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Absolute maximum amount of LC safe to use
    #24924311 - 01/18/18 09:13 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I am wondering what is the maximum amount of lc that can be used in a quart of rye grain? Im using RR's rye tek with coffe/gypsum, 24hr soak, and 10 min boil.  I have been letting the grain get a little more dry than usual and trying to add even more lc.

What is the "right amount" here(from Bodhisatta's unmodified tub tek)?
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LC to quart of spawn takes 3-4 days to colonize if you use the right amount






So far, I have tried 5 and shook it up to distribute it and the spawn took around 10 days.  Im using Josex's LC Tek (unfiltered grain water lc).

Can I dry the grain extra after hydrating and use even more?  Do you shake when you use a large amount of it?

I have pretty much unlimited of this lc, and I havent had any jars go bad from any of them.


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Re: Absolute maximum amount of LC safe to use [Re: psilocyanide]
    #24924325 - 01/18/18 09:19 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Absolute maximum amount of LC safe to use [Re: psilocyanide]
    #24924332 - 01/18/18 09:22 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Munch uses up to 50 ml in his blenderless LI tek.

Iโ€™ve only ever heard of pf-slurry finishing a grain jar that fast.
LC/LI to 1/2 pint pf tek is supoosed to be 4 days at 10-20 ml.


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Re: Absolute maximum amount of LC safe to use [Re: Mateja]
    #24924334 - 01/18/18 09:22 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I just dumped 400ml into 8 jars.  The bottom of the grain layer is almost under water.  ...didnt have enough on hand grains..  400ml of lc could easily do 20-30 quarts.

Dont shake a freshly inoculated lc jar.  Wait for that shit to recover.  I got yelled at once for doing that.:blush:


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Re: Absolute maximum amount of LC safe to use [Re: psilocyanide]
    #24924335 - 01/18/18 09:23 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

You should run an experiment

I never use more than ~5 ccโ€™s, but many members pour directly from the LC jar, Iโ€™m sure that ends up being at least 10ccs probably more.

Just brainstorming but maybe you could experiment with adding some dry verm or coir after your grain prep before the PC cycle so you can add extra.


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Re: Absolute maximum amount of LC safe to use [Re: mushboy]
    #24924337 - 01/18/18 09:28 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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I just dumped 400ml into 8 jars.  The bottom of the grain layer is almost under water.  ...didnt have enough on hand grains..  400ml of lc could easily do 20-30 quarts.

Dont shake a freshly inoculated lc jar.  Wait for that shit to recover.  I got yelled at once for doing that.:blush:






I have always shaken. Maybe I am slowing down my culture?:shrug:


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Re: Absolute maximum amount of LC safe to use [Re: mushboy]
    #24924343 - 01/18/18 09:30 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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I just dumped 400ml into 8 jars.  The bottom of the grain layer is almost under water.  ...didnt have enough on hand grains..  400ml of lc could easily do 20-30 quarts.

Dont shake a freshly inoculated lc jar.  Wait for that shit to recover.  I got yelled at once for doing that.:blush:





But how do you then get full colonization in 3-5 days as bod says? Maybe Iยดm missing something but it seems that the LC would have to be evenly distributed for those colonization times?

How fast do your qt jars colonize when inoculation with 50cc per jar?


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Re: Absolute maximum amount of LC safe to use [Re: AyePlus]
    #24924347 - 01/18/18 09:31 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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You should run an experiment

I never use more than ~5 ccโ€™s, but many members pour directly from the LC jar, Iโ€™m sure that ends up being at least 10ccs probably more.

Just brainstorming but maybe you could experiment with adding some dry verm or coir after your grain prep before the PC cycle so you can add extra.




I thought of adding dry verm, but then I thought that it wouldn't sterilize if it was dry. I thought it would all need to be wet to get sterilized in the jar.


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Re: Absolute maximum amount of LC safe to use [Re: Mateja]
    #24924353 - 01/18/18 09:33 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid: I agree, I'd like to hear more.

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Re: Absolute maximum amount of LC safe to use [Re: Changa Alchemist]
    #24924369 - 01/18/18 09:39 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Well I would think it would get some what moist when the water in the jar turns to steam and later condenses. Also vermiculite is mineral and should only have possible contamination on the surface, making it easier to knock out, or at least so I think.

I will add this. I usually use 10 ml of LC. I have poured and went through about 25ml per jar by pouring. If grain is prepped correctly it should be able to absorb the water from the LC. Now with more LC I was shaking gently, each day to distribute the water. I don't have to do this with 10 ml, but have been shaking when inoculating, to distribute the LC. This could be slowing down my leap off time.


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Re: Absolute maximum amount of LC safe to use [Re: psilocyanide]
    #24924379 - 01/18/18 09:42 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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You should run an experiment

I never use more than ~5 ccโ€™s, but many members pour directly from the LC jar, Iโ€™m sure that ends up being at least 10ccs probably more.

Just brainstorming but maybe you could experiment with adding some dry verm or coir after your grain prep before the PC cycle so you can add extra.




I thought of adding dry verm, but then I thought that it wouldn't sterilize if it was dry. I thought it would all need to be wet to get sterilized in the jar.




Iโ€™m pretty sure thats not how that works. the steam that is needed for the heat comes from the water in the PC. Verm is sterile enough as it is, you can add it to pasteurized sub after the pasteurization. Iโ€™m sure after 2 hours at 15 psi its clean AF.


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Re: Absolute maximum amount of LC safe to use [Re: AyePlus]
    #24924405 - 01/18/18 09:52 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

When I did LI I did like 15 to 30 ML. and thats really just a guess cause I simply poured it and spread half a pint of water between 8 to 10 jars. I know less is more because you dont wanna fuck your water content of the grains. So if you do use LI or LC its a good idea to prep your grains a bit on the dryer side as they will absorb that excess moisture. With my grain LI I used varying ranges. one had a drop of LI the other had 1 cc and then one had 5 cc. they all colonized about the same rate although the ones with more LI did colonize quicker. More inoc points = win.


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Re: Absolute maximum amount of LC safe to use [Re: Ziran]
    #24924420 - 01/18/18 09:57 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I poured 450~ml into ten jars. Waited 5 days before shake. Got 12 hour recovery time. Rye was done sbj quick prep style. 25 min vent 3 hour PC. So they were somewhat dry.

I also got yelled at for shaking right away :lol:


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Re: Absolute maximum amount of LC safe to use [Re: van hatton]
    #24924425 - 01/18/18 09:58 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

How long until full colonization?


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Re: Absolute maximum amount of LC safe to use [Re: Mateja]
    #24924427 - 01/18/18 09:59 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Waiting on that meow. Looking like 3 days after shake.


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Re: Absolute maximum amount of LC safe to use [Re: van hatton]
    #24924452 - 01/18/18 10:07 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

i wait until i see the myc recover.

for me, this does 2 things. allows me to inspect the top surface of the grains for contams(sign of poor inoculation teq)
and the second isnt so much of a long winded story as it is pointless and rambling.(slow recovering lc is a bad sign)

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Re: Absolute maximum amount of LC safe to use [Re: mushboy]
    #24924457 - 01/18/18 10:09 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid: also with shaking early your not giving the mycelium to leap to the grain. Plus it seems to dry your grains out.


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Re: Absolute maximum amount of LC safe to use [Re: van hatton]
    #24924459 - 01/18/18 10:10 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Not sure how shaking, just after inoculating with LC, dries your grains.


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Re: Absolute maximum amount of LC safe to use [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24924473 - 01/18/18 10:14 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Evaporation at a more constant rate. A pool of water won't evaporate as quick as a pool of water that sprayed out thin.

I see what you mean :lol: since my grains r drier they like the extra water. And just something I've been told then took notice of. The ones shaken 5days later look nice and plump the ones shaken directly after.. not so plump.

This also could all be wrong. I've smoked almost a gram of wax :stoned:


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Re: Absolute maximum amount of LC safe to use [Re: van hatton]
    #24924479 - 01/18/18 10:15 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I will have to look out for that.


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