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is there psilocybin in cubensis mycelium?
    #24925184 - 01/19/18 09:26 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Things have taken a turn where I'm not 100% sure about the security of the place where I grow. I'm wondering would cubensis mycelium on a petri dish be identifiable as such; is there psilocybin in it?

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Re: is there psilocybin in cubensis mycelium? [Re: Yosemite Joe]
    #24925327 - 01/19/18 10:26 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Idk much on the topic but i would say that if you feel insecure it is probably best not to grow at all or find a better location like an outdoor grow.

To answer you question though, I doubt anyone would go through the trouble to try and ID your mycelium. Cube myc Doesnt contain enough psilocybin (if any at all) to make it worth just growing the myc.

if you are worried about your security then just knock up a few jars and wait for the season for outdoor grows. If you are in an urban area and have no where to grow outdoors you could simply buy a flower pot. Put some flowers in it with your myc and just leave it on your porch so it just looks like random shrooms growing in your flower pot from spores already in the dirt. If you do this though you will need to do your research though so you know the best methods.


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Re: is there psilocybin in cubensis mycelium? [Re: dont trust midgets]
    #24925336 - 01/19/18 10:29 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Terrence McKenna said fruiting was a waste of time and to just eat mycelium :shrug:

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Re: is there psilocybin in cubensis mycelium? [Re: Bird_Guts]
    #24927267 - 01/20/18 04:17 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

If i'm not mistaken, there is a little bit of psilocybin

But I know that as soon as you inoculate 'illegal mushrooms' into a substrate... it's illegal

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Re: is there psilocybin in cubensis mycelium? [Re: Bird_Guts]
    #24927492 - 01/20/18 08:28 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Bird_Guts said:
Terrence McKenna said fruiting was a waste of time and to just eat mycelium :shrug:

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I wouldn't mind seeing a link to that quote if you have one...  I thought that there was no psilocybin in mycelium until it starts fruiting.

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Re: is there psilocybin in cubensis mycelium? [Re: Sidestreet]
    #24927505 - 01/20/18 08:37 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Terrence McKenna said fruiting was a waste of time and to just eat mycelium :shrug:

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I wouldn't mind seeing a link to that quote if you have one...  I thought that there was no psilocybin in mycelium until it starts fruiting.




Mycelium does have psilocybin, it will bruise blue. That's why you can buy spores of active species but you cannot buy cultures.

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Re: is there psilocybin in cubensis mycelium? [Re: Invader Zim]
    #24932987 - 01/22/18 04:34 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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JOURNAL OF FORENSIC SCIENCES
American Academy of Forensic Sciences (1948)
Volume 45 - Number 3 - May 2000 - JFSCAS 45 (3)513-754 (2000)

Susan T Gross, B.A.
Forensic Scientist, Minnesota Forensic Science Laboratory, 1246 University Ave. St. Paul, Minnesota.

This project was supported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Minneapolis Field Office.

Received 26 Feb. 1999: and in revised form 12 May 1999: accepted 23 Aug. 1999.

REFERENCE: Gross ST. Detecting psychoactive drugs in the developmental stages of mushrooms. J Forensic Sci 2000;45(3):527-537.

ABSTRACT: The following questions regarding the detection of psychoactive drugs in mushrooms are
addressed: At what stage of the mushroom development can the psychoactive drugs psilocyn and psilocybin be
identified,
and what effect does light have on the growth of these mushrooms. To answer these questions,
Psilocybe cyanescens Wakefield mushrooms were grown from their spores in a controlled setting. At various
times of their development, samples were taken and analyzed for psilocyn and psilocybin. Knowing what stage
of development the psychoactive drugs can be identified may be useful to law enforcement personnel and
forensic chemists. Methanolic extracts of various samples were analyzed by TLC and by GC/MS. It was
determined that the mycelium knot stage of the mushroom was the earliest stage at which the psychoactive
drugs could be detected.
It was observed that light affected the time of development and the appearance of
these mushrooms.




This is the source that I was thinking of.  They used P. Cyanescens, which could be different. 

I'm wondering if there's any info specific to P. Cubensis. 

If Cubensis is the same, then mycelial syringes and other cultures are not illegal because they contain psilocybin, but because they only exist for an illegal purpose--the crime I'm thinking of is intent to manufacture.

At the same time, you could eat mycelium from a fruited culture and trip.

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Re: is there psilocybin in cubensis mycelium? [Re: Sidestreet]
    #24937577 - 01/23/18 10:00 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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JOURNAL OF FORENSIC SCIENCES
American Academy of Forensic Sciences (1948)
Volume 45 - Number 3 - May 2000 - JFSCAS 45 (3)513-754 (2000)

Susan T Gross, B.A.
Forensic Scientist, Minnesota Forensic Science Laboratory, 1246 University Ave. St. Paul, Minnesota.

This project was supported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Minneapolis Field Office.

Received 26 Feb. 1999: and in revised form 12 May 1999: accepted 23 Aug. 1999.

REFERENCE: Gross ST. Detecting psychoactive drugs in the developmental stages of mushrooms. J Forensic Sci 2000;45(3):527-537.

ABSTRACT: The following questions regarding the detection of psychoactive drugs in mushrooms are
addressed: At what stage of the mushroom development can the psychoactive drugs psilocyn and psilocybin be
identified,
and what effect does light have on the growth of these mushrooms. To answer these questions,
Psilocybe cyanescens Wakefield mushrooms were grown from their spores in a controlled setting. At various
times of their development, samples were taken and analyzed for psilocyn and psilocybin. Knowing what stage
of development the psychoactive drugs can be identified may be useful to law enforcement personnel and
forensic chemists. Methanolic extracts of various samples were analyzed by TLC and by GC/MS. It was
determined that the mycelium knot stage of the mushroom was the earliest stage at which the psychoactive
drugs could be detected.
It was observed that light affected the time of development and the appearance of
these mushrooms.




This is the source that I was thinking of.  They used P. Cyanescens, which could be different. 

I'm wondering if there's any info specific to P. Cubensis. 

If Cubensis is the same, then mycelial syringes and other cultures are not illegal because they contain psilocybin, but because they only exist for an illegal purpose--the crime I'm thinking of is intent to manufacture.

At the same time, you could eat mycelium from a fruited culture and trip.




That's exactly the info I was looking for,thanks! So the "mycelium knot stage" is the pre-pin stage,yes? My concern is can the law enforcement identify that you have psilocybin mycelium growing on agar if that's all they'd find?

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Re: is there psilocybin in cubensis mycelium? [Re: Yosemite Joe]
    #24937900 - 01/24/18 04:39 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Well if that article applies to Cubensis or other species and they get an agar plate they might not be able to test it for psilocybin but they can still grow it out.  If their lab can produce the mushrooms (or simply identify the mycelium) a plate of mycelium is probably worth an attempt charge to them just like a mycelium syringe.

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Re: is there psilocybin in cubensis mycelium? [Re: Sidestreet]
    #24947259 - 01/27/18 11:41 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Well I can't believe that they would have the time and resources to fruit shrooms? Maybe if the national security would be on the line, but not for just some random stoner from the suburbs :rasta:

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Re: is there psilocybin in cubensis mycelium? [Re: Yosemite Joe]
    #24998057 - 02/16/18 04:46 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be too hard for your average forensic lab if they found enough unfruited mycelium to make it worth their while.  I mean, if a random stoner from the suburbs can do it...  :laugh:

On the other hand, that's probably just theoretical.  More than likely they'd find mushrooms and not need to prove what kind of mycelium it is.  They'd just test the mushrooms and that would be proof enough that any other mycelium is illicit.

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Re: is there psilocybin in cubensis mycelium? [Re: Sidestreet]
    #24998206 - 02/16/18 07:51 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

For an attempt charge, they wouldn't need to prove that the mycelium was viable, just that it was a species that produces psilocybin.


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Re: is there psilocybin in cubensis mycelium? [Re: Enlil]
    #24998445 - 02/16/18 10:14 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Its sad that we live at a time where possessing the wrong type of fungus is a capital offense.


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Re: is there psilocybin in cubensis mycelium? [Re: dont trust midgets]
    #24998487 - 02/16/18 10:30 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know what country you live in, but at least in America, that isn't the case.


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Re: is there psilocybin in cubensis mycelium? [Re: Enlil]
    #25003067 - 02/18/18 08:30 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I would think they don't have to show that is a species that contains psilocybin so much as they would just test if it does contain psilocybin. Does the specific species really matter in court?

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Re: is there psilocybin in cubensis mycelium? [Re: Byrain]
    #25005121 - 02/19/18 08:35 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Not directly, but if we're talking about attempt, it doesn't matter if the actual substance seized has psilocybin.  All that really matters is if the accused took actions with the INTENT to manufacture psilocybin.  Whether he was, or even could have been, successful is irrelevant.  If a species that contains psilocybin is seized, that could be used as evidence that the defendant chose that species with the intent to manufacture (or intent to possess...whichever).


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