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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26684144 - 05/20/20 07:37 PM (11 days, 7 hours ago)

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The video has jimmy dore claiming they were trying to stop trump from getting elected.  No one from the FBI is admitting that.



There are texts of FBI agents who worked for Comey saying they would not let Trump win and have a backup plan if he does.  So yes, there is evidence.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: vinsue] * 1
    #26684151 - 05/20/20 07:41 PM (11 days, 7 hours ago)

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You tube comedians make the best news sources.
:blah::naughty:  . . . :peace:



Describing him as such is incredibly misleasing and inaccurate.  Youre being willfully ignorant and you know it.

Jimmy Dore lays out the timeline perfectly and on his show he has a well known reporter confirming the info.  Admit it, you were all wromg about Trump and you are simply too embarrassed admit it.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26684198 - 05/20/20 08:02 PM (11 days, 7 hours ago)

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If you look at the dates on those google searches, all the theories on russian interference occur after the president made his joke. NYT has an article about trump making his joke posted July 30th 2016



The theories about Russian interference started before the joke (that's why he made the joke).  This is from the NYT on 24 July 2016:

As Democrats Gather, a Russian Subplot Raises Intrigue
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Is Vladimir V. Putin trying to meddle in the American presidential election?

Until Friday, that charge, with its eerie suggestion of a Kremlin conspiracy to aid Donald J. Trump, has been only whispered.

But the release on Friday of some 20,000 stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee’s computer servers, many of them embarrassing to Democratic leaders, has intensified discussion of the role of Russian intelligence agencies in disrupting the 2016 campaign.




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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
    #26684202 - 05/20/20 08:03 PM (11 days, 7 hours ago)

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He’s also conflating two people who work for the FBI with the entire organization.

I’m still waiting for him to detail the actual actions the FBI took to make trump lose the election.



Here it is for the sixth time:

"they were floating Russia conspiracy theories LONG before the election."


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26684214 - 05/20/20 08:11 PM (11 days, 6 hours ago)

Nice red herring by the trump house.

More smoke & mirrors.

Pandemic strikes, botch the response, then when ya get sick of dealing with it the right way just throw your hands up, stick your head in the sand, and pretend it over/ not a big deal anymore- then open everything back up like nothing happened - bc it was too much to handle.

Ignore/Forget about the ensuing sickness & death & suffering & financial woes coming down the pipeline.

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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26684238 - 05/20/20 08:20 PM (11 days, 6 hours ago)

Wrong thread?  Was anyone talking about COVID-19?  :shrug:


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26684298 - 05/20/20 08:57 PM (11 days, 6 hours ago)

Just felt like it


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26684368 - 05/20/20 09:41 PM (11 days, 5 hours ago)

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But fortunately, he DID remember that "that text in no way suggested that I or the FBI would take any action to influence the candidacy of candidate Trump".





So, this whole time you knew that dore was lying and then you repeated the lie.  You literally told us all that he ADMITTED to the very same thing he clearly denies doing.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: meltdowner]
    #26684390 - 05/20/20 09:55 PM (11 days, 5 hours ago)

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The video has jimmy dore claiming they were trying to stop trump from getting elected.  No one from the FBI is admitting that.



There are texts of FBI agents who worked for Comey saying they would not let Trump win and have a backup plan if he does.  So yes, there is evidence.




And what actions did they take to stop trump from being president? Maybe they were joking, like trump was when he asked Russian to find hillary’s emails.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26684398 - 05/20/20 10:01 PM (11 days, 5 hours ago)

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If you look at the dates on those google searches, all the theories on russian interference occur after the president made his joke. NYT has an article about trump making his joke posted July 30th 2016



The theories about Russian interference started before the joke (that's why he made the joke).  This is from the NYT on 24 July 2016:

As Democrats Gather, a Russian Subplot Raises Intrigue
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Is Vladimir V. Putin trying to meddle in the American presidential election?

Until Friday, that charge, with its eerie suggestion of a Kremlin conspiracy to aid Donald J. Trump, has been only whispered.

But the release on Friday of some 20,000 stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee’s computer servers, many of them embarrassing to Democratic leaders, has intensified discussion of the role of Russian intelligence agencies in disrupting the 2016 campaign.







What does that have to do with FBI floating conspiracy theories? The DNC was hacked and those emails were released. That is a crime and the DNC’s security firm said it was Russia. Extensive investigations by the FBI, the special counsel and the senate intel committee confirmed the DNC’s allegations.

It’s not a conspiracy theory that Russia hacked the DNC. It’s conspiracy fact.

I can’t believe you’re still in denial about this.

Can you describe the conspiracy theories the FBI was floating instead of just insisting they did.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
    #26684520 - 05/20/20 11:11 PM (11 days, 3 hours ago)

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And what actions did they take to stop trump from being president?



Here it is for the seventh time:

"they were floating Russia conspiracy theories LONG before the election."


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Enlil]
    #26684560 - 05/20/20 11:31 PM (11 days, 3 hours ago)

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But fortunately, he DID remember that "that text in no way suggested that I or the FBI would take any action to influence the candidacy of candidate Trump".



So, this whole time you knew that dore was lying and then you repeated the lie.  You literally told us all that he ADMITTED to the very same thing he clearly denies doing.



Strzok said that his text ("We’ll stop it") "in no way suggested that I or the FBI would take any action to influence the candidacy of candidate Trump", yet he admitted in the video that by "it" he meant "his candidacy for the President".

Can you please tell me how it's possible for him to stop Trump's candidacy without taking any action to influence it?  That appears to be a very clear lie.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26684622 - 05/21/20 12:08 AM (11 days, 2 hours ago)

Yeah what he’s saying is his words were aspirational, and he didn’t follow through or he wasn’t serious. It was a joke like Trump asking Russia to find hillary’s emails.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
    #26684661 - 05/21/20 12:40 AM (11 days, 2 hours ago)

I missed one of your posts, but I'll respond to it now:

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The DNC was hacked and those emails were released. That is a crime and the DNC’s security firm said it was Russia.



Yes, but CrowdStrike said they only had "circumstantial evidence".  'Welp, that's the kind of thing Russia might do, so we have circumstantial evidence it's Russia.'

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Extensive investigations by the FBI, the special counsel and the senate intel committee confirmed the DNC’s allegations.

It’s not a conspiracy theory that Russia hacked the DNC. It’s conspiracy fact.



What extensive investigations?  CrowdStrike did the investigation.  Welp, we have high confidence it was Russia because that's the kind of thing the Russians might do.  That's not evidence to me.

As I've pointed out many times before, there's a LOT more evidence that it wasn't Russia than there is it was.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
    #26684663 - 05/21/20 12:41 AM (11 days, 2 hours ago)

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Yeah what he’s saying is his words were aspirational, and he didn’t follow through or he wasn’t serious. It was a joke like Trump asking Russia to find hillary’s emails.



Context.  Strzok was texting his girlfriend, while Trump was trying to fire up his base.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26685006 - 05/21/20 07:12 AM (10 days, 19 hours ago)

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It would be fine with me if they investigated Obama for any roll he played in getting the feds to inappropriately investigate Trump on Russia, IF, they also investigate Trump for all the financial irregularities he's been accused of, Trump says that is off the table until at least after the election.



I'm confused.  If Trump can decide what's 'off the table', why couldn't he get the feds to stop the Russia collusion investigation?

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Trump goes after anyone who isn't a sycophant to him, frequently just making up the accusations as he goes along. He would no doubt treat his losing the election as clear cut evidence of a vast conspiracy against him.

This is not about justice. It's only about his reelection.



Perhaps you missed this?  Ignore that it's from Jimmy Dore if you don't like him and just listen to the interviews:






The FBI stuff is shocking and despicable, I'll grant you that.

But you know me. I'm not idealistic. This is war. I hate Trump.  So people who try to hurt him are alright with me.  I have been critical of the FBI since the conspiracy against the Black Panthers.  I guess you can say I'm partisan to an extreme degree.

Damn, it is hard for me to watch Jimmy Dore.

I said Trump was deciding what's off the table on his financials (not Russian collusion) and it appears that the Supreme Court just decided he can put that off until at least after the election. I'm not sure how narrow or broad the implications of that are, and specifically whether that handcuffs the New York State investigations. Trump maintains he can't be forced to divulge his financials while he is President.

Maybe the FBI and the Supreme Court should perform their duties with more impartiality.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: koods]
    #26685193 - 05/21/20 08:59 AM (10 days, 18 hours ago)

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Yeah what he’s saying is his words were aspirational, and he didn’t follow through or he wasn’t serious. It was a joke like Trump asking Russia to find hillary’s emails.



Its funny how trumpa rhetoric is open to wide brush stroke interpretations, but everyone else's needs to be taken oh so seriously.


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26685286 - 05/21/20 09:52 AM (10 days, 17 hours ago)

I got that wrong. The Supreme Court just blocked Congress from receiving grand jury info from Mueller's Russia interference investigation. Today's Wall Street Journal said "The court, in a written order Wednesday, granted an emergency request by the Trump administration to keep the materials secret while it mounts a full high court appeal against their release."

I'm not saying there is anything there, but can somebody explain what are Trump's motivations, if there is nothing there?


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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26685467 - 05/21/20 11:19 AM (10 days, 15 hours ago)

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I said Trump was deciding what's off the table on his financials (not Russian collusion) and it appears that the Supreme Court just decided he can put that off until at least after the election. I'm not sure how narrow or broad the implications of that are, and specifically whether that handcuffs the New York State investigations. Trump maintains he can't be forced to divulge his financials while he is President.



Do you have an article on this so I can better understand what you're referring to?

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The Supreme Court just blocked Congress from receiving grand jury info from Mueller's Russia interference investigation.

I'm not saying there is anything there, but can somebody explain what are Trump's motivations, if there is nothing there?



I'll offer one possible theory:

Right now the Dems are going crazy insisting the missing evidence is somewhere in the grand jury testimony.  I think it's highly unlikely that the 'gotcha' evidence was presented to the grand jury and Mueller simply forgot to put it his report.

So now Trump is trying to ensure the Dems make as big a deal as possible out of this, and then he'll let the grand jury materials get released closer to the elections.

Another giant nothing burger against Trump pretty much guarantees him a victory.

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Re: #ObamaGate [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26686419 - 05/21/20 07:27 PM (10 days, 7 hours ago)

You may be right. I was honestly a bit puzzled by it. But the reverse psychology you are suggesting is a bit more sophisticated than his usual style.


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