted.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26683772 - 05/20/20 05:00 PM (11 days, 9 hours ago)

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I want you to explain how the FBI tried to keep trump from being elected. What did they do specifically to make this happen. In your words. No links.



For the fourth time now... "they were floating Russia conspiracy theories LONG before the election."

Here it is again without the link (that link was for people who want to learn something):

"they were floating Russia conspiracy theories LONG before the election."


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    #26683786 - 05/20/20 05:08 PM (11 days, 9 hours ago)

Whatever dude


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    #26683787 - 05/20/20 05:09 PM (11 days, 9 hours ago)

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I want you to explain how the FBI tried to keep trump from being elected. What did they do specifically to make this happen. In your words. No links.



For the fourth time now... "they were floating Russia conspiracy theories LONG before the election."

Here it is again without the link (that link was for people who want to learn something):

"they were floating Russia conspiracy theories LONG before the election."



If you look at the dates on those google searches, all the theories on ruasian interference occur after the president made his joke. NYT has an article about trump making his joke poated July 30th 2016, and then one dated a month later in August of 2016 talking about Harry Reid citing evidence of Russian collusion...there is one dated July 27th that talks about the DNC being hacked. Hilary pointed the finger at trump about that apparently.

Seems like the dumpster caused his own witch hunt by saying something retarded on national television.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 1
    #26683797 - 05/20/20 05:17 PM (11 days, 9 hours ago)

Don’t feed the trolls


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26683802 - 05/20/20 05:17 PM (11 days, 9 hours ago)

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The video has jimmy dore claiming they were trying to stop trump from getting elected.  No one from the FBI is admitting that.



When Lisa Page asked Peter Strzok, the Deputy Assistant Director of the FBI, whether Trump would ever become President, Strzok responded “No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it”.

Peter Strzok read that text to Congress in the video I posted.



Yup.  A text taken out of context.  No one explained who "we" is.  No one explained HOW "we" will stop it.  Jimmy Dore just assumed, and you took his word as gospel, as usual.


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    #26683817 - 05/20/20 05:24 PM (11 days, 9 hours ago)

He’s also conflating two people who work for the FBI with the entire organization.

I’m still waiting for him to detail the actual actions the FBI took to make trump lose the election.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
    #26683824 - 05/20/20 05:25 PM (11 days, 9 hours ago)

That's my point...who's "we?"  Him and his buddies?  Democrats?  The American people?  That hasn't been made clear at all.


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    #26683891 - 05/20/20 05:50 PM (11 days, 9 hours ago)

You tube comedians make the best news sources.
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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil]
    #26684143 - 05/20/20 07:37 PM (11 days, 7 hours ago)

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That's my point...who's "we?"  Him and his buddies?  Democrats?  The American people?  That hasn't been made clear at all.



Ya, right.  The guy who would lead the FBI's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections actually meant "him and his buddies" are going to stop Trump from becoming president.  :facepalm:  :shake:

Actually, Congress asked Strzok about it and he said "I don't recall writing that text"!!!

But fortunately, he DID remember that "that text in no way suggested that I or the FBI would take any action to influence the candidacy of candidate Trump".

So the "we" from his text that he didn't remember, didn't even include himself!!!  :flowstone:



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Jimmy Dore just assumed, and you took his word as gospel, as usual.



It's a very logical assumption.  You're not speaking to a retarded jury, as you're probably used to doing in court.


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    #26684144 - 05/20/20 07:37 PM (11 days, 7 hours ago)

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The video has jimmy dore claiming they were trying to stop trump from getting elected.  No one from the FBI is admitting that.



There are texts of FBI agents who worked for Comey saying they would not let Trump win and have a backup plan if he does.  So yes, there is evidence.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: vinsue] * 1
    #26684151 - 05/20/20 07:41 PM (11 days, 7 hours ago)

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You tube comedians make the best news sources.
:blah::naughty:  . . . :peace:



Describing him as such is incredibly misleasing and inaccurate.  Youre being willfully ignorant and you know it.

Jimmy Dore lays out the timeline perfectly and on his show he has a well known reporter confirming the info.  Admit it, you were all wromg about Trump and you are simply too embarrassed admit it.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26684198 - 05/20/20 08:02 PM (11 days, 6 hours ago)

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If you look at the dates on those google searches, all the theories on russian interference occur after the president made his joke. NYT has an article about trump making his joke posted July 30th 2016



The theories about Russian interference started before the joke (that's why he made the joke).  This is from the NYT on 24 July 2016:

As Democrats Gather, a Russian Subplot Raises Intrigue
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Is Vladimir V. Putin trying to meddle in the American presidential election?

Until Friday, that charge, with its eerie suggestion of a Kremlin conspiracy to aid Donald J. Trump, has been only whispered.

But the release on Friday of some 20,000 stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee’s computer servers, many of them embarrassing to Democratic leaders, has intensified discussion of the role of Russian intelligence agencies in disrupting the 2016 campaign.




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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
    #26684202 - 05/20/20 08:03 PM (11 days, 6 hours ago)

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He’s also conflating two people who work for the FBI with the entire organization.

I’m still waiting for him to detail the actual actions the FBI took to make trump lose the election.



Here it is for the sixth time:

"they were floating Russia conspiracy theories LONG before the election."


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    #26684214 - 05/20/20 08:11 PM (11 days, 6 hours ago)

Nice red herring by the trump house.

More smoke & mirrors.

Pandemic strikes, botch the response, then when ya get sick of dealing with it the right way just throw your hands up, stick your head in the sand, and pretend it over/ not a big deal anymore- then open everything back up like nothing happened - bc it was too much to handle.

Ignore/Forget about the ensuing sickness & death & suffering & financial woes coming down the pipeline.

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    #26684238 - 05/20/20 08:20 PM (11 days, 6 hours ago)

Wrong thread?  Was anyone talking about COVID-19?  :shrug:


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    #26684298 - 05/20/20 08:57 PM (11 days, 5 hours ago)

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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26684368 - 05/20/20 09:41 PM (11 days, 5 hours ago)

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But fortunately, he DID remember that "that text in no way suggested that I or the FBI would take any action to influence the candidacy of candidate Trump".





So, this whole time you knew that dore was lying and then you repeated the lie.  You literally told us all that he ADMITTED to the very same thing he clearly denies doing.


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    #26684390 - 05/20/20 09:55 PM (11 days, 5 hours ago)

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The video has jimmy dore claiming they were trying to stop trump from getting elected.  No one from the FBI is admitting that.



There are texts of FBI agents who worked for Comey saying they would not let Trump win and have a backup plan if he does.  So yes, there is evidence.




And what actions did they take to stop trump from being president? Maybe they were joking, like trump was when he asked Russian to find hillary’s emails.


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    #26684398 - 05/20/20 10:01 PM (11 days, 4 hours ago)

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If you look at the dates on those google searches, all the theories on russian interference occur after the president made his joke. NYT has an article about trump making his joke posted July 30th 2016



The theories about Russian interference started before the joke (that's why he made the joke).  This is from the NYT on 24 July 2016:

As Democrats Gather, a Russian Subplot Raises Intrigue
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Is Vladimir V. Putin trying to meddle in the American presidential election?

Until Friday, that charge, with its eerie suggestion of a Kremlin conspiracy to aid Donald J. Trump, has been only whispered.

But the release on Friday of some 20,000 stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee’s computer servers, many of them embarrassing to Democratic leaders, has intensified discussion of the role of Russian intelligence agencies in disrupting the 2016 campaign.







What does that have to do with FBI floating conspiracy theories? The DNC was hacked and those emails were released. That is a crime and the DNC’s security firm said it was Russia. Extensive investigations by the FBI, the special counsel and the senate intel committee confirmed the DNC’s allegations.

It’s not a conspiracy theory that Russia hacked the DNC. It’s conspiracy fact.

I can’t believe you’re still in denial about this.

Can you describe the conspiracy theories the FBI was floating instead of just insisting they did.


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